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Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« on: October 31, 2012, 12:57:38 am »
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So they add a new 37 length 1Her but there's still the long-standing issue of any close-range 1H thrust bouncing off the enemy.
Kind of seems like putting the cart before the horse?
It's been a problem for a long time now and I just wonder if it's never going to see a fix.

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 01:16:00 am »
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The 1h stab was amazing when you could spin it. You were guaranteed a clean hit, and the animation was very fast. The looser sweet spot didn't even come close to making up for that loss.

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 01:52:28 am »
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Yeah, even though the Rondel Dagger loses 2 damage when swung I still almost exclusively swing it because of the risk of glancing on a stab.

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 08:12:22 pm »
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It's totally counter-intuitive that 1H weapons specifically should have this problem since they're all the shortest weapons. I can understand point-blank glancing with polearms for the sake of realism, but for 1Hers it just accomplishes nothing sensible; it's only a frustrating nerf.

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 08:52:02 pm »
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Become a 2h/pole hero or xbow/left spam like everyone else.
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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 09:59:00 pm »
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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 10:07:55 pm »
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"It doesn't bounce if you just wiggle it".

This is a reply that's just waiting to be posted.

And it's true. You only have to wiggle a bit and your 1h stabs wont bounce.

But so is the same for 2handers and polearms.

Seriously. Facestabbing with this and facestabbing with this should NOT have the same difficulty.
This game isn't about being skillful as much as its about saying things in general chat that enrage people who then go to murder you but in their rage they make dumb mistakes which gets them killed.
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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 11:35:07 pm »
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Bump for fairness' sake.
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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 04:08:31 am »
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1h should be good at stabbing up close, 2h/pole good for stabbing far away. Right now, 1h is awful for stabbing at any range, and 2h is amazing for stabbing at any range.

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 05:50:34 am »
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I'll bump in the morning.
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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 11:49:40 am »
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You cannot stab at close range with a 2h either unless your damage is very high and/ your enemy is unarmored, same goes for 1handers. Try a high PS STR build and see if it makes a difference.

So no, 2h is not amazing at stabbing at any range, quite the contrary. Go make a STF balance or AGI build and see for yourself.

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 12:03:31 pm »
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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 02:56:48 pm »
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You cannot stab at close range with a 2h either unless your damage is very high and/ your enemy is unarmored, same goes for 1handers. Try a high PS STR build and see if it makes a difference.

So no, 2h is not amazing at stabbing at any range, quite the contrary. Go make a STF balance or AGI build and see for yourself.

I disagree I've been stabbed by 5-6ps players with a 2h at the very very tip of their animation for full damage. Also the same event occurs at point blank. Where is a 1h suposse to be superior? Never currently. It's all in the players skill unlike 2h and polearm.

Your arguement of manual block is invalid. It's easy to do.

In any case 1h sucks. Remove its hit box restrictions so that it only will glance at the end of the swing animation. This will balance the game by giving 1h the facehug advantage, since it will no longer glance at any range and at initial swing. But as it should be, be less effective at longer range(because they are short) and giving 2h and pole the advantage.

That makes sense to me for balance.

In anycase I'm done playing crpg until they improve 1h. Which has been shat on the last 3 patches.


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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 03:02:35 pm »
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I disagree I've been stabbed by 5-6ps players with a 2h at the very very tip of their animation for full damage. Also the same event occurs at point blank. Where is a 1h suposse to be superior? Never currently. It's all in the players skill unlike 2h and polearm.

Your arguement of manual block is invalid. It's easy to do.

In any case 1h sucks. Remove its hit box restrictions so that it only will glance at the end of the swing animation. This will balance the game by giving 1h the facehug advantage, since it will no longer glance at any range and at initial swing. But as it should be, be less effective at longer range(because they are short) and giving 2h and pole the advantage.

That makes sense to me for balance.

In anycase I'm done playing crpg until they improve 1h. Which has been shat on the last 3 patches.

I dont think 1h is in a bad state in general.
For example at siege 1h is by far the easiest way to get huge scores.
Take a big shield, take a fast 1h and look with how little to no skill requirement its possible
to get on the valourtrain :p

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Re: Still no fix for close-range 1H thrust bounces?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 09:12:20 am »
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i am sure that you mean 2h/polearm