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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will, but he should not, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will not, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1770 on: March 17, 2014, 11:51:30 pm »
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Looks like we've got another Kosovo/Monteblack in spanish. Who's next, Venetian Republic (bet cmp would vote for independence) or good old Catalonia and Baskia?

Romanian president thinks Moldavia is next russian target.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1771 on: March 18, 2014, 12:04:13 am »
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A small side note, at the start of the 2nd world war the SU has attacked Polend to protect the ukrainian minority from the evil germanz.
From evil Poles, actually, since Cookies & Commies were friends back there  :wink:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1772 on: March 18, 2014, 12:41:29 am »
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pls Kafein

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1773 on: March 18, 2014, 12:53:49 am »
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Looks like we've got another Kosovo/Monteblack in spanish. Who's next, Venetian Republic (bet cmp would vote for independence) or good old Catalonia and Baskia?

Romanian president thinks Moldavia is next russian target.
Catalonia and Scotland are both on track for next autumn already, although only one of them doing things properly, another example of the differences in common sense between Spaniards and Brits...

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1774 on: March 18, 2014, 05:10:19 am »
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Funny how people keep bringing up Iraq/Afghanistan. Pretty sure anyone who's visited doesn't give a fuck about what happens to them. Ukraine at least has real people.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1775 on: March 18, 2014, 06:02:22 am »
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Funny how people keep bringing up Iraq/Afghanistan. Pretty sure anyone who's visited doesn't give a fuck about what happens to them. Ukraine at least has real people.

Wut ? :shock:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1776 on: March 18, 2014, 07:54:01 am »
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Wut ? :shock:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1777 on: March 18, 2014, 08:20:34 am »
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In the wake of a March 16 referendum in which Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation, Ukrainian leaders refused to cede any part of the peninsula, calling on their troops to prepare for war.

“Crimea was, is, and will be our territory,” said Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh in a statement delivered at the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center on March 17.

Former heavyweight boxing champion and leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform Vitali Klitschko announced that Ukrainian troops would remain at their bases, even after March 21, the end of a peace treaty signed by the interior ministries of Ukraine and Russia.

Except the location would be Ukraine not the US
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1778 on: March 18, 2014, 08:28:42 am »
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and? there is a millions pro-eu ukranians who cant't even speak english ^^

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1779 on: March 18, 2014, 08:48:23 am »
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When west germany annexed east germany, nobody moved a finger too.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1780 on: March 18, 2014, 09:06:57 am »
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

It doesn't really get any more clear than that. Russia has legitimate reasons to protect their bases, but nothing else, by far. Hugely cowardice position to agree to a treaty for the disarmament of a neighboring country, for then to invade it 10 years later.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1781 on: March 18, 2014, 09:19:04 am »
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Even if many Westerners do not, the Russian government vividly remembers the historical context facilitating geo-strategical necessities, perceived and otherwise, for a buffer zone between it and a Germany who came very near to completely destroying Russia not long ago on its own, and now is even in the World's strongest warpact, NATO. However remote this may seem to some, government planners have to take these considerations into very serious account.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1782 on: March 18, 2014, 10:01:41 am »
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Even if many Westerners do not, the Russian government vividly remembers the historical context facilitating geo-strategical necessities, perceived and otherwise, for a buffer zone between it and a Germany who came very near to completely destroying Russia not long ago on its own, and now is even in the World's strongest warpact, NATO. However remote this may seem to some, government planners have to take these considerations into very serious account.
Yea, it actually makes kinda sense.
Before Maidan, the Ukraine paving the way into the EU, maybe even NATO at some point, must have annoyed Russia.
I start to think that some assure from the EU and the Ukraine - even written down in a contract - assuring Russia that they may enter the EU at some point but will never enter NATO, might have put Putin a lot more to rest and avoid the current conflict completely.
Afaik, no one of the EU actually talked to Russia before trying to talk the Ukraine into the EU-orientation.
When west germany annexed east germany, nobody moved a finger too.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1783 on: March 18, 2014, 11:40:23 am »
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A small side note, at the start of the 2nd world war the SU has attacked Polend to protect the ukrainian minority from the evil germanz.



Let's not get into why Germany attacked Poland, and why it attacked other 10-11 countries. And let's not get into what Germany did in Ukraine. Enough to say that poor Ukrainians and all of the other people under evil germanz genuinly needed protection. Comparing Putin's agression, and for that matter, any other agression in history with the one Germans did would be ridiculous, disrespectful to the victims, and downright stupid.

 And regarding Kaliningrad, I think that was a small price to pay to SU for 20 million dead. Wouldn't you agree?
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1784 on: March 18, 2014, 11:41:28 am »
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Looks like we've got another Kosovo/Monteblack in spanish.
Comparing Kosovo and Monteblack in spanish is the next level of retardness, even for you.
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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