I'm not talking about the reactions just from turks, I'm talking about the reaction from europeans. Do you think a bunch of white dutch kids burning a turkish flag would've been met with "oh lol it's just some dumb yuffs, it's not important", or screeds about the awful rise of european populism and how dangerous and disgusting it is?
Even if you don't identify with something as plebeian as a flag, guess what, other people in the world will use it as a shorthand for many things you DO care about. It's not just a piece of cloth they're burning, it's everything they hate about the West.
Oberyn, Panos & Reyiz riding under the same flag....... :?
Everyone saw this already, meme died, but no let's make a thread in general discussion because Turks are dumb
shit tier thread tbh
Is someone trying to breathe life back into this forum?
The pathologically American amongst you may care a ton about your flag, salute it, caress it + pledge allegiance to it every day. In which case Turks burning the wrong flag should be hilarious, it's not the flag you care so much about.
Or you may see it as a symbolic gesture regardless of whether they're smart enough to get the correct flag. In which case I have to wonder why the Turks went to all the effort of getting a flag in the first place, couldn't they just burn an A4 sheet of paper and say "it's your flag" then the exact same demographic can be exactly as pissed off about it ('grrr, they declare war on our way of life by burning something that isnt what they think it is') whilst the Turks save a pretty penny in the process. Everybody wins.
Poor show indeed, I could do a way better job than this. Where's the professional pride in idiots these days? I demand to speak to their PR manager, I know the media will do 90% of the work for you these days but even so you need to give them *something* to work with.
Let's see, in a thread started by a Greek about Turks burning a French flag because they were mad at the Netherlands in which most of the posters are non-American Heskey takes the obligatory, gratuitous swipe at Americans. That's true pathology. What a cock.He's right tho...
Everyone saw this already, meme died, but no let's make a thread in general discussion because Turks are dumb
shit tier thread tbh
calm down please don't burn my flag
Here take this Kratos and burn down his flag
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ayy lmao
fucking roaches
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bannana looking pootie
sry im just sick of this dutch chocolate chip cookie fascists racism, he was saying lots of racist things to me on steam like fat american, go eat mcdonalds etc. he should be perma banned.
Erdogan is right, these dutch naaaziiiss need to be stopped before they invent the flying 2 seat bicycle.
fat cunt die already
It's funny to see how the ones with the most prejudices towards strangers react strongest against people with strong prejudices against strangers.
Turks who did this are supporting Erdogan while living off EU welfare checks. Reason why they support Erdogan is to make life more miserable for Turks who actually live in Turkey.
I'm 31 today and strongly believe that expatriates tend to be shit people.
could you point me to the socialist/ communist countries in europe?
I don't know what is there to do now. Fix country by elections? Doesn't seem doable. Find job in the west and leave country? Never would lose your identity especially as a Turk. It is pretty much screwed up in all possible outcomes, sad times we are living in.
Being Turk, supporting Fenerbahçe, studying engineering, sounds like a cancer triangle to me tbh.
i thought all yuropoors was living on welfare checks, isnt that what socialism/communism is all about?
fascism won in the end and replaced socialism in former communist countries
welfare still exist in the north where you pay 50% income tax to fund public schools, hospital, aid for those in need
in the corrupted south no one pays taxes because it gets stolen and never invested into welfare
recently they are forcing us to pay by sending state goons to confiscate anything valuable they can find
next set of laws will remove unemployment aid completely, basically 'murica but with 80% unemployment rate (official data says 13% lol) and 300$ average monthly salary
the more i think about it, sounds exactly like african country :mrgreen:
edit: read on Ukraine situation, to see all creative ways to steal money from the poor
now i have to admit this, i'm actually cool with certain aspects of fascism. do not value freedom as most of americans do and i'm fine with lack of understanding from society for certain behaviors that aren't considered the norm. fully support nazi ideal of man, honest, hardworking, decent looking, behaving properly. have zero complains there. but scary part of it i do not support and that is exactly where socialism kicks in to help the less fortunate, by birth or because of bad circumstances.
Whether it is important or not that just a piece of cloth burned is the major difference between us to be honest. Not just Erdogan supporters, but 99 percent of Turkey would go apeshit if somewhere else they did the same ritual but with the Turkish flag burning. Faith is strong both in Islamists and Kemalists and both are far from reality. Delusions and dogmas are the main reasons why we have this turmoil since even before the Republic was founded. It wasn't any different when lefties held the power as coalitions, it was the Islamists who suffered, who got exiled to god forsaken villages in Erzurum. It is one of the reasons why Erdogan's supporters are binary programmed, they feel like they will lose their rights to wear scarfs or go to mosques if they were a minority.
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Do you believe that a majoritiy of turkish citizens are of nationalist nature? Could you define an optimal state in which most would feel fine? As in "how could a turkish state be, in which most turks would feel well" and how would the relations of that state be to other nations?
I ate ice cream yesterday and strongly believe aliens visited George W. Bush and told him to attack Iraq.
I'm 31 today and strongly believe that expatriates tend to be shit people.
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What do you feel about the current situation?
JR: You know, I've no wish to join the big group of intellectuals who spend their time debating immigration… I have the impression that these talks serve no purpose. The people already know it all, intuitively: that France, as our ancestors fashioned it centuries ago, is disappearing. And that we keep the gallery amused by talking ceaselessly of immigration without ever saying the final truth. A truth that is moreover unsayable, as my friend Jean Cau noted, because whoever says it is immediately hounded, condemned then rejected. Richard Millet came close to it, look what happened to him!
Is the seriousness of the problem being kept from the French people?
JR: Yes. Starting with the politicians in charge first of all! Publicly "everything's going well, Madame Marquessa". But behind closed doors, they acknowledge that "yes, you're right: there is a real problem". I have several edifying letters on this subject from prominent leftist politicians, from those on the right too, to whom I sent the Camp of the Saints. "But you understand: we can't say it ..." These people have a double language, a double conscience. I don't know how they do it! I think the distress comes from there: the people know that things are being hidden from them. Today, tens of millions of people don't buy into the official discourse on immigration. Not one of them believes that it is an opportunity for France "une chance pour la France". Because reality imposes itself on them, every day. All of these ideas boil in their heads and don't come out.
You don't believe it's possible to assimilate the foreigners welcomed into France?
JR: No. The model of integration isn't working. Even if a few more illegals are escorted to the border and we succeed in integrating foreigners a bit more than today, their numbers will not stop growing and that will change nothing in the fundamental problem: the progressive invasion of France and Europe by a numberless third-world. I'm not a prophet, but you see clearly the fragility of these countries, where an unbearable poverty is established and grows ceaselessly alongside indecent wealth. Those people don't turn to their governments to protest. They expect nothing of them.
They turn to us and arrive in Europe in boats, ever more numerous, today in Lampedusa, tomorrow elsewhere. Nothing discourages them. And thanks to the demography game, by the 2050s, there will be as many young indigenous French as there are young foreigners in France.
Many will be naturalised.
Which doesn't mean they'll have become French. I don't say these are bad people, but "naturalisations on paper" aren't naturalisations of the heart. I cannot consider them my compatriots. We need to drastically toughen the law, as a matter of urgency.
How can Europe deal with these migrations?
JR: There are only two solutions. Either we accommodate them and France - its culture, its civilisation — will be erased without even a funeral. In my view, that's what's going to happen. Or we don't accommodate them at all - that means stop sacralising the Other and rediscover your neighbour, that means those next to you. Which means that we stop giving a damn sometime about these "Christian ideas gone mad", as Chesterton said, or these depraved human rights, and that we take the indispensable measures to distance ourselves, without appeal, to avoid the dissolution of our country into a general métissage [literally race-mixing but used as a sort of equivalent of the English diversity]. I don't see any other solution. I travelled a lot in my youth. All peoples are fascinating but when you mix them too much, it is much more animosity that develops than sympathy. Métissage is never peaceful. It is a dangerous utopia. Look at South Africa!
At the point where we are now, the measures we would have to take would necessarily be very coercive. I don't believe it will happen and I don't see anyone who has the courage to do it. They would need to put their soul in the balance, but who is ready for that? That said, I don't believe for an instant that the supporters of immigration are more charitable than me: there probably isn't a single one of them who intends to welcome one of these unfortunates into his home... all of that's just an emotional pretence, an irresponsible maelstrom that will engulf us.
Is there therefore no solution other than submission or coercion?
JR: There could perhaps be one, but it will only have one chance: isolates where a population that is ethnically and culturally threatened by other communitarianisms could find refuge. Besides, it's already happening: we can see already that the French "de souche" [indigenous] are fleeing the so-called "sensitive" districts. The demonstrations against homosexual marriage are also a form of communitarianism: they testify to the rejection by millions of French people to the "change of civilisations" promised by the Left and by Christiane Taubira. Today, everyone condemns communitarianism, but it could be a solution, at least temporarily. These opposed communitarianisms will reinforce themselves mutually by the animosity they will convey and that will end, finally, in extremely severe confrontations. Even if we don't need to wish that adversity occurs.
You don't believe in a sudden new beginning, as has occurred many times in the history of France?
JR: No. It would require an epic spirit, an appreciation of an elevated destiny for a sudden new beginning to be possible in France. It would require people to still believe in their country. I don't see many of them left. At least reforming from top to bottom the national education system and the audio-visual media, taking away the platform from the teachers and the journalists who are participating in the disinformation... We have desacralised the idea of the nation, the exercise of power, the past of the country. We have put cracks in the statue of France, we have disfigured it (expecially the Left!) to the point where nothing inspires respect any more. The power of the false ideas disseminated by the national education system and the media is boundless. But as for me, I have lived in France for 1500 years, I'm OK with what is mine, and I've no desire for it to change...
Jean Reno?Who?
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All these walls of text by Oberyn and Heskeytime about nationalism/religion... it's just like old times... I'm home....
Now all we need is you disagreeing with everyone and getting into arguments that go nowhere : )
Now all we need is you disagreeing with everyone and getting into arguments that go nowhere : )I've spent the interim meditating with the monks of Timbuktu, discovering and then rediscovering myself; I'm a changed man.
All these walls of text by Oberyn and Heskeytime about nationalism/religion... it's just like old times... I'm home....
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But national trends like these mean nothing to the individual or the town or the county. In your town every single 18-29 yr-old could still comfortably fit within the 37% of their demographic that voted Trump. Threads like these exist to be derailed, OP was good for a chuckle but there's really nowhere to go with it.
Here's where I try to tenuously bring this back to the discussion. When someone talks about preserving their country's culture, at least 50% of your own country is guaranteed to disagree with you even over what exactly that culture is or should be. Get rid of these "Christian ideas gone mad", but wasn't most of the west very strongly Christian until the last 100 years? So you want to save your 'culture' (which is entirely subjective), but not the culture you had over the last thousand+ years, only the bits you personally want. A claim like 'we'll lose our culture'... you think you'll ever reach a time where 100% of a country will agree 'yep, it's dead' or 100% will ever agree 'yes, our culture's in a really good place right now' even if no one ever migrated to your country ever? It's a non-argument, one that you cant measure or prove since it's how one person has idealised one country in their own mind, in a way they've probably never experienced. And guess what, a country has a lot of people in it and each person has their own idea of what their 'culture' is. Any discussion of 'saving your culture' will be in direct opposition to the half of your country that disagrees, trying to 'save' them against their will, and they will *not* appreciate being 'saved' in such a way.
Erm, that's exactly what national trends do show. They show majorities.
If the stats from an election show 37% of 18-29yr olds voted Trump, then a majority of 'youth' share my 'self-destructive' ideology. But means nothing to the individual, it doesn't prescribe for example that *all* 18-29yr olds are anti-Trump, but it does tell you what the majority think in that bracket - sorry to shit on your narrative. You may choose to ignore the stats that don't fit your narrative, stick your head in the sand and still pretend this is the winds of change because 37% of young people in America might think like you, but to claim it's the majority is where you fucked up your argument.
You seem to have a problem separating the individuals from the stats, since you pluck the idea that a majority of young people share your values out of thin air in the face of stats showing that the majority of young people don't share yours. Gut feeling?
Your perspective on democracy is that you are happy to ignore what the actual majority of people think, ignore all the numbers, and focus purely on what your gut feeling tells you. You want to believe that the young generation are rising up against liberalism, sure, just ignore all the real-world data that tells you you're dreaming. You're the type of person that sees a single coin-flip land on heads and gets all excited about this long foretold 'heads' uprising, the end of all tails, no coins will ever land on tails ever again because you've seen with your own eyes that all coin flips... oh... the next one was tails. Oh, Trump won the election, that means everyone's going conservative forever. Oh, some Turks burn a flag, that means all Turks hate the west forever.
Modern secular liberalism is just the logical evolution of Enlightenment and Christian values. Its very firmly rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Modern secular liberalism is just the logical evolution of Enlightenment and Christian values. Its very firmly rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Majority of youth indeed don't vote. You acknowledge this but still think that democracy is working perfectly?Yup, because it's the same in every single democracy and isn't due to external factors. Young people don't vote because they're young, news at 11. They don't project themselves into the future as much, have a tendency to live in the moment, and frankly don't give a shit about politics most of the time and have better things to do. You have to be relatively fanatical to give a shit about politics when you're young in this modern day and age. Back when there was the draft it was literally a matter of your own survival to keep abrest of political developments. Now the stakes are more nuanced and the consequences much less immediate.
Better try to base our understanding of what people want based on what actual data we have, than take your mantle of self-appointed soothsayer of doom who reads the mystical portents that no one else
That's not all that out there, it's pretty well documented that this is the case. It's not just a one-off that the generation of '56 were born conservative and happen to be old now, people who are young now will become more conservative in their later years.
If that's the narrative you want to ascribe to. Western thought is shaped and defined by the Christian values, liberalism isn't an exception. I would argue we get the core teachings down better than the right, making it into a practical ethical system(while simultaneously trying to create an alternative system out of it) rather while opting out of the negative, harmful details and silly, overly-literal interpretations.
I don't think Christianity is a negative aspect of western culture, its a very nice, religious religion for very nice, religious religion people.
Have you just become self-aware? Or do you think you're describing someone that isn't you?
Jokes on you tho Heskey the French are the one true nation appointed by God. Typical english denying us our divinity. Go form a seperate church to divorce your wives why don't you
Well they're not ready for it(indoctrination takes time), give them a generation or two and they'll come around and be enlightened and join us in creating a secular, multicultural utopia.
Wow, really struck a nerve with my 'subjective' view that France as you understand it wasnt around 900 years ago. What was I thinking?
This isnt some social construct argument like your definition of culture that you still cant put into words. Again i'll repeat it real slow, why is the nation of France as it existed 1700-19XX the one true version of your people? Why's it on a pedestal? Why cant things change (apart from all the hundreds, of thousands, of fucking things that had to change in order for France 1700 to exist as it did, those were all natural ofc)?
It's not my fault that 'French culture' in the Gospel according to Oberyn is pathetically weak and utterly shite. You sit there quivering that the evil pakis with their big strong penises and big strong culture will turn up as what, 10% of your population, and just tear the weak pathetic sniveling little culture of the 90% into pieces? That's some great culture right there, really worth saving. It's obvious why you're so defensive, whatever you think your own culture is, you know it's garbage that can't stand even a dozen big strong Africans saying prayers without suddenly turning in New Syria overnight. Not knowing what you think your culture is, if you're a product of that culture i'm inclined to believe with you. Weak as fuck.
Blobby, mon cher vieil ami ... Je suis désolé, je dois être le seul à vous le casser, mais ... vous semblez être complètement fou ... totalement dérangé .....
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... mais pour le moment vous semblez plus comme ceci:(click to show/hide)
Je m'inquiète pour toi.
[...] Not the the ideologies, not the various philosophers and political events, not the elaboretely carved system of checks and balances and laws[...] and massive immigration.FTFY
Yeah, totallllly crazy, man. Responding to these people is like putting pearls before swine. It sounds like a demented conspiracy theory when I rant about the postmodernists and their hold on modern day leftist politics, but that's only because you're deeply, deeply ignorant. I'm just going to start putting youtube vids of more eloquent people saying exactly the same thing, maybe that will pierce through the veil of idiocy.
https://youtu.be/aDRgMUoEvcg?t=1070
It's long and timestamped to when he starts talking about the post-modernists, but it's worth listening to the entire thing. These are the "uneducated" plebs you have so much loathing for Heskey, the mysterious figments of my imagination who are the only people sharing my perspective.
FTFY
Melting pot and all that...
Dehumanizing people and saying "that culture is shitty and won't integrate and is incompatible with us" is literally the same shit people say with every wave of immigration and its always just retarded moral panic. The dominate culture always survives and the scary brown people assimilate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXN6p58BMg
17 year old girl get publically shamed by muslim "moderates" and is forced into a tearful online apology for daring to shame her people and culture, because she was twerking in a public place while wearing a hijab. These are the wonderful immigrants that are totally English and have as much right to the identity as anyone else and were born and raised in the UK. I'm sure post-modernist Heskey will come to explain to these woeful barbarians that their culture is a mirage that means nothing. Of course that might present some sort of actual danger, so it probably won't happen. It's much easier to rant against a culture that accepts parasitical viruses who self-avowedly want to destroy it, you might get insulted on twitter at worst, probably get PTSD from it, poor little dear.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/1-500-acid-attacks-recorded-165918301.html
"1,500 acid attacks have been recorded in London since 2011"
"Last year alone, there were 431 such acid attacks – a rise of 170 cases from the year prior."
"Acid attacks in London boroughs
Newham so disproportionately represented, gee, I have NO FUCKING IDEA what the common thread could possibly be.
Tbh Blobby I don't give a fuck about your or Heskey's political views and discussions but I'm counting on you to join the crusade against the shitty Kremschnitters once it's proclaimed and I'd prefer you not to be mentally ill at that point. Pull yourself together, man. How will you abuse your horse and make shish-kebabs out of those imbecilic leprechaun fuckers in this state of mind ?
Tbh Blobby I don't give a fuck about your or Heskey's political views and discussions but I'm counting on you to join the crusade against the shitty Kremschnitters once it's proclaimed and I'd prefer you not to be mentally ill at that point. Pull yourself together, man. How will you abuse your horse and make shish-kebabs out of those imbecilic leprechaun fuckers in this state of mind ?
"Or you can just forget about the whole "meaning" thing. You can wander through life doing whatever you want gratifying impulsive desires, for how useful that's going to be. You're stuck in meaninglesness but you don't have any responsability."
Yeah don't give a single fuck about the underlying reality of life or human nature or the various ideological forces shapping our societies and our collective futures or trying to understand any of it. I know, I know, lol it's just the internets right, just a couple of autists screaming at each other and into the void. Don't try to read or think about it, it's of absolutely no interest. And I'm the irrational one.
In the end its just a social construct who cares
I haven't been reading the posts in this thread for a while but please everyone take this meme and apply it to yourselves.
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Such a shame,
Today was going to be Saint Patrick's Day and I was going to mark the day in the traditional manner.
But then I remembered that Oberyn's culture was under attack and is dead now, so I guess I cant. The 17th March has been replaced and is now actually 'Saint Drive your Truck into a Crowd' day, it's totally an official day enforced by feeble... no... EXTREME liberal politicians. It's political correctness gone mad!Birmingham holds the largest St Patrick's Day parade in Britain with a city centre parade[53] over a two-mile (3 km) route through the city centre. The organisers describe it as the third biggest parade in the world after Dublin and New YorkLiberal lies! Everyone knows that Birmingham is a muslim-only zone and would never celebrate the Irish culture.
Its a part of cultural enrichment program
Its a part of cultural enrichment program
part of cull men program
Oh is this the St.Patricks day thread now? Jaysus boyos oi was jus wanderin' when wed ave' wan
I am going to inhale some beer at my local pub tonight. I will report back if I am forced into Sharia by any militants.
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Drunk person getting beat up on Saint Patrick's Day?
I'm sure if we search really hard we'll find a story of drunks getting beaten up today, call it a crazy hunch. Whether or not we can sift through to find the one you want, remains to be seen. These celebrations are pretty well established the world over - I cant think why but many of the cities that are getting a lot of immigrants now also have a large irish population. They clearly never integrated, because once a year a lot of them celebrate Saint Patrick's.
“It’s SHITE being Turkish! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the Americans. I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are RULED by wankers. Can’t even find a decent culture to be influenced BY. We’re ruled by effete assholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tayyip, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference!”
I genuinely enjoy life in America, but you know, we gotta level the playing field for others even if it means the American white man suffers a little loss of social dominance.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Obviously not enough. Half-assed job always proves in the long run to be the same as no job done. Those sacrifices were in vain, they weren't enough to save their country. Joseph was a man of strong will, but he wasn't strong enough. Like Tony Montana he showed weakness in crucial moment. Couldn't reach the stardom when given the opportunity. But when I think about it, Russia couldn't even subjugate Finland. Truly a shit country, dat Rossia.
As great philosopher of our time would say: if you're going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy.
Well I'm a Slav, don't lump me in with you maniacs, Gryt
The 17th March has been replaced and is now actually 'Saint Drive your Truck into a Crowd' dayjesus christ i just died
No thats the ugly one turn the camera around plspic of the other one plz
This thread is pure cancer.keep it up
If you want a gun just get a hunting license or join a competitive shooting club.
They probably check the mental health first before handing out a license.
That didn't stop you to read entire damn thing, even my incoherent rambling in broken English. You also shed a nostalgic tear, remembering good old days before everything went to okam.Sad to say, i only read the first three pages, then hit reply.
Edit: I'm now officially too old to click on quote button to see painfully small text. Please show some consideration to elderly members of this fine group of gentlemen. Thank you.
They probably check the mental health first before handing out a license.
They probably check the mental health first before handing out a license.
Minder, minder!
i can't decide if its surprising or not that i never took up posting walls of ideological/political text in offtopic or not
"If you remember nothing else about what I’m about to consider here, remember this: the one and only reason politicians, bureaucrats, and policemen want to take your weapons away from you is so that they can do things to you that they couldn’t do if you still had your weapons."— L. Neil Smith
contributing with memesAh, a cRPG classic
PEOPLE THAT HAVE ME ON FACEBOOK WILL KNOW THAT I HAVE A DEGREE, I WENT TO UNI. I BOOKED A 3 WEEK HOLIDAY TODAY FOR NEXT YEAR, WITH A GIRL IM FUCKING EVERY WEEK. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? SAT IN YOUR OWN PISS FOR 12 HOURS STRAIGHT. CONGRATS, HEY IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPY THEN I GIVE YOU MY FULL SUPPORT JUST TRY AND HAVE A SHOWER EVERY DAY YE? REPTILES.
Thanks for the meme-ories,
Ever wonder if we all know each other too well at this point?
For reasons I don't understand, Times New Roman looked nice when making falsely-official posts on the other forum
Its interesting because one can effectively use wingdings as a cipher to send a message. No one can read it unless they know to translate it out of wingdings.
Kesh did 9/11