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Title: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Panos_Tournament on July 28, 2017, 09:27:51 am
LOL, IF YOU PLAY PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER, AND YOU CHOOSE Nigeria V Germany, the scoreboard shows, NIG-GER



NIG-GER
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Panos_Tournament on July 28, 2017, 09:29:30 am
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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Beleg on July 28, 2017, 11:14:15 am
ban pes plz thx
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Lord_Carlos on July 28, 2017, 11:26:52 am
LOL, IF YOU PLAY PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER, AND YOU CHOOSE Nigeria V Germany, the scoreboard shows, NIG-GER



NIG-GER
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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: IR_Kuoin on July 28, 2017, 01:54:44 pm
Remove this thread please, new players might not wanna play the mod if they see this.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: _Zetan_ on July 28, 2017, 02:26:13 pm
I am sorry , well not really , this is funny. People need to lighten up this PC shit is way out of hand. Probably the same people who disagree with Trumps Transgender ban.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Novamere on July 28, 2017, 03:50:45 pm
I am sorry , well not really , this is funny. People need to lighten up this PC shit is way out of hand. Probably the same people who disagree with Trumps Transgender ban.

Thank god for Trump you know how fucking PC  our country would be without him.......Jesus christ
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 28, 2017, 04:47:38 pm
Oh damn that Transgender ban mustve caused people to go nuts, seems like things are getting interesting again.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Prpavi on July 28, 2017, 04:58:48 pm
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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Westwood on July 28, 2017, 11:13:17 pm
As for the Trump Transgender ban that's a bit of a reach in this thread. Anyone who sees that as anything more than a smokescreen is deluded. The Obamacare repeal gains momentum briefly for the first time, and suddenly Trump tweets about something completely unrelated that's bound to end up all over every form of media as the main discussion piece despite the tweet having nearly no substance.
It is correct that the tweet has no substance, the Pentagon needs a written order. I'm still glad the President has made his position known. The civilian authority listening to the needs of the military authority within their own sphere, rather than pigeonholing civilian social goals into the military framework, is a nice change of pace.

It's also not solely about the cost of castration and/or hormone treatment as Mr. Trump's tweets implied (although there is absolutely no reason taxpayers should ever pay for the elective surgery of anyone), it's also about combat readiness, unit cohesion, and the stability of the individual. A 41% suicide rate ain't nothin' to fuck with, and putting potential combat stress on top of that? I mean, you can say we won't put them in combat roles, but is Bradley Manning a good track record in that case as well? I think the stability factor is a concern regardless of what service role they have.

Anyhow, don't really care if it's a smokescreen, it's something I'd like to see happen.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Havelle on July 29, 2017, 01:39:20 am
Except the military doesn't pay for gender reassignment surgery. The military is becoming a big employer of transgendered people. They don't face the same discrimination they face in civilian life, so they sign on in higher rates than any other group of the general population.

Let them fight.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Drunken_sailor on July 29, 2017, 03:39:49 am
hopefully they help get the new pink cammies approved.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Seadle on July 29, 2017, 03:45:59 am


NIG-GER

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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Westwood on July 29, 2017, 05:52:08 am
Except the military doesn't pay for gender reassignment surgery.
Yes, it does. It started in late 2016 and that has yet to change. I'm afraid you've got your liberal talking points mixed up, you're supposed to say we spend more on Viagra than the estimated cost of voluntary castration, so checkmate budget hawks.

You may or may not have noticed that I said the problem is not wholly about cost.

The military is becoming a big employer of transgendered people.
It may have, after 2016, if the current Secretary of Defense had not delayed the new rule allowing for their enlistment last month, pending the completion of a Pentagon study on their affect on military readiness and lethality.

Seriously, 41%. Military service members are already 20-25% more likely to kill themselves than civilians, all else constant.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Drunken_sailor on July 29, 2017, 06:19:48 am
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Gurnisson on July 29, 2017, 05:58:11 pm
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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 30, 2017, 05:59:38 am
Except the military doesn't pay for gender reassignment surgery. The military is becoming a big employer of transgendered people. They don't face the same discrimination they face in civilian life, so they sign on in higher rates than any other group of the general population.

Let them fight.

lets compromise here

lets shut down 9/10 of our bases in Italy, Japan, Germany, Australia, the Phillipines, etc etc

lets completely quit using military action without congressional approval, for fuck sake social networks glow white-hot with virtue signalling when one or two poor motherfuckers get murdered by an illegal immigrant, domestic/foreign terrorist, or whacko but we barely get a "hey we droned some stuff" on the news and hundreds of brown folk perish horribly ALL THE TIME

lets strongly curtail CIA involvement in foreign affairs while we're at it. lmao @ people whining about muh Russia in Ukraine, muh Russia in Crimea, muh Russia in our elections. the U.S. gub'mint straight up coup'd Ukraine's democratically-elected president Yukanovich in 2014, hows THAT for interference? ooooo no muh RT putting out fake news FOR GODS SAKE WE'RE STILL COUP'ING my old friendETS OUT HERE

also lets stop throwing around sanctions on all actors besides the Norks, "Iran's the biggest state sponsor of terror" ROFL, guess Saudia Arabia doesn't count

with all of these things accomplished, I would be perfectly fine allowing female-to-male or male-to-female transgendered individuals serve in our military in any capacity, so long as they fulfill all standard requirements
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Westwood on July 30, 2017, 06:43:11 am
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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 30, 2017, 09:01:05 am
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goddamnit i hate john bolton so much i wouldn't entrust that man with an temporary relief assistant dogcatcher job
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Drunken_sailor on July 30, 2017, 02:52:40 pm
Yeah we all prefer to live in a state of perpetual war without any clear objectives for victory.

Without that there is no way that the military industrial complex could thrive, some one think of the security industries.  Are they to become the coal miners of the next century?

Not on my watch. Reichstag fire 9/11 never forget.

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and N Korea bought to get a whoopin

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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Westwood on July 30, 2017, 11:01:06 pm
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Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 31, 2017, 05:15:34 am
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fucking NFA fucking contra fucking tax hikes etc etc

i will come here once daily to get triggered by images of neocons and neocon patron saints, i think its good for me like a glass of red wine
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Drunken_sailor on July 31, 2017, 07:51:14 am
 harmony, stability, virtue, reverence, veneration, loyalty, self-discipline, and moderation. [...] classical conservatism in its most authentic expression.
-wiki

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I have some doubts about moderation however
Title: Neocon Discussion Thread
Post by: Westwood on July 31, 2017, 08:45:33 am
fucking NFA fucking contra fucking tax hikes etc etc

i will come here once daily to get triggered by images of neocons and neocon patron saints, i think its good for me like a glass of red wine
Allow me to aid you

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Though there are better labels for people like William F. Buckley and Reagan than neoconservative. They're movement conservatives, which as a big tent does include neocons but is in no way a synonym. That tent also includes lolbertarians sometimes :^)

"Neoconservative" is itself kind of a loaded term which people like William Kristol have relatively recently decided to apply to themselves. Honestly a really wishy washy label in this day and age, and not entirely relevant anymore in the conservative movement. I mean, you have John McCain, but he's obviously almost dead. You may have never even heard of Bill Kristol.

For Archiboob, here is the short answer of what capital C Conservatism is from roughly the time of Goldwater to now:
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It's important to remember that the Conservatives of today are the "classical liberals" of yesteryear, rather than the "classical conservatives."
Title: Re: Neocon Discussion Thread
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 31, 2017, 09:54:00 am
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Though there are better labels for people like William F. Buckley and Reagan than neoconservative. They're movement conservatives, which as a big tent does include neocons but is in no way a synonym. That tent also includes lolbertarians sometimes :^)

"Neoconservative" is itself kind of a loaded term which people like William Kristol have relatively recently decided to apply to themselves. Honestly a really wishy washy label in this day and age, and not entirely relevant anymore in the conservative movement. I mean, you have John McCain, but he's obviously almost dead. You may have never even heard of Bill Kristol.

For Archiboob, here is the short answer of what capital C Conservatism is from roughly the time of Goldwater to now:
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It's important to remember that the Conservatives of today are the "classical liberals" of yesteryear, rather than the "classical conservatives."

firstly allow me to posit the following: goddamnit fucking cheney fucking bush we're STILL in the sandbox i sure hope that halliburton made out alright o wait im sure they did plenty fine

secondly, i wouldn't call Reagan a neocon, either- thats more of a 21st century thing. u rite. and i don't know shit-all about that Buckley character, but i'm sure that i wouldn't like most of what he did

third, you rite again about "neocon" being a loaded term, but i'd be a poor arm-chair pundit indeed if i didn't know who the fuck Bill Kristol is. he's loud as fuck! any sort of political identifier, so to speak, is gonna be loaded as hell these days- you've got large swathes of the population that consider "republican", "democrat", "conservative", or "liberal" not to be differing political ideologies, but the source of all societal ills and above all else, the enemy

it is still a term i like to use because of how it sounds in the phrase "neocon fucking shits", much like "vietnam fucking shits", and of course i'm sure that you know the facet i focus most on to classify someone as a fukken neocon is advocacy or practical involvement in military action without a congressional declaration of war; often extraordinarily fond of reminding all that will listen that "America must exhibit LEADERSHIP in the world", "America must defend liberty" etc

im just a right-wing libertarian that has grown tired of helicopter memes TBH, been listening to a lot of Hoppe talks lately- need to start reading works that have to do with polemics or politics rather than classic sci-fi, but goddamnit i just found robert heinlein's collected works in .txt and .lit forms on the 8th page of google search in a completely unformatted plain directory

stranger in a strange land is lovely, really reminds me of Moon is a Harsh Mistress in the way that he is stellar at creating an innocent+powerful, often non-human character. fucking kawaii

until next time :)

PS also appreciate the use of "movement conservatives", never really heard that term before. that describes the current zeitgest of Trump folk pretty well- after all how could I forget the hundreds of Trump rallies in which he reminded us gracefully that they are, indeed, a MOVEMENT. reckon that Perot's clusterfuck of a bid could have been described as the same. i'll have to think about this a little.



Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Drunken_sailor on July 31, 2017, 05:49:24 pm
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god knows all, gives free will. cannot computer
Title: Re: Neocon Discussion Thread
Post by: Westwood on July 31, 2017, 10:23:09 pm
and i don't know shit-all about that Buckley character, but i'm sure that i wouldn't like most of what he did
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He's a fascinating animal regardless of your political position I believe. Buckley was the living embodiment of erudite, genteel, establishment, values-and-markets Conservatism. If that isn't already enough to make you hot and bothered, please note that he was also, for a time, a CIA spook working abroad, and before that an FBI informer while at Yale. tbh I'd bring back COINTELPRO too, fuckin commies everywhere bro.

Honestly the man built modern conservatism (or at least conservatism from 1955-2016, R.I.P. GOP dream) from Goldwater up. He didn't do it alone obviously, but he was a huge figure in bringing the various groups that make up the conservative coalition together. Getting their ideas out there, fostering dialogue and debate, really putting conservative goals on the agenda so to speak, at a societal level. His ideas becoming the republican orthodoxy is why you don't see many "democrat-lite" republicans in the vein of Eisenhower or Nixon today. They got purged lmao. So did the conspiracy kooks like Birchers. All thanks to William F. Buckley and his funny accent.

My first exposure to him was through National Review print magazine, which he founded in the 50's and of which I am a subscriber, but he's probably most well known as the host of a public affairs television show called "Firing Line," which ran for 30 some years and had well over a thousand episodes usually featuring dialogue between Buckley and a guest, and often debates as well.

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I am disheartened to hear you have grown tired of helicopter memes, they're some of my favorites.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Turkhammer on August 01, 2017, 12:52:37 am
lets compromise here

lets shut down 9/10 of our bases in Italy, Japan, Germany, Australia, the Phillipines, etc etc

lets completely quit using military action without congressional approval, for fuck sake social networks glow white-hot with virtue signalling when one or two poor motherfuckers get murdered by an illegal immigrant, domestic/foreign terrorist, or whacko but we barely get a "hey we droned some stuff" on the news and hundreds of brown folk perish horribly ALL THE TIME

lets strongly curtail CIA involvement in foreign affairs while we're at it. lmao @ people whining about muh Russia in Ukraine, muh Russia in Crimea, muh Russia in our elections. the U.S. gub'mint straight up coup'd Ukraine's democratically-elected president Yukanovich in 2014, hows THAT for interference? ooooo no muh RT putting out fake news FOR GODS SAKE WE'RE STILL COUP'ING my old friendETS OUT HERE

also lets stop throwing around sanctions on all actors besides the Norks, "Iran's the biggest state sponsor of terror" ROFL, guess Saudia Arabia doesn't count

with all of these things accomplished, I would be perfectly fine allowing female-to-male or male-to-female transgendered individuals serve in our military in any capacity, so long as they fulfill all standard requirements

Why compromise?  Almost all those things you mention are more important to national security than paying for sex change operations.
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on August 01, 2017, 05:13:45 am
Why compromise?  Almost all those things you mention are more important to national security than paying for sex change operations.

i would like to ask you, in all seriousness, how passing economic sanctions on Russia or Iran promotes our national security interests; defined as the physical well-being of United States citizens? when was the last time that Iran was directly or even indirectly responsible for a terror or other attack on US citizens? When was the last time Russia was?

i would also like to ask how having myriad bases all throughout Europe and elsewhere left over from the Marshall plan and later interventionism promotes the physical well-being of United States citizens

i would also inquire exactly how overthrowing democratically-elected leaders abroad promotes the physical well-being of our citizens

also that "compromise" bit was a joke, formed around the basis that there is no remotely likely chance that such changes would be enacted. i've got absolutely no interest at all in allowing or disallowing transgender folk into the military; the arguments for such a move are pathetic and mostly I've heard "it isn't just about the military, its about society! *insert reference to jim crow or segregation because apples and oranges are a good comparison*"

fuck i got triggered, westwood's supposed to do that. also @westwood, i want you to know that you're more informed on US historical politics and political figures than i am and i recognize this. also appreciate the learnin'
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Westwood on August 01, 2017, 06:31:34 am
Anytime brother

After all, we're on the same side  :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on August 01, 2017, 06:52:53 am
Anytime brother

After all, we're on the same side  :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

of course, the pragmatic tru-conservative tru-american™ and the idealistic right-libertarian/minarchist are natural allies of convenience and necessity and make for better comrades than NSDAP LARPers or anarcho-capitalist helicocksucker meme enthusiasts
Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Turkhammer on August 02, 2017, 04:10:41 am
i would like to ask you, in all seriousness, how passing economic sanctions on Russia or Iran promotes our national security interests; defined as the physical well-being of United States citizens? when was the last time that Iran was directly or even indirectly responsible for a terror or other attack on US citizens? When was the last time Russia was?

I suggest that if H1tler had been brought up short at his remilitirazation of the Rhineland that WW 2 may have not occurred, at least when it did and how it did.  The same principle applies to Putin and Crimea and Ukraine and by extension other former Soviet republics.  How that involved the US in the 1940s and how it involves our security today is obvious. 

Iran today, without nuclear weapons, makes existential threats against US allies.  The threat may actually become possible and therefore temptingly achievable once Iran obtains nuclear weapons.  If sanctions have any role in preventing such events then they protect our national security.

i would also like to ask how having myriad bases all throughout Europe and elsewhere left over from the Marshall plan and later interventionism promotes the physical well-being of United States citizens

Which interventions do you specifically mean?

The US is a global power which obtains many of it's resources and products from overseas.  Despite the best efforts of the current occupant of the White House the US still has a leadership role and if a crises confronts the "West" it will again be looked at for leadership.  In international affairs nobody likes, or more importantly, respects a weakling.  If you are a maritime power, such as the US, and you want to protect sea communications in times of tension and if you intend to defend world wide allies against threats of aggression then you need to project power.  Bases are part of what is needed to do that. 

By the way I can't think of too many countries, in which we have bases, that have told us to get out but that we refused to leave.

i would also inquire exactly how overthrowing democratically-elected leaders abroad promotes the physical well-being of our citizens

I assume you are speaking of recent events (last 25 years)?  You'll have to give me some concrete examples.



Title: Re: Nigeria Vs Germany
Post by: Leshma on August 04, 2017, 04:43:02 pm
i would like to ask you, in all seriousness, how passing economic sanctions on Russia or Iran promotes our national security interests; defined as the physical well-being of United States citizens? when was the last time that Iran was directly or even indirectly responsible for a terror or other attack on US citizens? When was the last time Russia was?

You've been weakening those countries using very sophisticated methods for a long time. You can bet they hold a grudge against you, not just a their government but animosity against United States is probably widespread among people who live in those countries. Can't say that for certain, because I'm not from Russia or Iran but I can say it is the case for little Serbia.

Which means, that you can't let those countries get their shit together because that will threaten security of United States. Chances are high they would fuck you up if they had the chance to do so. It is still very basic way of thinking, all about survival, despite the fact we're in 21st century.

It would be great if people could just get along and forget their differences, working towards a common goal but... that is utopia and will stay that way for quite some time in the future.

Also sanctions are good for dividing people, which means it becomes easier to conquer and control them. Internal wars could happen which is good for business.

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i would also like to ask how having myriad bases all throughout Europe and elsewhere left over from the Marshall plan and later interventionism promotes the physical well-being of United States citizens

Explained in above paragraph.

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i would also inquire exactly how overthrowing democratically-elected leaders abroad promotes the physical well-being of our citizens

There are varying degrees of "democracy" and they all suck. You can ask group of monkeys for best course of action and they'll agree on something but that solution would probably be far from optimal. Spreading education is the only way to strengthen democracy, because only then people can make near optimal choices. Third world countries aren't known for having well educated citizens, democracy in those countries exist only paper. In practice, corruption is wide spread and thus point of democracy is lost. Choices people make are controlled in many ways, their opinions are 'guided'. When I think about it, United States is no different atm. That's why I say democracy sucks.

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also that "compromise" bit was a joke, formed around the basis that there is no remotely likely chance that such changes would be enacted. i've got absolutely no interest at all in allowing or disallowing transgender folk into the military; the arguments for such a move are pathetic and mostly I've heard "it isn't just about the military, its about society! *insert reference to jim crow or segregation because apples and oranges are a good comparison*"

I'm not sure about whole no queers in military thing but it probably has something to do with keeping in check minds of people who serve in military. By allowing freedom of thought and choosing to become transgender falls right into that category you can have issues later when you issue an order and your subordinates start to question it and even band together to change that decision. Military doesn't need smart soldiers, it needs obedient soldiers. Queer people are free thinking people, they don't fit the mold.