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Since a own an armor (breastplate with backplate), I can tell you that I do not need help to put it on. As for weight, it lies on shoulders and waist, but also on you back as well, you can't really feel it much, it's like wearing a nicely fitted winter jacket. As for mobility, you can bend, tie your shoes, lie down, stand up, drink a beer, drink votka, drink mead, fall in grass, crawl back to your tent, no probs. Now, there are folks who have really bad armors and behave in them like bipedal turtles, and then draw conclusions from their experiences, but you know, fuck them.

Yeah, wearing it beats speculating. Thinking of getting my own in the future, however I still am not sure whether to go for a early-mid 15th century English style or a mid-late 15th century Milanese suit. Of course, I'll have to buy it gradually, since they're expensive as hell, but it will be worth it if I do. Some pics (first is English, second is Milanese):

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The Met armor isn't the only example with straps on the front. And this armor style would have started becoming more prevalent towards the end of the medieval era to wealthy mercenaries and bands that didn't have the manpower or option to take servants.

Yes... and no. You see, the Corrazina is a later 14th and early 15th century armor. It was a knightly armor, and it had the straps at the back.
What you're referring to is a later development of the corazzina, known as the brigandine. It was an infantry development, with two main differences. While the corrazina became the solid breastplates you see in the 15th century, the brigandine went the other way and had tons of small plates, which was easier to make. It was generally an infantry armor, with the straps at the front. It is not the same armor, and should not be confused. It came a few decades later

Full Plate Armor overall was already falling out of use by this time in the way we saw it in the medieval era as it was just too cumbersome and unpractical to use, even those who could afford it weren't using it.

Oh no, it was definitely not. I don't know where you got that idea from. There's so much wrong with that sentence

Plate armor never actually fell out of use. Full plate harnesses did yes, but that was in the 17th century, not the 15th. And even so curaissers still used breastplates, and even some WW2 troops used heavy metal armor. The body armor worn today is still steel plates (unless you use kevlar).

"it was just too cumbersome and unpractical to use"

Said no one ever. That has ever used plate armor at least. It is neither cumbersome nor unpractical. A general 15th century suit weighed around 25-30 kg, and that's the mail and helmet counted too. The 30 kg was really only the Italian armors, since they for some reason still wore full mail shirts under their plate armors. Most other regions did only wear mail sleeves or voiders, which brought the weight down a few kilos

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The second part of it was that the weight was distributed naturally across your body. The breastplate is distributed mostly on your waist and a bit on your shoulders. The arm armor goes on the arm. The leg armor goes on the leg.

What this does is that you don't actually feel the weight excessively. You still tire faster than without wearing it, and movement is slightly limited. But to call it cumbersome? No, never

It was extremely practical too, being able to stop virtually any weapon, from lances to crossbows and even firearms if we're talking 16th century plate. Everyone who could afford it wore it.

And if you still don't believe me: just look at this guy go climbing, doing a sommersault and even a half flip in mid 15th century armor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI

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By the way pal http://forum.melee.org/historical-discussion/

Awh man, no one's been on there since last year, and that was 1 guy who came 3 years late to a discussion

Don't do this to me

why these constant snide remarks? you dont gain anything from it other than maybe making yourself feel better

Ignore Cassi, she's just jealous of my sexy armor  :lol:

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At least you are enjoying writing this shit

I'm bored, and have nothing else to do. Who knows, maybe someone actually will care

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The corazzinas in-game are actually quite unhistorical. And pretty unusable too, had they been real.

Narf based them off the infamous Met armor, owned by Basford Dean (met stands for Metropolian Museum of Art).

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Little known outside of the medieval community however, is that Deen really loved to take different armors and piece together components. The Met armor is one example of that, and it's really quite bad.

First off, the straps. Corrazinas did not have straps at the front. They were knightly armors, and knights had servants. Which is why they were designed with the straps at the back, so that an opponent would not be able to cut them off in battle and expose your oh so sexy chest.

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This is one of the best examples of a real surviving corrazina.

Another thing you may have noticed, which is what makes the armor really unusable, are the plates under the waistline. Cheastplates always taper at the natural waist, and everything under that needs to be flexible. Something achieved with having segmented lames. You can see it better on a later 15th century breastplate:

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(this is from the youtube channel Knyght Errant btw, check him out!)

Anyhow you can see that everything beneath the waist is segmented, to allow it collapsing when moving and not restricting your legs. The Met armor? Nope, all it has is one solid skirt (well almost completely solid, solid enough). Good luck moving in that.

If we take a look at one of the corrazinas in-game, you can see that they're 90% modeled off the Met armor.

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Just thought I'd put that out there

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General Discussion / Re: A proposed tweak
« on: April 18, 2018, 10:33:55 pm »
just put this armor u made ,with french plate as name into the shop,but give it because of missing nipples,2 less body armor or so ( because 2 nipples) ,i bet like 80 % of ppl will take the armor without nipples just because the other one is ugly as fuck^^

Well I did not actually make it, or even come up with the idea. I just saw it in another mod and it looked better. Don't remember which... might have been Mercs

Ah ye it was actually, since I then copied their texture values from OpenBRF to make the set more matching as they had. Not the textures themselves, just the numeric values.

I still removed the nipples myself, and copied the rigging from one of Narfs OSPs so I did not steal anything from them.

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General Discussion / Re: A proposed tweak
« on: April 18, 2018, 10:25:17 pm »
its just not that, but keeping things realistic also adds to the learning-part, for example in this case, some people may not know about these armour feats. and why they were used, mount & blade is based on realism. but like i said, its no biggie, im just expressing my thoughts since you asked for it. i did upvote + voted yes

I mean sure, I fully support this. The only issue is: people do not care. There are a million unhistorical armors in c-rpg anyway.

My second point is that one would purposedully not wear besagews in many cases. Some simply preferred them off. Like I do
The mail under the shoulders was generally enough to protect, from most things. Except really sharp points like lances and arrows/bolts, but that was a risk some were willing to take.

Anyhow, I don't mind besagews on real armors when I see them. They just don't look as good here.

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General Discussion / Re: A proposed tweak
« on: April 18, 2018, 11:30:49 am »
if you try and take away the great bascinet model we have right now im fucking out. the last truly ugly piece of shit armor i can wear out to display how chad i am. one thats not the already trademarked pigface klappvisor

I did not say to take it away. I said to add some fucking rigging to it.

The helmet is quite cool when used with the proper armor tbh. I used to hate it, but when you start to get interested in 14th and 15th century armor it grows on you. I quite like it

And the proper armor is the milanese set, since the milanese set is actually French (but is also very close to english style) and that great bascinet is in French/English style too. It's purrefect

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General Discussion / Re: A proposed tweak
« on: April 16, 2018, 09:04:38 pm »
"Besagues are circular defences designed to protect the armpits, as part of a harness of plate armour. The armpits are the location of the axillary arteries, and protecting them was therefore vital. Armour without besagues might employ larger shoulder defenses, such as winged pauldrons or simply leave the mail beneath exposed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besagew

imo they should stay but not really a biggie

Sure, if this were real life? Is it tho?

No, armor doesn't work that way in this mod. And so coolness < Besagews

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General Discussion / Re: Going to stream this dying mod now that I can
« on: April 16, 2018, 09:19:09 am »
Dying? I think it qualifies as 'dead' already

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General Discussion / Re: A proposed tweak
« on: April 16, 2018, 09:16:05 am »
is this what people are into these days?

No, just me

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General Discussion / Re: A proposed tweak
« on: April 15, 2018, 08:55:22 pm »
Do you want to get stabbed in your armpits?

It is preferable to looking ugly asf

what a god

Glad someone finally noticed. I mean it's not like it's in mah name or anything

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General Discussion / A proposed tweak
« on: April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm »
If you have ever seen me in-game chances are I was using the Milanese armor together with the Great Bascinet. Long story short I got annoyed at how the Great Bascinet had no rigging, and decided to fix that myself (not the hard way mind you).

So I copied a rigging of one of Narfs packs, pasted it on and from what I saw it worked fine. At the same time I decided to remove the besagews (those round thingies) from the milanese armor set.

Pic:
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Anyhow, the 'milanese set' is not really milanese, it's french. Well it is milanese, but it was made in french style for a german count. Confusing I know. So my proposal is;

Paste some rigging on the Great Helm
Remove the besagews from the milanese set because they're piss ugly
Rename the armor to 'French Plate'

If the devs are too lazy, I have a brf file with this all done. All credit goes to Narf and whoever made that great helmet.

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Announcements / Re: Development update - April 2018
« on: April 13, 2018, 08:16:12 am »
Wipe it too while you're on it. We have absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

I was here for a small time when this mod was very alive, and I wish to see it back to that state.

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General Discussion / Re: Black Helmet appreciation thread
« on: March 30, 2018, 12:04:41 am »
Why does it start only in 600 AD and only with the Spangenhelm? It's a bit of a misleading graph. For example the Barbute was a deliberate attempt at recreating greek Corinthian type helmets, it didn't "evolve" from a pot helmet.

It was an attempt at creating a helmet that was protective enough without a visor, no idea if they actually cared for the Corinthian helmets. Probably not

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