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WSE2 Beta / First person suggestion

« on: January 03, 2013, 11:48:04 am »

Whilst the ability to change first person FOV is freaking sweet, the first person still feels quite limited.

What if the first person camera was moved slightly backwards? I have this feeling that the camera being somewhere in front of the characters face is the problem with it. Is it just me?

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Strategus General Discussion / A different strategus and stuff

« on: November 20, 2012, 07:01:20 pm »

A summary of a certain IRC conversation some days ago:

What if...

• ..strategus map was tile or region based, with players moving from tile to tile, and being able to interact with anything that was in the tile
• ..you would control tiles, regardless of whether or not there are fiefs in it
• ..all the actions in strat (movement, attacks, whatever else) were semi-turn based - as in, the whole thing moves forward 1 turn every 30 minutes or so and movement, for example, takes like 1-3 turns between tiles, depending on your speed
• ..there was integrated diplomacy in strat, trade agreements and treaties, all giving buffs (and debuffs), depending on territory control - this being enforced because of tile based territories, that would hurt factions, that would be at war in strat, whilst actually being at peace, for example. This could also be used to discourage massive powerblocks, perhaps, by giving debuffs, based on size of factions making peace or some such thing
• ..all trading was automated and not done by players, but rather just gave revenue, based on territory control and diplomatic treaties
• ..players would instead contribute their hard-earned ticks towards improving regions/tiles/fiefs and actually pushing for territory
• ..there were pretty colours
• ..there were more ways to actively expend your strat ticks towards different causes
• ..there were more unique battle locations with their own maps and more meaningful field battles

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[12:32] <Andswaru> its to time consuming (24hrs) because of bandits etc on different time zones.
[12:36] <jacko> auto caravans would be awesome
[12:36] <Vibe> hm basically yeah
[12:36] <jacko> sending out NPC caravans
[12:36] <Vibe> perhaps make all the boring shit more Ai/NPC dependant
[12:36] <Vibe> like one guy controling his own troops
[12:36] <Vibe> to do crap
[12:37] <Vibe> so you're not limited to one action at a time
[12:37] <Vibe> like send 50 troops to do trades
[12:37] <Vibe> then 150 to battle
[12:37] <jacko> depending on if you're a fief owner or not
[12:37] <jacko> castle = ai raiders, towns = x caravans
[12:38] <[ptx]> how about
[12:38] <Vibe> and a PREMIUM FEATURE, 5 action at a time allowed + 50% troop bonus per strat tick only 14.99$/month
[12:38] <jacko>
[12:38] <[ptx]> make strat map somewhat tile based
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[12:38] <jacko> heh yea
[12:38] <jacko> it's pixel based at the moment
[12:38] <[ptx]> yeah, like, you get hexagon tiles or something
[12:38] <[ptx]> or octagon
[12:38] <[ptx]> it takes time to move from one tile to another
[12:39] <[ptx]> you can attack whoever is in your tile, enter the fief in it, etc
[12:39] <[ptx]> wouldnt really lose out on much, except for a lot of micromanagement
[12:40] <[ptx]> would make it more visually appealing
[12:40] <[ptx]> perhaps more strategic as well
[12:40] <[ptx]> territory control meaning more
[12:40] <Vibe> hm yeah
[12:40] <Vibe> what if it wasnt all fief based
[12:40] <[ptx]> region based
[12:40] <Vibe> each hexa having its own attributes
[12:41] <[ptx]> yeah
[12:41] <Vibe> like providing those and these crafts/goods
[12:41] <[ptx]> okay, maybe not hexa, but like in paradox strategy games
[12:41] <[ptx]> where you get regions
[12:41] <Vibe> yeah
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[12:41] <[ptx]> each region has its own attributes, might have a fief or not
[12:42] <Vibe> depends on how big those regions would be
[12:42] <[ptx]> hell, maybe even give regions a multi-tier battles
[12:42] <[ptx]> like
[12:42] <[ptx]> it is controlled by faction A
[12:42] <[ptx]> faction B attacks it
[12:42] <[ptx]> first has to defeat faction As armies in the region
[12:42] <[ptx]> then can attack the fief
[12:43] <[ptx]> unless the faction A army is not in the fief
[12:43] <[ptx]> or something like that?
[12:43] <[ptx]> anyhow
[12:44] <[ptx]> regions/tiles would be an improvement, imho
[12:44] <Andswaru> tiles would be pro
[12:44] <Andswaru> would even solve this damn bash attack 500 times and watch the guy still escape problem
[12:44] <[ptx]> yeah
[12:45] <[ptx]> well
[12:45] <[ptx]> i absolutely hate the pixel hunting mechanics of now
[12:45] <Vibe> what is it hard to attack people like this?
[12:45] <[ptx]> having stuff be in regions would clean up strat a ton
[12:45] <Vibe> never tried
[12:45] <Vibe> so i dunno
[12:45] <[ptx]> theres a lot of pixel micromanagement right now
[12:45] <[ptx]> which is annoying
[12:46] <[ptx]> it isnt hard to attack someone, you just click them and press attack
[12:46] <[ptx]> at which point your char moves on top of target
[12:46] <[ptx]> but still, its all down to pixels
[12:47] <[ptx]> having chars disappear into fiefs, 1 pixel short of being attacked, etc
[12:47] <[ptx]> regardless, everyone loves tiles/regions
[12:53] <Vibe> but
[12:53] <Vibe> that would limit the movement a bit
[12:53] <Vibe> you wouldn't be able to dodge as much
[12:54] <Vibe> if the tiles were big
[12:54] <Vibe> and especially if it's regions only
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[13:31] <[ptx]> yeah
[13:31] <[ptx]> thats the point
[13:32] <[ptx]> fuck "dodging", aka stare at a page and refresh every 5 minutes for an hour or more
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[13:39] <jacko> it's a map, representing armies and cities
[13:39] <jacko> no need for dodging
[13:39] <jacko> bring forth the squares!
[13:42] <@chadz> i'm surprised "dodging" still works
[13:42] <[ptx]> well, not so much dodging
[13:42] <@chadz> you should be able to attack anyone instantly that is within 5 minutes reach
[13:42] <[ptx]> as having "escort" armies
[13:43] <[ptx]> with multiple people frantically typing/shouting in TS and staring at pixels
[13:44] <@chadz> lol
[13:44] <[ptx]> anyhow
[13:44] <[ptx]> pixel staring sucks ;(
[13:44] <@chadz> well, i'm interested in tiles, but probably not for this version
[13:44] <[ptx]> yay
[13:44] <@chadz> i'll leave the rest up to your imagination
[13:44] <Cordella> pls don turn it into a board game
[13:44] <jacko> it already is..?
[13:44] <Cordella> next we'll have to roll dice to determine wars
[13:45] <@chadz> maybe a more abstract ruleset (=boardgame) could be nice for strat
[13:46] <@chadz> like "you can only attack other towns when you start in a town"
[13:46] <jacko> rules that make sense, sure
[13:46] <jacko> it's all about visualizing that makes sense
[13:46] <jacko> think civ
[13:46] <@chadz> maybe also only one action per hour
[13:46] <@chadz> as in, setting moves, and every hour is a tick
[13:46] <jacko> civ / total war campaign map
[13:46] <jacko> but real time
[13:47] <@chadz> well, for all scared shitless now, i'm just thinking out loud here
[13:47] <@Mylet> I think it's a nice idea
[13:47] <[ptx]> [13:46] <@chadz> maybe also only one action per hour
[13:47] <[ptx]>
[13:48] <[ptx]> sounds... interesting
[13:48] <jacko> also, ai stuff
[13:48] <[ptx]> having strat stuff happen on an hourly basis or so, rather than realtime
[13:48] <[ptx]> or 30 mins
[13:48] <jacko> once initiated you can't really control them
[13:48] <jacko> like caravan, raiding parties
[13:49] <jacko> but you know this
[13:49] <@chadz> i think realtime doesn't really work for mmo strategy
[13:49] <@chadz> i always thought it would
[13:49] <@chadz> but it just makes stuff more complicated
[13:49] <@chadz> so why not make it semi turn based
[13:50] <[ptx]> agree totally
[13:50] <[ptx]> a semi-turn based with action queueing (cant spell lol) would work grand
[13:51] <[ptx]> probably biggest issue would be having different movement speeds in that
[13:51] <[ptx]> but then again you could have different speed units, like, fast moving character = moves set distance in X turns, slow character moves said distance in 2,5x turns
[13:51] <[ptx]> or so
[13:52] <@chadz> yeah, different movement speeds probably wouldnt work
[13:52] <@chadz> unless you make it 1/2/3 turns per tile
[13:52] <[ptx]> yeah
[13:52] <[ptx]> would also stop giving people headaches with movement speeds
[13:52] <[ptx]> spreadsheets FTL
[13:54] <@chadz> actually, that could work
[13:54] <@chadz> ideal condition is 1 move per tile
[13:54] <@chadz> forest gives +1 penalty
[13:54] <@chadz> mountain +4
[13:54] <@chadz> eg
[13:54] <jacko> yeah
[13:54] <jacko> just make it simple
[13:54] <@chadz> and your equipment can modify +x, or *x
[13:55] <jacko> also, visual borders around towns
[13:55] <jacko> = faction color
[14:01] <Vibe> think it could work well with turns and tiles
[14:01] <Vibe> more thinking and less staring at tiles
[14:01] <Vibe> i mean pixels
[14:02] <jacko> yup
[14:02] <jacko> as long as it isn't just tiles slapped over the current system
[14:02] <Vibe> well makes regions out of the tiles
[14:02] <Vibe> and have regions have attributes
[14:03] <jacko> yup
[14:03] <Vibe> so it isn't only about fiefs anymore
[14:03] <Vibe> might also promote open field battles more
[14:03] <jacko> unique battle locations for region control
[14:03] <jacko> :O
[14:05] <Vibe> shit
[14:05] <Vibe> region connections and tied benefits
[14:05] <Vibe> so cutting off someones land and separating it
[14:05] <Vibe> would hurt
[14:05] <Vibe> and influence
[14:06] <Vibe> kind of like Planetside 2 right now
[14:06] <Rosak> hmmm
[14:06] <jacko> connected, but should still give benefits unconnected as well
[14:07] <jacko> for bandits and small clans who don't own fiefs
[14:09] <[ptx]> ok, heres an idea
[14:09] <[ptx]> players dont run caravans, caravans are created from fiefs and travel between them automatically
[14:10] <[ptx]> created at a cost
[14:10] <jacko> that's planned, somewhere in the future i believe
[14:10] <[ptx]> players, instead, spend their ticks
[14:10] <Vibe> that would be great
[14:10] <[ptx]> in other things
[14:10] <[ptx]> in regions
[14:10] <[ptx]> maybe, replacing PP
[14:11] <[ptx]> >
[14:11] <[ptx]> ?
[14:11] <[ptx]> or some such thing
[14:11] <jacko> yup
[14:11] <[ptx]> as in, players spend their ticks improving their factions fiefs
[14:11] <[ptx]> or neutral players spend their ticks on other things
[14:12] <[ptx]> troop recruitment being an additional tick sink
[14:12] <[ptx]> also
[14:12] <[ptx]> built in diplomacy
[14:12] <jacko> god yes
[14:13] <[ptx]> the automatic caravans dont travel to friendly fiefs, if you havent actually made an in-strat trade agreement
[14:13] <jacko> it's a game, enforce game rules
[14:13] <[ptx]> and such built in diplomatic agreements can have some effects
[14:14] <[ptx]> maybe even something to make people not carebear as much
[14:14] <jacko> declaring war takes x turns
[14:14] <jacko> moves everyone out of the territory
[14:14] <jacko> etc
[14:14] <[ptx]> or perhaps
[14:14] <jacko> peace make factions unable to attack each other for x turns
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[14:15] <@Mylet> I think that would be a bit too restricting
[14:15] <[ptx]> being at war/neutral with a faction makes you pay higher upkeep for troops whilst in their territory
[14:15] <jacko> you can still hire mercs to attack
[14:15] <[ptx]> but peace has some other costs
[14:16] <jacko> don't see why it would restrict anything, tbh
[14:16] <[ptx]> so, you cant have factions pretending to be neutral, without gimping themselves
[14:17] <[ptx]> perhaps some sort of debuff, relative to the size of the factions making their peace agreement
[14:17] <jacko> there should still be a viable way to merc for other factions
[14:17] <[ptx]> so, small factions can do peace with each other, but big ones will suffer
[14:17] <jacko> without declaring
[14:17] <[ptx]> none of the in-strat diplomacy can really work without regions/tiles
[14:18] <[ptx]> or at least as far as i can ee
[14:19] <jacko> well, i think a we would benefit from a diplomacy system
[14:19] <jacko> right now people make up their own rules about it
[14:20] <[ptx]> yeah, its pretty lame lol
[14:20] <jacko> but there is no way to enforce it
[14:20] <jacko> only way is to shit talk on the fourms
[14:20] <[ptx]> especially considering how most people have no idea how proper diplomacy should go
[14:21] <[ptx]> and then you have people making "truces" with no term, that can basically be broken within 5 minutes of signing
[14:21] <[ptx]> or never
[14:21] <[ptx]> go figure
[14:21] <jacko> yeah that's the problem
[14:22] <jacko> no consequences
[14:22] <jacko> way way back i used to play utopia
[14:22] <jacko> which is a text based strategy game ish
[14:23] <jacko> there you had turns, attacking, declaring etc
[14:23] <jacko> and it worked really well
[14:35] <Fips> awwww yes, playing cRPG on my TV
[14:36] <Rosak> jacko: the player community was probably smarter
[14:39] <Vibe> so
[14:39] <Vibe> who's going to sum all this up in a nice looking post
[14:40] <[ptx]> you will
[14:40] <[ptx]> a post for what, anyway
[14:41] <[ptx]> its all just daydreaming
[14:41] <Vibe> for all this cool suggestions about strat
[14:41] <[ptx]> right now anyway
[14:41] <Vibe> still
[14:41] <Vibe> also it would be great renown for you guys
[14:41] <Vibe> you know you want it
[14:41] <[ptx]> awww
[14:41] <[ptx]> >_<
[14:42] <[ptx]> i posted a photo of my uberkool cat in mewos thread, didnt get a single plus
[14:42] <[ptx]> i am hurt
[14:42] <Vibe> lol
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[14:44] * karasu pokes Mylet's eyes out with a fork
[14:45] <[ptx]> if i went through the trouble of summing all this up and ended up with less than +30, id be hurt too much
[14:45] <[ptx]> i cant take it anymore

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Resolved Issues / Suggestion - separate mounted attack direction

« on: November 11, 2012, 01:43:26 pm »

Currently, you can choose between normal and inverted attack direction, which affects attack direction for both when you're on foot and when you're mounted. Whilst inverted attack directions are sweet for fighting on foot, they are (imho) utterly awful for fighting from horseback.

Would it be possible to have an option to choose different controls for when fighting from horseback?

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Suggestions Corner / Save DTV - add more waves, armed with longer weapons?

« on: November 05, 2012, 02:30:07 pm »

Sick and tired of seeing DTV populated by lame people, that just sit in some unreachable spot, be it behind a fence or on top of some obstacle, and just slaughter bots all day with their long 2her/polearm? I know i am.

Solution? Bots with LONGER weapons!

Think Swiss Pikemen/halberdier waves! Or Khuyak Hero waves! Perhaps give some of the nomads LHBs? You get the idea.

Save DTV?

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Spam / Olwen becomes an hero.

« on: November 03, 2012, 07:14:49 pm »

Here is a message for you, morons:

i'll miss some people but i know we'll meet later in another place

i know those people will understand my gesture so i'm not that afraid about saying those things i said in this thread because it's just the kind of feelings i'm getting from staying in this community, which is why i'm leaving it

everything here is about hatred, and despite the few good people i like here i can't stay in this community and keep fighting over the internet because i'm not enjoying it

trolls gonna troll, haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love, but i'm getting off

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Closed Requests / [Warn/ban] Deserter_ujuki

« on: October 29, 2012, 02:10:07 am »

So i go on EU3 for some late night duelling, see some 3 deserters and a couple of other guys. Do some duels against whoever, but the Deserter guys keep facehugging on duel start. I tell them to stop, then after some exchange of words i decide to simply not duel them and fight this other guy instead (who is more fun to fight anyway):

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Diplomacy / A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP. Also, shocking news, Mercs break deals.

« on: October 18, 2012, 07:13:31 pm »

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Glorious United Democratic National Workers Salvation Front for Liberation of Calradia and venerable Mercenaries hereby agree to the following:

• Mercenaries agree to transfer ownership of Reindi castle to UDNWSFLC
• UDNWSFLC agrees to transfer [-classified-] troops, split in two, over the course of two weeks, to the Mercenaries
• UDNWSFLC and Mercenaries sign a Non-Agression Pact between the two, effective from 18.10.2012. to 18.11.2012. (1 month)

Terms of the Non-Agression Pact:

• Both sides will not engage in any direct hostilities (attacks) against each other for the duration of the deal.
• Participation in battles as mercenaries, opposing each other is not limited.

If the above is of no concern/interest to you, skip over to this:

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Big edit: This deal has been broken by Mercenaries, just like that.

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Mercenary Recruitment / The Revolutionary forces need your assistance!

« on: September 24, 2012, 11:03:03 am »

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=230

and

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=234

and

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=240

Sign up now! Fan the flames of the revolution!

Teamspeak channel for battles at 62.104.20.250:10027 - United Democratic National Workers Salvation Front for Liberation of Calradia

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General Off Topic / DRZ CAUGHT CHEATING

« on: September 19, 2012, 10:39:55 am »

-snip-

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Diplomacy / Declaration of UDNWSFLC

« on: September 17, 2012, 11:02:07 am »

United Democratic National Workers Salvation Front for Liberation of Calradia

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There is no choice.

Intervention by UCSDNWFLE is inevitable. It is no longer possible to ignore the evil things like corruption, bribery, nepotism, and theft of public funds, injustice and disrespect to our religion and the laws of the land. The laws are thrust aside and people do whatever they wanted. No group or family can live happily if they do not respect their laws and regulations. There will be no development or any sort of progress for a nation, if the laws of the land are forgotten? Calradia is on the point of collapse, not economically and politically alone, but disaster threatened historically and nationally as well. If we look back on recent events in the land, we will see how a peaceful land is changing to violence.

We will abolish bribery, nepotism and feudalism. Feudalism is the only way in which foreigners got their chance of dividing our people. We will close all roads used by North Americans to enter our land and into our affairs. We will build up a great Calradian nation, strongly united and welded together to live in peace. We will make respect the chadzian religion, if necessary, by all the force and strength we have. We will make Calradia a respected country in its internal and external policies. I would like to ask all Calradians to come out and build their nation, a strong nation, to use all their efforts, energy, wealth and brains in developing their land. At all costs avoid begging. The Carebearists, who always want to see people in hunger, disease and ignorance, will oppose us in order that we may beg them. They will spread many types of lies to try to misinterpret our noble aims and objectives.

They will try to persuade the internets, and even other forumites, to believe their lies. Apart from these lies, they will call us many evil names. They are at present collecting arms, money and many other necessary things for them to work against us. We are very happy and thankful to see the unity of the UCSDNWFLE and the Calradian population. The nation has given us true support for which we are very grateful. Nothing will harm us if we go on supporting each other for the sake of our land and nation. Lets us join hands in crushing the enemy of our land!

Take up arms, fellow Calradians, liberation is now!

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Resolved Issues / Game locks up/freezes in certain areas

« on: September 06, 2012, 06:38:00 pm »

Not exactly visible in video (since its recorded at 30FPS), but the game actually flickers between 2 frames, rather than being stuck in one. This happens in a few other places as well in other maps, does not happen in normal client.

Beta config

Beta log

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Resolved Issues / Incorrect cd-key -> Enter cd-key -> crash.

« on: August 26, 2012, 09:35:06 pm »

Had a woefully bad strat battle, after which i got Incorrect cd-key message, then it asked for my cd-key, entered it, game CTD'ed.

files:
Crash dump
Crash log
Beta config

-edit: It still keeps asking for cd-key now, and crashes every time.

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Resolved Issues / Crashed on duel server

« on: August 20, 2012, 09:34:58 pm »

O hai.

Just had the game freeze on duel server, after i lost a duel and wanted to view game rules (Fast/Fastest combat speed? O_o)

The freeze produced neither a crash log nor a dump.

Here is my beta config

-edit, this happens every time as far as i can tell, when you try to view game rules, don't know if this applies outside of EU3, yet.

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Resolved Issues / Crappy performance/stuttering on certain maps/areas.

« on: August 09, 2012, 06:55:16 pm »

Map: Foothold.

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FPS drops from my normal 60 to 40 and below, game is also constantly stuttering.
http://www.filedropper.com/crpgbetaconfig
http://www.filedropper.com/crpgbetalog

Does this on some certain maps as well (The siege map with the flag inside a church, i get this upon entering the courtyard in front of it, or whilst being inside the church).

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Closed Requests / [Ban/punish] perforated_colon_enemy

« on: August 08, 2012, 08:43:38 pm »

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After polling me for no reason, he began insulting me by calling me chocolate chip cookie. This continued for a while. Needs more comment?