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[spiritus]

New Scottish poleaxe is way over powered, normal spear still sucks dick and is way out classed.

[BlindGuy]

Is this for cereal? It cant be, noone can really think spear is anything but godlike since it got P-sideswings

[spiritus]

Is this for cereal? It cant be, noone can really think spear is anything but godlike since it got P-sideswings

the spear is garbage look at the stats again and blunt is way better the pierce

[spiritus]

New Scottish poleaxe is way over powered, normal spear still sucks dick and is way out classed.

This weapon is way op, at 33 p 42 c, with a staggering 93 speed combined with its 144 length. This weapon is no fair, i just went 17 n 4 while having immense ping spikes going into 300s at times.

[San]

It's 32p at +3, not 33p. I think it's a little too strong and would've preferred something like -1 speed. For pure swinging, you'd want a glaive-type weapon that deals the same damage with the same speed for more length. It's a matter of how much you think the extra pierce and bonus vs shields is worth it vs. extra length. It's very strong, but I don't think it's strong enough to be overcentralizing at this point.

Suggested stats?

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

It's 32p at +3, not 33p. I think it's a little too strong and would've preferred something like -1 speed. For pure swinging, you'd want a glaive-type weapon that deals the same damage with the same speed for more length. It's a matter of how much you think the extra pierce and bonus vs shields is worth it vs. extra length. It's very strong, but I don't think it's strong enough to be overcentralizing at this point.

Suggested stats?

1 speed 2 length 3 cut 4 pierce 5 weight...

[Artyem]

unsheathable

[Grumbs]

It could become more similar stat wise to the regular Poleaxe. Should be easier to balance it with the other polearms then. 91 speed, 29 stab, 39 swing

[Huscarlton_Banks]

Haven't really used the Scottish Halberd myself, so I won't add a suggestion yet, but comparing weapons that are that are vastly different in upkeep cost generally doesn't go well.

Compare Svaerdstav vs. Military Scythe, they're not even that distant in upkeep in comparison to Spear vs. Scottish Halberd.

Military Scythe Difficulty: 13 Weight: 2.5 Speed Rating: 91 (92 at +3) Weapon Length: 155 Thrust Damage: 22 Pierce (24 at +3) Swing Damage: 34 Cut (37 at +3) 271 Upkeep

Svaerdstav Difficulty: 15 Weight: 2.4 Speed Rating: 92 (93 at +3) Weapon Length: 156 (actually mis-sized at the moment, it should be longer) Thrust Damage: 24 Pierce (28 at +3) Swing Damage: 34 Cut (38 at +3) 576 Upkeep

[Kafein]

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[Jona]

Long Hafted Blade Difficulty: 15 Weight: 2 Speed Rating: 93 Weapon Length: 153 Thrust damage: 19 pierce Swing damage: 37 cut 648 Upkeep

Svaerdstav Difficulty: 13 Weight: 2.4 Speed Rating: 92 Weapon Length: 156 (And it's supposed to be even longer?) Thrust Damage: 24 Pierce Swing Damage: 34 Cut 576 Upkeep

The svaerdstav trades 1 speed and 3 cut for a lower difficulty, a little more weight, a little extra reach, 5 pierce, and less upkeep... not to mention at +3 the LHB only has a 2 cut advantage, since for some reason the svaerdstav has the best masterworked bonuses of any weapon. How's that for balance?

[Huscarlton_Banks]

1 speed and 2c are both pretty significant, though 13 difficulty and 15 difficulty are basically the same thing barring some extreme builds.

I'd say the ability to use Svaerdstav with a shield and one handed lance thrust animation on horseback pushes it over LHB for flexibility, I rarely ever see anyone doing guandao cavalry because of the terrible penalties it has. For no shield infantry, Svaerdstav is kind of lackluster vs. stuff like LHB/Scottish Halberd/Glaive or the 2D weapons.

The reason why Svaerdstav gets high bonuses is it uses imodbits_spear or something, most heirloom bonuses are based on rounded percentage additions based on an imodbits value.  Some weapons get comparable or better bonuses, especially if you account for +3b/p being a bit better than +4c (See any staff, for example).

[Morris]

I think the spear is pretty good


but the scottish halberd is fucking ridiculous

[Angantyr]

Remember that the Scottish Halberd's length is model length not actual animation reach, because of the odd grip. A comparison with German Poleaxe (weapon length 131 vs weapon length 144):

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[Jona]

This is why it would be great if the website listed effective reach for every weapon rather than its length. 1handers and 2handers have very little variation, yet you can have a 120 length polearm have more effective reach than a 130 length one. That,  and it is very difficult to accurately gauge the length of a new polearm when it is held so weirdly.. I am still unsure how the scottish halberd's length compares to other weapons that I already own... I can barely tell if it is even longer than the voulge half the time.