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General Discussion / Make the viking shield smaller

« on: May 01, 2018, 09:08:45 pm »

I've noticed that the 'Viking' shield in-game is too big.

Old viking shields came in a few sizes, and some of them were rather big. Not, however, as big as the one in-game. A standard shield would be aproximately 10-20% smaller, as can be seen in the following pictures, where reenactors have recreated the shields found archeologically:

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All I'm saying is that the size should be reduced 10-20%

We can ignore the fact that they were painted and that the heavier ones were covered by rawhide.

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General Discussion / Something about mail coifs and aventails - since I'm bored

« on: April 20, 2018, 09:43:07 pm »

Well since I am bored again, and more people than expected cared about my corrazina post, I'm going to do one for mail coifs.

Keep in mind that I'm not the one that researched all of this. I usually see or hear people talk about and explain it, with sources. I then look at the sources, and go 'well that is a reasonable source'. Then I do some minor independent research.

Really most of this stuff is thanks to the youtube channel Knyght Errant. The guy's awesome at explaining armors.

Well anyway, mail coifs

At first whenever I saw a mail coif, it'd be this:

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I'd then go: "Who the fuck in their right mind would ever wear that?"

Well the truth is... nobody. Not medieval knights or warriors at least. The mail coif is very misrepresented in todays history. We just have to look at some pictures from the Maciejowski bible, and we see that the mail coifs are actually very different from the previous misinterpretation.

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As you can see, all mail coifs depicted are tapered to the chin and the neck. They're not left hanging, and they don't leave one of your most critical areas - the throat - open for attack. Now some might say that drawings aren't a great way to find out about armor, since the artists might imagine things. I'd like to disagree. Most miniatures and arts found in different areas of the world, painted by different artists, have been pretty consistent with what they show in terms of armor.

Simply - they showed what was around during that time.

Two interpretations of this style of coif can be seen here:

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Both are correct. The first one is simply two separate pieces. One goes almost vertical on your head, while the other one goes the horizontally over it.
The second style is a mail coif which ends just below your chin, with then a padded ventail drawn over the face to protect the throat, chin and mouth.
Both cover much better than the crap we're used to seeing

Now there were a few ways to get the mail not to hang off your chin (as in the second picture). One way seen in some artwork is simple lacing. One would tie the mail securely around the neck, and it would not hang and bring extra weight.

There were many more configurations of mail coifs, but that would take ages to write. So instead I'm going to cheat and list this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJivNyTZv0Y
which explains them way better than I do.

Back to coifs

Coifs were never worn standalone. They always had padding underneath, and often also had something known as a Cervelliere, or Secret helm, worn under it. We can again see this in artwork where some soldiers who have their mail coif off are seen with this helmet under it:

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Sometimes they were worn over it, although this was rarer.

Now on to aventails

An aventail is the mail attached to a helmet (as opposed to worn under it), which would generally be a bascinet. As with the mail coifs, these always taper at the chin, which can be seen in countless artworks, effigies and findings from the medieval era.

This is not a proper aventail:

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These are:

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Well, if people still are interested, I might write about something else in the future

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General Discussion / Just some fun facts about the corrazinas no one will care about

« on: April 18, 2018, 11:37:37 pm »

The corazzinas in-game are actually quite unhistorical. And pretty unusable too, had they been real.

Narf based them off the infamous Met armor, owned by Basford Dean (met stands for Metropolian Museum of Art).

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Little known outside of the medieval community however, is that Deen really loved to take different armors and piece together components. The Met armor is one example of that, and it's really quite bad.

First off, the straps. Corrazinas did not have straps at the front. They were knightly armors, and knights had servants. Which is why they were designed with the straps at the back, so that an opponent would not be able to cut them off in battle and expose your oh so sexy chest.

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This is one of the best examples of a real surviving corrazina.

Another thing you may have noticed, which is what makes the armor really unusable, are the plates under the waistline. Cheastplates always taper at the natural waist, and everything under that needs to be flexible. Something achieved with having segmented lames. You can see it better on a later 15th century breastplate:

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(this is from the youtube channel Knyght Errant btw, check him out!)

Anyhow you can see that everything beneath the waist is segmented, to allow it collapsing when moving and not restricting your legs. The Met armor? Nope, all it has is one solid skirt (well almost completely solid, solid enough). Good luck moving in that.

If we take a look at one of the corrazinas in-game, you can see that they're 90% modeled off the Met armor.

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Just thought I'd put that out there

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General Discussion / A proposed tweak

« on: April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm »

If you have ever seen me in-game chances are I was using the Milanese armor together with the Great Bascinet. Long story short I got annoyed at how the Great Bascinet had no rigging, and decided to fix that myself (not the hard way mind you).

So I copied a rigging of one of Narfs packs, pasted it on and from what I saw it worked fine. At the same time I decided to remove the besagews (those round thingies) from the milanese armor set.

Pic:

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https://imgur.com/a/pENnf

Anyhow, the 'milanese set' is not really milanese, it's french. Well it is milanese, but it was made in french style for a german count. Confusing I know. So my proposal is;

Paste some rigging on the Great Helm
Remove the besagews from the milanese set because they're piss ugly
Rename the armor to 'French Plate'

If the devs are too lazy, I have a brf file with this all done. All credit goes to Narf and whoever made that great helmet.

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General Discussion / Last question, I swear (for now)

« on: March 16, 2018, 11:31:03 am »

Can someone provide some screenshots for the new black/sliver armors. Frankly I'm too impatient to wait for the store page to be updated, but I'm short of money so I don't want to buy them just to sell them a minute later

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General Discussion / Yet another question

« on: March 16, 2018, 11:12:09 am »

Yes, I always spam forums with questions, because I don't join until I've stockpiled a shitton of em

So, if I decided to create a model, who do I send it to for reviewing so that it may get added?

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General Discussion / Is there any way to get rid of the starting items?

« on: March 16, 2018, 10:59:57 am »

So i created this new char and now I'm stuck with the items. I don't care for the spear and 1hander because I actually use them, but I have no use for the 2hander and the mail shirt it's just sitting there in my fucking inventory and bothering the crap out of me like the autist I am.

So, how do I get rid of it?