1h cav :D1h cav is a pretty balanced build since you need both enough speed and damage enough to kill with bump slashes.
That HA build seems to have little WPF. Does it really affect much? Kind of curious.
That silly HA build is something that native would doIt has enough for the PD, and is fairly accurate. You'd be surprised. People see HA's and assume they aren't going to hurt, then it rolls around and does crazy damage, regularly oneshotting people in light armor.
15-24 is the only way to go as an ha imo
the problem with 1h-cav builds is zero IF, it is one of the most important skills, reduces damage taken considerable to zero IF and increasing amount of hit points. that's why i asked you. or i will just not give any points to athleticsif you can afford a horse always, do it. Ride or die :)
2H-BuildThey are both good balanced dedicated 2h builds.
21/18(click to show/hide)
18/21(click to show/hide)
Oops just read that you test those builds.
Nevermind. I keep them posted but tested both often and they work fine.
Swashbuckler>insert your build. We all know you're the swashbucklin' man in NA. 30/9 for you isn't it?
I like your 21/15 1h horse build.You want at least 100 wpf in a melee weapon, at 100 you use the weapon according to stats listed on the item. More than that doesn't actually do much though that is noticeable until 170+ WPF, and that is a really small gain in speed. I'd suggest 115 or 120 onehanded, rest pole arm. That would be better.
However, I am wondering...what if I wanted a horse build that can also use polearm. ON the ground, mainly a shielder but can also whip out a glaive or use a lance if the situation calls for it.
This is mainly a question about wpf. Do you think that:
WM: 5
one handed: 130
Polearm: 89
is enough? Or would it just be too slow?
HA with only 2 ha points? pretty useless.You're so far in you don't even know there is a box.
15-24 with 4 HA is the only way to go
I'd like a good 1h shield build. I don't plan on using heavy armor.21/15 is the most solid 1h build by far. Does good damage, can take hits, can use a huscarl, moves decently. Is best with a sword for the reach, rather than something shorter like a warhammer. That doesn't mean warhammers are bad with it, you'll destroy people still but you need to get closer first.
Any ideas on why NA 2 handers seem to pump more str thn in EU?
Its reallllllly efficient, I personally use and 1 hander and no shield, and I can keep with most agi oriented 2 hander due to the basic speed of my weapon being faster, compensates for the lack of WPF.Piggy backing on this, agility is a double edged sword. Your athletics makes you move faster, can give you a bit of movement speed bonus but you'll pay less attention to correct footwork direction usually by crutching on the speed. it makes you a worse player. Your athletics means you move faster at the enemy too, so your speed bonus works against you as well, especially when you step into their swing...
3/36Steel shield, champion Courser or cataphract/plated charger if you're a total baller, ????, victory bumps
12 riding
11 shield skill
111torch skillone-handed
The only way to go. This is the only build you need.
3/36
12 riding
11 shield skill
111torch skillone-handed
The only way to go. This is the only build you need.
Any ideas on why NA 2 handers seem to pump more str thn in EU?
Let's say I'm fighting a 15/24 agi 2h on my 36/3 build.
Thrower shielder, you will hit relatively hard with both trowing and mele weapons on this build.oooh, this is a good build. I approve +1. Definitely the way to go as a thrower hybrid. I think I'm going to do an instant 30 of this.(click to show/hide)
The agi just take a pike or any weapon with a longuer reach than your and attack the str while standing out of reach :D1) YOu have to step towards the strength build with your pike when you go to do damage, or you'll just glance when you try to backpeddle away. The strength build isn't going to chase you, he'll pull you in instead by backing up. You go get a pike and i'll duel you on my gimmick all strength build. If it was a 30/9 or more sane build, It would be even less of an issue. Backpeddling doesn't do anything.
He don't need to hurry, the 36/3 will never reach it if the agi don't wan't to, well if the agi build is in an hurry, he could just poke the str guy will he's figthing another guy, he won't get the kill but who care? It's called teamwork.
Isnt Cyranule a shielder/spent his time strenghtbucklin' (hey this will be my new term I think)Not at the time of the photo, it was during a 2h generation.
Going 1h/shield again, and I loved the 21/15 cookie cutter but just got a MW langes and want to really hurt, so I've been considering different builds. Originally thinking about 24/15 cookie cutter but don't like the lack of IF. I devised one that looks pretty awesome on paper.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 24
Agility: 12
Hit points: 75
Unused skill points: 1
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 8
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 4
Athletics: 4
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 139
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Main cons are I'll be a little slower and my shield will break a little easier, but the extra 16 hp seems really tasty, especially if I put some heavier than normal armor on. I have one unused point which annoys me, I guess I could put one into throwing weapons and bust out some darts, or swap out 1 IF and put 2 into riding for the lulz.
Either way I'm looking forward to it. I've felt fast enough with 3 ath so far provided I don't let myself get backpeddled, so I'm feeling positive.
Good build, but heavy armour will make it a bit slow.
IMO, heavy armour is crap. Makes me too slow for my taste. If you don't mind being slow, it's a solid build.
Yeah I'll have to see how it plays for me. I'm normally a fan of lighter stuff but it's so tempting to synergize the 75 hp with 60-70 body armor that I'm willing to adjust a bit :)
I am going to have to disagree with you on the HA builds Marathon, i think you missed the purpouse of HA, it is not about riding, stopping your horse, then shooting, nothing like that.
While you say there is no noticable difference between 2 and 4 HA i can assure you there is, beeing a dedicated HA for a while, every thing bellow 3 HA for a HA is useless, at 2 HA you can only shoot target which are 1 meters from you at full speed.
I dont find the damage to be such a problem with the 15/24 build. Of course, you are right on 1 point, with the 15/24 build you will have problems with tincans, but they only form a small portion of the enemy, HA purpous are not to kill the heavy inf, but to wipe out the light cavalry and skirmishers( archers, throwers, light inf and so on...) which you will do perfectly with the 15/24 build.
Your builds (27/12) cant really be described as HA, with this build you are forced to stop your horse each time to get an accurate shot, nothing horse archery is about.
In addition, if u are forced to go on foot,the high WPP (173) let you make very accurate shots, and if you have heiloomed bows, enemy armors wont be a problem :)
Hello Marathon,I like that you have direction with your characters -- do you play on NA? Your name seems familiar.
I am atm working on 2 new Characters. The final goal of them will be 34/35, no matter how long it takes. CRPG is a game where you play as long as you can, like in other online games. Its static :)
First of all my 1h Shield Cav/Foot Character:
On some maps horses are not that good, thats why I choosed Athletics.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Polearm Cav/Foot Character:
I want to be good without a horse too, same as my other Character.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
I am going to have to disagree with you on the HA builds Marathon, i think you missed the purpouse of HA, it is not about riding, stopping your horse, then shooting, nothing like that.You don't have to stop moving, besides all HA benefit a little to slow down when firing if it is deemed safe. The build in question [27/12] is less accurate with less fire rate in exchange for lots of damage. It is just another way of playing HA. I have 4 different HA builds listed in the first post, and 15/24 as being the one that everybody swears by [although I don't prefer it]. But that in no way means these other ones are not equally effective in other players' hands. They have different combat roles. 15/24 has the very specific role you listed. 21/18 or 18/18 are well rounded and do the very same thing with also being able to add more DPS to the team; while 27/12 is a highly mobile high DPS character. All different, but not inferior.
While you say there is no noticable difference between 2 and 4 HA i can assure you there is, beeing a dedicated HA for a while, every thing bellow 3 HA for a HA is useless, at 2 HA you can only shoot target which are 1 meters from you at full speed.
I dont find the damage to be such a problem with the 15/24 build. Of course, you are right on 1 point, with the 15/24 build you will have problems with tincans, but they only form a small portion of the enemy, HA purpous are not to kill the heavy inf, but to wipe out the light cavalry and skirmishers( archers, throwers, light inf and so on...) which you will do perfectly with the 15/24 build.
Your builds (27/12) cant really be described as HA, with this build you are forced to stop your horse each time to get an accurate shot, nothing horse archery is about.
In addition, if u are forced to go on foot,the high WPP (173) let you make very accurate shots, and if you have heiloomed bows, enemy armors wont be a problem :)
I request a build for a Long Spear user, I don't really know if I should go str or agi, any recommendations? Agi seems the best option (as it's support) but I don't know if it will glance a lot.The 18/21 2h build works really well if you just put pole WPF instead. Really, pikeman can be strength, balanced, or agility builds. Agility is more likely to glance, so you want some PS. I recommend balanced.
I like that you have direction with your characters -- do you play on NA? Your name seems familiar.
You've got a long road ahead of you.
thx for your answer!Ahah Alright. I think there is a guy named iceman in NA who is cavalry.
I only play on EU with my 3 Chars called, IceManX, BalinX and Advori.
I am from Europe and the NA latency doesnt rly fit to me, its around 100-200 when I try to play it. On EU its around 30-50 :)
Cepeshi, your thrower/1h hybrid i suggest a few less conversions and probably more agi. I have the 21/15 thrower build listed as probably the most sound of the thrower melee hybrids. You're gimping your melee by having 6 PS but 27 strength -- and you don't have enough WPF for your throwing? That will be a big big issue when you get the 9 PT and can't pick up anymore. You need to either get more agi or cut 1h wpf to almost nothing... Which is not good.
This is my proposed build. Similar to the 30/9 build at the beginning of the thread but minus the athletics. I use a long blunt weapon (long hafted mace) and a crossbow (mid-level). My question is theoretically is my 2H high enough? I'm not a great player, my KD is rarely positive, but I like the playstyle. Critiques?You need the athletics man. that 6 HP more is not worth cutting the athletics on such a low agility build. And yes, the 2h has enough WPF.(click to show/hide)
I have a build request:You need 13 WPF per PT. You get exactly 130 WPF with 3 WM. You'd have to be naked. The only real way to 10 PT thrower is 30/12. And it is no melee...
My thrower was broken since the previous patch and now with the new wpf requirements it still is.
I'm not sure what the new requirements are, but I'm guessing 12 or 13 wpf needed per level of PT.
The build would have to be a pure thrower with an effective PT of 10 with some wpf to spare so I can wear some armour.
Spare points would go into athletics and PS.
If possible, tested to see if the amount of wpf is sufficient for 10 PT.
Thanks :)
*EDIT*(click to show/hide)
Would you consider this Solid?1 athletics 10 IF. Only change. ...I have a character like it and yes it is solid with a faster/longer 2h. Use a Goedandag/Miaodao or greatsword! (The goedandag is best)
Strength: 36
Agility: 3
Hit points: 93
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 11
Power Strike: 12
Two Handed: 113
Crossbow/Bow build:WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS
9 Strength
30 Agility
143 Archery
150 Crossbow
10 Athletics
3 Power Draw
10 Weapon Master
Accurate dart thrower but still damaging. 27/12 sucks, something else plox. AND i will wear light armor, so athletics approx 5.I did a 8 PT 5 Athletics /5 wm /5 PS dedicated thrower before the patch and IT was effective then! I imagine it is still really good now, but I'm a big fan of the 21/15 thrower build.
Btw
I do use skip the fun but there's that cooldown thing, wtf?
Made a STF horse xbowmen. Only went to 7 str because that's what is needed for light xbow. In my char I brought xbow prof to 171 and polearms to 80 wpf.That is a decent horse xbowmen build. I've done it before and it works... Just horse xbowmen isn't that great imo? You can however dodge everything with such high riding :).(click to show/hide)
Going 1h/shield again, and I loved the 21/15 cookie cutter but just got a MW langes and want to really hurt, so I've been considering different builds. Originally thinking about 24/15 cookie cutter but don't like the lack of IF. I devised one that looks pretty awesome on paper.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 24
Agility: 12
Hit points: 75
Unused skill points: 1
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 8
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 4
Athletics: 4
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 139
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Main cons are I'll be a little slower and my shield will break a little easier, but the extra 16 hp seems really tasty, especially if I put some heavier than normal armor on. I have one unused point which annoys me, I guess I could put one into throwing weapons and bust out some darts, or swap out 1 IF and put 2 into riding for the lulz.
Either way I'm looking forward to it. I've felt fast enough with 3 ath so far provided I don't let myself get backpeddled, so I'm feeling positive.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS
That silly HA build is something that native would do
15-24 is the only way to go as an ha imo
Did I read "chase down"?
God, just use my build, 100% works for archers and with new armor reduction/armor soak stats it doesn't bounce off at all if you use footwork.
Just use Yanmadao.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 6
Agility: 33
Hit points: 41
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 2
Shield: 0
Athletics: 11
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 10
One Handed: 190
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Srsly, it is fully playable. Fast running will never be the same, with 11 athletics YOU are setting rhythm of the fight, not your opponent.
I usually just fight faster and faster so my opponent ends up not knowing where he is :>
And don't forget about stuns - you have to remember to block twice in 90% of cases, or just simply jump out if your opponent swings. ]:->
It's a 2h, so better animations than 1h, deals
Not really, especially not with the new failstab animation.
especially when he is talking about mace which doesn't stab :lol:
True, but even so :P I was merely pointed out that 2h animation is not supirior 'just because'
Tried the same with a 1h and it didn't work out as well.
1h with 130 2h wpf?
Ok...
Can I send you gold cuz this knoledge is priceless!Glad you like it :D, But there is no need to send me gold. What would I do with it?
That is... Interesting and nice to see. I may just have to try that as a 2h or polearmer for my 21/18 builds from now on. Don't need weapon master anyways if you aren't a hybrid, in my honest opinion.(click to show/hide)
I really dislike builds that have agility but don't max the athletics (or riding if cav).
18/18 would do better for you than 18/21 since you are adding throwing. What do you gain for that one WM? Is it necessary? [the answer is no]
Also, a throwing only build like 30/12 is only good for skip the fun, sadly. You need the PS for a melee at the very least. 9 PT is the highest throwing build that can melee. That is 27/12.(click to show/hide)
That is... Interesting and nice to see. I may just have to try that as a 2h or polearmer for my 21/18 builds from now on. Don't need weapon master anyways if you aren't a hybrid, in my honest opinion.
This deserves to be bumped again. I wish it were stickied, or at least used/linked in Tears' guide.Why thank you. I really need to polish it and fill it out, though. I think I would be happy with it then.
Requesting a cookie cutter archer build for my STF char (lvl 30 apparently), I don't want to use long bow because it feels too slow, I rather shoot more arrows.
Thanks!
Requesting a cookie cutter archer build for my STF char (lvl 30 apparently), I don't want to use long bow because it feels too slow, I rather shoot more arrows.18/21. as listed in the thread start.
Thanks!
18/21. as listed in the thread start.
If you want to just go pew pew pew with a horn bow, 15-24 works pretty well for cookie cutter... but the damage is so low in my opinion.(click to show/hide)
I wanted to add a great 1h/thrower hybrid that you probably already found out but I'm loving:I have the same build as a hoplite right now. It is the way to go for a balanced throwing + shield character.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
* Strength: 21
* Agility: 15
* Hit points: 56
* Skills to attributes: 2
* Ironflesh: 0
* Power Strike: 7
* Shield: 5
* Athletics: 5
* Riding: 0
* Horse Archery: 0
* Power Draw: 0
* Power Throw: 7
* Weapon Master: 5
* One Handed: 104
* Two Handed: 1
* Polearm: 1
* Archery: 1
* Crossbow: 1
* Throwing: 120
You can go armoured shielder with a huscarl and 3 jarids. I don't feel to disadvantaged with the low 1h wpf since I use an elite scimitar. Pick is a good alternative too.
If you hit lvl 31, you can contribute an attribute point into 2 skill points and get 3 IF. If you hit level 32, you can add another 3 IF.
My new favorite 1h build:
* Strength: 21
* Agility: 18
* Hit points: 70
* Skills to attributes: 8
* Ironflesh: 7
* Power Strike: 7
* Shield: 0
* Athletics: 6
* Riding: 0
* Horse Archery: 0
* Power Draw: 0
* Power Throw: 0
* Weapon Master: 3
* One Handed: 130
* Two Handed: 1
* Polearm: 1
* Archery: 1
* Crossbow: 1
* Throwing: 1
Fast enough to run around and ruin everyone's day with your super-fast 1 hander.
Piggy backing on this, agility is a double edged sword. Your athletics makes you move faster, can give you a bit of movement speed bonus but you'll pay less attention to correct footwork direction usually by crutching on the speed. it makes you a worse player. Your athletics means you move faster at the enemy too, so your speed bonus works against you as well, especially when you step into their swing...Is it really so easy to decide?
Higher WPF does not allow you or them to spam. I regularly double-swing people on my 36/3 build and destroy them because direction you step and swing in > speed of the speed and direction you step (besides it is a very small amount you get from wpf..). Weapon speed effects your attack speed more than WPF. Remember that.
Let's say I'm fighting a 15/24 agi 2h on my 36/3 build. This is a more extreme example, but you'll get the point.
1) He tries to circle me. I match his turn rate because athletics doesn't touch character turn rate, and he ends up walking into the direction of my swing and gets onehit.
2) he tries to backpeddle me. I don't chase him so he just looks like a coward playing with himself 10 feet away while I go back to killing dudes. If he comes back we'll fight like #3.
3)He fights me straight-up and is at a severe disadvantage due to needing 4-8 hits to kill me, while I need only one or two to kill him. He does not swing any faster and can not break the block-swing cycle.
4) Due to his low HP amount he can not risk to do chambers, while I can risk 2 or 3 chamber attempts safely while knowing I won't die to his weak swings. If I chamber any of his side swings I'll win the fight.
5)If he glances due to his low damage, which is likely, I automatically win because he can't block my swing.
6) He tries fancy footwork side step spam stuff and just steps into a swing and dies.
7)He gets to fights a bit faster than me. If a team of strength builds fight a team of agi builds with equal skill, the strength will win every time. getting to the fight faster means nothing if you can't take 2 hits when you get there.
Can someone make a list of various Hoplite builds?I've posted a lot on these in other hoplite threads, including stuff on every hoplite spear's pros and cons. I could go through and find them but I'm going to bed right now. Remind me tomorrow espo.
Also weapon comparisons?
I've posted a lot on these in other hoplite threads, including stuff on every hoplite spear's pros and cons. I could go through and find them but I'm going to bed right now. Remind me tomorrow espo.
Isn't 21/15 a bit slow for a hoplite build?Nope. 5 athletics is plenty for any build.
Nope. 5 athletics is plenty for any build.
But I put the full spectrum of all the builds and their pros and cons for people.
give me a strength mounted man at arms for mainly polearms, wpm necessary?Well, that is the question I have to ask. Is this going to use heavy armor? Is this going to split wpf at all? If so, you need some WM. If medium/light armor and only pole wpf? No WM is needed, which can add the extra oomph to a build.
I noticed that with only 4 riding I paid more often for horse.Anecdote. To my knowledge nothing is in effect about riding in regard to horse breakage chance.
Anecdote. To my knowledge nothing is in effect about riding in regard to horse breakage chance.The upkeep is a bit random so maybe it was only bad luck as I had 4 riding.
Unless someone can refer me to a dev post.
Has anyone else used this build and does anyone really feel a difference from the athletics change?
can you do me a 1h shield/ spear/ cav thats good on the ground and good on a horse (light/light medium armour) must have 4 riding and decent (5+)
PS so i can actualy kill. not sure if this build will go over 30 but if it does ah well ill give it ago
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 2
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 5
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 120 (145)
Polearm: 100 (1) (not really needed, so be better to put all in 1h)
18/18 build would be a choice too without if and "only" 6 ps
Holy Moly, that's my EXACT current build, and I like it very much.It is a good 1h+pole + cav infantryman build. Imo the best, most balanced one.
My prior build was 21/18, no iron flesh, 130 1h and 60 pole, 4 riding which, i have to admit, I really like having Ag18 ath6, and is another viable option, that I may return to, 2-3 iron flesh is pretty worthless imo, unless your wearing super heavy armor... -edit- woops, wait that was at 31 lol
Also, as a 1h, anything less than 21str, on foot, is underpowered, and will lose you many a standoff, unless your leet and loomed heavily.
Hey Marathon how was that 1h/Spear/Shield/Throw build working for ya? I'm trying to build a hoplite that can throw, not sure where to balance it out. Might have to ditch 1h?You can only get 50 1h wpf, which can work. But ditching 1h altogether is a valid option.
You can only get 50 1h wpf, which can work. But ditching 1h altogether is a valid option.
It worked pretty well. Very versatile, but did not specialize anything.
going back to the hoplite. Is light armor viable? Or heavy armor essential.Light-medium armor.
Edit: I'm trying to build off 21/15 but somehow still maintain some speed. I was wondering if I should go light armor/short spear or just go heavy and warspear. Trying to stray from support and being able to fare somewhat better 1v1 w/ the spear.
Archer+1 handed+Shielder.Oh man, this is an interesting request. These are a really hard hybrid to use well. So many stat points need to be filled for this.
Build please, I really like the look of these, whether they are battle effective or not.
I need a weird build. Looking to have 2h/throwing. Maybe pure PS + Athletics + Throw? I'm looking to use something like light armor, the Nodachi (or heaviest Katana) and throwing stars?This build is a fun hybrid. Light armor 2h(or other melee) + throwing.
Is this viable at all?
Edit: If this is not viable, should I use the 18/21 build for my character? Again, light armor + heavies Katana. Or should I got more agility oriented?
Many thanks.
If you want to do that build I suggest a mamluk horse.
Hey the 21/15 1 handed build seems like I can't even get a hit on anyone anymore due to my swing speed. How is this....? Nothing has changed regarding swing speed. The only changes in 0.240 & 0.241 are bouncing off terrain and teammates.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 15
Agility: 21
Hit points: 60
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 5
Athletics: 7
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 7
One Handed: 141
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 105
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
What do you think is the best 13 shield build? 4 Ath, riding, or some other combination.Is this a skip the fun? a permanent level 30? I assume it is. 4 athletics; unless youw ant to be interesting and get 2 ath and 1 ps or 1 PT.
Since my thread has gotten all views and no replies. (And I don't know jack shit about archers)So you want an archer/melee hybrid.
I really like a lot of the builds you outline and was wondering what you would suggest for a horn bow user in light armor? The direction I wanna take is archer emphasis but I want to have enough "umph" with my melee to whack jackasses that get too close with a single slot 2h or polearm.
You mean agi has nothing to do with swing speed? If not what does besides wpf? I just kept getting double swung on constantly. I wasn't able to get a swing off on my turn most times. Now I am 12/20 at lvl 26 and I am finally able to retaliate.Agi does not affect swing speed. It does increase WM which gives WPF which does affect it. At 100 (effective) WPF you use the weapon AS STATS ARE LISTED.
I tried all the weapons but depending on my mood I switch now between 3; elite scimitar, steel pick, and broad one handed ax. I carry a spear as well.
Does this mean a STR build would benefit a PA user better?Glaive and LHB are only going to glance if you have poor distance control on an agility build.
Say I wanted to specialize in glaive or LHB, would 15/24 glance too much?
what now would you say is the best build for a skip the fun hourse archer?15/24 or 18/18 as listed in the starting post.
give me a good hoplite build, agi and STR. WM optional. I had tons of fun with my 27/12 man at arms build, but range is pissing me off :/I have a post somewhere listing every hoplite build. Not sure if it is this thread or a hoplite specific thread. I'm not going to find it, though.
I've started with cRPG only a couple of weeks ago, and I find myself hooked.
After the initial frustration of completely and utterly failing at crossbow sniping, I've switched to a 1h shielder build, the very cookie cutter in the original post.
21/15 with 7 IF and 7 PS by level 30. I'm at 19 now and still trying to figure out what armour and weapon to use in the long run.
At the moment I'm trundling about with my plate covered round shield in a mail hauberk, leather gloves, mail chausses and a helmet with neckguard, the leftovers of my failed aralbest career. And I'm swinging/thrusting a warhammer.
Considering I'm still just an average player on a good day and keeping the upcoming upkeep in mind, what armour/weapon/shield combination would you suggest? I've yet to digest the complicated formula for determining my wpf loss, but I'm hoping 146 by level 30 should be enough?
Cheers!
Hi, I'm new to this game. Can anyone give me a good build for CUTTING SWATHS OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION THROUGH THE PEONS THAT BEFROM ONE NEWB TO ANOTHER; HMMMMM, I THINK 27/12 OR 24/15 IS GOOD FOR YOU.
I'd very much appreciate any advice you could give regarding choice of weapon and armour. It's difficult for me to figure out where my problem is - gear or skill (personal or character), but I tend to die quickly against long axe spammers and polehammer spammers. This game definitely needs a stamina bar that drains when attacking.It is skill. I suggest lightish armor like Tunic over mail with leather gloves, mail chausses, that type of light-medium gear as a shielder.
I'd very much appreciate any advice you could give regarding choice of weapon and armour. It's difficult for me to figure out where my problem is - gear or skill (personal or character), but I tend to die quickly against long axe spammers and polehammer spammers. This game definitely needs a stamina bar that drains when attacking.
Okay, I took both your advice and tested Marathon's lighter armour suggestion first on random siege games yesterday. I felt much quicker on foot than with the mail hauberk and didn't notice being much more vulnerable than I already felt. When switching to a borrowed Light Mail and Plate (because it looks flash and only weighs .5 more than the brigandine) with a kettle hat, I was noticably slower to move, but my swings didn't seem to be affected. And I think I survived a few more hits than I did in light armour.
Maybe it's just subjective. I also tried my buddy's Espada Eslavona and was surprised how often I would actually hit. That length difference really seems to do it for me. I'm slightly miffed to lose the blunt damage and knockdown possibility, because it feels as though I glance off of armour quite regularly now, even at power strike 6. Maybe it's just my poor positioning.
As for the shield.. the most important part of a shielder, I suppose. I didn't realise how incredibly vulnerable a huscarl shield is compared to a plate covered one. I thought 400 hp should be a lot, but... it seems the shield's damage reduction plays a much greater role.
Thank you guys for taking your time to answer my pesky little questions, but here's one more :)
From your own experience, do you think 18/18 would give my shield noticably more durability and my weapon greater speed? Would it be worth sacrificing power strike 6 and ironflesh?
Edit: As a side-question: Is it practicable at all to try riposte against polearm and two handed weapon users? I'm trying to find some way to defend against long axe fighters without relying on a shield that'll break.
Also, when he said riposte he was referring to manual block.
Also, 100+ping is awful. Play wherever you have best ping. I play with 90 ping on the official NA servers, and it sucks.
I apologize for using the incorrect pronoun, but that is not going to change it from my default when used on the internet.
Any onehander with 96+ speed is fast enough to hit an enemy with, assuming you swing on them right after you hear their attack bounce off your shield. Luckily that is pretty much EVERY onehanded weapon.
You've got it pretty well with those weapons. Choose the espada if you like to thrust a lot, otherwise use the knightly arming sword.
Again, weapon choice is play-style. You'll figure out which one works best for you.
As for the shield? Plate covered round shield is alright. Huscarl is amazing, but it is 2 slots. By no means is the plate covered round shield bad, but if you ever encounter that 10 PS strength build using a pole axe? It is going to die in 2-3 hits. But so is pretty much every other shield, so you'll have to live with that.
I completely disagree with you spawny. A 2hander can only double swing on the 1hander if the 1h can't follow the enemy's movements. [keep the enemy in the center of your screen or turn into your attack, either workks]
I ALWAYS swing back and NEVER get hit out of turn. I'm sorry, but needing toalwaysever do that means you have a mistake in your footwork that you need to fix.
Blocking twice is only needed if your weapon is stunned, but that doesn't really happen with a shield... And that is not exclusive to 1 handed swords.
While learning your footwork? You may need to block twice. Every time you die though, you'll see where you went wrong.
I completely disagree with you spawny. A 2hander can only double swing on the 1hander if the 1h can't follow the enemy's movements. [keep the enemy in the center of your screen or turn into your attack, either workks]
I ALWAYS swing back and NEVER get hit out of turn. I'm sorry, but needing toalwaysever do that means you have a mistake in your footwork that you need to fix.
Blocking twice is only needed if your weapon is stunned, but that doesn't really happen with a shield... And that is not exclusive to 1 handed swords.
While learning your footwork? You may need to block twice. Every time you die though, you'll see where you went wrong.
If you keep him in the centre of your screen, he's running away from your left-right hit, so you have a negative speedbonus, which will make it glance. Overhead is too slow, stab is too slow.Try strafing in the same direction as he is, looking slightly to his right, and left swinging. If at any point you think you might have messed up the timing, then play it safe and block.
Well, you can hit first with a right-left swing in the situation I described, but that will just glance (even with a steel pick or warhammer). If you keep him in the centre of your screen, he's running away from your left-right hit, so you have a negative speedbonus, which will make it glance. Overhead is too slow, stab is too slow.
You can turn into your swings, but I consider that a bit more of an advanced dueling technique and not something you should start with as a shielder.
On that note, maybe you can give me some advice on that part. I've been practising that on the duel server yesterday and I find it very hard to turn into my swings as deep as others do without losing track of the duel.
Try strafing in the same direction as he is, looking slightly to his right, and left swinging. If at any point you think you might have messed up the timing, then play it safe and block.What vodner said. And you can actually overhead or stab them too once you get the hang of it.
Eventually you will be able to tell when somebody is going for a castor based on their footwork, and the counter will become second nature.
Another trick is to simply kick them when they sidestep & double swing you. That takes some practice in the duel server to get down, but what you have to understand is this: When they go for a double swing, their second swing on your right side they have to be touching you. they HAVE to be in kick range for it to be fast enough to hit the untrained player. Any player that gets that close automatically opens them up for a very easy to do kick. As soon as kicked, you get a free swing on them.
I don't necessarily recommend you doing this yet, but keep it in mind to learn later In a duel server.
Well, wow... it feels as though everyone was running circles around me, even in the heaviest armour I could think of. I had a black armour tincan with a flamberge circle around me and slash at my side before I could even turn into his direction. That was on EU, mind. I switched to NA an hour later, and actually managed to do relatively well.. 19 20 was my end score between map changes.You aren't matching their foot directions.
i am outraged by this thread. absolutely outraged. there is only one build in all of crpg that is worthy of mention.
30/9 1hand
30 str
9 agi
0shield
3wm
3ath
10ps
10if
132 1hand wpf.
armour
Long Espada Eslanova, of doom.
the end.
As far as I know, slower weapons benefits even more from the speed bonus of the horse, so 2h should be really painful if you can charge and get the highest speed bonus, so a fast horse is a must.slower weapons =/= more speed bonus from horseback. No advantage to a slower melee weapon except for a slightly longer chamber-animation window.... and even that isn't confirmed to my knowledge.
You shouldn't go into blobs, you're WAY too slow to be able to stand here and slash.
i am outraged by this thread. absolutely outraged. there is only one build in all of crpg that is worthy of mention.
12/24 1hand/shield.
12 str
24 agi
8shield
8wm
8ath
4ps
1if
172 1hand wpf.
armour of 5weight or less. huscarl or heavy kite shield.
axe or grosse messer.
the end.
If you want to use a 1 slot crossbow, use crossbow and steel bolts with Miaodao. Go 15/24 and get 100 xbow proficiency then maximum two handed.
If you want to use a 2 slot crossbow, use arbalest and steel bolts with Langes Messer in secondary mode. Also go 15/24 but get probably 80 or so two handed proficiency then maximum xbow.
Oh my! I haven't been on the forums in a long time! I took several months off of playing for life.
I see my thread got stickied while I was gone! You guys make me feel loved <3!
I think this deserves some more loving. I've got a good idea to make a video on all of the subtle timings that players and duelers should know in battle. If you guys support that idea, I'll do it.
Oh my! I haven't been on the forums in a long time! I took several months off of playing for life.
I see my thread got stickied while I was gone! You guys make me feel loved <3!
I think this deserves some more loving. I've got a good idea to make a video on all of the subtle timings that players and duelers should know in battle. If you guys support that idea, I'll do it.
I very much like this idea, getting tired of standing 0-10 in siege battles, so all help is welcome xD
I want to be the most powerful 1 hit character with a decent enough speed to block consistently, I'm using 36 3 atm but it is a little slow, I also want to use a polearm preferably the glaive or scythe.
hi, guys.
I want to use Two-hands weapon and xbow.
Can i get some advice?(for build)
Hey guys, I'm currently using the 21/15 1H shielder build. What would be the most efficient armor(s) to wear with this? I'm guessing it should be fairly light, since I rely on my shield for armor.
Strength 31you know this thread is for level 30 builds, you might confuse someone with your level 32 one
Agility 9
Weapon proficiency
Available points: 5
One Handed 133
Skills
Iron Flesh 10
Power Strike 10
Athletics 3
Power Throw 1
Weapon Master 3
Reposted for glory and posterity.
Also, I see a big mistake in your build, Bob.
30 str is better than 31. Instead convert the ability point into 2 skill points and pump them into Power Throw, if anything.
He's on the way to 33 strength :P
Hi guys, I'm new in this game, and i'm going to create a new charatcher. I want to be good in1h(but no shield) because i will use a bow or a crossbow, and be a kind of hibrid between melee and range. Is this possible without too much penalties? (I don't won't to be killed with only a hit by 2h or polearms guys, or to be useless with both my waepons).1h + Xbow. Bows don't hybridize well, but xbows do pretty well. Melee-ranged hybrids don't take many hits to die. You're probably going to die in 2 hits to almost all melee. That's the price you pay to be able to shoot at them and kill them from far away.
So:
-what do you consieder the best build for one who will use range and 1h waepons?
-do you suggest me to be more speed or it's useless?
-crossbow or bow? I suppose that the former is better for a build that do much damage, and the later for one that is fast, right?
-What melee weapon do you suggest me?
-And about the range one?
Thanks very much for every kind of help and sorry for the (veryveryvery) bad english!
I've already done a topic, but i suppose this is the plece where someone can ask a build, right?
1h + Xbow. Bows don't hybridize well, but xbows do pretty well. Melee-ranged hybrids don't take many hits to die. You're probably going to die in 2 hits to almost all melee. That's the price you pay to be able to shoot at them and kill them from far away.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Anyone know a good master of arms build? I've seen Diggles use it. I don't understand how he has enough points in any given category.Elaborate what you're requesting.
Elaborate what you're requesting.I think he wants a "jack of all trades" build. Like 1h+shield+xbow+polearm or something like that. I don't think this is the right thread to request such a build though.
I think he wants a "jack of all trades" build. Like 1h+shield+xbow+polearm or something like that. I don't think this is the right thread to request such a build though.Nah, it can be. Keep in mind you only really need 100 - 120 wpf for any melee proficiency. Split melee wpf builds are good, and in that case I assume he means 2h/1h/polearm/shield
Nah, it can be. Keep in mind you only really need 100 - 120 wpf for any melee proficiency. Split melee wpf builds are good, and in that case I assume he means 2h/1h/polearm/shield
Splitting multiple proficiencies PLUS a ranged? Not enough wpf. need wpf for ranged.
Stuff like this works.This is just an example, 18/18 or 15/21 has more diverse options including cav. Play around with the calculator, jsut make sure you get at least 100 wpf for a weapon you plan on using in melee.(click to show/hide)
100 WPF = use weapon as stats are listed. Less than 100 wpf = penalized some speed/damage. More wpf = slight increase in speed and damage. 200 WPF is ~ 17% more damage for reference.
Note armor lowers your wpf. Don't do a 3 weapon hybrid in anything above 10 weight body armor...
Right now I am trying out pole build 30/12, 10PS, 4Ath, 3 WM (130wpf), and I am very satisfied. 65 hp is enough, and since I am lvl 28, even 9PS work like a charm, especially with pierce weapons.Glad to hear it! Probably one of the best melee builds.
Anyone know a good master of arms build? I've seen Diggles use it. I don't understand how he has enough points in any given category.
Thinkig about that hybrid, skimmed trhough tread but didn't find it144 isn't enough to have full accuracy with arbalest. It is enough for xbow, though. It'll work for arbalest, just don't expect long range shots to hit often.
Planning to use 2 sets of equipment:
Medium (35-40) armor, round or board shield, warhammer (or maybe some pick or mace) and xbow, with possibility to grab 2-slot shield and go without ranged,
Light (15-25) armor or maybe even jsut clothes, arbalest and some lighter melee wep.
Is 144 wep enough for arbalest? I know that 170-ish is better, but really would like to have ability to go melee once in a while..(click to show/hide)
I use:
21/18
4 PS
6 Ath
7 PT
6 WM
154 throwing wpf
Pretty awesome aim, decent footspeed and you can wear medium armour without risking a penalty to PT.
Combined with heavy throwing axes or jarids this will pack a punch.
The 4 PS can be switched out for 4 IF, but I like being able to do some damage with my axes in melee mode and not be completely defenseless in melee.
Glad to hear it! Probably one of the best melee builds.
pure 1h build? Lvl 30"pure 1h" is indeterminate, so You'll have to elaborate what you mean.
eh actualy pure meaned that i will just stick to 1h and shield,no throwing,riding and that stuff.
i planned 18/18 with shield,if,ps,athl 6 and wm 5,but i am afraid that this is too weak. 5ps is too weak,i have mw weapon but i need 4-6 hits to kill someone.
my current stats are 17/15
shield,ps,if,athl,wm all 5. Tis is too slow,and too weak.
Mlekce, I used that on a STF char and Its rly tanky (ofcourse If u like it)
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hitspoints: 70
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 146
Pros: Almsot only 1hits.
Cons: Slow, Shield gets destroyed quite fast
and
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Hit points: 59
Skills to attributes: 8
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 146
Pros: More damage than the upper one
Cons: lower If tahn the first, and rest is same.
Even the stab on a mw nordic champ sword can hurt people in plate.Yep, yesterday I used the "arabian homo sword" (26cut, 19pierce, worst stats ever ftw :lol:) and pwned some heavy armor 2 handers with it. If you hit them right, the stab always hurts, even with only 19 pierce.
I want to make stf throwing /one handed or twohanded hybrid (maybe use longsword?), agi based with at least 5 PT. Any advice?
What do you think about this build?(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
You guys are missing the point... 3/35 with 13 shield skill is the only way to go... ever see the practice shield take 30 hits from the great maul? Diddnt think so..We've all seen the 3/39 TMNT turtle shield builds that can't be broken, everyone's made a 13 shield STF :).
Both are amazing. I see the no WM trend has finally penetrated my topic. I purposely leave WM in all my listed builds although I don't use it for dedicated melee.(click to show/hide)
or(click to show/hide)
Suggestions?
I'd like to add my personal hoplite build to the list, a simple 24/15 build that is much like your own Marathon:The good old 24/15, it and all it's forms are the standard NA build. Not surprised you are using it for a no WM hoplite. Good though :)Useful if you're an offensive player looking to abuse your pole stagger for your teammates. It is not recommended to use this build until you know what you're doing, which in the meantime I would suggest putting more points into iron flesh instead of power strike. I also use very light armor with this build giving me the dexterity to do without additional agility.(click to show/hide)
Both are amazing. I see the no WM trend has finally penetrated my topic. I purposely leave WM in all my listed builds although I don't use it for dedicated melee.
I like 24/15 because I like to do more damage. But 21/15 is safer. Your choice.
The good old 24/15, it and all it's forms are the standard NA build. Not surprised you are using it for a no WM hoplite. Good though :)
I do prefer max WM for a dedicated hoplite, I am surely assuming you put the shield away 1v1. If you do, then eh, no wm is perfect.
Speaking of Weapon master, Having no WM on my pikeman brunchlady is yielding amazing results. Results such as "god, how much wpf do you have??? Has to be at least 150 minimum!". I have 109.
Not going to list the build, it's unique as far as I know and it will finish at 32. Perfect for my playstyle, probably not for others anyways.
I have this build on my STF alt:I honestly think 21/21 and 24/18 are the best builds right now for battle (not siege though). Maybe not the highest KDR builds, but they rival close to them and are more fun.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 21
Hit points: 62
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 3
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 7
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 0
Polearm: 114
And I combined it with a swiss halberd (basically any polearm will do) and it's amazing. Very fast on my feet and I still hit pretty hard. Attackspeed doesn't seem to be an issue, I only have a hard time against the high agility + katana builds.
I've never read into wpf too much so as to understand the reasoning behind putting too many attributes behind it and frankly, I'd be able to spare one or two points into WM but that still wouldn't result in too much of a difference. I need the 8 PS to provide a healthy polestagger to scare off shielders and such that push too hard into our line.
Both are amazing. I see the no WM trend has finally penetrated my topic. I purposely leave WM in all my listed builds although I don't use it for dedicated melee.
I like 24/15 because I like to do more damage. But 21/15 is safer. Your choice.
Thanks! :D and yeah, it's not much difference between 114 and 148. :)repairs is pretty much the only reason to get wpf as a single melee class.
Does WPF affect repairs?
repairs is pretty much the only reason to get wpf as a single melee class.
If I'm by chance going pike+1hand build, should I take 18-21 or 21-18? And to which weapon should I invest more WPF? If I could get an answer in the next 30 mins I'd be really grateful :Dis your 1h only a side arm and not a main weapon? then put only 110 in it and everything else in pole.
I need some advice on 18/21 2h/xbow build.I want to use maily 2h and have xbow for some chasing or fast damage,how should i split the wpf points? something like 100xbow and 1462h?
im looking for a 1h+shield+ 2h lance/pike/spear for support, pike and long spear ar 3 slots so is not possible to use them, wich spear could be a good choice? maybe lance?You can carry a longspear, a 1h and a buckler if you really wanted.
ty in advance.
round steel bucker and steel bucker are 0 slots?i know for sure the 3 shield one is 0 slots.
my gear at the momment consist on a heirloom swod and a heilom shield, so i only got 2 slots free, maybe is a good choice ashwood pike or heavy lance for support?ashwood. Isn't sheathable though.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 65
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 6
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 91
Archery: 140
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
so you're saying i should drop 10 wpf in archery and put it elsewhere?I wouldn't. 90 is enough pole prof.
I wouldn't. 90 is enough pole prof.Alright cool, thanks.
Can I get some help on building a pole/archer build? I've messed around in the character calc and came up with this. Would there be a more effective build for level 30? I still want to use my Yumi as well as my Hafted Blade effectively.
Hello, im new to c-rpg and I need some help with a good archery hybrid build, I see people with bows just shoot away and if someone comes close they just 1 shot them with a 1 hander or 2 hander, I have close to no idea what im really supposed to be doing since I never played the single player and c-rpg is prity much my only meaning to playing M&B, like what should i start putting points into first and stuff like that is what im really looking for, I would greatly appreciate the help and thanks in advanceI have two examples of this on page 1 : archer/2h hybrids.
lvl 30, Agi based 1h/sh:Can you tell me why you don't max out PS? I mean this is the most important skill for melee and you can easily sacrifice 1 point of wm or if. I guess oyu just made a little mistake. :)if you really suck at manual blocking this is your build(click to show/hide)
a more stable and versatile agi shielder would bethis toon was my preferred choice for a long time, you are able to outmanouver through high athletics or go ranged my old friends hunting,(click to show/hide)
you have exceptional high wpm which gives you the edge when facing 2h spammers or just enables yourself to spam a bit
you have decent polearm wpm combined with a long polearm, cav will either let you slip though or been stopped by you
all in all a nice build to be on the flanks
Can you tell me why you don't max out PS? I mean this is the most important skill for melee and you can easily sacrifice 1 point of wm or if. I guess oyu just made a little mistake. :)nope i didn't, PS is overrated.
nope i didn't, PS is overrated.Well, I mostly use low cut damage swords with high thrust damage and I experienced that 4 ps is the minimum for me. And as everyone is using high str builds these days I don't wanna need up to 5 or 6 good hits to kill someone. And even though I agree with you that ATH is just as important as PS, I'm still for maxing out PS. But yeah, you use a steel pick so that's a difference.
1. moving with your strike for extra dmg. jump for overhead, forward for trust, move from left to rigth for left attack and vice versa
2. aim for low armor areas. Head/Hand/Foot.
3. Hold your attack a little bit longer open for extra dmg
these alone would help you to get over the former glancing tresholds(dunno if that is still needed), look for weapons who have dmg spikes, high cut like broad one handed battle axe or sashka, elite skimitar, broad one handed battle axe, ... same with blunt or pierce.
I prefer pierce for along time now as it rarely glances with even high armor values. Yes i need to strike guys more often on a regular base, so?
[EDIT: The most important skill for infantry is athletics, but as your statement, this is an opinion, the most important skill for me is shieldskill as i am well aware of that i am dead meat without my shield, that is not an opinion that is a fact]
I think that people who are not as good as you in footwork and don't know the game mechanics that well should take the 1 point more in PS though.
Hello, im new to c-rpg and I need some help with a good archery hybrid build, I see people with bows just shoot away and if someone comes close they just 1 shot them with a 1 hander or 2 hander, I have close to no idea what im really supposed to be doing since I never played the single player and c-rpg is prity much my only meaning to playing M&B, like what should i start putting points into first and stuff like that is what im really looking for, I would greatly appreciate the help and thanks in advance
I have two examples of this on page 1 : archer/2h hybrids.This is a balanced 18/18 archer/melee. Try this out, if you prefer faster but weaker -- more agi less strength. If you want to hit harder but be slower/less accurate - more strength.(click to show/hide)
Hey Spytraa. Just a few pointers to throw out to a new player (and to answer you last question).
It doesn't matter where you really put points first in a build. I mean it can matter. But just keep your point spending balanced as you aim towards a build, and you won't screw anyting up. I usually go 3 Str, then 3 Agi, then 3 Str... as I go up. Of course If I'm going a 24/15 build, then I stop at 15 Agi.
However, at times you may need to put more points early to Strength... if you need a requirement to use a weapon. Example... a melee weapon has a Difficulty 15. That means you need 15 Str to use it. Then (personally), once I got to 9 Str - 9 Agi, then I'd put my next 6 points in Str... so I could get to 15 Str quicker. You have the same with bows... but their Difficulty means Power Draw, not Strength. But just in the same, you need Strength for Power Draw... so you may want to put points to Str & PD early on (instead of something like Iron Flesh). If you plan on melee-ing at all, then try to keep Power Strike maxed out (but not at the cost of Power Draw, if you are a primary Archer). And if you ever plan on 1-hitting guys, you'll definitely need a good bit of Power Strike. And in truth... if you want to 1-hit guys... you should probably go 2-handed (but see the info on "Slots" below). Either way, you should avoid melee with Heavy Armored guys. And either way, to so degree, you'll have to learn to block with your weapon... though maybe less so with the 2-hander... in hopes that you kill them quicker (in less hit).
As for builds... just as Marathon mentioned... check out her Archer/2-Handed Hybrid builds on page 1 (the 2nd post). You can substitute 2-hand for 1-hand if you want... and here's an important reason why you may want to.
Slots: I'm not sure if you know about slots. Each character gets 4 slots. Some weapons take 1 slot, some 2, & there's even a few that take 3 (though only a few). For your concern, you'll only have to worry about 1 slot and 2 slot weapons. Mind you, a quiver of arrows take 1 slot.
So here's the deal when it comes to bows and slots. The first 6 bows only take 1 slot. The last two (the most powerful & accurate, though the slowest at rapid shooting), which are the Rus Bow & Longbow... they are both 2 slot weapons. As mentioned, a quiver arrows take 1 slot. So if you eventually plan on going the Rus Bow or Longbow route... then you'll only have 1 slot open... and you'll have to go with a 1-handed weapon.
But something to keep in mind is... the Rus Bow & Longbow are more expensive to upkeep than the other bows that only take 1 slot. And you may find you like the rapid firing of those cheap bows. If this is the case, and you only take 1 quiver of arrows... then you could go with a 2-handed weapon (or even a Polearm).
Note: A lot of players seem to go with the 1 slot bows (i.e. Nomad, Tatar, or Horn). And they carry 2 quivers of arrows (which takes 2 slots). And then they carry a 1-handed weapon.
2nd Note: A lot of players use different weapons depending on their Multiplier (hope you know what this means, not going to explain it right now). At x1 they'll use sucker, but less expensive, weapons. In your case, that may be the Nomad bow. Then when they are at x3 or higher, they switch to the Horn bow. That's just an example. And you can do the same with your secondary melee weapon and armor (body, helmet, gloves, & legs).
Another thing to keep in mind is... do you want to use a shield. If so, you'll need to put at least a point in Shield. Personally, if you are primarily going to use Range (even if you are an Archer Hybrid), I'd not take a shield. One, you are spending points in shield, when they could be put to better use. And two, shields slow you down... even when on your back. As an Archer, running speed can be critical. And it's no use putting your Athletics at 5 or more... just to have your shield slow you down where a 3 Athletics guy can catch you.
Hope this stuff was a help?! You may have already new this stuff... but there it is for you or future new players.
Thinking of a 1h/shield build with a stabbing one hander (LEE, Italian, Knightly Arming).You could still go:
21 STR
18 AGI
0 IF
7 PS
6 Shield
6 ATH
4 WM
Thoughts? Would it be appropriate for stabbing? I'm also a bit worried because of the 0 IF and low HP.
Anyone know a good master of arms build? I've seen Diggles use it. I don't understand how he has enough points in any given category.
Or my build:
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Hit points: 63
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 6
Athletics: 6
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 150
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 60
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Why did you put points in pole if you do not have riding?
Hoplite alternative mode? Why not?
Not sure what is longer. Long espada + crazy onehand thrust bonus or spear with shield?
IMHO 60 points in xbows will complement this build more.
light xbow + steel bolts cost less than ashwood pike. And with loomed xbow and bolts you literally receive 12 throwing lances (60 pierce damage).
Just suggesting.
I'd rather take 6 shield skill or even 7 when I'm planning to go 21 agi, spawny. As a dedicated shielder I always max out shield skill and 7 shield makes your shield quite durable.
18/18War spear is flat out the best stand alone pole arm, and it is not too bad when used as a support hoplite weapon either.
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 6
Athletics: 6
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 111
Polearm: 128
I am looking for a hybrid build, this one is my idea for a 1h+shield+pole char, I already got the 1h and the shield heirloomed, but dunno wich polearm I should heirloom, I am looking for a versatile pole possible to use with shield and withou shield not bad as a 2h pole, my choices are war spear or war fork, what do you think? any advice?
What do you guys think of this pure archer build?The yumi is a terrible bow. It is awful. Avoid it at all costs unless you are dead-set on using it. It has terribly slow projectile speed, When i see people using it I get all filled with glee since I can wait for them to fire THEN dodge since they fly so slowly at me. Make's me feel like I'm in the matrix.
I don't really know about the IF/ATH dispersion, kinda clueless there.
Going Rus bow if that matters.
And what about arrows? Is double tatar going to give me a huge rep cost? Double bodkin? Bodkin/Normal Arrows?
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or archer/1h with Yumi:(click to show/hide)
The yumi is a terrible bow. It is awful. Avoid it at all costs unless you are dead-set on using it. It has terribly slow projectile speed, When i see people using it I get all filled with glee since I can wait for them to fire THEN dodge since they fly so slowly at me. Make's me feel like I'm in the matrix.
also: I wouldn't split prof too heavily. with 50 wpf in a melee is enough to be able to hit people and retaliate. You don't need 92 and to sacrifice that much archery wpf. Archery wpf is really really important. I personally sacrifice none and carry melee with 1 wpf (since I have good attack timings, etc)
NEVER SACRIFICE ATHLETICS FOR IRONFLESH. This should be a rule I should write down somewhere. Your second build has 0 ath but 4 if. No.
Your first build would be fine for dedicated archery, although I think these few are the best current archery dedicated builds, I should have them on front page. I've been slacking. They are all variations of the same thing. speed/power trade offs.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Updated OP
I've been trying it for the passed few hours, but can't seem to kill anyone. I either die way too fast (damn cavalry) or my shots don't seem to do much.You shouldn't be dying until nearly last man left standing with that build. You shouldn't get so close to anything that you die...
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This struck me as the right spot for a first post. ;DTerribly unrealistic. Archery is going to be almost all of your Weapon proficiency points, or you aren't going to hit the broadside of a barn. Meanwhile, you can get away with 50 to 75 melee proficiency in your melee weapon of choice. Melee can almost never be "spammed" to death with even 1 wpf point, it comes down to footwork [Matching enemies' footwork patterns/not getting circled/stepping into your swings] and attack as soon as you hear the sound of you blocking. Best of luck to your archer/2h hybrid ^_^.
My (eventual) build plan is going to be a 2H/Archer hybrid, using the bow more as a backup than a regular tool. While I may be (VERY) new to cRPG, this has been a build I use quite often in all the single-player games, and have quite honestly grown comfortable with. As such, I was wondering if you (or anyone else for that matter) would be willing to help me hash out the details of building a character like this?
I'm very inexperienced with the leveling system here (usually stuck to Native SP 'til I found this) and don't really know how things work in such right detail. However, from what little I know I realize my goal will most likely be a 21/15 2h/archer with doubtfully for than say 50-65 thrown into archery. If this idea is overly unrealistic, an 18/18 build weighing onto the side of the 2H would strike me as an applicable idea as well.
Hey marathon or anyone else for that matter I'm looking for a build that will let me keep attacking non stop, not a tank but I think I'll use the analogy that you used earlier a BB gun with a jet engine. Basically something that is going to have to keep them blocking and not having an ability to attack back. Although with the analogy of the bb in mind maybe something with a little more oomph (just a little I can't block so I mainly rely on attacking)That doesn't really exist, for a good reason. If you could just attack and spam all day and get kills, it wouldn't be balanced.
Terribly unrealistic. Archery is going to be almost all of your Weapon proficiency points, or you aren't going to hit the broadside of a barn. Meanwhile, you can get away with 50 to 75 melee proficiency in your melee weapon of choice. Melee can almost never be "spammed" to death with even 1 wpf point, it comes down to footwork [Matching enemies' footwork patterns/not getting circled/stepping into your swings] and attack as soon as you hear the sound of you blocking. Best of luck to your archer/2h hybrid ^_^.
Even now at level six with a short bow and basic arrows, I find I'm able to hit most anything at a range of about fifty yards or less. As I said before, I was wanting my focus to be on the melee, not spamming in any means but simply being a feasible opponent to others, standing a chance in battle, and racking up enough kills that I'm not entirely useless.I didn't say you'd be spamming people, just that you only need 50-75 melee proficiency for melee. Melee WPF doesn't honestly do that much. You can put the rest in archery so you can be accurate and do damage.
I've come to understand what you mean about footwork, and I realize it's going to be a lot of work learning how to handle it but this is by no measure an impossibility for me.
While I realize I've got a lot to learn still, I DO stand by my belief that this is at least a viable build to attempt. I simply wanted a generalized idea on where to lead it. I don't yet understand all of the intricacies that go along with building any form of character in this game, let alone one along the lines of a more complicated "hybrid."
hey marathon nice thread.There was a thread probably a year ago that showed the accuracy levels of xbowing reaching their max accuracy (assigned by the accuracy rating) at certain WPF levels.
"Is at max Accuracy for both of them, more WPF only makes you reload faster at this point -- hence the 100 melee wpf. "
Can you explain this, xbows have max accuracy? different per xbow? how do you know this?
do you know how much wpf to max accuracy with arblest?
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How come my 2handed sword needs repairs after every round so far...i lost 8k in the past couple of minutes, and i have 130 WPF, is that too little or am i just unlucky? The rounds dont even take 4minextremely unlucky.
Yeah I noticed that right away :D But for siege it´s actually acceptable imo, since there is so much stationary combatNo, it isn't. Not even for nearly stationary combat. The movement penalties are too great.
If you want to be a dedicated xbower I would use an arbalest and a 1 slot 2h like the mace or langes messer both of which are good 2h just short in range. But if you want to be more melee than use the regular Xbow and any 2slot 2h. The amount of ammunition you're given should last you for the entire round unless your a dedicated Xbow using a lighter Xbow than an arbalest and you may burn through one package of steel boltsDedicated thrower, no melee? You need plenty of athletics in my opinion (Cyclopsided I do 21/18 thrower + melee, and i'd like more athletics for when I throw)
Edit:almost forgot I'm looking for a throwing build using either war darts or heavy throwing axes. I'm not sure if Id rather hit hard using a lot of PT or have high WM and just go for headshots
If you want to be a dedicated xbower I would use an arbalest and a 1 slot 2h like the mace or langes messer both of which are good 2h just short in range. But if you want to be more melee than use the regular Xbow and any 2slot 2h. The amount of ammunition you're given should last you for the entire round unless your a dedicated Xbow using a lighter Xbow than an arbalest and you may burn through one package of steel bolts
Edit:almost forgot I'm looking for a throwing build using either war darts or heavy throwing axes. I'm not sure if Id rather hit hard using a lot of PT or have high WM and just go for headshots
can you give me some 34 lvl build? I plan to use polearms and 2h swords,maybie some riding in that build,but not nesesary.Just flesh out whatever level 30 build you're doing! Let's say you went 21/18 at level 30 with 7 PS/7 IF/ 6 ATH/ 3 WM with 130 2h wpf
Can you suggest a horse lancer build for me please
I can use 1h/shield when I am on foot
Any ideas for Ha?15/24 HA is on first page
I can use polearms too,but no must
I'd actually use a 21/15 build. You can't use all horses but with a good lance you're quite hard hitting and you can still be effective on foot. You have to sacrifice shield and athletics a little, but you'll still have enough to keep up with the str-stacking noobs. Also I only use the rouncey as cav anyway, best horse for it's price imo...(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
I'd actually use a 21/15 build. You can't use all horses but with a good lance you're quite hard hitting and you can still be effective on foot. You have to sacrifice shield and athletics a little, but you'll still have enough to keep up with the str-stacking noobs. Also I only use the rouncey as cav anyway, best horse for it's price imo...the maneuverability and speed or 7/8 riding = you won't get dehorsed and have way more chances to hit others. You pick and choose all your fights.
Me again. Can you suggest a 2h/horse build? Thanks a lot.same builds but 2h wpf instead of polearm
Could anybody reccomend a good throwing build. Specifically a faster one with at least 6 ath?That's the 21/21 dedicated thrower build you're looking for.
I don't care about sacrificing PS or WPS, I just want to be able to run away, throw fast, and be somewhat able to kill things.
That's the 21/21 dedicated thrower build you're looking for.
7 PT
7 athletics
3 WM
alll proficiency in throwing
I started my 2nd gen char. I want to make a good archer, so im using the fast/light archer build in the OP. So far im lvl 22 with 18str so i can use the top bows. Now i only plan to use remaining points in agi for athletics and WPF, but i wonder if i should use some WPF for a one handed weapon.No. if you want to use melee, use it with 1 WPF.
Im not that good in long distances so i often fight close to the fighing and tend to get attacked. Im using just a wooden stick to block attacks but i cant do much dmg with it.
Should i get some 1h WPF or not? :)
hm, now i cant decide.Don't use the yumi. Saved you that trouble. It's an awful bow.
Im using Rus bow atm.
Should i use it with just one stack of arrows +a decent one hander
or
2stacks and a wooden stick :D
or
Use Yumi isteand with 2 stacks and a decent one hander?
same builds but 2h wpf instead of polearmDo you mean the 1h/lancer builds in the original post?
Level: 30
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 8
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 4
Athletics: 6
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 85
Polearm: 140
OR TWO HAND 140
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)Level: 30
Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 8
Ironflesh: 2/0
Power Strike: 8
Shield: 3/4/5
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5/4
One Handed: 85/57
Two Handed: 130
OR POLEARM: 130
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)What is a good archer hybrid with shielder build?Sounds like a bad idea.
Why so? because of the too much spread-out skills you have to put in order make it a little bit efficient?yes. You end up bad at both. if you do it, make sure all your WPF is in archery and not in a melee. you can maybe spare 50 points for 1h wpf if you want, though.
it is a hybrid that is only DECENT at level 30.
Why do you need so much WPF in archer then? So much in Weapon Master and so much in Athletics. I was more hybriding a Shielder with a archer, or atleast thinking of it, im testing it out right now. I was thinking in stead of 7 Athletics and 7 Weaponmasters of 5 in ATH and WM, 4 in shields (heavy round shield) and 4 in IF.Because you want to actually hit things with your bow.
I'm thinking of building my char (level 24 18/13) into this:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Hit points: 68
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 6
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 148
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Should I adjust something or is this a decent build? (using a Claymore atm)
Because you want to actually hit things with your bow.Following up on this, I did a 15-21 Archer + 1h + shield hybrid. Carried a 2:1 KDR and topped my team several times. It is good if you play safe and can aim for heads. Only have 1 stack of bodkins so you should take your shots carefully.
copy paste your build from char calc at level 30 and i'll look at it. you'll want to max WM and ath on it always for an archer hybrid. No matter what attribute distribution.
here's a standard level 30 build. I'll do this for a STF in two days, i'll tell you how it plays. Post a screenshot of KDR or something.(click to show/hide)
What should i add to a 1h-shielder? I dont know what fits best....Throwing or Pole arm are both really good alterations of 21-15 1h/shielder.
I thought about crossbow, polearm or throwing.
this would be my shape:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 70
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 148
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
hi new to the game, first build, what do you guys think?
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 22
Agility: 15
Hit points: 67
Skills to attributes: 4
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 6
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 138
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 71
going to use the heavy throwing axes, but two hand as main damage dealer
Unless you are looking to build for higher level, you want to stick to intervals of 3, since that is where you get skills, stick wih 21-15 and get 7 powestrike and 7 throwing (you probably need more throwing wpf for this though)
hi new to the game, first build, what do you guys think?you NEED more throwing WPF.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 22
Agility: 15
Hit points: 67
Skills to attributes: 4
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 6
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 138
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 71
going to use the heavy throwing axes, but two hand as main damage dealer
i already converted 4 skill to stat points :( i was reading on your 2h/archer build and thought that skills to stat:2 meant that you hit the button twice :(there is the option to convert a stat point back into two skill points though! you didn't HAVE to place it!
i also just flip flopped the wpf in that build,
can you suggest an ideal build for a 2h/thrower?
i just think it would be fun as hell to run up on two guys and smash one in the face with a throwing axe then jack up the other with my 2h sword
i noticed a lack of dedicated throwing and hybrid throwing builds...30/12, 30/9, 24/18, 21/21, 18/24 are all dedicated throwing builds
30/12, 30/9, 24/18, 21/21, 18/24 are all dedicated throwing builds
21/15 is the best hybrid throwing build.
Hi, have a question is that last build (xbow + melee hybrid build) good??? even if I change the wpf, 146 xbow to 146 polearms and 100 to xbows?
Any. Depends how you want to play! Be fast? Be quick?
Can Some one say me, wich can be a good 2H Russian Build?
Any input on a 1h swashbuckler build? Don't know if I want to go agi or str based yet, and I'm a fair bit from retiring my 21/21 polearm dude, but it is nice to think ahead.1h With no shield, just pick any 2h or polearm build that suits our playstyle and put wpf in 1h.
I am not sure what I expected you to tell me. Maybe I thought that there was a super secret balling-out-of-control build laying around specifically for one-handed folks. Maybe this question would yield more of a result. What are the generally agreed upon (if there is such a thing) superior weapons for swashbucklin'?I once asked why the Long Espada ist the most expensive sword (it's obviously not the most effective) and someone told me, that it's made for "swashbucklers" and because they don't have to pay upkeep for shields the upkeep for the LEE is higher than the normal 1h weapon.
Any. Depends how you want to play! Be fast? Be quick?
Is this Russian themed, or to play IN russia with other russian players?
TBH just do this:(click to show/hide)
Yeah, the idea was a Rus themed 2H build; any way, that build looks great, i take out 1 point from athletics and put it in WM. Thanks :Dnono, take a point form ironflesh for WM, don't remove athletics! Never sacrifice athletics!
I am not sure what I expected you to tell me. Maybe I thought that there was a super secret balling-out-of-control build laying around specifically for one-handed folks. Maybe this question would yield more of a result. What are the generally agreed upon (if there is such a thing) superior weapons for swashbucklin'?
I once asked why the Long Espada ist the most expensive sword (it's obviously not the most effective) and someone told me, that it's made for "swashbucklers" and because they don't have to pay upkeep for shields the upkeep for the LEE is higher than the normal 1h weapon.BobTheHero is the Resident NA swashbuckler. Guess what weapon He uses? Long Espada Eslanova. Because stabbing is hugely important. However, 1h stabs in particular are over-nerfed from the turn radius nerf. I personally would use a high end slashing 1h weapon (I own a MW scimitar, and I would go 1h/no shield with that any day).
I would use a MW LEE as weapon and I would also go for a strenght build.
nono, take a point form ironflesh for WM, don't remove athletics! Never sacrifice athletics!
BobTheHero is the Resident NA swashbuckler. Guess what weapon He uses? Long Espada Eslanova. Because stabbing is hugely important. However, 1h stabs in particular are over-nerfed from the turn radius nerf. I personally would use a high end slashing 1h weapon (I own a MW scimitar, and I would go 1h/no shield with that any day).
As for build? He swears by strength build. I personally think 1h needs a little more athletics, and due to the lower base damage of 1h weapons, his powerstrike does not amplify his damage as much as a 2h or pole strength build.
At level 30 he is 30/9. I suggest 24/15. I Would DEFINITELY have 5 athletics on it. I have watched him enough times to say 2 more athletics would do him good.
I think when my STF is up i'll do this too!Take a LONG 1h weapon. 100 or more length.(click to show/hide)
What's the reason for needing a very long 1h weapon?Range is everything on the battleservers imo. The right swing of the long 1h swords can be pretty nasty, because people often underestimate the lenght of 1h weapons. Also 2hs and poles will try to outrange you if they see you fighting with a falchion. But you can still go with a shorter weapon, I wouldn't do it though.
Range is everything on the battleservers imo. The right swing of the long 1h swords can be pretty nasty, because people often underestimate the lenght of 1h weapons. Also 2hs and poles will try to outrange you if they see you fighting with a falchion. But you can still go with a shorter weapon, I wouldn't do it though.This.
Can you tell me some 1h builds1h with shield?
Yo Marathon, just want to let you know that your advice on 1h is incredibly sound. I got myself a +2 long espada, and it works incredibly well. Poking things has always been my favorite mode of attack, and I don't think there's a superior poker to this thing. Got the light mail armours and 9 javs to chuck before I get down to cutting and poking, works quite well.
i need help. I had 21/15 build and i was thinking to do now 18/18 build but 6ps is realy crap,and i fear that 6 athl will not improve my speed that much to make big difference.
Any real difference between 5,6,7 athl if you use medium armor,and shield all the time?
If you really wanna throw lances with this char (remember, they require 7 Power Throw), i would use this build:thanks :D
Lvl 30
Str: 21
Agi: 15
skill points to attribute: 2
PS: 7
PT: 7
Ath: 5
WM: 5
Shield: 5
Weapon points:
110 Polearm
116 Throwing
Maybe put more points in throwing or in polearm, as you like.
But you will be slow and i think very inaccurate with the lances. I would rather use Jarids or something, so you dont need 7 in power throw and you can use an 18/18 build.
im new to cRPG need help with archery hybrid build or tell me it has no sense.
Level 31
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Skills to attributes: 6
Power Strike: 7
Power Draw :7
Athletics: 6
Weapon Master: 6
Archery: 150
Polearms :55
im new to cRPG need help with archery hybrid build or tell me it has no sense.
Level 31
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Skills to attributes: 6
Power Strike: 7
Power Draw :7
Athletics: 6
Weapon Master: 6
Archery: 150
Polearms :55
You can just split your WPF between 1h and 2h.
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Is there/has anyone tried a 1h build footman without a shield? I was thinking about testing that in my next gen.
Level: 30
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 2
Power Strike: 2
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 3
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 6
Archery: 154
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)yesCode: [Select]Level: 30using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 2
Power Strike: 2
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 3
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 6
Archery: 154
Would this one be good for my HA alt?
could some1 tell me how much wpf need crossbow for medium heavy geared crossbowman with polearm (hafted blade) and 3 raiding for rouncey, could some1 make solid build for it? :) :twisted: cheers3 riding is useless
I want a build for cav lancer and i was thinking of goingNot enough skill points tp fill out everything, just go 21/15 instead of 24/15
Level: 30
Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 8
Ironflesh 5
Power Strike: 8
Shield 2
Athletics: 2
Riding: 5
Weapon Master: 1
Anyone ever tried this shielder build?(click to show/hide)
Strength: 18I would get at least three shield. If you want to be a hoplite, and with this score system, the better the shield... the better. (go 5, why not)
Agility: 18
Hit points: 61
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 4
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 2
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 146
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Is this a good build so I can be a lancer, polearm inf, Hoplite? Or should I change the if and shield around ect?
Strength: 18you should have min 3 shield skill for hoplite (board shield)
Agility: 18
Hit points: 61
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 4
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 2
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 146
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Is this a good build so I can be a lancer, polearm inf, Hoplite? Or should I change the if and shield around ect?
If you want to be able to ride a courser and thus 6 riding, you can drop a point in shield or athletics, depending on your playstyle.
can you make a ha with 7 riding?Not intelligibly at level 30.
can you make a ha with 7 riding?18/21 3 ha 7 riding 7 wm 6 pd
Level: 30
Strength: 18
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 2
Ironflash: 5
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 6
Athletics: 6
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 122
Two Handed: 115
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Level: 30
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 8
Ironflash: 3
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 6
Athletics: 6
Weapon Master: 1
One Handed: 116
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)Level: 30
Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Skill to attr: 14
Athletics: 8
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 3
One Handed: 6
Archery: 129
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
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Go with 24/15 and then lvl it up to 24/18.And why not 27-15 for example? I just can't decide which is better at lvl 33...
Hey Can you help me with a level 32 Build as a pure archer. I will have 6 points left what should I do? Thanks in advance.atl ofc
Level: 32
Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Skill to attr: 10
Athletics: 3
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 8
Archery: 173
can i have a 1h throwing build please?plenty in the thread, read through
can i have a 1h throwing build please?
can i have a 1h throwing build please?
BUILDS
HUSKARL: A well rounded foot soldier utilizing his namesake shield(click to show/hide)
THANE: Heavy hitting SHOCK Infantry(click to show/hide)
I've been looking through some pages (about 7-10) and i haven't seen any 1h/polearm builds. Does this mean it's not viable to be that? And could anyone direct me to a guide that specializes in that? :D
Level: 19 22 25 28 30
Strength: 12 15 18 21 21
Agility: 12 12 12 12 12
Ironflash: 4 5 6 7 7
Power Strike: 4 5 6 7 7
Shield: 4 4 4 4 4
Riding: 4 4 4 4 4
Power Throw: 0 1 2 3 5
Weapon Master: 4 4 4 4 4
One Handed: 120 120 120 120 120
Throwing: 29 52 66 77 84using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)It is exactly what I would suggest. It is THE hoplite build.
Hey is my build alright? PS: ( I will never retire)
6ps 120wpf---2hander
6if 100wpf--crossbow
5athletics 75wpf-----Poles( Just to lance)
6wm
6riding
**I am mainly going to run on foot with my xbow
good idea thank you anyway 100 wpf should be enoughdrop if not wm
Instead of converting my points at level 34, shouldnt i go up until level like 36 and go 21/21 or 18/24 or 24/18 or whatever? Is that a good idea or does that sound dumb?level 34 is about 80m, 35 is 180 and 36 is 500m or something :rolleyes:
it is barely viable. Horse thrower is debatably the worst class of character (kills:Death wise) in cRPG.
But if I did it, I would do a hybrid OR just a skip-the-fun character.
a pure horse thrower, or "javalry" is typically like:
try it on a STF character(click to show/hide)
Some variations I was thinking of were to shift around points between PT and IF in either direction (I'm leaning towards throwing axes for shield breaking). Is 4 or 5 PT enough if it is melee focused with throwing as a support skill? Also I was wondering what a good balance is for the WPF, is it really needed for throwing or for 1h?
Thanks for any help!
This is my current build:(click to show/hide)
My goal was to make a 1h "with some throwing" for the occasional kill and I'm okay with this build. But if you really want to get kills with throwing you need 5 PT and more WPF. The build you got there looks good, I would use it the way it is.
Just out of curiosity, I'm trying to decide between the viability of a 1H thrower (which I currently am) versus a 2h Xbow.
What would be a decent build for 2h Xbow? I've been using NH's 1h thrower build currently with long arming sword and axes, with heavy round for shielding.
I think im going 2h or polearm next gen.Yeah, it is a fantastic build. Fast, hits decent, decent hp. Very "pure" build. Does one thing, but does it well.
18/24
3 IF 6 PS 8 ath
111 wpf pole or 2h
good build?
Yeah, it is a fantastic build. Fast, hits decent, decent hp. Very "pure" build. Does one thing, but does it well.
A tip for any 2 handers having trouble with people running backwards away from you or archers, you might want to put a little into throwing, as you can do some good damage without need much points into it. I have 13 throwing and I use darts or throwing hammers whenever someone is running. A fun thing to do is also to jump throw at there spawn, but you won't hit anybody. I'm level 22 and here's my build. Don't put more than 20 points into it though, you might get unblanced.You need at least 14 wpf in throwing per level of powerthrow. Otherwise you will be penalized in damage/accuracy, and can't pick up throwing off of the ground.
Attribute points:0
Strength:21
Agility:6
Weapon points:0
One Handed:1
Two Handed:108
Polearm:1
Throwing:13
Crossbow:1
Archery:1
Skill points:0
Weapon Master:2
Athletics:2
Riding:2
Iron Flesh:6
Shield:2
Horse Archery:0
Power Strike:6
Power Draw:0
Power Throw:3
I'm just curious as to why 18/24 isn't added onto this list? I mean it's a pretty OP build if you ask me :o.18/24 archery is there, But I don't have 18/24 dedicated 2h/pole on the list. Great builds but very glass-cannon-y.
18/24 archery is there, But I don't have 18/24 dedicated 2h/pole on the list. Great builds but very glass-cannon-y.
I would put them on the main list, but they are mentioned throughout the thread. They were not originally listed because it wasn't until this year that lower WM agility builds were popular and shown to be as good as they are. I liked them but did not list them for the main list.
what is the best build if you use a pike? 18/21 or 15/24? i also use a long awlpike and a long spear. my playstyle is either supportive and with the long awlpike pretty agressive.Support? 15/24. Considering you're EU, 15/24 sounds spot on. Pike/long spear slow you down an awful lot due to weapon length, punishing your speed, the extra athletics will help you protect teammates and save your life.
Support? 15/24. Considering you're EU, 15/24 sounds spot on. Pike/long spear slow you down an awful lot due to weapon length, punishing your speed, the extra athletics will help you protect teammates and save your life.good to hear, i loved the 15/24 build on my long spear and long awlpike but i wanted to buy a real pike too now :)
Just tried 24/18 cav with 8 ps 6 riding and 3 shield with lance, it's awesome! what do you think? 21/18 with 6 wm would be better?Can someone post this build?
Can someone post this build?It is exactly as how he described it, bare-bones, those three skills.
Thank you friends,0 WM does not mean 0 WPF. 0 Weapon master gives 111 WPF at level 30. That is plenty, especially for a 1h.
Well i should live whit my ping, i get ocassionals hits, for that i think i need some IF, but... 0 wp would not make my hit speed very slow?.
Ahh italian sword is very fast, nice sword !
Cheers. :wink:
In the other hand i can go to more level and try 21/18, so i can get 6 shield and 6 athletics,
If you're tired of grinding, why retire again? Just hit 30 and enjoy the game with your chosen build. As you play they game you'll hit level 31 and so on, and hey! maybe if you hit 33 you'll be 18/21.
I haven't retired in a year. I don't play often enough to grind through characters.
Well, why? What is the problem specifically. You have the epitome of a balanced build. Do you want to be faster? Do you want to hit harder? Do you want to be a specialist at one specific thing, or hybridized to do many?
I suggest you try every variation of builds on a STF character until you find what. Don't retire just yet. You have a very versatile build.
How do u guys get loom points if u never retire?Well, you don't.
Hey I'm a Horse Archer, and do I need an "effective armor rate" to shoot better or something?
What about archery?
Are we still being the homo/retard/my old friendchers/chocolate chip cookie/devhated/anticrpglore/nurfed/bullied/dont_try_to_understand_your_char_because_when_you_figure_it_out_unpredictable_changes_will_fuck_your_build/aka_ranged_is_op guys?
:?:
What do u think about this build for an HXyou're going to need more levels than that if you want to be both arbalest on foot AND HX at 15/24. Or, you're going to have to settle with 3 HA and this build of 15/21
Its possible to play with an Arbalest on Siege server and can fight on rageball servers. But i dont know if its better to put some points in onehanded.
Level 31 (8 892 403 xp)
Strength: 15
Agility: 24
Hit points: 50
Skills to attributes: 6
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 0
Athletics: 4
Riding: 8
Horse Archery: 4
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 149
Throwing: 1
So the shotgun and run build under xbow no longer works as light xbows take 2 slots alone, or am I missing something?agreed, i put so much time in getting my alt getting to lvl 30 and now it went from fun and useless to not fun and even more useless.
Edit: I ran it with 1 xbow on a quick 30, still amazingly fun, but not as useful as first intended.
So the shotgun and run build under xbow no longer works as light xbows take 2 slots alone, or am I missing something?oh shit yeah, Sorry I haven't updated this in a while.
Edit: I ran it with 1 xbow on a quick 30, still amazingly fun, but not as useful as first intended.
Would this be a good 2h/thrower build?do 5 IF, 7 PT instead of 7 IF, 5PT. power throw adds 10% additional throwing damage per level, it adds up fast. Also do 110 2h wpf, the rest throwing (like 118ish throwing wpf?) if you do what I am suggesting.(click to show/hide)
Level: 35
Strength: 15
Agility: 30
Attr to skill: 2
Skill to attr: 14
Ironflash: 1
Power Strike: 5
Athletics: 10
Weapon Master: 10
Two Handed: 180
Polearm: 98
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
do 5 IF, 7 PT instead of 7 IF, 5PT. power throw adds 10% additional throwing damage per level, it adds up fast. Also do 110 2h wpf, the rest throwing (like 118ish throwing wpf?) if you do what I am suggesting.
I'm trying polearms and plan on riding as well. How does this build look?yeah it is exactly what I would suggest. And as you hit higher levels it fills out nicely.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Skills to attributes: 8
Power Strike: 7
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Weapon Master: 4
Polearm: 140
yes.
More like this?(click to show/hide)
Couple build requests:I don't know about the changes with horses, sorry I haven't played since then.
What would be a good 2h cav build and what horse is the most viable nowadays?
Also, what would be a good build to go 1h/2h shielder hybrid with a langes messer?
One request from me too:horse throwing is just so bad unless they changed something recently and I am not aware of it.
Horse thrower/1h cav hybrid.
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Level: 30
Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 8
Ironflash: 5
Power Strike: 8
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 146
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Level: 30
Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Attr to skill: 1
Skill to attr: 10
Ironflash: 6
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 3
Riding: 7
Weapon Master: 1
One Handed: 116
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
good build?
horse - warhorse
heavy armorCode: [Select]Level: 30using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Attr to skill: 1
Skill to attr: 10
Ironflash: 6
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 3
Riding: 7
Weapon Master: 1
One Handed: 116
It's my first time playing, and I want to go the sword and board footknight route for my first dude. I looked at a few pages but couldn't really find anything.
Anyone got a good build? Some tips on weapons would be appreciated too :D
It's my first time playing, and I want to go the sword and board footknight route for my first dude. I looked at a few pages but couldn't really find anything.As suggested, 21/15 should be fine. But I'd pick a sword with that build, especially a long one.
Anyone got a good build? Some tips on weapons would be appreciated too :D
good build?Ride or Die!
horse - warhorse
heavy armorCode: [Select]Level: 30using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Attr to skill: 1
Skill to attr: 10
Ironflash: 6
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 3
Riding: 7
Weapon Master: 1
One Handed: 116
Is it viable to do the 27/12 polearm build this way:yes, 30/12 is a common and fun build. Rhaelys took it to high level and fleshed it out and made it boss, too.
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 30
Agility: 12
Hit points: 62
Skills to attributes: 11
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 10
Shield: 0
Athletics: 4
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 4
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you lose 1 shield (useless) and 7hp from Ironflesh ( 3 gained from additional str). For an additional point in PS.
I think extra damage at the expense of 7hp is acceptable.
Thoughts?
http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm
not working for me anymore :(Use this now: http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/
does somebody else have same problem? just not connecting to the page when im opening it :cry:
Use this now: http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/i just found it but the other one is more familiar to me :wink:
Use this now: http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/Or use cRPG Character Builder application which will work all the time :wink:.
i just found it but the other one is more familiar to me :wink:yeah it went down, so it goes.
Strength: 216 PD is all you need. Get more archery wpf. 50 1h wpf is enough to be good at melee, don't put anymore as an archer than 50 1h wpf.
Agility: 18
Skills to attributes: 8
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 4
Power Draw: 7
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 81
Archery: 142
Will this work? I want to be a pretty decent archer but I don't want to be horrid at melee. I'm assuming that 18/18 doesn't have enough power draw to do good damage, but if it does then that is most probably better because I will be able to get 2 more athletics and put 5 into ironflesh. I'm pretty decent at melee so I don't think ironflesh is THAT important when stats like power draw are at stake, but it is certainly better than nothing.
I will be using +3 Long Bow with +3 Bodkin Arrows and probably just a Broad Short Sword as they are so hard to get loomed variants of :(.
6 PD is all you need. Get more archery wpf. 50 1h wpf is enough to be good at melee, don't put anymore as an archer than 50 1h wpf.I see, thanks. How important is aths?
WPF is really important to archery. VERY IMPORTANT TO ARCHERY.
For that very reason my main character is a level 32 18/27 longbowman with 9 WM all into archery.
So yeah if you want to be an archer that melees, go 18/18 or 18/21
I see, thanks. How important is aths?Athletics is of utmost importance, but yes you cut it in 18/21 to 4 at level 30 (but if you get level 31 you pump it to 7 ath)
And if I get 80 wpf in 1h, I will only have 152 archery wpf as opposed to 159 if I get 50 wpf, will 7 really make that much difference?Yes it will make that much of a difference with archery. I find it quite noticeable. Man, seriously, believe me about 50 1h wpf. Stop trying to have all this unneeded melee wpf. You don't need that much wpf in melee anyways. melee wpf does not do nearly as much as ranged wpf does for effectiveness.
Strength: 18I personally suggest a lighter body armor, but that is a personal decision. you are receiving an accuracy penalty from it lowering your wpf with that set up, but if you find your survivability to be higher -- it may be worth it for you. But I don't.
Agility: 21
Skills to attributes: 8
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 4
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 7
One Handed: 80
Archery: 152
And how heavy is your armor?
At the moment I'm using 0.4 helmet, 8.5 body, 0.1 gloves, 0.9 boots.
Athletics is of utmost importance, but yes you cut it in 18/21 to 4 at level 30 (but if you get level 31 you pump it to 7 ath) Yes it will make that much of a difference with archery. I find it quite noticeable. Man, seriously, believe me about 50 1h wpf. Stop trying to have all this unneeded melee wpf. You don't need that much wpf in melee anyways. melee wpf does not do nearly as much as ranged wpf does for effectiveness.Good sir you seem to have a pretty vast amount of knowledge at your disposal.I personally suggest a lighter body armor, but that is a personal decision. you are receiving an accuracy penalty from it lowering your wpf with that set up, but if you find your survivability to be higher -- it may be worth it for you. But I don't.(click to show/hide)
My armor is weighted:
head: 0, Body: 1.5, Gloves: 0, Boots: 3.0
PLEASE NOTE THAT I WEAR ARMOR FOR STYLE AND TO MAKE SURE I HAVE NO PENALTIES OT MOVEMENT SPEED SPCIFICALLY. I don't suggest the same armor set up.
A more effective archer set up would be:
head: 0, body: 5 ~ 6, Gloves: 0.1, Boots: 0~1
that would result in no (or very little) wpf penalty and light-medium body armor, and thus decent survivability.
Good sir you seem to have a pretty vast amount of knowledge at your disposal.helmet weight and hand weight is multiply detrimental to archers. I don't remember the specific multipliers anymore since they changed them a few months ago.
I shall get less wpf then, how much of an impact will getting 50 have on my archery? With a Broad Short Sword, I don't know if I will need any whatsoever; I tried using a +3 Shortened Spear with 1 wpf and it was definitely fast enough.
Yeah, aesthetics are why I'm wearing the armor that I am at the moment, couldn't find any that I liked which was lighter but I shall look again!
Hmm, is helmet weight that detrimental?
helmet weight and hand weight is multiply detrimental to archers. I don't remember the specific multipliers anymore since they changed them a few months ago.I see, that makes sense :).
the 50 melee wpf does more for negating the penalty that you get for having less than 100 wpf. Having 1 wpf compared to 100 is effectively doing almost 2 PS less worth of damage. It additionally is Roughly 3-5 weapon speed slower (There is a formula and it depends on the base weapon speed and don't worry about the specifics).
basically, having 50 wpf is cutting that penalty in half.
100 effective wpf uses the weapon exactly as stats list it on the website.
and for example sake: 200 wpf is ~15% more damage and 3 to 5 effective weapon speed faster. Make sense?
yes these are not specific numbers, but they are close approximations because the formulas are stupid
So thats why melee wpf jsut doesn't matter all that much okay. Ranged wpf gets compounded all differently in respect to how important it is since it relates to accuracy, not just damage and speed.
polearm
18/21 ps 7 ath 7 vm
18/24 6 ps 8 ath 8 vm (lvl 32) or should I got with IF?
pls helpit is dependent on what you want
it is dependent on what you want
also your post is really confusing, not enough info
Post good hybrid specs!1h/shield/pole is posted like 15 times in this thread. usual recommendation of 21/15 1h/shield build with split proficiency, 100 pole and the rest 1h.
Like 1h/pole/shield
Xbow/Shield/1h
and so on <3
Even a good 1h/throw/shield spec
hiWeapons are about what you prefer to use. If you prefer faster but shorter / longer but slower and harder hitting / longer but weaker.
i need some good ideas on looming 1h weapons..
i need to make this build, a 1h with no shield
but what weapons are preferrable?
need 8 in PS
lvl30
WM 7
rest in maybe IF or ath.
any suggestions..
tnx
I am new to crpg, and i don't understand how can you have lets say 18/21 in lvl30, you need lvl34 to be able to have that much points. or am i understanding something wrong ? Also could someone help me out with 2h slow, high damage build and which could throw mostly 1hit kill jarids?
I am new to crpg, and i don't understand how can you have lets say 18/21 in lvl30, you need lvl34 to be able to have that much points. or am i understanding something wrong ? Also could someone help me out with 2h slow, high damage build and which could throw mostly 1hit kill jarids?
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 70
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 148
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
Level: 30
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 2
Ironflash: 4
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 4
Power Throw: 4
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 128
Throwing: 89
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
How would you make this to a 1h/throwing/shielder build? :Pokay first off you would NEVER sacrifice athletics.
Woulh this be good?Code: [Select]Level: 30using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 2
Ironflash: 4
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 4
Power Throw: 4
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 128
Throwing: 89
How does my Archer Build look?oh god you are all over the place, if you had converted 2 skill points to 1 attribute, you could have been 15/21 and gone for something like 7 WM, etc.Keep in mind this is my first character and I'm intentionally split between archery and one-handed.(click to show/hide)
i trade my MW heavy lance for an Danish Greatsword because heavy to get a kill from horseback after heavy lance got nerfed.1. do 18/21 for your 2h build. it should be in this thread somewhere.
1.Iam searching a 2 hander build , dont wanna walk like a tincan and other side dont wanna slash 5 times before enemy get killed, a mix of both would be nice.
2.For my Main character iam searching as 1 hander/cav a good build. actually i got a MW Hammer and MW Elite Scimiar ,mybe i wanna use a Great Lance for couching ,anytime
3.A good Shield for horseback and as Infantry ? any kite shield a Round cav shield
4. My actually CHar have 30 agi and 10 Riding, makes alot of fun with a great lance and a CHampion Courser but makes any sense to put Weapon Skill to Polearm for a Great Lance ?
i hope u can help me a bit
Need a good polearm/onehanded Hybrid char.. any ideas.everywhere in this thread if you go back and look.
Lyrada
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Good? Earlier you said perhaps going 7 powerdraw was unnecessary? I want a build that can shoot my masterwork longbow well, and also do good 1h fighting.
I guess the alternative is to go 18-21, with 6 powerdraw?
Why do you need pole arms to get good 1h swords?
why not just boost 1h swords up all the way instead of splitting it up with polearms?
Is it because eventually I'll want to use a pole with swords?
Right now my guy is set up with like 95 1h swords and 60 throw and 20 2h.
Did I mess up? Should I rebuild?
I think I want to focus on Throw and 1h sword. Good idea? or is this what every noob goes for?
Powerstrike: 7
Powerthrow: 7
Athletics: 5
Weapon Master: 5
Shield: 5
100 1H
rest throwing
Hey, I would like to know what you guys think of the following build:i'd go with 6 Pt, 5 IF because i fuckin' love stones, and i'd go with like 120/120 for prof.
18/18
IF:6
PS:6
WM:6
ATH:6
PT:5
130wpf in Pole
104wpf in Throwing
MW Bec, MW Stones
Will I have enough points in throwing? I thought I'll carry the stones vs archers that might run away
My planned lvl 34 polearmer build.
21-24
7 PS
8 Athletics
8 Weapon mastery.
Getting IF at higher lvls.
Only 3if at 35.Athletics is a strange thing, I remember when I went from 9 to 10 athletics I noticed as much damage difference as like I went from 5 PS tp 6 (had 15-30 final build). 10 athletics would be a waste now as I use polearms though, because of higher speed penalty and longer weapon, so I think 8 would be enough.
I think 8 is overkill in ath and wm. But u are ninja now i see and ninjas needs to be fast as lightning :D
so im gonna stop retiring now, i'm gonna go 1h and throw also i like to throw on horseback so wich build should i go?
was thinking 21/15 at 30 21/18 at 33 6 riding at 35
Only 3if at 35.
I think 8 is overkill in ath and wm. But u are ninja now i see and ninjas needs to be fast as lightning :D
so im gonna stop retiring now, i'm gonna go 1h and throw also i like to throw on horseback so wich build should i go?sounds good
was thinking 21/15 at 30 21/18 at 33 6 riding at 35
Level: 30
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 2
Ironflash: 7
Power Strike: 7
Athletics: 5
Riding: 5
Weapon Master: 5
Two Handed: 146
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Something like this:Code: (2h cav) [Select]Level: 30using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 2
Ironflash: 7
Power Strike: 7
Athletics: 5
Riding: 5
Weapon Master: 5
Two Handed: 146
Hey, I would like to know what you guys think of the following build:
18/18
IF:5
PS:6
WM:6
ATH:6
PT:6
130wpf in Pole
104wpf in Throwing
MW Bec, MW Stones
Will I have enough points in throwing? I thought I'll carry the stones vs archers that might run away
Level: 36
Strength: 18
Agility: 27
Skill to attr: 8
Hp: 53
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 9
Shield: 5
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 185
Going to post this here so I have all of my thoughts in order for my next build.
Level 36Code: (Pure 1h+Shield) [Select]Level: 36
Strength: 18
Agility: 27
Skill to attr: 8
Hp: 53
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 9
Shield: 5
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 185
The goal is to use heavier body armor around the 17-20 weight range, ~68+ armor, heavy gauntlets, and a good helmet/decent boots. I will move like an 8 ath build with ~15 weight body armor (without shield, ~10-12 with), or a 7ath build with ~7 weight body armor no shield. I will move fast enough to be quick in melee, and the armor will help produce weaker blows from negative speed bonus. Low PS is offset by the high amounts of wpf, making me similar in power to a 7 PS user, as well as the use of a blunt weapon sidearm against heavy armor users where I will have a huge speed advantage. Less health is offset by higher armor where I would still be able to dodge strikes and better manipulate speed bonus. 5 points in shield would be more useful than 5 points in IF to help block arrows/bolts.
A point in weapon speed is ~12 pure wpf, around ~15 to account for the extra % loss from armor, so I will generally swing with +3 speed compared to the average player, swinging the 97 speed maces as though they were 100 speed.
Each point in PS is ~+2 damage of the weapon type. Using a slower, more powerful weapon, I will still swing quickly, similar in damage to a higher PS build using a shorter, quicker weapon, but my character will be much faster. Therefore, the grosse messer (37 cut), dao weapons, or a 100 length cut 1h (34-35 cut) weapon with a mace for a sidearm is the ideal set.
Largest weaknesses:
Cav
Headshots from arrows
Bolts
Blunt+Pierce weapons
Shields help against all of those except cav, since those weapons aren't very good against shields. High athletics helps against blunt+pierce weapon users that struggle to get a proper hit. A hoplite sidearm can be used with 1wpf to defend against cav for those kinds of maps.
In strat, the 18 strength allows me to wear the heaviest armor if need be, and I will be much faster than mostly any opponent I face.
(click to show/hide)
Is this build viable? lvl 30 archer
str-18
agi-24
athletics-3
power draw-6
weapon master-8
Archery wpf-172
kuya, I would say that an 18-21 are tied for being the standard archery build. very solid.
Yep, definitely viable. This is pretty much my current build. Even though I get pwned in melee, it's a good solid archer build imho.Thanks man! haha I'm in the same boat, Stop Drop and GTFO:)
Level 31
Strength:18
Agility:24
One Handed:12
Archery:172
Weapon Master:8
Athletics:3
Riding:0
Iron Flesh:3
Shield:0
Horse Archery:0
Power Strike:0
Power Draw:6
Power Throw:0
I hit 172 for bow archery at level 30; and added 3 IF and 1h proficiency at level 31.
You really notice the ability to hold a draw and keep your aim tight with this build for several seconds.
Basically I see it as sacrificing athletics for more accurate shooting. I tend to drop my bow and arrows a lot with this build when playing on battle servers when I'm outnumbered by 2h heros and I need to leg it ;)
looking for critique on this build i made on paper, have not tested.Okay, so on the first build here are the issues:
2h/Archer/Cav(click to show/hide)
2h/archer(click to show/hide)
i need some help...Sure! Try out 18:18, best build, you can have 6 athletics and 6 Weapon Master, but 6 IF and 6 PS aswell... Pretty good one imo! Also useful is 21:15.
i want to try a good solid build with
1h - no shield - sword build.
any suggestions?
tnx
i need some help...
i want to try a good solid build with
1h - no shield - sword build.
any suggestions?
tnx
I'm pretty confident that agility 1hander could work as long as you max WM and put all of it into 1h. It makes extra attacks easier to land, you move quite fast with shorter weapons, and there are plenty of extra slots to carry a blunt/pierce sidearm.
I don't know why, but 18/21 1h no shield was the build that I performed the worst with, compared to 21/15 and 24/15 shielder and 15/24 1h no shield . I didn't feel fast enough and I just felt weak in comparison. I performed much better with 15/24 since I was able to at least avoid sticky situations. I think there is a magical point that once you start stacking a lot of athletics and agility, you become amazingly more effective since you still move fast even with a bit extra weight.
If you have under 7PS, I think it's pretty important to have. The lower your PS the more important it is. You'll be fine with 6PS and medium/low amounts of wpf but I would say it would be more difficult in most cases if you're not a hybrid. The wpf damage increase helps alleviate the low PS. High athletics and wpf also lets you succeed with many quick hits.
That seems great to me, a ranged hybrid doesn't need that much 1h wpf unless you do a lot of fighting with your melee weapon. Are you leveling up from a level 32 throwing hybrid already? Sorry, my first post was just a general comment so I missed the post.
Does the archers and horse archers guides work with the new patch?You should be able to have more wpf in archery with high agi builds, but I can not tell what happens if you decide to invest a few points into a melee proficiency.
Hey, I'd like to play as a cavalryman primarily, using the great, sometimes heavy lance and some sword (I am thinking about heavy bastard or longsword - at least if it uses the two-handed wps on horse...?), while being competitive on foot aswell, using polearms (because to me, they are more fun), preferably bec de corbine or glaive. Any tips aiming for lvl 31? And does this hybrid even makes sense atm? Thanks for answer.bastard weapons without shield always use 2h profficiency
bastard weapons without shield always use 2h profficiency
after patch, with high WM it's easy to make a two weapon hybrid. But if you think of switching lance to longsword on horseback - that'd be quite original...
Thinking of going 2h cav.yep that would work for sure, i was using this all the time, with next level ups just spam IF , i would use bardiche though because of its lenght and heavier horse such as plated charger (hurr durr) i was using that)) or catapracht or mamluke horse cuz of their height.
So far I'm thinking of:
24/15
8 Powerstrike
0 Ironflesh
5 Riding
5 Weapon Master
5 Athletics
Persian Battle Axe, Eastern Warhorse.
Will this work?
Is the charger any good for 1h cav? I'm using Eastern Warhorse and it's a bit too weak. I don't want to use Mamluk horse because it will look weird with my armor.Do you even ask?
Do you even ask?I'm uncertain of the connotations of this.
I'm uncertain of the connotations of this.
Please enlighten.
..replace your armor with your horse & vice versa.Never. It's an ugly horse and all armor that suits it is also ugly. And it's used by everyone and everything.
Level: 31 34 34
Strength: 21 21 24
Agility: 18 21 18
Skill to attr: 6 6 6
Ironflash: 1 1 3
Power Strike: 7 7 8
Athletics: 6 7 6
Riding: 6 7 6
Weapon Master: 6 7 6
Two Handed: 131 131 131
Polearm: 83 115 83
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)Level: 34
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Ironflash: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 3
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Weapon Master: 6
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Looking for a Hybrid between Two hand/Throwing18-18 would probably work good u could probably try the 21-18 or try 18-21. Sry i would type it into a build calculator but I'm on my phone and those 2 don't go together well ill build it for u tomorrow for u if there are no other responses for u
Looking for a Hybrid between Two hand/Throwing
Hello, gentlemen. What 1h shielded cavalry with lance would you recommend?
In several short questions:
1) How many points should I give to 1h and Polearm? (I was thinking of 100+ for pole and 140+ for 1h) I need a right proportion.
2) How many Riding points will be enough for me with Champion horse (7 or 8 => 21agi or 24?) if I feel myself uncomfortable on a usual rouncey with 6 and 7 ridings?
3) How many hitpoints and armour it will be enough to survive at least three hits? I don't need athletics so I will invest points in IronFlesh.
4) Which lance would you recommend me?
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It looks like the questions appear to be not that short I was thinking them of. :lol:
Does the builds from the first post work currently? I would like a good 2h or pole build.
21 18 is the most standart build for both. But it is flexible, you can try 18 21 for more speed, or 24 15 for more durability and damage. or 18 18 if you want to go cav hybrid. (i would prefer 24 15 but it is up to you)
Thanks man, and is there any progression table? how should I lvl up?
Thanks man.
As I have 37k you recommendme anything to buy considering I'll go 2h?
btw, you speak spanish? because of your nickname
Can anyone give me any good throwing hybrid build?
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Last 5 points in IF or Shield.
Alternatively the wpf in 2h or Polearm
Is this build still viable 3 years after it was originally posted? An all round 1h shield build.
What's a good balanced build for a shielder?The 21/15 on the 1st page of this post is nice, but I never play it with the Ironflesh, I just turn it into 24/15 with an extra powerstrike.
And trick question, is it worth using a weapon like the bastard sword 1h with shield and 2h once shield breaks?
What build should I go to become gay cav with Morningstar?Well, maybe one of those 1h/lance or dedicated lancer builds but replace it with 2h wpf?
Anyone got a good thrower build? My friend wants to be one but I have no clue about throwers.
Hello guys any suggests for one hand shield cav ? I wanna use arabian sword and arabian horse
I am using the Level 6 horse and a Longsword. I plan on mostly being on a horse. What stats do you recommend?If you don't ever plan to use any other horse, 27-18 would be a good build. Otherwise I'd recommend getting 7 riding for more variative choice and go 24-21.
If you don't ever plan to use any other horse, 27-18 would be a good build. Otherwise I'd recommend getting 7 riding for more variative choice and go 24-21.I'm wanting to use the Longsword and Lance. Is this advisable? Or should I just stick with lance? I don't think I want 7 riding. I only want the Destrier horse.
Max out your PS, Riding, Athletics and Weapon master skills.
I'm wanting to use the Longsword and Lance. Is this advisable? Or should I just stick with lance? I don't think I want 7 riding. I only want the Destrier horse.Yes, you can spread the weapon points between polearms and two handed to be able to use both, it's a good option.
Yes, you can spread the weapon points between polearms and two handed to be able to use both, it's a good option.I have a Skip the Fun character from a couple years ago. I am 18 Str 21 Agil for 7 riding and 1 point left over. So should I convert that to skills?
I have a Skip the Fun character from a couple years ago. I am 18 Str 21 Agil for 7 riding and 1 point left over. So should I convert that to skills?You can do that if you want to use shields as well, so that you would end up with this build:
Level: 35
Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Attr to skill: 1
Ironflash: 6
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 5
Athletics: 7
Riding: 7
Weapon Master: 7
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)Level: 35
Strength: 21
Agility: 21
Skill to attr: 4
Ironflash: 4
Power Strike: 7
Athletics: 7
Riding: 7
Weapon Master: 7
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
I never played a ranged build before on crpg. What would a xbow build look like. With maybe a 2hander back up?Here http://forum.melee.org/guides/crossbowery-basics-and-tricks/ (http://forum.melee.org/guides/crossbowery-basics-and-tricks/) , a bit outdated but give enough knowledge to make your own build.
24/18 level 34 2h is super easy to play. bust out a miaodao for massive damage and to compensate for being slightly slower than a lot of players.
8PS
8IF
6ATH
6WM
1shield but dont always bring one
155 2h wpf
so relaxing being able to charge in and kill everyone. tons of hp so you can afford to just mess around and attempt chambers all the time. I would recommend medium-heavy armor if you want to be chamber-happy as well as forcing glances for the 8PS miaodao punish.
I used a +1 Long Axe* polearm with a 27/15 build almost identical to this quote [up till 35/retirement],(click to show/hide)
thus outspammed/outfootworked by the better players:)
24 str / 18 agi build for 2h @ level 34 works now?
You can use the builds in the OP as a guideline and then calculate 4 more levels, since now you retire at level 35, instead of 31 (plan the build for level 34).
Level: 35
Strength: 30
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 16
Ironflash: 0
Power Strike: 10
Riding: 6
Weapon Master: 4
Two Handed: 144
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)Level: 35
Strength: 30
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 10
Ironflash: 6
Power Strike: 10
Riding: 5
Weapon Master: 5
Two Handed: 152
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
So will this ever be updated?
I need dem builds.
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Level: 34
Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Skill to attr: 6
Ironflash: 1
Power Strike: 6
Athletics: 8
Power Draw: 6
Weapon Master: 8
Two Handed: 100
Archery: 159
using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)2h cav for DTVCode: [Select]Level: 35using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 30
Agility: 18
Skill to attr: 16
Ironflash: 0
Power Strike: 10
Riding: 6
Weapon Master: 4
Two Handed: 144
or thisCode: [Select]Level: 35using cRPG NewGen calc (http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB)
Strength: 30
Agility: 15
Skill to attr: 10
Ironflash: 6
Power Strike: 10
Riding: 5
Weapon Master: 5
Two Handed: 152
Hi,
i suppose this question has been asked many times but can anyone help me with a solid 1h shield build. I am currently using 1h swords since i really dont want to miss out on stabs and i also like the reach (using irish sword right now). For armor i go with a medium armor (blue brigantine over mail with mail gauntlets, red hose with kneecaps and klappvisier), as shield i am using a knightly kite shield.
Now i am using a 21/21 build since i thought agi would work nicely to counter act the movement loss from the shield, however i feel like my dmg ends up being too low with this. Any suggestions on how to reroll? Is 24/18 be better or should i go for even more str? Also how many points in shield/if is considered enough/viable? thanks...
I have heard that STR is a good stat for great damage with arching. like 27/18 even 30/15. Am I just being trolled?Haven't played an archer in like 5 gens but those should both be solid builds.
I have heard that STR is a good stat for great damage with arching. like 27/18 even 30/15. Am I just being trolled?
does Power Draw add damage past lvl 4?It's 4 levels past the required power draw for the bow.
A new+Updated 2h, archer hybrid
Dafua that build sucks cocks in hell dude.
Hybrid and if? Get more archery wpf! Get less athletics! And moar fking str, if u go for a 27 18 build and like 7 ps u wont fucking be in need of wpf at all. Stun should be strong enough!
I have 21/21
At 35:
7 PS
4 IF
7 ATH
7 riding
7 WM
Wpf split between pole and 2h
I use heavy lance + longsword combo and it works pretty well. I find reach far more useful than speed of lighter lances. Same goes for longsword, that tiny reach advantage over ACS/ECS can be suprising.
Destrier is my choice for horsie. It's balanced, enough speed, enough maneuverability, enough hp... Can't go wrong with that.
No shield.Yeah, agreed on that aspect as well, only couch weapons are for the most part not worthwhile having unless it's you alone as cav on the server, much more worthwhile having a lance that can do a normal stab.
You can only couch with great lance. Great reach and high dmg makes it good weapon against infantry but it's useless against cav. Play around and see what fits you best.
I'm new to Cav. I have a stf that I put 7 points into riding and split the wpf between pole arm and 2h.
I need recommendations for what horse to buy.
Oh I forgot, I'd appreciate recommendations for lances for a cav build too.
So I literally haven't played in a year. Some things might've changed.
Horse depends on whether it's loomed and how you like to play. Destrier is a good default horse. Arab horse is kind of squishy, but nice and maneuverable. I play with my courser--have for like 6 years. I'm biased. Back then the courser was a literal rocket ship that you could murder dozens with in a match without them even noticing because it was so fast. Think that cocky fighter pilot in the new star wars movie. *Sigh*, but now you're probably safest off with a champion destrier.
Heavy lance is kind of sucky now. Takes a long time to wind it up and swing. Better for open maps and a fast horse, so you can circle like a vulture and pick away at people on your own terms. The heavy lance is long as shit, so if you're timing's good you'll almost always hit first.
Like the destrier, the safest bet is just a regular lance. Light lance is surprisingly handy on foot though.
In the end it's about play style. A courser and heavy lance lets you sneaky around and dart in/through the fighting on your terms, picking people off. A destrier lets you linger a little longer in the fight and lends itself to regular lances; and you could try some bump-slashing 2h goodness. The arab horse is meh, but the maneuverability helps when you fight other cav, so he goes good with a regular lance or light lance.
Lvl 37 2h:33/15fully loomed milanese tincan + claymore/flammi/great maul
Ath: 5
WM: 5
PS:11
IF:5
maxed out 2h wpf. ~130
Nah nah nah Bro go with 30/15 then get 10 PS, 10 IF and 2 shieldskill for stopping couchlance spam and arrow spam while you close, then ditch it.
EDIT: Thats TEN MORE HITPOINTS AND A SHIELD for 1 Powerstrike... I think it's better tbh. I've got just over 10 Mill to a lvl 37, I'm gonna try this then and get back to this thread with results next week.
What is a goof build for a Longbow archer?
What is a goof build for a Longbow archer?
A level 36 build i played at for awhile:I bet you use a crushthrough weapon too.
36/9
12 ps
12 if
3wm
2ath
all WPF put into 2h, wear full plate, etc. Pretty fun
I bet you use a crushthrough weapon too.no a heavy bastard sword
☑ shiny armour☑ better than you
☑ fancy sword
☑ 2h
☑ hero
☐ shield
lvl 37 build optimized for stabby short swords, hunting crossbow and light-medium armor
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Although completely useless currently due to every other crossbow with the exception of the Arbalest being completely and utterly worthless, I wouldn't say this is a solid build at the moment.The crossbow is more of a gimmick than an actual weapon; consider it a high-agi 1h build with just enough wpf to kill stuff. You can hunt archers with it though, if they stand still and wear no helmet (and that's a big 'if').
The crossbow is more of a gimmick than an actual weapon; consider it a high-agi 1h build with just enough wpf to kill stuff. You can hunt archers with it though, if they stand still and wear no helmet (and that's a big 'if').Ah I see, my mistake :o
I want to play a Hybrid dagger Thrower/melee. Not too sure what I can do that will be reliable (I know it won't be OP tho)
I want to play a Hybrid dagger Thrower/melee. Not too sure what I can do that will be reliable (I know it won't be OP tho)lvl 34 12/33 11 athletics 4 throwing 8 wm
Well, my only polearm is a +3 staff cuz op speed, I use it with 3-4 PS only, rest in ath and wpf, but the last time I used this Pawiu told me to gtfo and that Krems ruins this mod, just before he left the game.
Sounds awesome I will try this :P :P :P
You know krems is krems.
I can trade mine with you temporarily or permanently if you want, if you want to trade something with me
I will try first my +3 Spear if it sucks I will try your Staff.
Build maybe 21/18?
lol a spear is pierce dmg, it has no blunt stun and knockdown chance such as the staff. Also its slower.
And with 18 Agi only you have an average polearm build...
I am no polearm specialist anyway, but preferably I'd use polearms with high agi builds only, and 2h's with STR builds.
for polearm go for 21/21 or even 18/24 with Bec or Redtassel/double sided lance +3 also 30/15 is great for frontline with poleax or bec or bardiche
Good build for 1h spear and shield ? And is it any good compared to a normal shield build.
Don't play hoplite a whole lot, but probably would want to do something balanced like 21/18 21/21 or 18/21. More agi if you want more shield skill / wpf. Split between pole and 1h WPF or go heavier into what you want. You will likely need to have one skill pretty low to pull it off, I'd recommend making IF low with the reasoning being the shield lets you take extra hits so the IF is not needed.But the IF makes you faster.
But the IF makes you faster.