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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will, but he should not, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will not, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4020 on: May 15, 2014, 11:36:35 pm »
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did you guys see the video of the ukranian's getting sniped?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4021 on: May 15, 2014, 11:39:46 pm »
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Ok, I admit, I have some informations. But let's talk about yours : Let me see... "Putin is the new Evil Axis, let's do some shit".  I think it's a pretty good résumé of your media's propaganda. Have you anything else ?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4022 on: May 16, 2014, 12:51:34 am »
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Ok, I admit, I have some informations. But let's talk about yours : Let me see... "Putin is the new Evil Axis, let's do some shit".  I think it's a pretty good résumé of your media's propaganda. Have you anything else ?

I don't think you understand. Nobody here wanted to intervene in Ukraine before and during EuroMaydan, and I still don't see where is the evidence that the western governments turned a student protest into a putsch-machine armed to the teeth. It just sort of happens that now it's a necessity to help the country not getting sudeten'ed. Georgia and Crimea are already terrible precedents for stability in the region.

Because else they are going to be instantly annexed in the next few days, WW3, communism-fascism-war-on-terror fear? You know, all the things we can read on this thread and everywhere in the free world about Russia and other baddies  :o

What are you trying to say ? Nothing happened to Ukraine ?

Or you dont link those events to whats happening with Ukraine?  :P

It seems you don't.

Everyone is forced to take a side, we must unite against UIF IRL!

It's a necessity for Russian neighbors until the expansionism stops. When I play EU4, small countries around me also tend to form coalitions pretty quick.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4023 on: May 16, 2014, 03:53:32 am »
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Today the civil war starts, the army of 30000 east protesters will atack national guard.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4024 on: May 16, 2014, 04:46:38 am »
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I don't know bout that, seems that the regular people are finally done with this farce.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/world/europe/ukraine-workers-take-to-streets-to-calm-Mariupol.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4025 on: May 16, 2014, 05:17:03 am »
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Biggest employer in Eastern Ukraine use his large working force manpower as anti-demonstrator police backed by government: a farce indeed.

Nice organisation if they manage to quell the unrest this way, but even if they win and the anti-Kiev go underground (either literally or not), the hundreds of deads arent going to be forgotten tomorrow. The divide already happened... even if Putin doesnt try to use it.

I dont see the movement dying in one day, maybe its the beginning of a new phase?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4026 on: May 16, 2014, 07:21:15 am »
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This was NATOs chance to prove they can do few shits and they blew it hard. Crimea was lost anyway, they should have sent troops and tanks into Donensk at an instant. The separatists would have layed down their arms or been severely demoralized to create further chaos and the situation could have been contained. They are brave, but they arent suicidal. Now you got these guys rising up all over Ukr cause they know Kievs troops wont be shooting at them a lot and NATO is busy picking its nose. The separatists are oldfashioned folk, from what ive gathered, u can make whatever the hell treaties u want with them, but unless u dont have fighters flying ontop of them and armor driving through their streets u wont gain their respect and nothing will stick.

And the russians advance would have surely been permanently stalled aswell.This isnt war(yet anyway). Both big players on the board dont want their troops killing eachother so it comes down to whoever drops their troops down to the area first gets it. Nobody unfortunately cares about the casualties of the ukrainians, but kill a few nato or russian troops and the shit would hit the fan bigtime to whoever is responsible. Sure russians would have been superpissed, but they are pissed now anyway. They'l just fabricate a reason to be pissed incase there isnt one.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4027 on: May 16, 2014, 07:54:49 am »
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Huh? This is none of NATO's business. Ukraine is not a member. They couldn't have sent troops there.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4028 on: May 16, 2014, 10:23:05 am »
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Huh? This is none of NATO's business. Ukraine is not a member. They couldn't have sent troops there.
And you, telling them what they could or could not do, are who? It's not unprecedented, that NATO sends in peackeepers, although in this case - it would not be a good idea, because there would be too much tension and too easy to stage provocations and similar shit.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4029 on: May 16, 2014, 10:41:04 am »
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Huh? This is none of NATO's business. Ukraine is not a member. They couldn't have sent troops there.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4030 on: May 16, 2014, 10:59:23 am »
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And you, telling them what they could or could not do, are who? It's not unprecedented, that NATO sends in peackeepers, although in this case - it would not be a good idea, because there would be too much tension and too easy to stage provocations and similar shit.
Uh... what? I'm the voice of fact and reason. Proof? NATO didn't send in troops. NATO member states would never approve just sending in troops for shits and giggles there. Which is why they didn't send in troops.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4031 on: May 16, 2014, 03:17:19 pm »
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If Ukrainian force cant "shoot too much" at them, NATO can "shoot a bit more" since they dont share blood/relative/nationality, but then you forget that they arent member of NATO (YET...) and that a "peace-keeping" foreign force would probably light more fire than there is already, and even if they manage to stop the outbreak of violence by sheer intimidation/counter-violence, there will still be many problems to deal with afterward.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4033 on: May 16, 2014, 03:36:18 pm »
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I don't know bout that, seems that the regular people are finally done with this farce.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/world/europe/ukraine-workers-take-to-streets-to-calm-Mariupol.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #4034 on: May 16, 2014, 03:40:27 pm »
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"Stop spam!" Says Butan.

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