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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will, but he should not, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will not, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Offline Tore

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #630 on: March 01, 2014, 03:51:52 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #631 on: March 01, 2014, 04:08:52 pm »
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Who knows :P Russia probably has more "cause" for military intervention in the Crimea than the USA ever had in the middle east so they don't really have a moral high ground to stand on.

From sky news
http://news.sky.com/story/1219043/russia-shows-its-muscle-as-crimea-breaks-away

They heavily suggest that these are in fact Russian military but atm there is no proof

Also from sky news
http://news.sky.com/story/1215537/ukraine-protesters-in-control-of-kiev



So pro west side uses weapons and violence to seize control and force the president to flee = Hooray glorious revolution USA, Europe etc claps.
Pro Russian side uses weapons and seizes control of Airports etc and doesn't recognize the new govt = Boo evil Russians how dare they.

It's not true. Nobody wanted that President, even Crimea. I think it's not even necessary to discuss it, like there is not a single sane man in Ukraine who would support that President. The other question is that not all people are happy with current government either.

There is no Pro-Russian side that used weapons. Pro-Russian side failed to capture the local Parliament being pushed out by people who were against the separation of Ukraine. And after that it was captured by armed Russian soldiers at night while there was nobody to protect it. What do you mean "no proof"? It's so obvious that only a person who is completely incompetent in such questions can say that. Those people with guns are military forces of Russia and it's not even a secret for anyone. Those are Russian military forces who just removed their flags from the uniform. Also some of them were already captured by Ukrainian special forces while Russians were trying to take over the Ukrainian military base. The only reason why the West declines to recognise Russians in them is that they don't want a war.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #632 on: March 01, 2014, 04:15:51 pm »
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Right now russian Council of the Federation discuss if they should attack Ukraine. I never heard so much bullshit at one time in my life  :cry:

For those who understand russian http://live.russia.tv/index/index/channel_id/3

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #633 on: March 01, 2014, 04:17:55 pm »
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To the simple man
When every wall is hid by many
new posters freshly pasted up,
when ‘to the people’, ‘to the Army’,
in black print stare appeals alarming,
and any dolt, and any pup
will take for gospel each old lie
that one should go and shoot off guns
and murder, poison, rob, at once;
start drumming into all our noggins
the ‘Fatherland’; the mob incite,
bamboozle with bright-coloured slogans,
egg on with ‘Our historic right’,
‘every inch’, ‘glory’, ‘sacred borders’,
with ‘our forebears’, ‘pay the price’,
with ‘heroes’, ‘flag’ and ‘sacrifice’;
when bishop, pastor, rabbi come
to say a blessing on each gun,
for God has told them, that His will
is that for Country – you should kill;
when gutter tabloid screams and rages
in letters huge on its front pages,
and herds of females lose their voice
throwing bouquets at ‘our brave boys’,
– O, my untutored simple friend,
mate from this land, or other land!
Know that the bells for these alarums
kings strike, with girls with ample charms,
Know it’s all hogwash, lies perverted,
And when these call out: ‘Shoulder arms!’
That somewhere from the ground oil spurted,
With dollars soiling the bright colours;
That in their banks there’s something rotten,
They smelled some moneybags, it looks,
Or cooked some scheme, the oily crooks,
For higher import tax for cotton.
Drum on the pavement with your gun!
Ours the blood, the oil is theirs!
And through each capital and town
Scream out, to guard your cash blood-won:
‘Tell us another, noble sirs!’. 
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #634 on: March 01, 2014, 04:36:13 pm »
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So why is Ukraine not doing anything about "6000 Russian troops" inside its territories? I mean apart from "raising the alertness level" of its military. I wonder that it'd take to get them to do something if an invasion doesn't count as something requiring intervention.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #635 on: March 01, 2014, 04:38:10 pm »
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Putin is looking every excuse to attack Ukraine.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #636 on: March 01, 2014, 04:38:32 pm »
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And how!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #637 on: March 01, 2014, 04:41:19 pm »
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Those are Russian military forces who just removed their flags from the uniform. Also some of them were already captured by Ukrainian special forces while Russians were trying to take over the Ukrainian military base.
I think nobody will mind if Ukrainian\UN\US\NATO forces will shoot some of this unknown combatants. Especially after Putin said that there are no Russian military there :)

Btw, what does international legislation say about military forces without identification marks?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #638 on: March 01, 2014, 04:45:18 pm »
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Who knows :P Russia probably has more "cause" for military intervention in the Crimea than the USA ever had in the middle east so they don't really have a moral high ground to stand on.
From sky news
http://news.sky.com/story/1219043/russia-shows-its-muscle-as-crimea-breaks-away
They heavily suggest that these are in fact Russian military but atm there is no proof
Also from sky news
http://news.sky.com/story/1215537/ukraine-protesters-in-control-of-kiev
So pro west side uses weapons and violence to seize control and force the president to flee = Hooray glorious revolution USA, Europe etc claps.
Pro Russian side uses weapons and seizes control of Airports etc and doesn't recognize the new govt = Boo evil Russians how dare they.

I dont think you really get the full situation Osiris. And tbh its cool. You really get how this works if you are living next to Russia. This is how they annex lands for themselves and how they have done this before.    If they get away with it whats stopping em from taking more pieces from its other neibhours claiming "russian citizens are in danger".  Would you be cool with it? The fact that some dickbags from another country just randomly take some chunks out of yours in a nonviolent manner isnt exactly calming now is it. And we dont even know if the people of Crimea actually want to be part of Russia. Just because there are men with guns everywhere claiming that they definately do and raising russian flags doesnt make it so.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #639 on: March 01, 2014, 04:48:51 pm »
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Btw, what does international legislation say about military forces without identification marks?

I assume it says burn them


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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #640 on: March 01, 2014, 05:44:17 pm »
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Tbh I just can't form an opinion on this whole thing. There are so many different reports, interviews and footage - it's impossible for me to filter all through it.

Luckily I am in a situation that I can just sit back, wait and see what happens next. I certainly don't envy anyone living in that "neighbourhood" right now :?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #641 on: March 01, 2014, 05:54:20 pm »
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All of this incredibly reminds of Czechoslovakian crisis.
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #642 on: March 01, 2014, 06:40:12 pm »
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Russian warship was just spotted unannounced 200 miles off the coast of Miami Florida!  this shit is getting deep, all over Ukraine.

just reported on CNN

here is a link for people to read about it.

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/02/as_ukrainian_situation_heats_u.html

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #643 on: March 01, 2014, 06:51:41 pm »
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There is nothing legitimate with the Russian military 'intervention'. It's a parliament sanctioned invasion of Ukraine, utterly illegal under any international law.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #644 on: March 01, 2014, 07:06:25 pm »
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i dont get why everyone is so afraid of russia, if they try everything than USA will bomb their obsolete  country to pieces
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