Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Leshma]

Sure, the Great Soviet Union, so stronk!
Lets talk about masterpiece of cooking engineering - Microwave oven.
West: invention in 1947 & mass usage since 1967.
USSR: mass usage in few years after this commie shit collapsed.

I would prefer to be human in a normal country, rather than slave cattle in a great one.

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Why dont find something else as an example of prosperity? I find microwave oven incredibly stupid. Prefer to eat heathy, well prepared food. Don't use fast food and coke as an argument that life in west is better...

I would prefer to be human in a normal country, rather than slave cattle in a great one.

You know what really sucks? Colloquialisms. Normal would be life in the east, because there is more people living such life. And main difference between eastern and western philosophy of life is exactly what is shown on that picture. Darmaster also mentioned it few months ago in different topic. People who live in China, Russia and muslim countries prefer their country being great and strong, rather than their individual needs. Western people are the other way around.

There is more people living on the east. Also western scientists are fascinates by behavior of different insect species, most notably ants and termites. There is no individuality in their way of life and I expect that to happen to humans as well.

[Kuujis]

Why dont find something else as an example of prosperity? I find microwave oven incredibly stupid. Prefer to eat heathy, well prepared food. Don't use fast food and coke as an argument that life in west is better...

Lets see... PORN!, ROCK!, WEED!, SEX! (FYI - there was no sex in USSR, tru story ), Freezer, Buble gum, Jeans, Radios/Music players, TV's, Books, freedom of choice (even if a poor one), lack of fear that one will be hauled to gulag for not sharing the true political ideology... Shall we go on?

P.S. I know the list started strong and got progressively weaker, CBA to care 

[Xant]

Why dont find something else as an example of prosperity? I find microwave oven incredibly stupid. Prefer to eat heathy, well prepared food. Don't use fast food and coke as an argument that life in west is better...

You know what really sucks? Colloquialisms. Normal would be life in the east, because there is more people living such life. And main difference between eastern and western philosophy of life is exactly what is shown on that picture. Darmaster also mentioned it few months ago in different topic. People who live in China, Russia and muslim countries prefer their country being great and strong, rather than their individual needs. Western people are the other way around.

There is more people living on the east. Also western scientists are fascinates by behavior of different insect species, most notably ants and termites. There is no individuality in their way of life and I expect that to happen to humans as well.

I can never tell if Leshma is trolling or being serious

[Daunt_Flockula]

I can never tell if Leshma is trolling or being serious

That is a little ironic coming from you though.

[Segd]

Leshma, you didn't get my point  Cold war didn't kill USSR, jeans & Cola did.

About "People who live in China, Russia and muslim countries prefer their country being great and strong": show Bad Korean ppl western way of life & there won't be any "eastern philosophy" on the next day. Only heavy propaganda keeps common folk from overthrowing their shitty government.
Peserstroyka & Glastnost' destroyed all Soviet ideology in no time after ppl saw the true nature of this "evil capitalistic west".
The only thing that bothers me is that ex-KGB agent Vladimir is trying to rebuild old system. God bless the Internet & Globalization for fighting him.

Here nice pics, first Mc Donald's in Russia, 1990:
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Darkest day in the history of cows xD

[Leshma]

Listen, I prefer individuality just as much you do. I don't like the way people live in the east. But you're forgetting one thing. No matter how harsh are conditions they are living in, how little of value human life is those societies they still have far greater natality rate than westernized countries.

Only reason why western civilizations haven't died out yet is immigration from poor but massive counties of the east. West is technologically advanced and values freedom, east is providing babies who will utilize technology and freedom west provides. Russia has negative natality rate but other huge countries of the east have positive birthrate and their citizens don't live better than average Russian citizen.

You don't like the way people live in your country and that is fine. Therefore you went to Finland. But you can't expect every Russian to do the same or to live like Finns and other westerners live. That is impossible, because resources are limited and human progression depends on competition.

Above is the main reason why I dislike the approach EU has. They tell us that we can have the same good life like they have if we decide to change. What they are forgetting to tell us, is that only those most virtuous will get to that level. Not everyone will be able to live like that. And that is the problem. People who live in post communist countries are used to the fact that everyone gets the same share. While it seems normal for westerners to assume that not everyone gets the same prize, that is not how minds of people from formerly communist countries work. And thus disappointment happens.

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People who live in post communist countries are used to the fact that everyone gets the same share.

What?

[Leshma]

What I meant is, people who actually lived under communism. Your parents, not the guys like you who are probably born after 1991. Life wasn't great but there weren't billionaires on one side and homeless on the other. At least not in the country I was born in.

[Kafein]

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I had to check again given I'm that insecure, and actually according to this http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx I would be in the 99.9th percentile, not the 98th

By the way those Russians really know how to keep calm and stand in lanes. Even the one to get to the top of the Eiffel tower is shorter.

What I meant is, people who actually lived under communism. Your parents, not the guys like you who are probably born after 1991. Life wasn't great but there weren't billionaires on one side and homeless on the other. At least not in the country I was born in.

Russia today and in the past had more extreme poverty than western countries, foremost during the few months they applied something vaguely similar to textbook communism after the soviet revolution.

[serr]

But... you know, 23 years passed...
And afaik inequality in post communist countries is far bigger than in western countries.
23 years is more than enough to get used to that.

[[ptx]]

Soviet Union - everyone getting the same share? Are you serious? People with political power lived like kings above the common rabble, who were all equally in the dirt, more or less. Also - ever heard of the blat system?

[Kuujis]

What I meant is, people who actually lived under communism. Your parents, not the guys like you who are probably born after 1991. Life wasn't great but there weren't billionaires on one side and homeless on the other. At least not in the country I was born in.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but I remember full well how we had VERY limited choices of food and if not our relatives in US sometimes sending a package of clothes/boots (also friggin bubble gum!!!! ) - our great natality rate family of 5 with dissident past would have had to choose "warmer boots in winter or food on the table". And trust me - one learns how to sew and care for ones boots after choices like this become norm.

And there were billionares, they were called "comrade communist party cream-de-la-cream". Sorry to break this to you 

But... you know, 23 years passed...
And afaik inequality in post communist countries is far bigger than in western countries.
23 years is more than enough to get used to that.

And give it another 23 - things may even out and be more like nordic countries, less like russia. I got no probs with that  putler does however...

[Xant]

That is a little ironic coming from you though.

Only if you're mentally challenged.

[DaveUKR]

What I really know is that 2nd high ranked officer deserted from ukrainian army in Crimea. Colonel, the commander of automobile battalion of naval forces. First he got kidnapped, afterwards he showed up completely drunk (also looked like beaten) and declared that he stands for Russian army from now and on.

This guy gave an interview today declining the fact that he deserted from the army and he's still all for Ukrainian army.

Video proof with language that you don't know

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But this deserter got replaced by a new one. 22 y.o. sailor from Ukrainian fleet (Maxim Knyazev, Russian ethnically, comes from Sevastopol, 2nd official deserter after admiral that I mentioned earlier) deserted from Ukrainian army to Crimean army to fight against "fascists". His photo from facebook. Really, I find it either a great trolling or even a greater stupidity of propaganda. Not-nаzis fighting against Nаzis, completely messed up.

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[Teeth]

Also I am obviously only noting the "not eurocentric-ukraine" facts since most of the posters here are reporting the friendly ones. If the debate was balanced I wouldnt even feel the need to post. Dont confuse devil advocate and will to add fuel to a debate that needs going further away from the single-minded monopoly and staleness it could very well end in, if one side dominate the argument.
Forming your opinion when there is only one voice available is what I call brainwashing, and please dont ask me again "but what if only one side is saying truth/being good" 

There is a thin line between being the only one advocating an alternative stance as a devil's advocate and simply being wrong and I think you crossed it a few pages ago.