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General / Re: Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

« on: May 29, 2017, 10:03:05 pm »

tl;dr all Ramses posts.

Probably calls everyone in disagreement a 'snowflake' and tries to sell his personal opinion as 'facts'.
Been there, seen it, boring.

aye thats it, don't bother with engaging with anyones argument, just invent some excuse based on one arguably true statement. Well done 

Youre just getting yourself caught in the witch hunt Ramses. Dont bother with any sort of middle ground at the moment, the 180 turn of the playerbase is really enhanced with how hyped up it got.

Yea they have been really burned. I think I said my piece, will prop leave after this last reply.

@Vibe

I'm not taking that right away, I just think you are wasting your time arguing a moot point to an echo-chamber of people who will basically agree with all you say and never challenge you.

And for the record, people do still play the game. Yesterday there was a peak amount of 39 players. How many are in this forum, circle-jerking? Molly, Heskey, Kuion, James and you Vibe. 5 people.

And for the record - yes my opinion is subjective but its based on objective factors, as such making it less influenced by the biases that everyone seems to have here.

Okam has a more complex and indepth armour/damage calculation.
Okam has more attack directions
Okam has hitboxes more closely aligned to the characters. (You have simply gotten used to the ridiculousness of WB hitboxes but not yet Okams) .
Okam doesn't have the stun of polearm overhead, severly limiting the possibility of 2v1 on a competitive level in WB.
Okams animation sweetspot are more balanced and the difference in reach is not nearly as great as in WB.

All of the above is as objective as I can make it. Now you may think my opinion that these factors make the game better is wrong, but you can hardly doubt the objective truth of these factors. Or, if you do, show me your evidence. You all seem so convinced, surely you would have backed up your claims with mountains of evidence and tests? You would not submit yourself to the possibility of being fooled by mere instinct and hurt emotions? Surely a rational, skeptical person would not let oneself dismiss a new game system because it "feels" wrong?

I have my doubts.

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General / Re: Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

« on: May 29, 2017, 04:29:14 pm »

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TLDR you're going to continue trying to flog a shit game on false pretenses no matter how many of the people who purchase the game hate it and regret their purchase. You're a real hero.

In the below analogy you're the chef of this restaurant that will be forced to close in 1 year if it doesnt get enough customers:

If any aspect of this game was objectively better, it would get a fraction of the players those other games do. Especially the games that only have multiplayer combat as their selling point. You're just sitting there telling 90% of all buyers that they dont know what real italian pizza tastes like whilst you cram raw dough down their throats.

Here you go again with half-truths and mind reading. You continue to believe that I am somehow only trying to promote the game despite both my actions (if you had bothered to research them) and my direct words. How about you stop pretending to read my mind and just listen to me for once.

I am not hoping because of blind faith to the new devs in Okam, I am hoping based on the actions, words, visions and abilities of the new devs of Okam and I have little to no hope for BL to provide what I want in a mp game based on their publications, their past game titles, their statements and their lack of advertisement for any expanded multiplayer gameplay.

When are you gonna stop mischaracterizing my views and opinions based on your own faulty assertions of the same? I do not run around, trying to drag your name through the dirt because of some perceived wrong-doing. I must have really burned you somehow and I have no idea what imaginary crime I have committed in your brain.

As to the merit of your argument, look up argumentum ad populum and you can see why you're wrong.

@Vibe You're still talking about economics, whether you call it financial feasibility or ability to make more money. That is all still economy.  I talked about promise for me as a mp game. We can continue to talk past each other all day long, or you can engage with my argument.

As for the information on both steam and the website, I've been lobbying for months for the devs to change, what have you been doing? Sitting in this forum, circle-jerking eachother on how horrible the game is? Move on or do something about it, I can't stand empty whining.

We have no idea if strategus in Okam will be a failure before we give it a try. It might be that many people have left - but I know of several others simply waiting for Okam to release strat, including many of the major clans. BL will most likely not even attempt a more persistant mp, so I'll take my chances with Okam. If it fails - so be it. Unlike what you guys think, I'm not that invested into it (I was before the DC left). But I heavily doubt any other medieval war game will ever come close to gathering my interest after this, the rest of them are garbage to me.

And aye, its my belief. But its based on objective factors, unlike most of the criticism I'm hearing from you and the people in this forum. "I've heard from several players" - is not objective at all. Also, if I'm wrong about these objective factors, I'm willing to change my belief. Can you truly claim the same? If so, challenge me on the objective side of the game and lets see if you have thought out or examined the roots of your beliefs.

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General / Re: Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

« on: May 28, 2017, 08:41:12 pm »

Ramses do you still need that banner?

nope, new clan . Thanks for asking anyway ;).

So after being away for two days there's now a page full of angry cRPG'ers cussing me out as delusional, idiotic and without any sense of reality. Boy your snowflakes feelings have really been touched haven't they?

If you would take a tenth of the time you used to tell me how stupid you think I am and instead tried to understand my point, we would have a far better and more informed discussion. But I suppose hating on random people because your feelings have been hurt over a video game you somehow fell attached makes you better inside. I'm glad I helped.

I could spend an hour debunking almost everything of what was said, but since most of you have so grossly misunderstood my point I'll just clarify it:

1. Okam holds more promise.

If you had even attempted to use a miniscule amount of time to understand my position, I did not speak of Okam economical promise - clearly BL is much more established and is much more hyped, I don't expect for a second Okam to make more money.

What it does do is it holds more promise for me. Take an objective look at BL and what they've shown through trailers, articles and interviews.

Its WB with nicer graphics and enhanced sp. That's it.

And while I am looking forward to playing BL sp and having good times with it, I'm also thoroughly disappointed. We've heard nothing of Co-op, nothing of expanded mp. I'm confident at this moment that multiplayer in BL will be like multiplayer in WB: get online and smack a few heads. Then leave when bored. Repeat.

There is NOTHING persistent about that and it gets incredibly boring after a short while. I don't see myself ever enjoying much of BL mp.

OKAM however is only mp and focused as such. Especially the strategic map (basically strat v2) is much, much, MUCH more promising to me than BL mp ever could be.

That is what I mean when I say OKAM holds more promise. Its holds more promise to me as a mp game. DOes that mean I have blind faith in the new devs? Of course not. But their vision of a game is infinitely better than Bannerlord, Warband, For Hounour, Chivalry and all the rest of the garbage medieval war games have. I'll take a fools hope over nothing at all.

2. Objectively, Okam has better combat mechanics.

A couple of reasons:
1. More realistic and in-depth armor and damage system.
2. Hitboxes better.
3. No random crushthrough (on weapons like polearms).
4. More attack directions.
5. Better animations.

Some of the above might be my opinion and therefore subjective, but it is bassed on objective, provable factors and I dare any one of you to find me an area and PROVE that WB is superior to Okam in the aforementioned 5 categories. Go on, prove me you believe what you say. 

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General / Re: Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

« on: May 26, 2017, 08:52:42 am »

If you skim through the reviews you'll notice how the negative reviews has almost nothing to do with the combat mechanics nor vision of Okam. It has far more to do with people believing they've been scammed and that the game is "dead". Nice strawman though.

Molly was the one to introduce objective standards and my opinion on the matter is clear: If you try to look at it objectively (hard I know), Okam has better combat mechanics and holds more promise.

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General / Re: Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

« on: May 26, 2017, 08:15:33 am »

Your opinion of it being shit is nothing but an opinion.

My opinion is the Okam has objectively better combat mechanics than WB and is more promising than Bannerlord right now.

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General / Re: Donkey team no longer developing M:BG / OKAM

« on: May 26, 2017, 01:06:31 am »

I shit you not they added a population meter to the game that lists population as medium when there are 7 people online.

Ah so this is where you got this information Heskey. "Reliable source" pff.

Anyway, don't let me spoil the mood. Happy hating.

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Suggestions Corner / Re: dual wielding

« on: December 23, 2013, 02:57:36 pm »

This guy makes it clear that duel wielding is definitely evident in history, but it was not used as a battlefield set-up.

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General Discussion / Re: This weekend will be a glorious one

« on: December 20, 2013, 11:32:28 am »

And here I am with my level 35 main which will never reach 36 as my Strat character, instead of any of my 3 level 31+ characters. All that xp potential is useless for me.

Same 

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Unban Essays / Re: Unbay essay: "Why is leeching bad for me and my team? "

« on: November 14, 2013, 09:54:21 pm »

Just a little something to add so you can learn for next time.

Having a bad k/d in a strat battle isn't against the rule... but when you get asked multiple time by the guys who hired you for the battle to stop ramboing and you don't listen. He his in is right to ask an admin to remove you from his fight.

That specififc ban was of 30min (time for the battle to finish)

But considering your past history on the EU server, you should have known better. 

Wait what? Are you saying I can get a player banned for disobeying orders?

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Hey Dach btw 

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Diplomacy / Re: Queen Margarete of Kalmar visiting Reindi Castle

« on: November 07, 2013, 02:29:56 pm »

Congratz on finally taking the castle!

Shouldn't it be "Længe leve Dronningen" since she was Danish and, IIRC, the Kalmar union's court language of choice was Danish?

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Strategus Issues / Re: Strategus time

« on: October 31, 2013, 11:46:44 pm »

You need to set your own timeset. Go to c-rpg.net, look in the top at settings, then regional.

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Diplomacy / Re: attacked by cowardly Brootherhood

« on: October 31, 2013, 12:11:44 pm »

You betrayed The Wolves by not attacking the Apostates when they broke alliance and attacked us the first time.

Then to top it all off when peace was forced on the opposing parties you say that you'l attack whoever breaks the peace this time.

Then you betray the Apostates by letting them get wiped.

You people needed the Wolves (CFA?), The Apostates, yourselves and the Temps to beat the GO who were semi active. By throwing away your  "friends" (we'l call it that) you forced a defensive  war on your selves that you will lose when the 1/3d rule is removed.
(I wonder how good your grinding troops will go when you're getting hit 10x a day)

I made this small for your small attention spans.

Just like Kinngrimm, you conveniently miss the point and start talking about something completely different.

I say again, the notion was:

Did Kinngrimm backstab the Coalition?

You've said nothing to me about this point, so I would kindly ask you to go and make another thread or send me a pm about it. You're also welcome to come to my TS so we can talk it out, and we can both be enlightened.

As to what you're saying, I'll make a quick reply and then leave it to the rest of my coalition fellows to answer more thoroughly if need be.

You betrayed The Wolves by not attacking the Apostates when they broke alliance and attacked us the first time.

How can we betray the Wolves when we never had an alliance with them?

Then to top it all off when peace was forced on the opposing parties you say that you'l attack whoever breaks the peace this time.

Then you betray the Apostates by letting them get wiped.

These two points join together. Looks like you forgot that we did send armies to the north to help the Apostates.

You people needed the Wolves (CFA?), The Apostates, yourselves and the Temps to beat the GO who were semi active. By throwing away your  "friends" (we'l call it that) you forced a defensive  war on your selves that you will lose when the 1/3d rule is removed.
(I wonder how good your grinding troops will go when you're getting hit 10x a day)

This is just lies, there's really no need for me to answer this. I direct to the previous threads about these subjects. Read them and change your points, because they are nothing but baseless statements, (hopefully) born from ignorance.

I made this small for your small attention spans.

In short: Get your facts straight.

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Diplomacy / Re: attacked by cowardly Brootherhood

« on: October 31, 2013, 10:39:35 am »

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i waited for this so now again for a 100th time.

1) Strat 2.0
i had collected bad impressions at the Start of 2.0 from Fallen, Byzantium and Risen, from arrogant to douchbags, when it came to cooperation requests. Resume: Small clans arent worth jack shit(we have had 15-20 members back then and we were thrilled to join the first time Strategus, if we only had known ^^)

In the end of that round i believed partly the propaganda parols by Mercs about Fallen being responsable for most of the problems we have had in the center. (After talking with Rogue in 4.0, i came meanwhile to some more differentiated conclusions)

2) Strat 3.0
In the beginning i told Byzantium Ujin, Nord Okin, Merc Nocti and Ginger aswell Kapikulu BattleGazi i would start in the desert.

I told even more about my plans to Okin, Ginger and Nocti.
Like:
- The exact starting positions
- the clans who are already willing to join the Desert Alliance
- the targets Fallen/HRE/GK we would aim for

At map start, i was surprised that those who either didn't mention or said they would be somewhere else,
turned out to be in the desert, while neglecting, NAP, Defense Pact or Alliance, but using up space i had communicated towards them earlier we would claim.(that already is a betrayel of trust you could argue)

Ujin appologized and said he had forgotten, which i accepted.
Okin just claimed a part of the desert and made in IRC public "whoever is for Fallen, needs to fight the Wolves in the desert" by that it was pretty clear the Desert Alliance had Nords opposing them in the Desert.  So we waged war against Nords. (another betrayel ? i was befor that strat already for motnhs regular on Nrod ts palying with the guys there and really wanted to make an allaicne with them, but Okin was just like, no we are neutral, which wouldnt have been that bad, if he wouldnt have used up space i told him we would be ther eand you know the part about telling everyone our intentions, after that and other similar occations i at some point gave up on that dude, eat a bag of dicks)

Meanwhile Mercs were disappointed, that their former Contract Partner(even as we became pretty close in strat 2.0 it was always made clear to me, we have a contract not an alliance.); Then there was that skype screenshot which was leacked to me about "Wolves being Mercs bitches" , which was still quite funny form their point of view; Then there i was witness how they also were able to majorly fuck up diplomatic relatiosn when i was in the Union meeting and Ginger basicly showed Union leadership the middlefinger by implying that Union would lie to them about a agreement about a village claim. After accusing the leader he would lie the situation wasnt slavagable anymore and in strat 4.0 we saw the final outcome which to my beleive started with that accusation
would not join them again to help hold the center of the map. In strat 2.0 i witnessed some more things which made me choose a different path in 3.0, there i will say no more, never had.

After 2 weeks of war against Nords, it became pretty obvious that they would be supported by someone else.
Wolves had at that time already 70(at the end 120 + 20 free agents), Crusaders 90(later 110 if i remember correctly) members on the map , + French Conenction 20 + Camel Screamers 10, + CotgS 15, if you also count our NA Allies, Hospitallers with 60 at start Occitan with 40 and Lost Legion with around 10.
Nords had at roughly at start 30 at the end of the war around 40, at end of that map 70 in strat 4.0 more members.

We have had from day 1 a trade agreement with Grey Order, and a NAP with DRZ. That was pretty much the diploamcy towards UIF. We the Desert Allaince back in the day intended to be the 3rd powerblock or replace one of the others.

Now to that socalled betrayel. As already known by now, the Desert Allainces targets, parnters and locations,
i was from day 1 till about 1 to 2 motnhs into the game when this peace meeting was, regularly approached.
By MArktplatz, by BattleGazo, by Ujin, by several Mercs, all pretty much with the same message to me.
Come on make peace with Nords, jsut grab the areas of Templars and march with us together against DRZ.
That was the refrain.

As we then were in a stalement with Nords, who got resupplied as i was later also confired, at that time but only suspected, by Byzantium, Kapikulu and HRE, which held that war artificialy alife, there i was one evening invited to an "Alliance" meeting.
I was currious, why i would be invited to an Alliance meeting and who else would be there, as i wasnt part of their alliance ^^.
So i went there and heared again the refrain, but this time with more force and more voices at the same time, besides those i mentioned befor, there also had been Fallen and Nords in ts. Nords came a bit later, as the others first needed to work me. After a while i got upset, but kept my cool. I told them, "i couldnt just leave my alliance partner alone"; "but perhaps templars would wanna join in, if i may colect alpha and ask him about that too". Silcene .. .then i believe Ujin said "that would be even better"(remember Ujin always ranting about numbers ...)

Anyhow, i went back to my ts and chatted with alpha in steam and he came by and we taked, first he was like "wtf"
then he became aware that i was really pissed at those bastards and he figured, "we are not doing that for real" ... silence ... gigling like little kids ... "nope we wont". There the ruse was born.

Now if anyone should have known by then, it should have been Mercs. In strat 2,0, FCC/BRD Matey, tried to bribe me and make me brake my word over a period of 3 months. Partly it was quite funny what he tried and we chatted then quite often, partly i was annyoed and sick to my stomach afterwards. Every*fucking*time he tried, i told Mercs about it, "Yo guess who wrote me again ^^" ; "Ah matey tried again ^^". So Mercs should really have known, and when you would for a moment concider that what i told so far is as close to the truth as subectivly possible(surly out of my perspective but everything is subjectiv after all)
Then you would acknowledge that noone really would have believed, which Loki also stated later, that "we are all in",  pressed into that "unholy Alliance" alpha and other memebrs of the Desert Allaince called it since then.
Anotehr missconception but not fro mthe euros but the NA guys, they beleived we first afterwards took Hospitallers in, but Hospitallers who i first made contact to through after i saw how they were teh only once realyl making an effort defending shit in 2.0 of the Nrother Alliance, they wer full allaince partners all the way and got from tiem to time resupplies, as their numbers were slightly smaller but formost they havent had a good channel for trade. We took over Hospitaller goods and swapped them with Grey Order at the beginning, later Union made sepparated deals with Hospitallers and Occitan(DRZ?).

Some may have not seen the big picture, but at least 60% of those parties at the table of these 2 unholy alliance meetings were aware, everythign afterwards the flamewar and the hate mails and endless topics and pages of propaganda was just frustration that they didnt finished us of when they though they had a chance, but made peace in hope for us chaning our minds. Also i didnt get any information i didnt already knew about. AS said i have had upto 20 guys without clan tag on scouting duty, most boring job ever, but they filled in information regularly in our forum where they would have accesss.

After all it was not possible for me , to change my mind, i was not only leader of my clan, but sort of leader of an international, transcontinantel alliance of 340 to upto roughly 420 players. We had agreements from the beginning, as i have ahd them with Mercs in 2.0. I sticked to these agreements. I didnt only plan for strat 3.0 but also towards 4.0, finding clans and leaders we would get along with so a prolonged cooperation would be possible.


So yes i did make a ruse in a timeline of 2 weeks and then we lifted the shadows again.

Strat 4.0
Chris, Nogo, Austriano, Kalikado(former Wolf), Lance and the other Bros, worked together with me for over half a year, we did come to know each other quite well in taht time and i allways told them about the big picture, and that things need a lot of patience and time. I set them up with first one, then 2 villages, we helped them to get Hrus castle and 2 villages there. When they joined in with Risen, i warned him, as Risen has had not a good track record within this very strategus, they wouldnt listen. I told him befor they made Steel Axis, that they wouldnt ahve 4 but 3 fiefs, they would need to give away one of those fiefs again, he didnt liked that. He didnt like that i asked him to relocate to Yruma, he could have said no but he didnt, I could have lived with a no, but instead he started at some point lieing, braking the trust. Some have suggested to me, Bros had been a plant fro mteh beginning by Mercs, i didnt believe that. Im my believe you first need to give trust, then people will give you trust in return and yes sometimes you can miss a nuance or in this case dint want to believe they would go behind my back ... was i naiv.

O nthe other hand, BlackFist had started out as vasals as did Bros, when BlackFist cancled the vassalage, i tried to the best of my abilites to also help establshing them afterwards on the map, mostly i was asked a whole in my brain  , in the beginning by Heskeytime then by LeMikz. So doing indepandancy was not a big deal, that option but for Bros was not enough, they needed to declare war ... because i have been so bad to them ... yeah sure .... no because it was clear from the beginning if you leave the CFA you leave the CFA fiefs behind ... It would ahve been more honest just to stay in Hrus castle and declare yourself neutral ... but Yruma castel has had soem other advantages i guess ...

These two situations no_rules_just_play are so different on so many levels, that simplfying it in the sense of it would be the same ....  that is just mindboggling wrong.
  thanks man and congratz to Fisdnar. After a too long exile you have finnally returned to your rightful heritage.

Kinngrimm, nobody asked for your novel about strategus
    The point gets lost in this massive wall of text.

Lets get back to the initial point that No_Rules made and focus on just that.

I remember you backstabbing the coalition yourself a while back.

So the notion is:


Did Kinngrimm backstab the Coalition?

So i went there and heared again the refrain, but this time with more force and more voices at the same time, besides those i mentioned befor, there also had been Fallen and Nords in ts. Nords came a bit later, as the others first needed to work me. After a while i got upset, but kept my cool. I told them, "i couldnt just leave my alliance partner alone"; "but perhaps templars would wanna join in, if i may colect alpha and ask him about that too". Silcene .. .then i believe Ujin said "that would be even better"(remember Ujin always ranting about numbers ...)

Anyhow, i went back to my ts and chatted with alpha in steam and he came by and we taked, first he was like "wtf"
then he became aware that i was really pissed at those bastards and he figured, "we are not doing that for real" ... silence ... gigling like little kids ... "nope we wont". There the ruse was born.

This bit is the only thing I find really relevant. So to summarize the course of events:

• You come to TS to speak for your alliance in a large TS meeting between many clans.
• You agree to join the larger alliance after asking your allies first. (I remember your exact words: "I'll just need to talk with my guys"(Guys meaning alliance))
• You plot a backstab with Alpha afterwards.
• You backstab.

The further details of your backstab makes also makes this betrayal extraordinarily rotten, but I can't even believe that you as much as attempt to deny that you backstabbed us all, the Coalition, the alliance, everyone. How can there be as much as a simple doubt in this matter? I respect you as a player, and I respect your intelligence Kinngrimm, but I certainly don't respect this unhinged disregard for other people, who put their faith and trust in you. I'm well aware its a game, and I'm not taking things too seriously, but the amount of lying and backstabbing you did in those two weeks will never make me fully trust you again.

I'm even supposed to be in the "Evil" clan of the two of us, and I, nor any of the people in my clan, would allow ourselves to lie and cheat so much behind peoples back, even in a game.


And now to the real hypocrisy: You even have the balls to be mad about others being traitors to you! You accuse the Brotherhood of being "Cowardly backstabbers" when you've done the exact same thing to at least as big a scale. As I've mentioned before, you're an intelligent man, so I am simply baffled that you allow yourself this false virtue.

So please, enlighten me on this matter (And only this).

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Strategus General Discussion / Re: Battles postponed by 24h

« on: October 29, 2013, 09:37:02 pm »

Thanks for notifying us publicly.

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General Discussion / Re: Don't forget to set your new time on the website !

« on: October 29, 2013, 04:04:48 pm »

Why is it even called 'day light saving'? Clearly it is doing the opposite...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4