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Title: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: darmaster on July 15, 2016, 10:19:15 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/

they're trying to take down kratos
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 15, 2016, 10:26:04 pm
Fingers crossed, but it's extremely likely that the son of a whore (not Kratos, you know who) has staged this entire freak show. So that he can appear victorious tomorrow and pronounce himself the one and only president, which is his ultimate goal nowadays.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 15, 2016, 10:30:49 pm
WTF LOL

They'll never get me alive long live Islam should probably delete that lmao

Military officially announced that they seized the government, wotofok
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 15, 2016, 10:32:11 pm
And the toy prime minister is on the tv, announcing that there is an "attempt" which they will successfully foil. It just reeks of bullshit.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 15, 2016, 10:35:38 pm
There is a freaking tank at the entrance of the airport...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 15, 2016, 10:38:47 pm
I am happy and sad at the same time,
Sad cus it can happen in a country like this
Happy cus hopefully finally those fuckfaces are getting to the court for fucking the country in the ass
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Hearst_ on July 15, 2016, 10:39:23 pm
Vay amk
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 15, 2016, 10:39:43 pm
what the fuck is happening in Turkey
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 15, 2016, 10:42:29 pm
I am not buying this until I see clear results. I say "staged"!
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 15, 2016, 10:43:43 pm
I am not buying this until I see clear results. I say "staged"!

It's the current year
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: dagu807 on July 15, 2016, 10:45:09 pm
If Erdoshit is gone I can breathe with relief.
Turkey is still on the map and isn't renamed Byzantine Republic tho, which is shite.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 15, 2016, 10:47:34 pm
Vay amk

Karışık duygular içerisindeyim amk
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: okiN on July 15, 2016, 10:50:54 pm
So whose troops are actually in control of the situation, loyalists or rebels? What's going on over there? Does anyone even know?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 15, 2016, 10:57:12 pm
or what part of the army is trying to take over? a few only? or some big core?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 15, 2016, 10:58:26 pm
Wow, the nerves of the rebel generals, can you imagine standing there in a tent, planning for months, maybe years, then finally boom! we attack!

It's like a video game
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 15, 2016, 10:58:42 pm
So whose troops are actually in control of the situation, loyalists or rebels? What's going on over there? Does anyone even know?

According to Imc TV, which I'd rely upon their info, soldiers seized the control of Boshporus bridges, had a shootout with the police, has control over some important places, but the government and the cabines are still making announcements that this attempt will fail. Turkey Radio Television broadcasting is under control of soldiers since 2-3 minutes now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Hearst_ on July 15, 2016, 11:01:33 pm
Karışık duygular içerisindeyim amk
Sevinsem mi üzülsem mi bilemedim aq
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: okiN on July 15, 2016, 11:05:05 pm
According to Imc TV, which I'd rely upon their info, soldiers seized the control of Boshporus bridges, had a shootout with the police, has control over some important places, but the government and the cabines are still making announcements that this attempt will fail. Turkey Radio Television broadcasting is under control of soldiers since 2-3 minutes now.

So all the military currently out in force is backing the coup? Is it basically the whole army together?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 15, 2016, 11:06:29 pm
So all the military currently out in force is backing the coup? Is it basically the whole army together?

We are guessing so. tsk announced that they couped the gov through their website. But now you cant reach to www.tsk.tr
Also a rumour says they took Erdogan to a safe place in Marmaris since he never made a speech by now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vovka on July 15, 2016, 11:07:17 pm
Again tomatoes growing in price, fuck u Turks!!!  :P :P
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 15, 2016, 11:07:24 pm
“Turkish Armed Forces have completely taken over the administration of
the country to reinstate constitutional order, human rights and
freedoms, the rule of law and the general security that was damaged,” the statement annonced. “All international agreements are still valid. We hope that all of our good relationships with all countries will continue.”

Based Turkish military. Thought they had gotten completely purged and castrated by Erdogan, good to see the old tradition of the military being the bulkward of secularism and democracy endure.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tibes on July 15, 2016, 11:08:09 pm
Hah, I wonder where could he possibly run to if he is overthrown. Erdo is probably the most unreasonable leader that ever held an office. He pissed off the pro-westerners, anti-westerners, the middle-East, terrorists, anti-terrorists, multiple minorities.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 15, 2016, 11:08:36 pm
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 15, 2016, 11:32:51 pm
Sad that in Russia government is held by kgb and army :(
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Angantyr on July 15, 2016, 11:41:52 pm
good to see the old tradition of the military being the bulkward of secularism and democracy endure.
Yes, I had this on my mind aswell. A fascinating dynamic in the history of our institutions.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Teeth on July 15, 2016, 11:50:32 pm
I did not dare to expect something like this anymore at this point, but Turkish military says "nope" to Islamism once more. So far it sounds like a neat coup.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 15, 2016, 11:53:13 pm
I think you're going to breathe a bit more easily from now on Daunt Flockula, at least I hope for you and your country!
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 15, 2016, 11:55:29 pm
Everything so far indicates that. Though I still have to see people getting handcuffed and tried before I can actually believe this.

On the other hand I have been receiving a lot of reliable information from relevant sources. By the way, the military force names itself the "Peace at Home Council". A curfew has been announced for the next day and "will continue until the next command".
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Turkhammer on July 16, 2016, 12:00:21 am
Long live the Turkish Army.

Again tomatoes growing in price, fuck u Turks!!!  :P :P

LOL, troll :wink:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:03:55 am
Loyalist helicopter just blew the fuck out of the TV broadcasting building the coup leaders had taken over to broadcast statements. All turkish troops in Iraq are being recalled. Apparently Erdogan just asked for asylum in Germany and was refused.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 16, 2016, 12:12:56 am
The helicopter attack is true. But it was a helicopter that gunned down the notorious 1150-room palace. The tv building wasn't attacked.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:14:27 am
Thanks for the info, I had gotten that from a site that insists Erdogan's government is still in charge. So much conflicting info. Again, provisionary cause I don't know it's true but reports tanks have opened fire on parliament building.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 16, 2016, 12:15:27 am
Yeah, info pollution is going to be outrageous. This is partly the reason why I will remain skeptical till the end.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2016, 12:17:28 am
I'm seeing reports that the army are backing off from the increasing street presence of Erdogan supporters because they're reluctant to engage with civilians? Is this coup strong enough to succeed?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 12:23:11 am
I'm seeing reports that the army are backing off from the increasing street presence of Erdogan supporters because they're reluctant to engage with civilians? Is this coup strong enough to succeed?

No, it isn't. Erdogan is calling his supporters to the streets from any kind of device, mosque loudspeakers, party vehicles etc., if soldiers shoot civilians, shit will get worse i think, they try to avoid that.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:23:17 am
An Erdogan supporter ran towards a military checkpoint screaming Allah Akbar and got shot down, I don't think they're shy about it.
One of the streams I'm following, probably the most reliable one, the rest are a bit amateurish, don't trust them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 12:23:32 am
I'm seeing reports that the army are backing off from the increasing street presence of Erdogan supporters because they're reluctant to engage with civilians? Is this coup strong enough to succeed?
That's if this is an actual coup.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Hearst_ on July 16, 2016, 12:29:50 am
It's over... Sultan Erdogan won once again.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 12:36:50 am
All of this is happening because you fuckers are slacking and stopped visiting this forum, so reality has to compensate with interesting events occurring every day.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:37:37 am
It's over... Sultan Erdogan won once again.

Both the military and the establishment have been trying to present it as a fait accompli that they have already won, from the very start. It's clearly not over yet.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vibe on July 16, 2016, 12:39:06 am
erdogan calls people to streets while theres actual shooting going on, and these people actually go lmao, some serious brain damage
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 12:39:20 am
Regardless how this ends, it is going to be a mess from now on. Countries after military coup d'état are never pleasant place to live.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 12:39:26 am
1. Hadn't there been another Coup D'etat before that Sultan Erdogan quelled?

2. Would be amazing if this actually goes through and a miracle.

3. Lol
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 12:41:13 am
Oh yeah, in case you haven't noticed. Chances were extremely slim till now, but if EU is still standing in upcoming years you can be 100% sure Turkey is never going to become part of it. Ever.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:42:25 am
Turkey has a military coup every couple decades or so. There's not going to be a military junta or dictatorship if the coup topples Erdogan, they have a long tradition of transitioning power to the civil sphere as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:43:19 am
Oh yeah, in case you haven't noticed. Chances were extremely slim till now, but if EU is still standing in upcoming years you can be 100% sure Turkey is never going to become part of it. Ever.

There's more chances than with Erdogan and AKP leading the country. Still no chance though.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 12:53:09 am
It's a shame if this fails and they didn't succeed in taking Erdogan down atleast.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 16, 2016, 12:56:34 am
It'll fail because of the braindead AKP supporters. The bad thing with democracy is that it is a double bladed sword : the leaders reflect the majority most of the time. Unfortunately for most freedom partisans, most of the population is brainwashed, they're going to put back Erdogan in place in no time, even if the military is going to shoot them.

The military just shot demonstrators on the bosphorus bridge a few minutes ago, it's all going south now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 12:59:16 am
AKP has been losing local elections across the board, only reason Erdogan was still in power is because he kept extending his mandate. This coup didn't come out of the ether.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 16, 2016, 01:05:17 am
In the best of cases (for the coup), Erdogan has like 40/45% of the population behind him. That's still a large part of the population, while we don't even know what percentage of the military is actually involved in the putch.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 01:09:24 am
Someone on another forum brought up a good point. If this would succeed it would bring in tons of AKP loving Islamists from Turkey into the West claiming ''asylum''.

So sounds like a double edged sword. Win for Turkey if it's succeeds and loss for rest of Europe if it succeeds
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 01:12:53 am
Someone on another forum brought up a good point. If this would succeed it would bring in tons of AKP loving Islamists from Turkey into the West claiming ''asylum''.

So sounds like a double edged sword. Win for Turkey if it's succeeds and loss for rest of Europe if it succeeds

Doesnt make sense that if it succeeds they wouldn't let people go abroad like that.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Hearst_ on July 16, 2016, 01:14:21 am
Well keep talking guys but its over(sad but true). Islamic State of Turkey is coming. Sultan Erdogan is stronger now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 01:15:09 am
Well keep talking guys but its over(sad but true). Islamic State of Turkey is coming. Sultan Erdogan is stronger now.

Twitter updates says it's still going on. Saw a guy got run over by a Tank on Instagram lol.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Hearst_ on July 16, 2016, 01:19:50 am
Twitter updates says it's still going on. Saw a guy got run over by a Tank on Instagram lol.
That was 2 hours ago m8 believe me.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 01:23:39 am
That was 2 hours ago m8 believe me.

There's live feeds of it right now. It's not over lol
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Hearst_ on July 16, 2016, 01:25:35 am
There's live feeds of it right now. It's not over lol
We will see, everybody'll talk about Sultan Erdogan's victory tomorrow.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Overdriven on July 16, 2016, 01:28:01 am
Supposedly jets are engaging the coups helicopters. Apparently one already shot down.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 01:39:40 am
We will see, everybody'll talk about Sultan Erdogan's victory tomorrow.

It doesn't work like that. Uprising or coup don't happen out of blue sky and end next day, with perpetrators being put on trial for treason and shot. Population will divide, things will become ugly on the streets in time to come. Doesn't matter who wins.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 01:44:42 am
Imams and mosques encouraging people to get in the streets to protest the coup and masses of retards chanting Allah Akbar. I hope tanks plow through all of them.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 01:47:54 am
Most likely the coup will fail but you cant believe any info you get atm, corps still hold the airports bridges and they re on strike against the parliament.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Xesta on July 16, 2016, 01:55:55 am
Didn't the parlament in ankara just get bombed?!  :shock:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 02:00:19 am
Oh yeah, in case you haven't noticed. Chances were extremely slim till now, but if EU is still standing in upcoming years you can be 100% sure Turkey is never going to become part of it. Ever.
If we (The UK) succeed after leaving the EU I believe there's a 95% chance that it will die.
So basically what's going to happen is that the EU are going to shit on us as much as they possibly can.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 02:12:32 am
No clue how accurate this is, but supposedly this is tracking the private plane Erdogan is on. Seems like it's heading for Istanbul after idling over the western coast in circles for a while.

https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 16, 2016, 02:16:14 am
GG Turkey.

Military lost.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 02:37:59 am
GG Turkey.

Military lost.

U sure? Parliament just got bombed to pieces and military just said in a message that they control the whole country now. Whether it's Pro Sultan Erdogan army or the others isn't clear.

Plus some of the coup soldiers just took over CNN Turk building apparently.

EDIT: Also this https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/754111547660640256

Seems like there's also a lot of Pro Erdogan media trying to downplay it
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Araxiel on July 16, 2016, 02:40:16 am
Great, heard a jet flying close and an explosion. Lost my shit there. Can't see what happened tho.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 02:42:04 am
they took CNN just now, shits still on
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 02:43:41 am
Great, heard a jet flying close and an explosion. Lost my shit there. Can't see what happened tho.

Dat moment when u borrowed ur MW Stones to ur clan friend and can't use them urself now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 02:45:54 am
Most of the pro-coup people are staying home and indoors like they were told to, most of those on the street are pro-Erdogan useful idiot lemmings who got told by their glorious leader and their religious authorities to go out in the street and protest the coup at the risk of their lives while Erdogan fled on a private plane.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 02:46:07 am
welp. i guess it wasn't a fake coup.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 02:48:37 am
What happens with NATO membership?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 02:50:45 am
Great, heard a jet flying close and an explosion. Lost my shit there. Can't see what happened tho.

Hide, you silly templol.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 02:51:58 am
Won't change whatever happens. The whole of Anatolia could be depopulated and NATO would still negotiate with the fucking wildlife there just for access to the straits. Although NATO won't interfere to save Erdogan's ass. In fact I'm sure a lot of highly placed people are hoping the coup succeeds, while simultaneously hedging their bets in public. It doesn't cost them anything to say they "condemn" the coup.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 02:53:29 am
Live stream they just took over CNN Turk. Shots fired and craziness. Holy shiet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 02:56:29 am
well, if there is one thing that comes out of this, I think Turkey's chance to enter the EU just went down the drain.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 02:59:05 am
Dat comment feed... world has really gone to shit. People are treating this like some kind of prank.

Bet if 'slims attacked some US towers (again), nearby passengers would be like 'its k bro, you can stop now, we had enuff fun'.

Psycho-pass has an episode about it.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 03:00:28 am
Lol the people are chanting stuff and allahu ekber. This coup proves what the AKP supporters truly are.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:01:39 am
You think that's bad? There's some streams I'm watching that are basically pol and 4chan levels of retard combined. Complacent narcissistic idiots who live in their own little bubbles and treat everything as a joke, until it affects them personally.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 03:01:58 am
Lol the people are chanting stuff and allahu ekber. This coup proves what the AKP supporters truly are.

Those are trolls. AKP supporters probably have no electricity in their homes, cuz ya know, haram.

Edit: Also, being outside. Dying for their padisah.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:05:20 am
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 03:05:23 am
You think that's bad? There's some streams I'm watching that are basically pol and 4chan levels of retard combined. Complacent narcissistic idiots who live in their own little bubbles and treat everything as a joke, until it affects them personally.
All I see in the chat is just DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Prpavi on July 16, 2016, 03:05:51 am
Ok, dude got a mic, translation pls
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 03:06:37 am
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.

lmao i want erdogan to fight the lead officer in a single combat to resolve this
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 03:06:42 am
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.
So basically what is happening is that the military said "fuck off m9" and are now trying to fucking murder kill erdogan. (Eh, murder is strong, considering it's erdogan)

i honestly don't know what the hell is going on but that's what i've gotten from what i've read.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Prpavi on July 16, 2016, 03:07:51 am
I understood Alahu Akbar, guess that sums it up.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 03:08:30 am
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.

I'm not pro coup or military ruling in general but I sure hope he gets Ceaușescu treatment.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 03:11:52 am
brief history if you re trying to catch up

-TSK blocked Bosphorus
-TSK seized general staff of TSK
-TSK blocked airports
-TSK seized TRT and announced that they ve taken over
-Government and Erdogan called people to defend democracy in the streets
-TSK lost control over some landmarks
-TSK bombed parliament
-TSK took over Dogan Media Center and shut CNN down
-Shits still on
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Prpavi on July 16, 2016, 03:12:19 am
Can you guys put up some more live streams
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 03:15:20 am
brief history if you re trying to catch up

-TSK blocked Bosphorus
-TSK seized general staff of TSK
-TSK blocked airports
-TSK seized TRT and announced that they ve taken over
-Government and Erdogan called people to defend democracy in the streets
-TSK lost control over some landmarks
-TSK bombed parliament
-TSK took over Dogan Media Center and shut CNN down
-Shits still on

do you know why they did all this? i mean i know erdogan is a cunt but did they put up some reason for this somewhere?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:17:38 am
http://www.glturk.com/
http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mq5hrUDoYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg

a lot of the turkish channels are dead now, but were the most interesting ones when they were still running. I'll spare you the 4chan type ones, idiots streaming split screen BLM protests and footage from LA 1992 riots at the same time and other completely irrelevant shit.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:18:12 am
do you know why they did all this? i mean i know erdogan is a cunt but did they put up some reason for this somewhere?
“Turkish Armed Forces have completely taken over the administration of
the country to reinstate constitutional order, human rights and
freedoms, the rule of law and the general security that was damaged,” the statement annonced. “All international agreements are still valid. We hope that all of our good relationships with all countries will continue.”
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 03:20:39 am
do you know why they did all this? i mean i know erdogan is a cunt but did they put up some reason for this somewhere?

they explained why when they captured TRT, was a good speech tbh cabt really say anything was wrong in it except the coup itself. its basicly cus country goes downhill real quick cus y know ottoman empire reloaded
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 03:22:21 am


oops, didn't spot that, my bad.
Thanks as well Kratos, explanation helps :p
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:23:04 am
So unfortunately seems like Erdogan is alive and well, making a speech from the airport.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:29:05 am
This fucking piece of shit, talking about traitors and "cleansing" the military and that those who carried out the coup will "pay a heavy price". That this is "Not the Old Turkey anymore". Does he really expect the coup organizers to back down after that?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:30:36 am
http://thewatchtv.com/turkey-military-coup-live-stream-from-turkey/

compilation of different streams. I have way too many tabs and windows open.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 03:36:09 am
Shillary shown her support for democratically elected leader lol
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 03:38:59 am
This fucking piece of shit, talking about traitors and "cleansing" the military and that those who carried out the coup will "pay a heavy price". That this is "Not the Old Turkey anymore". Does he really expect the coup organizers to back down after that?
Pay a heavy price?
Him and what army? Good luck taking the country back from the ones who are the center of ALL your power.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 03:39:14 am
They are literally fighting in cities, i heard two or more  jets flying low altitude 20minutes ago. Also an explosion...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vibe on July 16, 2016, 03:40:09 am
Shillary shown her support for democratically elected leader lol

they connect on a democratic level, obviously
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 03:40:46 am
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Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN saying the coup plotters made "a lot of mistakes—not arresting the president, not shutting off the internet..."

 :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 03:41:55 am
Pay a heavy price?
Him and what army? Good luck taking the country back from the ones who are the center of ALL your power.

You should watch Tyrant.

Also this: https://twitter.com/Anonops_Live/status/754076441655013376/photo/1
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 03:45:17 am
ima sleep say gl
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 03:45:54 am
1 more jet right now wtf
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 03:48:23 am
RT says heavy fighting in streets of Ankara.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 03:50:03 am
ima sleep say gl

When u wake up there will be soldiers surrounding ur bed ready to gangbang u. Lel
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 03:53:12 am
RT says heavy fighting in streets of Ankara.

They bombed the parliament buidling several times, also firing with helicopters then one of them landed around that area...

I'm in Istanbul and heard several jets flying  low altitude which is gonna break all my windows soon and several explosions.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Araxiel on July 16, 2016, 03:53:23 am
About 10 minutes ago an earthquake happened or something blew up. I am not sure. This is annoying. I am also in Istanbul.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Prpavi on July 16, 2016, 03:59:11 am
On Al jazeera they are calling it a fail coup already
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 04:00:13 am
On Al jazeera they are calling it a fail coup already

It started as a coup then turned into war i would say. If it was a coup you would arrest all the politicians early morning while they were sleeping then you name the coup.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 04:11:25 am
You should watch Tyrant.

Also this: https://twitter.com/Anonops_Live/status/754076441655013376/photo/1

Oh, forgive my western ignorance then, had no idea that their system was like that. That's actually a pretty neat system. I mean, minus all the death that has come of it you can't lie that the system could work terrifically so long as it's used correctly. I don't know whether if it's been used correctly here (But from what I've seen it seems to be)

(But seriously, police vs the fucking Navy, Airforce AND the army? I'd surrender instantly)

Damn, if only we had that system when David Cameron was killing our country.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 04:11:50 am
On Al jazeera they are calling it a fail coup already

Lol of course they are. You can tell the cuck and regressive media outlets (Al-Jazeera is just straight up fundie muslim propaganda by the theocratic feudal Qatari kingdom) by how emphatically they're emphasizing that the already defeated coup is lead by a "small" faction of the military, that the populace are united behind Erdogan and defending "democracy" (lol), that the legitimately elected government is under attack by evil power mongers. The worst part is Erdogan blaming some completely random political enemy who's currently in fucking Pensylvania for orchestrating the coup, because he's particularly hated among his power base.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 04:12:37 am
About 10 minutes ago an earthquake happened or something blew up. I am not sure. This is annoying. I am also in Istanbul.
Massive "coup" going on with death happening and potential life threatening situations and an explosion nearby

"fuck sake this is really annoying"

you are my hero
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Turkhammer on July 16, 2016, 04:49:08 am
Shillary shown her support for democratically elected leader lol

So's Obumstead.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 16, 2016, 06:22:20 am
And they said it's The End of History...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Killer on July 16, 2016, 06:37:48 am
Welp Bannerlord gonna be postponed for another two years because of this
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 07:23:33 am
15/7 was an inside job

tank fuel cant melt steel beams
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2016, 07:36:39 am
So, it's over now?

damn, I just woke up to this crazyness and it's all over. No drama for me
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: BASNAK on July 16, 2016, 08:47:17 am
Dam the military got fokt. Erdogan wins again.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: WarLord on July 16, 2016, 09:10:58 am
So, it's over now?

damn, I just woke up to this crazyness and it's all over. No drama for me

Same here. I had 40 messages on facebook because one of my friends is on holiday in turkey haha :D
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: darmaster on July 16, 2016, 09:30:57 am
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 16, 2016, 10:03:58 am
or what part of the army is trying to take over? a few only? or some big core?

ok so only a few, cleansing of the army can start now turning turkey into religious state. bye bye :(
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 10:30:12 am
Seems it's not over at all. Seems to still be a group holding on to the outskirts of Ankara and another wave can come soon.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 16, 2016, 10:32:11 am
Seems it's not over at all. Seems to still be a group holding on to the outskirts of Ankara and another wave can come soon.

sure, lol :D
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 10:58:03 am
sure, lol :D

Well Erdogan said to his Islamist supporters to stay out in the streets in case of another wave.

That said it's hard to get through proper fact based news at this point since it's so many biased news agencies. Pro Erdogan people said it was over like 10 hours ago and that it was under control lol
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 11:28:27 am
Not sure if i should support a military coup or the extremists outside shouting ''alllah akbar'' every single minute to defend the so-called democracy.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 11:43:40 am
Not sure if i should support a military coup or the extremists outside shouting ''alllah akbar'' every single minute to defend the so-called democracy.

All I heard last night at the live streams ''TAKBIR ALLAHOOO AKBAR!...TAKBIIIR ALLAHUUUU AKBAR! TAKBIR ALLAHU AKBAR!''.

And then you got the Radicals attacking people who were out drinking and listening to music during Ramadan in Istanbul a few weeks ago. It's clear Erdogans Islamist government is a success for the radicals. Surprised not enough Kemalists joined in on this if it's true that it was just a small group of people from the army. This was their chance to take down the Sultan.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 12:11:17 pm
I hope EU accepts me as refugee.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Osiris on July 16, 2016, 12:14:09 pm
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PM Yildrim has announced that a country that would stand by cleric Gulen won't be a friend of Turkey and will be considered to be at war with Turkey, referring to Muhammed Fethullah Gülen, a former Turkish preacher living in self-imposed exile in the United States
.

So Turkey gonna declare war on USA if they dont hand the guy over?  :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 12:18:42 pm
Some of those extremists who went out last night cut the throad of a soldier at bosphorus bridge ISIS style. I think you can find the photo. I have a feeling that more crazy shits gonna happen soon.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 12:35:19 pm
I hope EU accepts me as refugee.

Or Egypt. That way u still get the nice weather but atleast a military that can successfully perform a coup.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 12:43:45 pm
Or Egypt. That way u still get the nice weather but atleast a military that can successfully perform a coup.

I'm done with islamic bullshits to be honest Egypt would be a bad choice...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2016, 12:45:45 pm
I'm done with islamic bullshits to be honest

And you want to come to the EU?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 12:46:37 pm
And you want to come to the EU?

 :lol:

Good point  :D Canada it is then, i can speak both french and english so that should be ok for them 
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2016, 12:49:47 pm
Good point  :D Canada it is then, i can speak both french and english so that would be ok for them

Canada? Oh boy.

Go to Iceland. Kebabs really hate these cold places up north.
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 16, 2016, 12:52:16 pm
Time for a research to find the least population of Turklings
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 01:06:56 pm
Welp Bannerlord gonna be postponed for another two years because of this

It will take awhile to setup new studio in Malta.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 01:22:25 pm
they fucking cut the head of a soldier after he surrendered

im so fucking done
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 16, 2016, 01:24:47 pm
Kirman, I'd suggest Netherlands, France or Canada, even thought some parts of France contain a lot of turks (I'm from Bordeaux, and I had a lot of Turkish people at Junior High School to Uni) . I'd try Bretagne or things up the north/west to avoid high immigration zones.

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Do not go near of Germany tho.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 16, 2016, 01:38:14 pm
they fucking cut the head of a soldier after he surrendered

im so fucking done

The ones from the Bosphorus bridge, or others?
Those from the bridge had been firing on the civilians, pretty sure a couple shots hit people, cant really blame them for going nuts after the coup failed, even though the modus operandi and the fact that they were so proud feels a lot like ISIS.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 01:38:24 pm
they fucking cut the head of a soldier after he surrendered

im so fucking done

Now imagine 15-20 years from now, lazy ass white gamer population in Europe dwindling. At the same time refugee muslim population booming, multiculturalism going strong. We all love each other, yadda yadda... then one evening religious leader from some fucking cave in Afghanistan takes over all media outlets (Mr Robot style) and calls out to muslim people to end tyranny of Christians and form Islamic state in Europe. Army enters streets, just be smashed to pieces by millions of former immigrants. Two days later, Europe is Muslim!

Vanga knew it all along...

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Other of her predictions include that Europe will be transformed into an Islamic caliphate and the transformation will be complete in the year 2043, that communism will return to Europe and the rest of the world in 2076 and that there will be a war on Mars in 3005.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2016, 01:40:10 pm
It's over for Turkey, Erdogan is going to absolutely lose his shit after this.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 01:42:22 pm
To nuke or not to nuke, that is the question at hand.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2016, 01:49:39 pm
Seriously, the backlash from this... get ready for some serious purges. And freedoms go bye bye.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 16, 2016, 01:52:09 pm
There is no question whatsoever domestically: Erdogan killed/imprisoned political enemies, won prestige, gonna tighten his control over his military, his rule is stronger.
The only question is how the foreign power will act: will they change their stance on Turkey, or keep doing the same things? IMO there is still not enough arguments against Erdogan that could be used by western governments and medias to justify a diplomatic switch from friendly/neutral to hostile after this coup attempt.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 16, 2016, 01:52:43 pm
All he needed to build an image around his power : a failled putsch. I'd get the fuck out of Turkey if I were you turkish lads.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 16, 2016, 01:55:25 pm
and calls out to muslim people to end tyranny of Christians and form Islamic state in Europe. Army enters streets, just be smashed to pieces by millions of former immigrants. Two days later, Europe is Muslim!

Don't worry, Poles will save the day once again, like in 1683.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2016, 01:55:47 pm
There is no question whatsoever domestically: Erdogan killed/imprisoned political enemies, won prestige, gonna tighten his control over his military, his rule is stronger.
The only question is how the foreign power will act: will they change their stance on Turkey, or keep doing the same things? IMO there is still not enough arguments against Erdogan that could be used by western governments and medias to justify a diplomatic switch from friendly/neutral to hostile after this coup attempt.

Are you high? He won, why the hell would they turn on him? They need him as much as ever and now he's crushed dissenting forces so it's clear he's not going anywhere. Have you not seen the news, it's condemnations of the coup across the board. Now he's going to use this as justification to consolidate his power even further and silence all critics in the future, at which point some EU leaders might make some displeased noises, but nothing more than that.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 01:55:50 pm
You're a fool Butan or just blissfully acting like one. Of course European and American officials will support democracy, they already did. But this will have serious implications for everybody. This is esentially win for Islam against part of a huge army. Let that sink a bit and it may come to you how shitty this is. Well you probably won't have any clue until some rag headed lunatic slit your throat in the name of Allah.

I do sound like Oberyn a bit... but after these events I hold firm stance that religion of Islam is the number one enemy to the world peace and must be eradicated, by peaceful means of course. If not possible, then tighten the policies. Islam can't be ignored, not after this, not after what happened in past few years around the world.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 16, 2016, 01:58:41 pm
Are you high? He won, why the hell would they turn on him?

You're a fool Butan or just blissfully acting like one. Of course European and American officials will support democracy, they already did.

Dunno if you read my post, but I just said exactly the same thing? You probably skipped over a "not" somewhere.


Didnt read the news about how most of the nations reacted, sad that everyone still supports Erdogan, but as I said it was obvious that it would be that way.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 01:59:30 pm

Mark my words, we're so gonna have a civil war.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 02:04:20 pm
Western leaders have a hard-on for Islamic dictators, I think that would be obvious by now. Don't worry though, people like Hamas and other muslim terrorist organizations celebrating the defeat of the coup is just completely random and meaningless. So was all the mosques and imams preaching support for Sultan Erdogan, and the idiotic lemmings shouting Allah Akbar as they behead soldiers. Not all muslims, religion of peace, think of the moderates, etc.

Congrats Leshma, for finally catching up years after the fact. You are now officially a fascist chocolate chip cookie einstein supporter. Enjoy arguing with blind, brainwashed complacent idiots who still think everything is hunky dory. If it comes between them and their little, idiotic self-centered lives they don't want to know about it. The central and obvious issue will continue to be ignored by regressive apologists in the West until it affects them personally. So never for the traitorous cuck "leaders" who stand far appart from any consequences.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 02:21:12 pm
Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors HSYK lays off 2,745 judges (http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2016/07/16/supreme-board-of-judges-and-prosecutors-hsyk-lays-off-2745-judges)

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The Turkish Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK) laid off 2,745 judges and removed five HSYK members after an extraordinary meeting on Saturday, which came after a failed coup attempt by the Gülenist Terror Organization (FETÖ).

Some members of the state council who have connections with the FETÖ terror organization were also detained, according to the state-run Anadolu Agency.

Democracy my ass...

If there were any doubts before, now it is blatantly clear that Turkey is full blown autocracy and run by dictator. Of course that won't stop Shillary's of western world to spread bullshit, but they know very well none of what they are saying is true. At some point they'll switch and start singing another song.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2016, 03:00:06 pm
Congrats Leshma, for finally catching up years after the fact. You are now officially a fascist chocolate chip cookie einstein supporter.

e=mc2
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Flans on July 16, 2016, 03:16:38 pm
This is a great win for democracy. I'm proud of the Turkish people and their leaders.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: dagu807 on July 16, 2016, 03:20:07 pm
This is a great win for democracy. I'm proud of the Turkish people and their leaders.
"Great win for democracy"
Having a hardline muslim who does shady shit with Isis, while having a population that behaves like scum is a great win for democracy?
I bet my money that you are a swede, because that way of thinking is ridiculous
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 03:34:27 pm
This is a great win for democracy. I'm proud of the Turkish people and their leaders.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 03:55:01 pm
can someone catch me up on wtf happened since i went to sleep?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 16, 2016, 04:03:34 pm
I hope EU accepts me as refugee.

you probably couldn't ask for a worse time to find a new home as a "muslim" :)

on the other hand since goatfucker won the turkey now, most of the turks leaving the country now will be those reasonable and educated ones - so good boost for any country that accepts them.

its just a "destiny" of shit countries to turn over the better part of their population to the good countries while they keep the shitheads. i'm also from one of such countries and whenever it seems that things could change for the better, you usually find out that morons are still to strong. we're getting close to that deciding point again in czech  rep - either better future for everyone or emigration for smarter ones. my destination would probably be australia or canada (a lot of liberties, not over populated, a lot of working options...), definitely not eu.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 04:07:02 pm
can someone catch me up on wtf happened since i went to sleep?

Coup failed. Soldiers being tortured and slaughtered by mob. Military officials arrested, will be put on trial and shot. Institutions will be purged from those who oppose the Emprah, they started with judicial system.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 04:07:41 pm
Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors HSYK lays off 2,745 judges (http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2016/07/16/supreme-board-of-judges-and-prosecutors-hsyk-lays-off-2745-judges)

Democracy my ass...

If there were any doubts before, now it is blatantly clear that Turkey is full blown autocracy and run by dictator. Of course that won't stop Shillary's of western world to spread bullshit, but they know very well none of what they are saying is true. At some point they'll switch and start singing another song.

*tinfoil hat*

Around 3000 judges who all were immediately just hours after the coup tracked and laid off? This sounds like a false flag event done to grant Sultan Erdogan more power and those judges were already on a ''list'' before. Now Erdogan can replace them with 100% loyal dogs. Plus Erdogan can cleanse the army and make sure they have less powers after this.

There were a lot rumors about it being a false flag coup which could explain the idiotic tactics of those in charge.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 04:10:28 pm
Older Turks who witnessed last coup agree that this is staged coup. But who knows, maybe they were desperate. Could be that support for secularism is extremely low in Turkey.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 04:10:37 pm
Coup failed. Soldiers being tortured and slaughtered by mob. Military officials arrested, will be put on trial and shot. Institutions will be purged from those who oppose the Emprah, they started with judicial system.

Huh, strange, who would have thought people and police would have beat an entire military group, I'm going back to my previous belief that this is staged to make Erdogan the "hero"
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 04:15:07 pm
Older Turks who witnessed last coup agree that this is staged coup. But who knows, maybe they were desperate. Could be that support for secularism is extremely low in Turkey.

Yeah, my parents and grandparents agree. I mean it doesnt make sense in some points, that they blocked the Bosphorus in an active hour (most used road in Turkey in a Friday night srsly), a reasonable coup would start in 3-4 AM when everyone was sleeping, in a Sunday night perhaps. There are many things that doesn't make sense.And civilian brutality will go unpunished, I guarantee you that.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 04:15:46 pm
Huh, strange, who would have thought people and police would have beat an entire military group, I'm going back to my previous belief that this is staged to make Erdogan the "hero"

Civilians and police officers with jets... That or it's not actually police versus military. You can't expect the entire army to be involved in the coup. My guess is that it's maybe a quarter of the army rebelling.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 04:15:56 pm
This being staged is good news for Turkey, means there is hope. If not, then all hope is lost because those who oppose radical Islam are tiny portion of general population.

But democracy won, just like with Brexit :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 04:23:34 pm
Merkel condemns attempted military coup in Turkey, urges rule of law (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-germany-merkel-idUSKCN0ZW0S3)
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 16, 2016, 04:26:13 pm
Civilians and police officers with jets... That or it's not actually police versus military. You can't expect the entire army to be involved in the coup. My guess is that it's maybe a quarter of the army rebelling.
the goverment says that to. but i dont belive thoose soldiers are radical islam supporters because allready our goverment is radical islam supporter. Also our soldiers are not villain. soldiers with higher rank. if commands u, u have to follow it
let me explain u with a pic.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 04:32:44 pm
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 16, 2016, 04:34:17 pm
*tinfoil hat*

Around 3000 judges who all were immediately just hours after the coup tracked and laid off? This sounds like a false flag event done to grant Sultan Erdogan more power and those judges were already on a ''list'' before. Now Erdogan can replace them with 100% loyal dogs. Plus Erdogan can cleanse the army and make sure they have less powers after this.

There were a lot rumors about it being a false flag coup which could explain the idiotic tactics of those in charge.

of course it was not a false coup - at least not for those that did it and not for those that died in the streets. but what is possible is, that the leading officials knew about it in advance and were well prepared and let it go. you also can manipulate group of people by infiltrating them and pushing them then to do what you want. in this way you can provoke a coup that you can handle. so much for the theory. we won't know the truth anytime soon. not that it matters anymore...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 04:36:34 pm
It does ring a bell of Reichstag fire a bit.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 04:37:10 pm
of course it was not a false coup - at least not for those that did it and not for those that died in the streets.

you can't be sure though, they killed more people for their ambitions before.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2016, 04:43:27 pm
Merkel condemns attempted military coup in Turkey, urges rule of law (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-germany-merkel-idUSKCN0ZW0S3)

can merkel just gtfo out of politics already
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Paul on July 16, 2016, 05:02:30 pm
Everyone else said the same. Can they gtfo too?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 05:10:43 pm
the goverment says that to. but i dont belive thoose soldiers are radical islam supporters because allready our goverment is radical islam supporter. Also our soldiers are not villain. soldiers with higher rank. if commands u, u have to follow it
let me explain u with a pic.

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Are all commanding officers supporting the coup? Every military base etc?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 16, 2016, 05:18:38 pm
the goverment says that to. but i dont belive thoose soldiers are radical islam supporters because allready our goverment is radical islam supporter. Also our soldiers are not villain. soldiers with higher rank. if commands u, u have to follow it
let me explain u with a pic.

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Seems more like a purge of the military. Wake up soldiers, surprise drill time! Ok guys sit on this bridge! "Why is this large mob of people with knives shouting allah akbar approaching us?"
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2016, 05:22:32 pm
Poor fucks were under the delusion that people would side with them as long as they did not shoot civilians. They should have plowed through those crowds of snackbarian retards with tanks and pissed on the remains. I bet they're regretting their forebearance now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 16, 2016, 05:40:06 pm
Merkel condemns attempted military coup in Turkey (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-germany-merkel-idUSKCN0ZW0S3)

Only winners matter, she wouldn't have said that, if Erdogan had lost.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 16, 2016, 05:41:23 pm
Poor fucks were under the delusion that people would side with them as long as they did not shoot civilians. They should have plowed through those crowds of snackbarian retards with tanks and pissed on the remains. I bet they're regretting their forebearance now.

From some of the footage I've seen most of the soldiers look bewildered as to what is going on while they were being detained by angry mobs, looks to me like they were setup, way too unorganized to be a military coup.  Looks fishy. The coup starts on a friday when most soldiers are gone for the weekend and attack the Parliament when it's on summer recess? Seems like a good way to arrest soldiers when they are off duty, not a good way to overthrow the government lol.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Berserkadin on July 16, 2016, 05:50:58 pm
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754327682054225920 (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754327682054225920)

Reports of soldiers thinking this was just an excersise.

Sacrificing some soldiers and civilians is probably a price Erdogan would happily pay to consolidate his power, just saying...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 16, 2016, 05:58:05 pm
Fingers crossed, but it's extremely likely that the son of a whore (not Kratos, you know who) has staged this entire freak show. So that he can appear victorious tomorrow and pronounce himself the one and only president, which is his ultimate goal nowadays.

Second post. Gotta say, spot on.

Come Monday, what's left of Secular Turkey will be arrested. Following this, Riots will most likely start within a month.

So close in time right after the west has had another Islamic Terrorist Attack. Excellent way to stage something while the West is already beleaguered from Nice.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 16, 2016, 05:58:43 pm
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754327682054225920 (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754327682054225920)

Reports of soldiers thinking this was just an excersise.

Sacrificing some soldiers and civilians is probably a price Erdogan would happily pay to consolidate his power, just saying...

Who is left on garrison on a Friday night when most people are on leave? Babyfresh recruits who have no privileges, I find it hard to believe they would rely on them to be the backbone of a coup to overthrow the government.  Whole thing reeks of sketch.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2016, 06:00:32 pm
Seems like the biggest victims are the soliders who possibly thought this was just an exercise or what not. Now they get their throats slashes by Snackbarists, death threatened by majority of the population & Erdogan himself.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 06:06:31 pm
Shouldn't there be another, proper coup if this was just a ploy by Erdogan? It is more likely, staged or not that after Gezi Park protests Turkey lost its last bit of secularism and that now huge majority support Islamization. Rest are probably in idgaf phase.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 16, 2016, 06:07:16 pm
It looks like Erdogan has taken the opportunity to remove Gülan supporters too, while things are in motion.

2,839 (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-latest-news-istanbul-ankara-erdogan-twitter-beheading-social-media-a7140541.html) plotters detained. Turkish active military: 412,691 soldiers.

0.7 per cent.


Turkish military Blackhawk flees to Greece, the men request political asylum:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-turkish-military-helicopter-greece-soldiers-requests-asylum-lands-troops-latest-a7140431.html

Turkish PM calls coup terrorists, not soldiers:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-primeminister-politic-idUSKCN0ZW0TY?il=0

Soldiers claim commanders told them they were taking part in military maneuvers, not aware of being a part of a coup:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-latest-news-erdogan-istanbul-ankara-soliders-not-aware-part-of-overthrow-attempt-a7140611.html

Erdogan: "Coup attempt a gift from Allah."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/turkey-coup-conspiracy-theory-erdogan-military-gift-from-god-soldiers-istanbul-a7140516.html
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 16, 2016, 06:08:43 pm
Shouldn't there be another, proper coup if this was just a ploy by Erdogan? It is more likely, staged or not that after Gezi Park protests Turkey lost its last bit of secularism and that now huge majority support Islamization. Rest are probably in idgaf phase.

In Gezi we were merely rioting against the cops, this time they have suicide bombers, people are afraid to go out for shopping even. Erdofans go out freely of course, why would they be the target of an Islamist attack anyway
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 16, 2016, 06:14:56 pm
http://en.trend.az/world/turkey/2558810.html
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vibe on July 16, 2016, 07:12:03 pm
Hillary Clinton's response:

Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Prpavi on July 16, 2016, 08:03:13 pm
So basically Turkey is worse off today than it was yesterday, even more power for Erdogan, awesome...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 16, 2016, 08:50:51 pm
So basically Turkey is worse off today than it was yesterday, even more power for Erdogan, awesome...

Hey, it may be a good thing if the educated turks emigrate to EU. The sheep will stay down in their Daesh like country they seem to enjoy so much, so it's a gain for both parties.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: fetus on July 16, 2016, 08:54:27 pm
plz dont kill me im still a virgin  :cry:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 16, 2016, 09:43:48 pm
As I estimated in the beginning, it was staged. Some of the soldiers are reported to have said "We were sent out for a so-called drill. Only when people started climbing on the tanks, did we understand what we had been dragged into." Fully armed and supported by tanks, the soldiers indeed looked like they had no idea what was happening. They soon surrendered and you must have seen the pictures.

It is obvious that some officers convinced others to start a collective coup. They were sure it was going to hit home. Soon enough they realized they were left alone in the rain. Probably tasks had been assigned (like detaining mp's). And they were never fulfilled. That is why some of them haphazardly tried funny stuff like bombing the parliament midway.

In the end we have poor young kids whose sole concern was to complete their compulsory fucking service and go back home. Instead they got gutted by proud bearded apes, who were rallied by none other than the great Tard himself. Ok guys, everything is fucked beyond repair now. There is no use in discussing anything about the future of this place anymore.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Ujin on July 16, 2016, 09:55:43 pm
And the soldier driving an armored vehicle over a Tardogan supporter blocking the road also thought it was an exercise ?

P.S. Just to clarify, I'm on that soldier's side.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 16, 2016, 09:56:50 pm
Most probably an officer. If not, he was simply obeying the orders. When you are ordered, you just have to do it. Especially if the soldier was a secular guy himself and was fed up with the situation, he would have little reason not to obey.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 16, 2016, 10:01:12 pm
Apparently on the way to their "drill" the police were shooting at them, might explain why they were in such a hurry to get wherever they were supposed to go.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 10:12:42 pm
And the soldier driving an armored vehicle over a Tardogan supporter blocking the road also thought it was an exercise ?

P.S. Just to clarify, I'm on that soldier's side.

Doubt those cowards (look at the picture) were capable of running over bystanders but you never know.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Ujin on July 16, 2016, 10:25:07 pm
Doubt those cowards (look at the picture) were capable of running over bystanders but you never know.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Teeth on July 17, 2016, 12:01:09 am
I guess this means we won't see Erdogan gone till he dies, R.I.P. Atatürk's Turkey
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Mirliva on July 17, 2016, 12:27:02 am
It was so bad. There's somewhere bombarded by F16 close to my home. I felt the bomb like explode in my kitchen. That's not coup, there's an uncommon group in military tried to do that but they couldn't convience all the generals to join them. Whatever, there was tanks on the street (they killed lots of people with hitting them, F16 and Skorsky War Helicopters shot the buildings.. That  was not a coup, that was a formal terrorism.

Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 17, 2016, 01:36:17 am
Seems like it might've been a false flag staged coup and now according to Twitter updates https://twitter.com/search?q=Incirlik&src=typd  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/world/europe/turkey-us-incirlik-isis.html more crazy shit is happening

The US/Turkish Air Base Incirlik that houses US Nuclear Weapons has had power cut off possibly by the Turkish Gov and has had the airspace closed down making the people at the base stuck.

Seems like a dangerous game that Erdogan is playing. Fucker wants to be a sultan with his own nukes.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 01:55:33 am
Wasn't there a movie or tv show with exact same scenario?

Edit: It is called Body of Lies with Di Caprio. It is all about CIA agent infiltrating into terrorist cell. At the end he is faking terrorist attack on some American base in Turkey, if I remember right.

Edit2: Actually, now I remember that movie has scenes of terrorist attacks in busy areas of major European cities. It is one of those movies, like Demolition Man which guessed certain bits of future correctly.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 02:07:03 am
This is exactly what happens when a real coup happens though. You really think they confide to everyone of their soldiers what is the full extent of the general plan? Do any of you have any ideas how orders get from top to bottom? The "I though it was a drill" is probably what 99% of the soldiers are told when they are going to do illegal actions that they arent in on, but except if they have below 60 IQ you instantly know that there is something fishy when you're ordered to do more than passive patrol in a capital that hasnt reported any hostile activity. Its literaly like crossing the Rubicon.

The pro-Erdogan might have let this happen and were prepared, but I doubt that they would have organised a coup with political opponents that ended up dead or on trial. If someone that you hated called you and asked you to become a martyr for his own interest, would you accept?

What could also explain that the post-coup government was swift in its actions is that they were ready for this and had plans in case this happened. You can find lots of articles on Turkey being the target of a potential uprising, this means that they were prepared; it can also means that they knew and let it happen as said prior. False flag is definitely the top trendy illuminati term for events that doesnt go your way, everyone saying "yes this is it, it all makes sense!"  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 02:10:01 am
Quote
Incirlik Air Base is featured in the 2008 Ridley Scott espionage film, Body of Lies, where it is the site of a staged terrorist bombing.
Incirlik Air Base is mentioned in the 1997 film, Air Force One. It is the intended landing site for Air Force One after the aircraft is retaken from the hijackers. The aircraft is instead intercepted by Russian MiG's and crashes in the Caspian Sea.
Incirlik Air Base is featured in the 2003 video game Command and Conquer: Generals, where it is destroyed by terrorists.

rofl
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 17, 2016, 02:19:05 am
The pro-Erdogan might have let this happen and were prepared, but I doubt that they would have organised a coup with political opponents that ended up dead or on trial. If someone that you hated called you and asked you to become a martyr for his own interest, would you accept?

That is some very simple thinking. It's not like Erdogan would have walked up to them and proposed his plan. Probably something more along the lines of a few pro-erdogan high military staff preparing this with them. Why the fuck would any sane person perform a coup at 10 PM a friday night when the guy you want killed ain't even home.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 02:36:05 am
That is some very simple thinking. It's not like Erdogan would have walked up to them and proposed his plan. Probably something more along the lines of a few pro-erdogan high military staff preparing this with them. Why the fuck would any sane person perform a coup at 10 PM a friday night when the guy you want killed ain't even home.

Probably more convulated than that if it was indeed tried, but its still the same principle, I use that illustration to explain the extreme difficulty of the task.

I could list you all the successful/failed military coups in history that were performed around 10 PM on a friday night (dat false flag argument is the best btw) and, more on point, those that didnt catch/kill the leader of the nation in the process and you would probably be surprised. A great majority of the successful one had the most important dudes fleeing and living in exile afterwards, THEN dying or plotting revenge oftentimes both (TL;DR its not vital to kill Erdogan to take Turkey).
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 17, 2016, 02:45:14 am
Probably more convulated than that if it was indeed tried, but its still the same principle, I use that illustration to explain the extreme difficulty of the task.

I could list you all the successful/failed military coups in history that were performed around 10 PM on a friday night (dat false flag argument is the best btw) and, more on point, those that didnt catch/kill the leader of the nation in the process and you would probably be surprised. A great majority of the successful one had the most important dudes fleeing and living in exile afterwards, THEN dying or plotting revenge oftentimes both (TL;DR its not vital to kill Erdogan to take Turkey).

You could be right, I just find it amazing that merely hours after the coup fails he knows exactly who's behind it, that 2700 judges were in on it and that 3000 other unarmed soldiers were also involved. I'm sure whatever amateur officer led the coup also conveniently left behind a long list with all of his buddies named on it signed and everything  :lol:

All speculation and far fetched ideas aside I really don't know too much about Turkey, maybe it was blatantly obvious these were the people who would do such a thing, something obviously went really wrong for them.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 17, 2016, 02:54:17 am
^

An entire military coup went from start to fail in barely 12 hours. The army was defeated by civilians and cops, surrendering as quick as they got there. If a coup was in place, they wouldn't let them do that, but rather run the masses over like at the Tiananmen Square. The army is rising up. You'd expect them to have a few jets. I don't see how Erdogan would be ballsy enough to fly back within such a short time to hold a speech.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 17, 2016, 02:57:58 am

guy used facebook to put down the military coup lmao. Can anyone translate this?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 02:58:05 am
You could be right, I just find it amazing that merely hours after the coup fails he knows exactly who's behind it, that 2700 judges were in on it and that 3000 other unarmed soldiers were also involved.

You would be surprised how quick you can do dirty work when your life is on the line.

Important people like judges are likely to be monitored, I would count on Erdogan having a classified list of not pro-Erdogan judges updated with the years and activated after the failed coup. There is a lot of shitty things that are going to be justified thanks to this failed coup... in this I understand why a false flag seems so on the spot.

Soldiers are organised by units, finding those 3000 is likely to have been done by identifying their relative superiors and going down the chain of command, even probably down to a few hundreds that did nothing wrong but are detained anyway. Not hard to imagine that some were simply arrested in the streets "live".


^

An entire military coup went from start to fail in barely 12 hours. The army was defeated by civilians and cops, surrendering as quick as they got there. If a coup was in place, they wouldn't let them do that, but rather run the masses over like at the Tiananmen Square. The army is rising up. You'd expect them to have a few jets. I don't see how Erdogan would be ballsy enough to fly back within such a short time to hold a speech.

GL winning a coup if the people isnt with you, or at least not being passive. If you start shooting a couple hundreds unarmed civilians, you're done whatever you end up doing (winning/losing on the tactical side of things). Just look at Ukraine where violence was shared but it all fell on the government who quickly lost all legitimacy. From what I've read of this failed coup, the people in the streets did a great part of the job.
And most if not all coups were done in a day btw. Whether civil war followed or total "peaceful" transfer of power occured is another thing, but most coups are quick and dirty.
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guy used facebook to put down the military coup lmao. Can anyone translate this?

Would also like a translation. This could be what basically stopped the coup from happening, symbolically.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 17, 2016, 03:07:33 am
It's war, casualties are bound to happen.

Alright, maybe you'd not gun down a street full of civilians but then atleast you should've done the coup early morning 3-4 AM, not a friday evening like I said. The planning was bad overall.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 17, 2016, 03:14:29 am
The fact that Erdogan seems to have a mob of angry jihadi mofos on speed dial who have no problem charging at tanks for him makes the man a little questionable in himself to me. But other than that you are probably right Butan, my opinion might be biased.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 03:15:43 am
It's war, casualties are bound to happen.

Alright, maybe you'd not gun down a street full of civilians but then atleast you should've done the coup early morning 3-4 AM, not a friday evening like I said. The planning was bad overall.

Yep but in the world we live today, as soon as you shed civilian blood (even knives totting bearded apes*) you lose the support of the international community, and most "democratic" countries need that to survive (I added ""  :P ).
I cant judge how this would have been done at 3-4AM compared to what they did, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not an army general, but I dont think this a good argument. All plans fails to take into account everything, anything can go wrong even with a perfect planning.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 03:22:36 am
Democracy is a farce and we're learning that on real life examples. I'm for meritocracy btw. We're already owned by corporations, why not run government like one? There is no need for this charade where we pretend that government cares more about its people than corporation does for its employees. Corporations are much more honest and they don't allow idiots to take power.

I'm with Paul, get rid of politicians. Replace them with managers. Bury law and politics, employ harsh rules based on personal ability. Let this world flourish.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 17, 2016, 03:27:45 am
Democracy is a farce and we're learning that on real life examples. I'm for meritocracy btw. We're already owned by corporations, why not run government like one? There is no need for this charade where we pretend that government cares more about its people than corporation does for its employees. Corporations are much more honest and they don't allow idiots to take power.

I wouldn't say it's a farce, but it can very easily turn into one without the right amount of checks in place. As for Turkey I think the west as a whole is guilty of letting alot of their political farces slide because of their strategic location and value as an ally, and that is wrong. Obama shouldn't be openly praising and backing Erdogans democracy when he denounces Assad's... imo
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 03:37:18 am
Assad is Russian ally, Erdogan (was) American. Governments aren't flexible enough to create new bonds, best suited for current moment. Like you were advocating (USA - Russia closer relations). Politicians purposely do sloppy job because it allows them to cheat and amass wealth they do not deserve.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 04:16:23 am
Democracy is a farce and we're learning that on real life examples.

All kinds of government can be forcibly removed unfortunately.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: BASNAK on July 17, 2016, 10:33:49 am
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Mirliva on July 17, 2016, 01:45:49 pm

guy used facebook to put down the military coup lmao. Can anyone translate this?

He says:

+Don't worry, laws will answer that coup soldiers.

-She asks: Sincerely President; There's a rumor about coup soldiers hold hostage chief of general  staff, you know anything about that situation?

+ I heard all the rumors and news either but we don't know how true they are. You know when these kind of events could be happen, there's always complicated situations and now there's some complicated situations and who made this situations will pay that.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 17, 2016, 02:04:24 pm
At exactly 1:20 am on the night of the coup, imams all around Turkey started to shout out a salah. The salah is your classical azan which is delivered 5 times a day, only with a little difference in it: This one is reserved for a citizen's death announcement. It is delivered in a different musical mode than the ordinary azan and of course with different Arabic lines. At the end, the imam is expected to read out the deceased's name and announce where his/her funeral service will take place and when exactly. Also, it is typical for it to be heard during daylight, mostly in the mornings. However, this late-night salah was ended with an announcement inviting faithful Muslims to pour into the streets.

So, how exactly a shitton of imams got the idea to crawl into their minarets and start singing in unison all at the same time? I can see some of you saying "Mass SMS, duh!", yet it doesn't sound convincing. It looked like they were waiting for it. By the way, the salahs are now being delivered every now and then. We are hearing the imam like 20 times a day now. Each one is ended with some Muslim-patriotic calling. You just wouldn't believe it. It's like they are threatening us on live broadcast. The subtext reads: "Oh, we fucked you so nice and well. Let that sink in. Except we won't be letting it. We will just rape your ears continuously to remind you that your lives are over, suckers!"

Another little detail: You all know about the tv channel raid. The presenter who read the coup text later stated she was being held at gunpoint and it was horrible. A little video of her has just surfaced. It is reportedly minutes before she started reading. She appears calm, drinks her water and even gives thumbs up to the people behind the camera indicating she is about ready.

Well, of course this video might still be from earlier in the day. I can't be 100% sure about its authenticity. But it is there. Infer what you want with from it. Take it as proof or not. The most important piece of news you guys should know is the entire salah business I described in the first paragraph anyway.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 02:40:59 pm
I dont think that the social media power is to be underestimated Flockula, it has served a lot of times in the recent past to decide the victors.
I really bet on the fact that Erdogan won thanks to communication relayed everywhere which put too many anti-coup civilians in the streets to keep control of the capital and government.

But really its just a bet, my and your opinion are not superior or inferior, I mostly wanted to offer an alternative.
All in all, Erdogan has free reigns to turn Turkey into the most illiberal democracy in the world now. Good luck to all the anti-Erdogan people...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 17, 2016, 02:47:21 pm
As I said Butan, it matters less than little now. I am merely delivering news for those who would like to get them. As somebody recently wrote on Twitter "If aliens came now and told me to hop aboard, I'd simply go with them without a single question. I am that bored of this shit."
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Torben on July 17, 2016, 03:08:59 pm
the world took a plunge into a big shithole recently. and its swimming deeper and deeper -.-
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 03:56:31 pm
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Xant on July 17, 2016, 04:01:20 pm
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.
obligatory brainwashed turk post
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 04:02:26 pm
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.

typing your stuff in bold doesn't make it more interesting, or true for that matter  :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 04:10:37 pm
https://twitter.com/milliyet/status/754567170017923073

AS Monaco FC plays Fenerbahçe S.K. in CL qualifying match. They want to play outside Turkey. In those twitter comments, Turks say they should request the same because France is not safe. Wonder why...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 04:11:18 pm
typing your stuff in bold doesn't make it more interesting, or true for that matter  :lol:

its a nasty habit, i always write in bold in every forum. makes my willie hard you know. :twisted:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on July 17, 2016, 04:20:15 pm
Funny how quickly tardogan emprisoned judges, when he saw the coup he must just have tought "what a great opportunity!"
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 04:25:38 pm
this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack.

gold
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 17, 2016, 05:11:37 pm
I'd like terrorists to fight for Human rights, personal freedom and secularism more often tbh. Best terrorists I ever saw dude, especially when their target is a semi tyrant that is going to abuse of this opportunity to rule without any limit.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Berserkadin on July 17, 2016, 05:43:15 pm
Terrorist that didnt even plow down the masses of snackbars with machine gun fire eventough they had lots of opportunities. And then just gave up instead of going allah akbar.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 05:44:48 pm
Everyone else said the same. Can they gtfo too?

yes please
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 05:47:58 pm
I'd like terrorists to fight for Human rights, personal freedom and secularism more often tbh. Best terrorists I ever saw dude, especially when their target is a semi tyrant that is going to abuse of this opportunity to rule without any limit.


ah spare me of this bollocks. i wont choose a military dictatorship over a semi tyrant. its like asking a hyena to save a sheep from a wolf. you dont know what a coup is. elders in every family still have some stories to tell about the previous military coups. what they did to people in jails. human rights my ass.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 05:56:16 pm
Semi tyrant. Well lets see next week about that "semi" :lol:

Edit: He already made very significant change on early Saturday morning. Released "problematic" judges, that way putting an end to independent (was it ever?) judicial system. Means Turkey is not democratic society anymore. I see need for US government to intervene, to bring freedom to Turkish people. What do you think?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tibes on July 17, 2016, 05:58:37 pm
Still quite possible Erdo himself was involved in it. What coup doesnt take capturing the leader as a priority? Just look at that smug turkish mustache bastard now. He can arrest absolutely everybody he doesn't like and nobody will say a thing. He can easly now purge every inch of opposition he ever had. He can now shit on any law and claim himself as the God-Emperor of Turkkind.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 06:01:30 pm
Semi tyrant. Well lets see next week about that "semi" :lol: Edit: He already made very significant change on early Saturday morning. Released "problematic" judges, that way putting an end to independent (was it ever?) judicial system. Means Turkey is not democratic society anymore. I see need for US government to intervene, to bring freedom to Turkish people. What do you think?
he is gonna get more powers no doubt. all more reason to hate the coup. morons made everything even worse! about 'murica, nay no need to worry. we have no oil :mrgreen:

edit: if the coup was succeeded, there would be no erdogan yes, but instead we would have fetullah gulens minions ruling the whole country. secretly seizing the army, police, justice system etc. brutus and his friends thought killing ceasar would be the end of the tyranny, but later on octavian , a bigger dictator than ceasar, finished off the republic. see the similiarity?
 
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 06:03:56 pm
Dark Souls is unislamic. Probably devil worship. Let go of such degenerate foreign media, it is not worthy of a proper muslim. Were you in the streets during the coup? If there was any justice in the world every mongolic subhuman like yourself should've ended up ground meat in between tank treads. Enjoy your neo-Ottoman empire, fucking retard.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 17, 2016, 06:07:35 pm
Military dictatorship? Doesn't Turkey have a long history of the power being given back to the people after a coup?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 06:10:09 pm
Military dictatorship? Doesn't Turkey have a long history of the power being given back to the people after a coup?

This cunt regurgitated straight up AKP propaganda, I mean fucking cleric Gulen? What a dumbfuck. Yeah I'm sure he orchestrated this coup from fucking Pennsylvania, obviously with the help of evil American crusaders. Do you honestly expect anything rational from him?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 06:12:16 pm
he is gonna get more powers no doubt. all more reason to hate the coup. morons made everything even worse! about 'murica, nay no need to worry. we have no oil :mrgreen:

edit: if the coup was succeeded, there would be no erdogan yes, but instead we would have fetullah gulens minions ruling the whole country. secretly seizing the army, police, justice system etc. brutus and his friends thought killing ceasar would be the end of the tyranny, but later on octavian , a bigger dictator than ceasar, finished off the republic. see the similiarity?


If coup was real, that makes him dictator. Because uprisings don't happen to nice people, targets are always dictators.

In case coup was staged, then it was Erdogan using fake coup to fortify his power. To make himself into even stronger dictator.

In both cases, coup happened because Erdogan is dictator.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tibes on July 17, 2016, 06:13:23 pm
edit: if the coup was succeeded, there would be no erdogan yes, but instead we would have fetullah gulens minions ruling the whole country. secretly seizing the army, police, justice system etc. brutus and his friends thought killing ceasar would be the end of the tyranny, but later on octavian , a bigger dictator than ceasar, finished off the republic. see the similiarity?[/b]

I dont think I find the logic "lets leave this insane guy who clearly wants to burn our country to the ground alone, because coups are bad", very sound. Sounds like a loss of faith or fear.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 06:14:26 pm
you were right about one thing oberyn, im very unislamic alright. im an atheist actually and i dont support erdoğan. not even a bit. yet it doesnt mean i should support an illegal military coup. especially a coup that organised by fetullah the coon. now fuck off.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 06:23:26 pm
Military dictatorship? Doesn't Turkey have a long history of the power being given back to the people after a coup?

its not a dictatorship like saddam or qaddafi, army does the coup, get rid of the legitimate goverment, settle things up ( jail anyone that oppose the coup, mostly civilians ) , act like their job is done, and that they give the power back to people, until they dont like a goverment that doesnt lick their boots, they do coup again. this is how it was in Turkey in 20th century. and thats definitely not how democrasy works. and its not giving the power back to the people
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tibes on July 17, 2016, 06:24:12 pm
....
especially a coup that organised by fetullah the coon. now fuck off. [/b]

wat? Do you actually believe that horseshit?  :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 06:30:07 pm
What do you think of Atatturk? Do you realize the only reason your country isn't a backwards shithole islamic theocracy is because of the army? If the many coups were about the government not licking the army's boots, why would they ever give back power to the politicians? How fucking deluded are you that you think Erdogan and his cronies and the masses of AKP retards care about "democracy" and "the people"? Seriously kill yourself, you are too dumb to live.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Yeldur on July 17, 2016, 06:36:26 pm
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.
your logic is severely flawed
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 06:36:49 pm
wat? Do you actually believe that horseshit?  :lol:

i do. you people dont have any idea how strong that guy is. he is fucking protected by cia. he is rich af. his property in pennsylvania is protected by police and noone is allowed to get close. he got thousands of supporters here. ask any guy from turkey and he will tell you about him and his minions called ''cemaat''. infact, it was fetullah who helped erdogan gain power. they were best buddies until 2013. usa still refuse to give him to turkey even though its very bad for the relationship between turkey and usa. why?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 06:37:45 pm
wat? Do you actually believe that horseshit?  :lol:

Yes, it's Erdogan's political enemy Gulen that orchestrated the coup, because the government was not licking the army's boots. Two completely separate things, but he conflated them with nary an inkling of cognitive dissonance, because he's a stupid cunt. What that means exactly, who knows. I suppose being an insane megalomaniacal Sultan wannabe dictator = not licking the army's boots.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 06:40:00 pm
i do. you people dont have any idea how strong that guy is. he is fucking protected by cia. he is rich af. his property in pennsylvania is protected by police and noone is allowed to get close. he got thousands of supporters here. ask any guy from turkey and he will tell you about him and his minions called ''cemaat''. infact, it was fetullah who helped erdogan gain power. they were best buddies until 2013. usa still refuse to give him to turkey even though its very bad for the relationship between turkey and usa. why?

Yes, Turkey is the first country every in the history of the world that has had an exiled politician in another country and they refuse to extradite him. It's probably because evil american crusaders want to take down glorious Sultan Erdogan and weaken Turkey. GJ, you fucking moron.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 06:44:38 pm
What do you think of Atatturk? Do you realize the only reason your country isn't a backwards shithole islamic theocracy is because of the army? If the many coups were about the government not licking the army's boots, why would they ever give back power to the politicians? How fucking deluded are you that you think Erdogan and his cronies and the masses of AKP retards care about "democracy" and "the people"? Seriously kill yourself, you are too dumb to live.

Yes, Turkey is the first country every in the history of the world that has had an exiled politician in another country and they refuse to extradite him.

its not giving the power back to politicians if army try to take over the country whenever they want! how fucking retarded are you? fetullah gulen is not a politician. he is a cleric and the leader of an islamic group called ''cemaat''. get your facts straight. and it was the secularist army that exiled him...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 06:53:15 pm
By 2013 Erdogan had already purged the army and put his islamic cronies in charge. And he is Erdogan's political enemy, religion and politics is literally the same thing in Turkey and has been for a while. How are you so fucking ignorant about your own country? Again, you must be pretty fucking stupid if you think the many military coups were about the army doing "whatever they want" and not about safeguarding Attaturk's vision. The only reason your country isn't a shitty islamic theocracy is because of Attaturk and the army, it is literally their most important role. Seeing Erdogan and his brainwashed AKP lapdogs praise Attaturk even as they shit all over his legacy and everything he built is so fucking ironic. Nothing stoping the will of "the people" (the right ones at least) now though, they'll get exactly what they want.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Thomek on July 17, 2016, 06:58:28 pm
its not giving the power back to politicians if army try to take over the country whenever they want! how fucking retarded are you? fetullah gulen is not a politician. he is a cleric and the leader of an islamic group called ''cemaat''. get your facts straight. and it was the secularist army that exiled him...

Gulen is the perfect enemy. A guy running secret networks around the country. Anyone can be a Gulenist! If I was a dictator, I would so nourish such an idea. Gives perfect excuse to arrest anyone.

Don't buy this bullshit.

Coup was either likely staged, or "allowed" by Erdogan. Perfect way to trap his enemies in the army. It only takes 1 rat to destroy the whole plan, and he was most likely warned. Still, if he hadn't been able to reach the population and tell them to go into the streets, it might have turned out much different. At the least it would have been much longer and bloodier.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 07:00:46 pm
Gulen is the perfect enemy. A guy running secret networks around the country. Anyone can be a Gulenist! If I was a dictator, I would so nourish such an idea. Gives perfect excuse to arrest anyone.

Don't buy this bullshit.

Coup was either likely staged, or "allowed" by Erdogan. Perfect way to trap his enemies in the army. It only takes 1 rat to destroy the whole plan, and he was most likely warned. Still, if he hadn't been able to reach the population and tell them to go into the streets, it might have turned out much different. At the least it would have been much longer and bloodier.

But but Emmanuel Goldstein!!
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 07:09:41 pm
By 2013 Erdogan had already purged the army and put his islamic cronies in charge. And he is Erdogan's political enemy, religion and politics is literally the same thing in Turkey and has been for a while. How are you so fucking ignorant about your own country? Again, you must be pretty fucking stupid if you think the many military coups were about the army doing "whatever they want" and not safeguarding Attaturk's vision. The only reason your country isn't a shitty islamic theocracy is because of Attaturk and the army, it is literally their most important role. Seeing Erdogan and his brainwashed AKP lapdogs praise Attaturk even as they shit all over his legacy and everything he built is so fucking ironic. Nothing stoping the will of "the people" (the right ones at least) now though, they'll get exactly what they want.

erdogan purged the army from secular generals that were erdogans enemies, erdogan and fetullah were still buddies at the time, so no doubt that fetullah had his people amongst the the new generals that replaced with the jailed secular ones. back then before the purge, army would never ever let fetullahs men sneak into army. fetullah was and always very strong among the police force. after the war broke out between fethullah and erdogan, he cleansed the police from his people (which took years) and it was the time to clean the army from his men, there was another purge incoming in august. fetullahs men were either going to be jailed or forcefully retired. thus they planned and organised this premature coup. Ataturk was a good man and a leader. but i dont think this is how he imagined. army taking over anytime they want, generals become untouchable gods.  surely they were doing those coups for ataturk but not for their lust for power.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 07:10:22 pm
Oberyn is Gülenist. Plot thickens.

Some retard with decent knowledge of English language spent some time and wrote this shit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gülen_movement)...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 17, 2016, 07:11:35 pm
Latest news, Tardogan made another speech and said that they will discuss about bringing back the death penalty...

Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 07:16:22 pm
Gulen is the perfect enemy. A guy running secret networks around the country. Anyone can be a Gulenist! If I was a dictator, I would so nourish such an idea. Gives perfect excuse to arrest anyone.

Don't buy this bullshit.

Coup was either likely staged, or "allowed" by Erdogan. Perfect way to trap his enemies in the army. It only takes 1 rat to destroy the whole plan, and he was most likely warned. Still, if he hadn't been able to reach the population and tell them to go into the streets, it might have turned out much different. At the least it would have been much longer and bloodier.


that is exactly why i do not think it was staged by erdogan. what if people pussied out and didnt go out but stayed in their homes. then what? who whould have saved erdogan and his ministers? police? against tanks? not really.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 17, 2016, 07:16:30 pm
Death penalty only for the "terrorists" who've been arrested on the 15/16/17th of July, right ? Great way to get rid of inconvenient people.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 07:17:16 pm
Latest news, Tardogan made another speech and said that they will discuss about bringing back the death penalty...

I read about that yesterday, you sure it's new?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 17, 2016, 07:19:44 pm
I read about that yesterday, you sure it's new?

It was his fanatics shouting ''bring back the death penalty''it was not that clear till now. So either i have to defend coup or the crowd shouting ''allah akbar'' for defending the so-called democracy and death penalty.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 07:22:16 pm
It was his fanatics shouting ''bring back the death penalty''it was not that clear till now. So either i have to defend coup or the crowd shouting ''allah akbar'' for defending the so-called democracy and death penalty.

Just play it smooth like this dude :DDDD
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 07:23:46 pm
Love how naive Darksoul is. Wasn't there another dude with Dark in his nick from Ukraine who was just equally naive?

Anyway Darksoul, you should know that every shithole country on this planet that has/had dictator in power at certain moment in history can share its conspiracy stories like the one about Gülen. During our last proper dictator (current guy is still testing the waters) national television was spreading conspiracy theories 24/7.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 07:24:04 pm
It was his fanatics shouting ''bring back the death penalty''it was not that clear till now. So either i have to defend coup or the crowd shouting ''allah akbar'' for defending the so-called democracy and death penalty.

or you wouldnt defend both sides. its the best trust me. army boot lickers will call you an akp lapdog, and akp supporters will call you a traitor for not going out to defend erdogan.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 07:30:57 pm
Love how naive Darksoul is. Wasn't there another dude with Dark in his nick from Ukraine who was just equally naive?

Anyway Darksoul, you should know that every shithole country on this planet that has/had dictator in power at certain moment in history can share its conspiracy stories like the one about Gülen. During our last proper dictator (current guy is still testing the waters) national television was spreading conspiracy theories 24/7.

i think you just described my feelings. this is a fucking shithole, it always was and it always will be. there will be always dictators. be it erdogan, or army that watch the goverments like a crocodile waiting for its prey until they decide to take over and show us sheeps that democrasy in turkey only works as long as army approves the guy on top. i just realised i dont give a shit about it really. fuck me for not being born in norway. i could have  watched a kitten saved from a tree in the news today.   :mad:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 07:31:47 pm
Ataturk was a good man and a leader. but i dont think this is how he imagined. army taking over anytime they want, generals become untouchable gods.  surely they were doing those coups for ataturk but not for their lust for power.[/b]

This is literally one of the mains roles he gave to the the army. Why do you think he would be against the army overthrowing insane religious dictators, when that's exactly how he got to power and built modern Turkey in the first place? You think he'd side with "democratically elected" Sultan Erdogan instead? How many more times will he extend his mandate? How many more purges of political enemies, how many more restrictions to media and freedom of speech, how much more blatant dictator bullshit before you accept he is a power-hungry demagogue? Democracy is like a train ride, once I get to my stop, I’m getting off. He's getting off very soon, and already has for everyone who's not a brainwashed cunt.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 07:38:12 pm
This is literally one of the mains roles he gave to the the army. Why do you think he would be against the army overthrowing insane religious dictators, when that's exactly how he got to power and built modern Turkey in the first place? You think he'd side with "democratically elected" Sultan Erdogan instead? How many more times will he extend his mandate? How many more purges of political enemies, how many more restrictions to media and freedom of speech, how much more blatant dictator bullshit before you accept he is a power-hungry demagogue? Democracy is like a train ride, once I get to my stop, I’m getting off. He's getting off very soon, and already has for everyone who's not a brainwashed cunt.

i hear you but this is not just about erdogan. the coups were happening way before erdogan. we didnt have insane religious dictators. erdogan is the only guy in the history of modern turkey that can be described as a tyrant. if we had no coups in the history of turkey, and if it was the first time a coup was happening, i might have supported it. but knowing the bad habit of the army, i would rather stay neutral.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tibes on July 17, 2016, 07:39:29 pm
erdogan purged the army from secular generals that were erdogans enemies, erdogan and fetullah were still buddies at the time, so no doubt that fetullah had his people amongst the the new generals that replaced with the jailed secular ones. back then before the purge, army would never ever let fetullahs men sneak into army. fetullah was and always very strong among the police force. after the war broke out between fethullah and erdogan, he cleansed the police from his people (which took years) and it was the time to clean the army from his men, there was another purge incoming in august. fetullahs men were either going to be jailed or forcefully retired. thus they planned and organised this premature coup. Ataturk was a good man and a leader. but i dont think this is how he imagined. army taking over anytime they want, generals become untouchable gods.  surely they were doing those coups for ataturk but not for their lust for power.

But Erdogan is the complete opposite of what Ataturk would have wanted. If the coup would have succeeded there would have been a slight chance of improvement. Slight, but possible. With Erdogan there is no hope. Ataturk knew what needed to be done to create a modern society at that time. You on the other hand have a guy as dictator, who cries how Twitter and Facebook are cyberbulling him and is about as easly triggered as a tumblr feminist. Id say you are most definately fucked by friend.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 07:52:29 pm
But Erdogan is the complete opposite of what Ataturk would have wanted. If the coup would have succeeded there would have been a slight chance of improvement. Slight, but possible. With Erdogan there is no hope. Ataturk knew what needed to be done to create a modern society at that time. You on the other hand have a guy as dictator, who cries how Twitter and Facebook are cyberbulling him and is about as easly triggered as a tumblr feminist. Id say you are most definately fucked by friend.

im not happy about illegal military coups including this one too,  and im not happy with the akp either. so i wouldnt be happy either way.  i dont assume i would live long with so much unhappiness and stress in my life. erdogan or coup is the least of my problems really. its just some extra water in my pool of unhappiness. 
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 17, 2016, 07:53:46 pm
The coup attempt was most likely a bait for the soldiers and some judges etc. Now they can be replaced really easy and legitly, no one can say a word. They're also changing constitution judges, which means they aim at changing the constitution easier. Which will bring presidency. Which is actually good. Which will bring Erdogan as president. Which is terribad.

Though, Erdogan already rules as a Sultan doing whatever he pleases, Turkey having a two party presidency system like in America, would be healthier than current situation, because when you get the vote paper its like 20 parties competing, around 15 of them are lefties, thats why conservatives always win elections in Turkey. Turkey has two major groups, Conservative Muslim and Kemalist Liberals, why don't we implement this?
The bad part would be Erdogan would go full Putin, with a Medvedev(Binali) in his side, fucking up the country.

I'm not pro-coup but coup doesn't harm democracy here, since we have none at all.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 17, 2016, 08:08:24 pm
Turkey has two major groups, Conservative Muslim and Kemalist Liberals, why don't we implement this?

Not true. I'd say Kurds, socialists, Kemalists (who are also nationalists), liberals (the "goes with the direction of the wind" bunch), Turkic nationalists (who stand close to Kemalists), Islamists and Islamo-nationalists (needless to say, they get on extremely well with Islamists).

You could indeed narrow them all down to 2-3 groups like you did. However, how one possibly reacts or with whom they might choose to side in a specific situation varies immensely. I don't see how a two-party system would work. My bet is that right wingers (conservatives) would still find a way of picking fruits of populism. It is their bread and butter after all.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Torben on July 17, 2016, 09:29:31 pm
its just some extra water in my pool of unhappiness

that sounds really sad and I am sorry for you.

hugs + pat on the back.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 09:59:21 pm
its just some extra water in my pool of unhappiness.

holy shit the angst is real

3edgy5me
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 17, 2016, 10:08:41 pm
that sounds really sad and I am sorry for you.

hugs + pat on the back.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 18, 2016, 12:29:05 am
Another argument that coup was staged is that russian charter flights were canceled for 2-3 days just before it happened. And as long as these assholes tyrants are bff now, I can easily believe that russians were informed. It reminds the situation when Iosif wanted to use albert. But all of us remember how it happened. And this coup really looks like Reichstag fire.

Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 18, 2016, 12:35:51 am
Erdogan and Putin BFFs? lol.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 18, 2016, 12:37:50 am
Erdogan and Putin BFFs? lol.

Sounds unreal, but it's true. After the Tard officially apologized to Putin, they indeed became BFFs.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 18, 2016, 01:16:29 am
Another argument that coup was staged is that russian charter flights were canceled for 2-3 days just before it happened. And as long as these assholes tyrants are bff now, I can easily believe that russians were informed. It reminds the situation when Iosif wanted to use albert. But all of us remember how it happened. And this coup really looks like Reichstag fire.

Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.

>Implying the Reichstag fire was staged

gtfo commie swine
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 18, 2016, 01:37:23 am
Another argument that coup was staged is that russian charter flights were canceled for 2-3 days just before it happened. And as long as these assholes tyrants are bff now, I can easily believe that russians were informed. It reminds the situation when Iosif wanted to use albert. But all of us remember how it happened. And this coup really looks like Reichstag fire.

Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.

Traitor! Uncle Putin will terminate you!

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 18, 2016, 01:57:01 am
Sounds unreal, but it's true. After the Tard officially apologized to Putin, they indeed became BFFs.

What can you tell us about this Gulen guy? He opens "schools" across the US, looks like some kind of cult. There is cult near me called the Maharishi, these are Hindu cultists that claim they can bend spoons with their mind and levitate, famous people go there for $100,000 a stay for spiritual relaxation.

He obviously has some major money
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: fetus on July 18, 2016, 02:00:35 am
Oh im alive! and still a virgin  :(
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 18, 2016, 02:23:59 am
What can you tell us about this Gulen guy? He opens "schools" across the US, looks like some kind of cult. There is cult near me called the Maharishi, these are hindus that claim they can bend spoons with their minds and levitate, famous people go there for $100,000 a stay for spiritual relaxation.

He obviously has some major money

What I can tell you about him is that he is a religion monger who ran off to the USA during the snackbar cleansing of February 28, 1997. Up until then he had been supported by the previous Turkish governments as a contra-leftist tool. Yes, the previous governments, although they all varied in their political views, always nurtured Islamists to supress leftist movements. They kept them on a leash though.

Back to the topic: USA decided Gulen was too influential a tool to overlook and got him covered. As Darksoul said, he indeed lives in a manor guarded by the CIA. In time he started expanding his influence to build religious schools mainly in poverty-stricken countries. He acted like a philantropic missionary. He led a religious cult called Nur (the Holy Light) which was established by a madman called Said-i Nursi.

The Tard had always been an avid follower of him. And when he came to power also as a US tool (read this link (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all) to grasp what I mean), they held hands. The Tard started installing Gulen's henchmen in all kinds of highly important positions from the army to jurisdiction. Everything was going really fine. Together they managed to capture all media bodies and turned into a savage hydra. They started the notorious trial series to imprison patriot generals and incriminating everyone as they wished through their loudspeakers.

Things went to shit when the cake was in front of them. Soon they started fighting about who would get the bigger piece. It is then that the Tard eventually snapped and started evacuating the installed pieces. This coup itself was probably instigated on purpose to lure the remnants out of their military barracks. And you know the rest of the story.

I tried to keep it as brief as possible. But as you can see, the shithole goes as deeper as you would like it to.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 18, 2016, 02:53:33 am
What I can tell you about him is that he is a religion monger who ran off to the USA during the snackbar cleansing of February 28, 1997. Up until then he had been supported by the previous Turkish governments as a contra-leftist tool. Yes, the previous governments, although they all varied in their political views, always nurtured Islamists to supress leftist movements. They kept them on a leash though.

Back to the topic: USA decided Gulen was too influential a tool to overlook and got him covered. As Darksoul said, he indeed lives in a manor guarded by the CIA. In time he started expanding his influence to build religious schools mainly in poverty-stricken countries. He acted like a philantropic missionary. He led a religious cult called Nur (the Holy Light) which was established by a madman called Said-i Nursi.

The Tard had always been an avid follower of him. And when he came to power also as a US tool (read this link (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all) to grasp what I mean), they held hands. The Tard started installing Gulen's henchmen in all kinds of highly important positions from the army to jurisdiction. Everything was going really fine. Together they managed to capture all media bodies and turned into a savage hydra. They started the notorious trial series to imprison patriot generals and incriminating everyone as they wished through their loudspeakers.

Things went to shit when the cake was in front of them. Soon they started fighting about who would get the bigger piece. It is then that the Tard eventually snapped and started evacuating the installed pieces. This coup itself was probably instigated on purpose to lure the remnants out of their military barracks. And you know the rest of the story.

I tried to keep it as brief as possible. But as you can see, the shithole goes as deeper as you would like it to.


  If Erdogan does not claim to be the protector of Islamic values do you think ISIS or another radical group will claim this position? I agree with everything you said here but I think Erdogan is smarter than he appears to be. He also threatens to ban facebook and twitter on a regular basis yet he used these social media platforms to stop the coup, unless of course the whole thing was an inside job. If only 40% of Turks are secular, probably less I don't know, someone has to keep the rest of the 60% Islamist whackos in line or the nation will cease to function. Do you think having to deal with the political threat of Islam shapes who Gollum truly is? Could any leader rule Turkey without turning into a monster in some form or another? Maybe there's an ounce of comfort knowing that Smeagel has no choice but to keep Islam out of the hands of others who would make the situation far worse... idk

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Turkhammer on July 18, 2016, 05:11:17 am

Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.

You'll only get closer to China.  LOL, out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 18, 2016, 11:20:31 am
What can you tell us about this Gulen guy? He opens "schools" across the US, looks like some kind of cult. There is cult near me called the Maharishi, these are Hindu cultists that claim they can bend spoons with their mind and levitate, famous people go there for $100,000 a stay for spiritual relaxation.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 18, 2016, 01:32:44 pm

A bit old, but very reassuring video about NATO nuclear weapons safety.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 18, 2016, 02:17:01 pm
If Erdogan does not claim to be the protector of Islamic values do you think ISIS or another radical group will claim this position? I agree with everything you said here but I think Erdogan is smarter than he appears to be. He also threatens to ban facebook and twitter on a regular basis yet he used these social media platforms to stop the coup, unless of course the whole thing was an inside job. If only 40% of Turks are secular, probably less I don't know, someone has to keep the rest of the 60% Islamist whackos in line or the nation will cease to function. Do you think having to deal with the political threat of Islam shapes who Gollum truly is? Could any leader rule Turkey without turning into a monster in some form or another? Maybe there's an ounce of comfort knowing that Smeagel has no choice but to keep Islam out of the hands of others who would make the situation far worse... idk

Everybody claims to be a protector of Islamic values. Regardless, the madness has little to do with religion. People are sick with wet dreams about an Ottoman-like domination. Coupled with it comes the Middle Eastern disease of worshipping a ruling figure. I believe it is a reflection of dismissal of responsibility. One person to rule, one person to deal with any kind of trouble. The Gulen-Tard war was partly about this anyway. Both were being patted as moderate Islamist puppets, each with their own agenda. One wished to actually maintain the desired moderate Islamist profile. The other one had been planning to break free at some point as a towering figure and wreak havoc all along. This is again another Middle Eastern disease afflicting dictators. They think it is actually possible to be chained to a greater international agenda as well as to break it without consequences.

There are lots of alternatives in Turkey who are capable of not turning into a monster. There always were. The deep state can't tolerate those who aren't power hungry though. That's what coups are for. And when it comes to toppling an actually good leader, it is never a halfassed theatrical performance like this one. Additionally, remember that it mostly never comes to that. A little bit of pressure and implied threats are usually enough. For instance, that was what happened in late 2002 and triggered the beginning of the travesty we have been putting up with so far. Also now that the dictatorial worship has reached its pinnacle, people will always be looking for a loud howling alpha mongrel in the future. Any less will be unacceptable to them.

By the way, someone wrote in one of the previous posts that the Tard's death is our only salvation now. You are unfortunately wrong. He has set in motion a plan for a good old disguised monarchy, where bringing anybody to any position without breaking a sweat is possible. It might sound plain unbelievable or absurd, but unless something is done about it, he will be replaced by his offspring if need be.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 18, 2016, 02:54:06 pm
Sounds unreal, but it's true. After the Tard officially apologized to Putin, they indeed became BFFs.

Would gladly hear what recent diplomatical moves justify this hypothesis. Last I heard Turkey simply made an apologetic message toward Russia about destroying one of their jets, thats like one step out of thousand needed to go from hostile to military secrets sharing status.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Xant on July 18, 2016, 03:30:44 pm
Haha, according to the US they would consider giving Gülen to Turkey if Turkey produced some heavy evidence for his involvement in the coup. Turkey's prime minister is "disappointed" that the US would ask for evidence.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 18, 2016, 04:10:26 pm
goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns. Civili war is near. u can be sure when thoose isalimic supporter toke that weapons they will start to kill non muslims, Ataturk supporters, opposite party supporters even (tellin that for ur understandin my english is not enough for that) Orthodox islam supporters (think most of turks Catholic).

and no one will defend us because there is non high rank soldiers right now. And thoose guys was only Ataturk supporters in our country sittin at important places.

the islamic turkish republic is near.

check the film Persepolis who explain Iran islamic revolution how start as democracy war and turn to radical islam country. it will be same in turkey for sure.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on July 18, 2016, 05:50:34 pm
The coup attempt was most likely a bait for the soldiers and some judges etc. Now they can be replaced really easy and legitly, no one can say a word. They're also changing constitution judges, which means they aim at changing the constitution easier. Which will bring presidency. Which is actually good. Which will bring Erdogan as president. Which is terribad.

Though, Erdogan already rules as a Sultan doing whatever he pleases, Turkey having a two party presidency system like in America, would be healthier than current situation, because when you get the vote paper its like 20 parties competing, around 15 of them are lefties, thats why conservatives always win elections in Turkey. Turkey has two major groups, Conservative Muslim and Kemalist Liberals, why don't we implement this?
The bad part would be Erdogan would go full Putin, with a Medvedev(Binali) in his side, fucking up the country.

I'm not pro-coup but coup doesn't harm democracy here, since we have none at all.
Young "democracy" shouldn't have powerfull president, a powerfull president is the easiest path to dictatorship. The power residing in parlement is much better because you can't get a cult of personnality (which is the main disease in country used to dictatorship), the power is more partitionned so it's more difficult to take it all. In Switzerland the parliement is so powerfull, people usually don't even know who the president is...

The multitude of party is the only healthy part of the turkish democracy. No one should hope for a two party system like in US or France. It looks enough like democracy so you can't change it but it's not democratic enough to give the people a real choice.

Half of the population is happy with the candidate that gets elected while the other half gets totally ignored. But in the half of the population that supports the party in power, only half of the party supports the head of the party. So in the end you get only one quarter of the population represented by the head of state while the rest can go fuck themselves. You get a situation like in France where anything the president does is unpopular because only less than 25% actually supports him and nothing moves.

At least with a parliement, if you want a motion to get through you must get differents party to agree with it so you better make some concession. The change are less radical (which is not always a bad thing if the governement is mostly islamic for exemple) and are more supported cause they represent an agreement done by a wider part of the country.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 18, 2016, 06:29:35 pm
goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns. Civili war is near. u can be sure when thoose isalimic supporter toke that weapons they will start to kill non muslims, Ataturk supporters, opposite party supporters even (tellin that for ur understandin my english is not enough for that) Orthodox islam supporters (think most of turks Catholic).

its happening

Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV (http://news.trust.org/item/20160718132040-sv7c8)
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 18, 2016, 06:47:41 pm
goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns.

Sources?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 18, 2016, 06:50:14 pm
Sources?

Some idiot from the government said "We should make it easier for the citizens to get armed, so that they have a means of defense in such situations". This is probably what he means.

its happening

Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV (http://news.trust.org/item/20160718132040-sv7c8)

That is more than possibly linked to an ongoing dispute between the former mayor of that district and the current one. They had been exchanging threats for a while. Bad timing.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 18, 2016, 06:57:17 pm
Sources?
as flockula said some ppl from the govermment said that and i saw ppl with guns in my city

alos I swear they are not look like turks they look like arabs
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vovka on July 18, 2016, 07:05:53 pm
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 18, 2016, 07:10:26 pm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d1d_1468821903
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vovka on July 18, 2016, 07:14:36 pm
I swear they are not look like turks they look like arabs
  lie they look so similar  :P
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 18, 2016, 08:39:48 pm
Haha, according to the US they would consider giving Gülen to Turkey if Turkey produced some heavy evidence for his involvement in the coup. Turkey's prime minister is "disappointed" that the US would ask for evidence.

I'm actually suspicious that this is a Gulen's coup attempt cause right after the attempt they started to arrest people who might have relation with Gulen's organisation. Suprisingly 7,899 police officers suspended. So if Gulen really wanted a coup hell he would success easily by adding police on coup team.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on July 18, 2016, 08:44:08 pm
here is some rare footages

soldiers attacking the hotel in which erdogan was spending his holiday. clashing with his heavily armed guards.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c37_1468852702

soldiers taking over the trt building. (main tv channel of state) they later declared the coup and martial law from there.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ef_1468795146

helicopter attacking the Turkish intelligence headquarters

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=048_1468848084
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 18, 2016, 08:53:26 pm
Links not working for me. Would be interesting to see, might prove for certain it wasn't false flag.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 18, 2016, 08:55:01 pm
I hope you guys don't have to go through civil war, but this doesn't bode well. Remember, don't throw away life for stupid ideas.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 18, 2016, 08:59:58 pm
I hope you guys don't have to go through civil war, but this doesn't bode well. Remember, don't throw away life for stupid ideas.

In case of civil war i'm not gonna join either groupes. I mean the ones who defend the coup or the ones who defend democracy with ''allah akbar'' and death penalty or leftists. But if i will be threatened i have no choice to fight back to be honest. Cause i can't quit this shithole at least 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Grytviken on July 18, 2016, 09:00:11 pm
here is some rare footages

soldiers attacking the hotel in which erdogan was spending his holiday. clashing with his heavily armed guards.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c37_1468852702

soldiers taking over the trt building. (main tv channel of state) they later declared the coup and martial law from there.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ef_1468795146

helicopter attacking the Turkish intelligence headquarters

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=048_1468848084


It just looks too amateur to be a real military coup. Presidential bodyguards usually consist of a large entourage of the best trained ppl out there with enough firepower to put down a small army by themselves. 

They all seem to have the same story too, they were called and responded to the coup then got shot at.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 18, 2016, 09:38:03 pm
Food for thought:

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.


Really? A True coup, with Jets on his tail(even radar locked the plane a few times) and they don't fire? What kind of coup has the enemy in their sites and chooses not to pull the trigger....
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 18, 2016, 10:22:39 pm
Food for thought:

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.


Really? A True coup, with Jets on his tail(even radar locked the plane a few times) and they don't fire? What kind of coup has the enemy in their sites and chooses not to pull the trigger....

Let me debunk your seemingly good argument like many average Turks are doing nowadays: Why were heavy tanks sealing the bridge, if this wasn't a real coup. Hurr durr!
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Angantyr on July 18, 2016, 10:39:48 pm
Putting him on trial would give the cause more legitimacy than outright killing him. He isn't exactly a pariah in the international community.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 18, 2016, 10:47:13 pm
Putting him on trial would give the cause more legitimacy than outright killing him. He isn't exactly a pariah in the international community.

True, but they were obviously failing and I don't see why they wouldn't take their desperate chances.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 18, 2016, 11:10:52 pm
"They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him", isnt the answer just right there?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 18, 2016, 11:21:28 pm
So? You shoot them down
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 18, 2016, 11:51:22 pm
The two F-16s didn't want to shoot or didn't have live weapons.

The protection from a fighter escort is based on them breaking off and engaging the opponent far away from the soft target. They can't stop a bullet or a missile mid-flight.

If the will and ability had been there, Erdogan would not be alive.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 18, 2016, 11:52:18 pm
i did read some articles about turkey and from those what i can say is: there probably was a real danger that if coup succeeded the country would probably turn into a civil war, because:

- nobody really supported the coup (only people in the streets were erdogan's, all other groups stayed away or were against it)
- erdogan has a wide support among the people (no coup can deal with the situation, that the country is totally split)

do you think its true? i know turkish army is another deal that syria, lybia etc., but still...
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 18, 2016, 11:57:20 pm
The two F-16s didn't want to shoot or didn't have live weapons.

The protection from a fighter escort is based on them breaking off and engaging the opponent far away from the soft target. They can't stop a bullet or a missile mid-flight.

If the will and ability had been there, Erdogan would not be alive.

Why would they go after him without guns and no intention to bring him down? Seems stupid and points further to it being staged.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 12:09:55 am
In case of civil war i'm not gonna join either groupes. I mean the ones who defend the coup or the ones who defend democracy with ''allah akbar'' and death penalty or leftists. But if i will be threatened i have no choice to fight back to be honest. Cause i can't quit this shithole at least 2-3 years.

Two years ago or so when Ukraine "crisis" (some people like to call civil war like that) was in full swing, there were some pretty heated discussions going on. East vs West, Russophiles vs Banderists (so called European branch). Quite few people from Ukraine, one of them Serr. Was discussing with people, but obviously leaning towards western, united Ukraine in EU. Also annoyed by traitors from the east, but keeping his head cool (unlike some).

Today he is creating a video game while living in European city. Horrible options in life are behind him. Wish everyone involved in similar situation who plays this horrible game can have same outcome. You may be retarded, but you are not bad bunch of people. Definitely deserve better things than civil war retardation :)
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Thomek on July 19, 2016, 12:26:14 am
Well he is living in the most horrible European city though..  :D

But yeah, those F16s, they probably asked for confirmation or something. Rules of engagement you know. Perhaps they didn't get an answer, or simply got cold feet. It's very strange anyhow.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 12:59:48 am
All that hatred just because your uncle won't rent you the place for free... and you call yourself campaigner against nepotism ccc
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2016, 01:27:44 am
Why would they go after him without guns and no intention to bring him down? Seems stupid and points further to it being staged.

Impossible to say at this point. Perhaps they were initially ordered to force him to land, not kill him. And maybe then lost radio contact, like Thomek suggested.
It's unlikely that the coup faction planned to use the F-16s to shoot him down from the start and they tried to take him on the ground earlier in Marmaris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGFY7dW6KUY).
Everything about the coup points it to being extremely rushed, and even getting two F-16s flying without live weapons would make the coup look like it has much more chance of success. And they showed the jets around a lot, flying low here and there.

This of course doesn't prove that Erdogan or his party had nothing to do with it. He was reported to call it a "gift from Allah", despite the deaths.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 19, 2016, 01:37:55 am
Is there any skirmish/encounter they won?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Xant on July 19, 2016, 01:46:33 am
Impossible to say at this point. Perhaps they were initially ordered to force him to land, not kill him. And maybe then lost radio contact, like Thomek suggested.
It's unlikely that the coup faction planned to use the F-16s to shoot him down from the start and they tried to take him on the ground earlier in Marmaris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGFY7dW6KUY).
Everything about the coup points it to being extremely rushed, and even getting two F-16s flying without live weapons would make the coup look like it has much more chance of success. And they showed the jets around a lot, flying low here and there.

This of course doesn't prove that Erdogan or his party had nothing to do with it. He was reported to call it a "gift from Allah", despite the deaths.
There's no way people who can send F-16s at Erdogan's plane didn't know that he had 2 F-16s himself escorting him. So it makes even less sense, why would they send only two against two? If they didn't intend to shoot him, and didn't take down the escorts, then it was literally pointless from the get-go.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 19, 2016, 02:06:08 am
So the purge continues.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-attempt-president-erdogan-istanbul-deputy-mayor-shot-shooting-latest-news-a7142811.html

This is seriously starting to look like the rise of Hi.tler. Although this time Naz.ism is replaced by islamic fanaticism.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 02:19:58 am
Nope, it's more like Milosevic. Came to power touting ancient myth of the Great country, killed his predecessor and mentor shortly after, many rigged elections, bunch of dead muslims in mass graves. Weak dictator shit only capable of isolating his country, turning it into shithole.

Our boy Adolf, he was something else. If not for crazy Slavs filling lines for machine gunners to run of ammo, he would be tearing UK apart before 1942 and USA would feel what it looks like to be participant of World War once in their lifetime. Bet he would conquer NA in less than 90 days, seizing all the weapons and ammo from "militia". Would definitely make them great again.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 19, 2016, 02:47:03 am
Is there any skirmish/encounter they won?

They disarmed a number of police, attacked a special forces HQ with a helicopter, took control of state TV and had their declaration read but had to leave since they didn't have the force to hold it.
It's not a long list anyhow.


There's no way people who can send F-16s at Erdogan's plane didn't know that he had 2 F-16s himself escorting him. So it makes even less sense, why would they send only two against two? If they didn't intend to shoot him, and didn't take down the escorts, then it was literally pointless from the get-go.

If they had ten to send, it would have been over quickly. And like I said earlier, the two escorts could not shield Erdogan's plane from a strike once they were in close proximity. The passenger plane would have been toast at that point, no matter the number. And good info is the first thing that goes in a chaotic situation like this. It's a coup, who do you trust?

Also, great details about everything in the airspace during the coup:
https://theaviationist.com/2016/07/18/exclusive-all-the-details-about-the-aerial-battle-over-turkey-during-the-military-coup/
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 19, 2016, 08:22:34 am
Tardogan's latest speech was same again with an extra. He's scratching ''Gezi Park'' again.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Sir_Hans on July 19, 2016, 08:25:28 am
I haven't read through all 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been posted already...


But I for one and curious as to what will come from the big wikileaks dump of turkish documents announced today.

https://www.rt.com/news/351995-wikileaks-attack-turkey-documents/


It's just too hard for me to form a theory or opinion on these matters since everything I have received has been sifted through media filters. Still, I find it pretty interesting as far as world news goes.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 19, 2016, 08:33:25 am
I haven't read through all 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been posted already...


But I for one and curious as to what will come from the big wikileaks dump of turkish documents announced today.

https://www.rt.com/news/351995-wikileaks-attack-turkey-documents/


It's just too hard for me to form a theory or opinion on these matters since everything I have received has been sifted through media filters. Still, I find it pretty interesting as far as world news goes.

Well if they shut down internet, facebook, twitter in Turkey after the release, you know it's important.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 19, 2016, 12:33:22 pm
My bet is that the documents will show they had no hands in the coup but its going to point fingers at everything else.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2016, 07:22:28 am
Erdogan targets more than 50,000 in purge after failed Turkish coup.
Death penalty coming back, which would pour cement on top of Turkey's almost buried EU bid.
Erdogan insists U.S.-based cleric Gülen behind coup. "We will dig them up by their roots," Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told parliament.
Western allies reiterate need for democracy and rule of law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-idUSKCN0ZX07S
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 08:01:27 am
So what would happen if Erdogan falls victim to an unfortunate accident (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Unfortunate_accident)? Is there a definite powerful successor or would the AKP collapse under an internal power struggle? Asking for a friend(it's better to be careful here in Germany).
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2016, 08:44:56 am
The purge of those deemed less than loyal to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan widened on Tuesday to include teachers, university deans and the media.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36842073


So what would happen if Erdogan falls victim to an unfortunate accident (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Unfortunate_accident)? Is there a definite powerful successor or would the AKP collapse under an internal power struggle? Asking for a friend(it's better to be careful here in Germany).

The Prime Minister would be the obvious choice. In such a circumstance, AKP would most likely rally even behind a weak leader. I was already wondering whether he was a sycophant yes-man or a sycophant yes-man with some ambition during the coup. Long term, anything might happen, but he'd have a good claim to be carrying on the will of the newly martyred Erdogan in regards to the nation, satisfying many of the Islamists as well. It's good to be the Sultan after all.

The speaker of the parliament would nominally hold presidential power in the case of an unfortunate accident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_Parliament_of_Turkey
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Torben on July 20, 2016, 11:05:57 am
turkish acedemics are forbidden to leave the country and those abroad are to come back asap.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vibe on July 20, 2016, 11:09:11 am
turkish acedemics are forbidden to leave the country and those abroad are to come back asap.

come back to turkey guys hehe its just a surprise execution hehe
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 20, 2016, 11:09:30 am
Turkey could be kicked out of NATO:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threaten-countrys-nato-membership-john-kerry-warns-a7142491.html
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 20, 2016, 11:13:33 am
come back to turkey guys hehe its just a surprise execution hehe

execution level next no way to explain it
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 20, 2016, 11:27:34 am
Seriously, any reasonable turk who didn't leave, or didn't think about leaving is legitimately insane.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 20, 2016, 12:03:07 pm
come back to turkey guys hehe its just a surprise execution hehe

It's just a prank! xD LUL xD



My dad and stepsiblings are going to Turkey on July 28th though for a wedding. Istanbul as well of all places. Fail?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 12:23:50 pm
Heir tiem.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 20, 2016, 12:26:50 pm
My dad and stepsiblings are going to Turkey on July 28th though for a wedding. Istanbul as well of all places. Fail?

Do you want us to do their funeral here or send the body parts back?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 20, 2016, 12:29:22 pm
Apparently 30,000 teachers and school employees have been fired.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 20, 2016, 12:47:14 pm
but he'd have a good claim to be carrying on the will of the newly martyred Erdogan

Haha you speak of "claim" like its a monarchy but Turkey is a democracy m8, the successor will simply be another representative of the media xD keep it real dood

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One thing that intrigues me though, is the timing of Wikileaks. Is it the opposite of a conspiracy, and they just need the media attention to be somewhat on Turkey before releasing infos? If so, since when did they have all those files?
What if the coup was really staged by US and Wikileaks is playing its part (willfully or not)? Turkey could have done like nothing happened and remained "friends" officially, but now they retaliate and purge their country of the US-supported whatever and suddenly the western nations remove their blinders and criticize Turkey lack of democracy? Except the possible re-institution of the death penalty (still a thing in some NATO countries and noone is like "HOW CRUEL!") and "taking back their country" from the plotters in that theory, what has Turkey done?

(I'm just presenting another possibility to feed the thread, its not my sacred opinion on the matter, its purposedfully direct, but just food for thoughts  :))
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 20, 2016, 01:12:43 pm
It is impossible to dig through all of those leaked mails, but so far I've seen nothing notable among them. Seems like very insignificant correspondences, a few "patriots" offering espionage on their neigbhors and acquaintances, and some archived mails extracted from some anti-government mail groups (aka monitoring reports). Wikileaks is expected to release so many more. I don't think those will be significant either though.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 01:51:35 pm
Turkey could be kicked out of NATO:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threaten-countrys-nato-membership-john-kerry-warns-a7142491.html

That could completely destabilize the whole region and would probably lead to global war in a few years from now. They can't afford it, just bluffing atm so retard gets to his senses and stop the madness he started since last Friday.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Torben on July 20, 2016, 01:56:14 pm
That could completely destabilize the whole region and would probably lead to global war in a few years from now. They can't afford it, just bluffing atm so retard gets to his senses and stop the madness he started since last Friday.

meh he can hang with china and russia,  those two are trying to get away from dollar fixed economics anyway, and would probs be happy to get a country like turkey into their ranks.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 02:08:48 pm
Russia having even indirect control of the Bosphorus straits has been a geopolitical goal for hundreds of years. Western "leaders" will just appease like a bunch of fucking Chamberlains, Turkey is turning into an Islamic theocracy before their eyes and the most they can muster is some mealy mouthed condemnation with no teeth.  Why would Sultan Tardogan give them the time of day, they have proven to be cowardly, easily exploited morons who are more than willing to hurt their own "nations" for the benefit of an insane dictator. The bluff is pathetic.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 20, 2016, 02:13:16 pm
That could completely destabilize the whole region and would probably lead to global war in a few years from now. They can't afford it, just bluffing atm so retard gets to his senses and stop the madness he started since last Friday.

doesn't seem he'd like to stop anytime soon, in fact he is accelerating his madness. what plays in his hands the most is that eu is flooded by socialists and their electorate - people that had to good life that they couldn't take it anymore and started to want everything without effort and for free (on debt). this is the biggest eu problem right now.

anyway pretty scary how a solid country, that negotiated visa cancelling with eu and has 2nd biggest nato army can within 10 years turn into despotism.

we won't see global war - i mean global war with nukes and stuff. but civil wars and detached conflicts, aye definitely possible. if we see a global war, i don't care - i won't see it for longer than a few mins anyways.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 02:19:07 pm
There are nukes in Turkey atm, they first need to evacuate NATO base before thinking of kicking Turkey out of NATO. Also I said in few years. There are already conflicts around the whole world, but they aren't connected. Creating even more havoc in middle east could ignite everything. Turkey is not a great country, but would be the strongest yet to fight a war against NATO. Assuming that Erdogan is crazy enough. Now imagine what 'moderate' muslims across Europe could do if you basically attack Turkey on premise of being increasingly Islamic. While Erdogan is doing some crazy things in eyes of westerners, all of that falls under Islamic heritage.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 20, 2016, 02:34:28 pm
so anyway our coup has summary with a gif.

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 20, 2016, 03:17:29 pm
One thing that intrigues me though, is the timing of Wikileaks. Is it the opposite of a conspiracy, and they just need the media attention to be somewhat on Turkey before releasing infos? If so, since when did they have all those files?
What if the coup was really staged by US and Wikileaks is playing its part (willfully or not)? Turkey could have done like nothing happened and remained "friends" officially, but now they retaliate and purge their country of the US-supported whatever and suddenly the western nations remove their blinders and criticize Turkey lack of democracy? Except the possible re-institution of the death penalty (still a thing in some NATO countries and noone is like "HOW CRUEL!") and "taking back their country" from the plotters in that theory, what has Turkey done?

(I'm just presenting another possibility to feed the thread, its not my sacred opinion on the matter, its purposedfully direct, but just food for thoughts  :))

As arrested officers keep stressing, the attempt and its planning phase was known all along. It was even reported as early as 16:00 pm that day, as a high-ranking general stated (now detained and tortured as the mastermind, although he seems to have even done his best to convince others to back off). Everyone did as little as they possibly could to stop it. Just like you claim, it might have been real and even US-backed. It doesn't make anything less fishier. My opinion is still that everyone knew, but played along just to uncover Gulenists. The Tard has had a hard on for them for a long while anyway.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 20, 2016, 04:08:21 pm
If that is so, might be.
Looking forward to new development in Turkey.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 04:38:43 pm
Since the US has nukes in Turkey, I highly doubt there is any possibility to a US-backed coup. That would be so stupidly irresponsible... Imagine this actually getting found out 1 day later, what would have happened? Those nukes sure as shit wouldn't be safe. Would the US hand them over? Turkey would almost certainly see the backing of the coup as a declaration of war and would thus focus its attention on the US base. So what's the US do? Hand the Nukes over to a country they would now likely be at war with?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 05:12:52 pm
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2016, 05:14:53 pm
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.

Nah all you have to do is push the big red button on them that says 'Launch' and away you go.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: DKNhz on July 20, 2016, 05:21:00 pm
Since the US has nukes in Turkey, I highly doubt there is any possibility to a US-backed coup. That would be so stupidly irresponsible... Imagine this actually getting found out 1 day later, what would have happened? Those nukes sure as shit wouldn't be safe. Would the US hand them over? Turkey would almost certainly see the backing of the coup as a declaration of war and would thus focus its attention on the US base. So what's the US do? Hand the Nukes over to a country they would now likely be at war with?

So you muricans are indeed paranoid conspiracy theorists. But in a retarded way.

Declaration of war on the US ? My fucking god. Not sure if i should LOL or do a quadruple facepalm.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 05:33:43 pm
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.
Likely true, although I wasn't implying anything similar to a "big red button."

So they wouldn't be able to launch them, but they'd now have the resources and the ability to reverse engineer what is now in their hands (whomever's hands that might actually end up being). Is this too no cause for concern?

Still doesn't seem like an intelligent act. If it was discovered that the US backed the coup, that fact alone would very likely strengthen support for Erdogan, thus further increasing the risk.

So you muricans are indeed paranoid conspiracy theorists. But in a retarded way.
When it comes to anything that could increase the chance of nukes falling into the hands of people that actively kill themselves for spiritual reasons? Yes. Absolutely.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 05:34:48 pm
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.

Does it run on some Siemens software? Ain't that hard to crack it. It isn't Denuvo ffs
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on July 20, 2016, 05:49:31 pm
doesn't seem he'd like to stop anytime soon, in fact he is accelerating his madness. what plays in his hands the most is that eu is flooded by socialists and their electorate - people that had to good life that they couldn't take it anymore and started to want everything without effort and for free (on debt). this is the biggest eu problem right now.

anyway pretty scary how a solid country, that negotiated visa cancelling with eu and has 2nd biggest nato army can within 10 years turn into despotism.

we won't see global war - i mean global war with nukes and stuff. but civil wars and detached conflicts, aye definitely possible. if we see a global war, i don't care - i won't see it for longer than a few mins anyways.

Hehe the left can take the responsability of Islam apologism, but the bend over to Turkey or Russia or any country at all for that matter, is the responsability of the whole EU political class. No balls, no common direction, no united opinion on any foreign matters. The major point where the union of the EU countries could be relevant, a common foreign policy is just non-existent. Some countries calling for an econmic blocus of Russia while others try to make economic agreement or sell weapon, etc... How could EU foreign policy could be taken seriously?..
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 20, 2016, 11:34:52 pm
3-month state of emergency declared. It wasn't like the bastard was bringing back the Gezi dispute back on the table right in the wake of an attempted coup for nothing. Time to demolish Gezi (probably the Atatürk monument  nearby as well), build a giant-ass mosque in Taksim (the now-dead youth gathering hotspot of İstanbul) and erect a stupid old barracks on top of the remains of Gezi Park.

There probably is a way bigger agenda underneath, where Gezi would be the pettiest item. I tell you people, he just won't give up until there is a massive civil war going. The next 3 months will surely be heralding doom.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 21, 2016, 12:34:56 am
Why would there be a civil war if the majority of the people doing things are pro-Erdogan? Are there some active civilian movements?

If noone does anything right now, Erdogan needs to do something reallllllllllllllllllllly shocking to wake people up.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 21, 2016, 12:45:28 am
People are being called to the streets for the so-called "democracy shifts". Text messages keep popping up in my phone at least 3 times a day. One from my hometown's MP, one from my hometown's mayor, one from the mayor of the district of İstanbul I live in. They want me to come out. What would that even accomplish? Giving terrorists an invitation for a nice bombing? And people are indeed going out on the streets. They listen to some preachers and go back. But it is repeatedly done everyday. Recently they also started chanting lines like "death to the seculars", without even asking themselves whatever the fuck anything has anything to do with seculars. More importantly, everyone gives everyone else this irritated suspecting gazelle look. Everyone is on the edge, waiting to be pushed.

In the meantime, the Kurdish leader also gave hints that they might be intending to call Kurds to the streets for whatever reason. And as I wrote above, the Gezi business is so on. Might I remind you what happened the last time he attempted to do that?

The state of emergency will mean a lot of restrictions, arbitrary curfews, freedom to shoot people etc. etc.

By the way, on the day following the coup, when people started their first "democracy shift", some provocateur tried to drive the crowd into an Alevite neighborhood. He almost succeeded. People were definitely down for a bloody raid.

Yes, people are trying things. What is most important is that the Tard has actually seen that he is capable of instigating mindless crowds to do his lethal biddings. Remember, during the Gezi protests, he actually threatened the demonstrators that "he was barely keeping his followers at their homes". Now that he has successfully tried it, he realizes he can indeed convince them to come out, that they are indeed so extremely fanatical that they could even put their lives on the line for a retarded cause.

Do the math for yourself. There are many other dangerous details and risks out there. Add to those the stupidity of people and all that could come out of such tight security measures, and you will see the threat.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 21, 2016, 01:07:19 am
"death to the seculars"

We will miss you.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 21, 2016, 01:09:29 am
We will miss you.

Don't worry. With a full beard and the correct vocabulary, I blend in quite well.

Otherwise I could have gotten myself killed long ago :|
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 21, 2016, 01:51:03 am
Can we plz remove this thread its quite depressing thx
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 21, 2016, 03:34:13 am
Ah so you mean a civil war in the sense, bloodshed... I thought you meant a civil war with 2 sides fighting it out, but atm Erdogan has quite the monopoly  :|
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 21, 2016, 09:07:10 am
State of emergency announced in Turkey, Erdogan can now bypass parliament for passing new laws and suspending rights.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-idUSKCN0ZX07S
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vibe on July 21, 2016, 09:54:31 am
State of emergency announced in Turkey, Erdogan can now bypass parliament for passing new laws and suspending rights.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-idUSKCN0ZX07S

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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 21, 2016, 10:38:06 am
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 21, 2016, 11:01:37 am
In russian (non-state one, actually located in Riga by obvious reasons) media a news appeared saying that russians intelligence astrayed communication about the coup and informed Turkey just in several hours before it started.
However this source is marked as non-proved. But from my point of view it is reasonable.
That is another argument about these retards being bff, Butan.
Also, they talked by phone (and russian tard wished turkey tard to bring back constitutional order"") and are going to meet soon again. You shouldn't think about russian politics as about something reasonable. Everything rely on retard's mood.
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Also there is a quote of one general that intelligence received this info in several hours before the coup. But didn't say anything about where from they received this info.
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Source:
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All this makes coup not staged one but definitely provoked. And current statements and actions look horrific. As Bat'ka Lukashenko looked not that bad after russian tard started the war in Ukraine; now russian tard looks not so bad in comparison with turkish one.

It is depressing indeed. I do wish to flee further and I don't afraid of chinese in Australia. For me they looks less dangerous then these despotic psychos.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Torben on July 21, 2016, 11:21:29 am
It is depressing indeed. I do wish to flee further and I don't afraid of chinese in Australia. For me they looks less dangerous then these despotic psychos.

without knowing a lot about the chinese, I agree that they seem less fool hearted,  but cold and efficient in achieving their goals, which doesnt make them less problematic considering peace.  in effect pretty much like the US actually, just without the cowboy fuck yeah mentality.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 21, 2016, 12:51:09 pm
In russian (non-state one, actually located in Riga by obvious reasons) media a news appeared saying that russians intelligence astrayed communication about the coup and informed Turkey just in several hours before it started.
However this source is marked as non-proved. But from my point of view it is reasonable.
That is another argument about these retards being bff, Butan.
Also, they talked by phone (and russian tard wished turkey tard to bring back constitutional order"") and are going to meet soon again. You shouldn't think about russian politics as about something reasonable. Everything rely on retard's mood.
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Also there is a quote of one general that intelligence received this info in several hours before the coup. But didn't say anything about where from they received this info.
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Source:
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All this makes coup not staged one but definitely provoked. And current statements and actions look horrific. As Bat'ka Lukashenko looked not that bad after russian tard started the war in Ukraine; now russian tard looks not so bad in comparison with turkish one.

It is depressing indeed. I do wish to flee further and I don't afraid of chinese in Australia. For me they looks less dangerous then these despotic psychos.

If your theory is correct, they have been informed just a few hours before the coup? Except if someone important in Turkey retained/had the information for a longer time, it might just have been a lucky interception during the final hours of the execution of the coup plan, which saved Erdogan's ass?
And if really Russia are the ones that were able to see it coming and were able to tell Turkey, I cant see why they would have in the context of Russia-Turkey relationship, except if it was indeed a US-backed coup and Putin didnt really want them to pull another Ukraine and grab the Bosphorus?  :P (full conspiracy mode)

As much as you hate Putin, you should know that being president for so long and managing a country so big requires to not be "retarded". Everything the powerful do make sense.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 21, 2016, 12:57:29 pm
As much as you hate Putin, you should know that being president for so long and managing a country so big requires to not be "retarded". It all makes sense in the end, we just dont see everything from where we are.
Here you are soooo wrong. This retard couldn't care less if he will look or act as retarded. That is the issue. And being president for so long doesn't bring neither reasonability nor responsibility. And as long as they started contacts before the coup and even next day after the Istanbul bomb the flights were enabled again and travel agencies were allowed the tours to Turkey saying it is safe now. All these things says that relationship was fine and sharing intelligence was fine for them.
And following the theory, probably having an ally on bosphorus looks so  nice to rustard.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 21, 2016, 01:07:22 pm
All these things says that relationship was fine and sharing intelligence was fine for them.
And following the theory, probably having an ally on bosphorus looks so  nice to rustard.

Probably right on the "better as ally", but what I pointed out before was that Turkey-Russia were not BFF's at least just prior to the coup  :P  debatedly they are just "neutral" now.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 21, 2016, 01:14:43 pm
Probably right on the "better as ally", but what I pointed out before was that Turkey-Russia were not BFF's at least just prior to the coup  :P  debatedly they are just "neutral" now.
Why do you think so?
Both shit on freedom and human rights. Both are tards and usurpers. Both looks as tards in western eyes. The last so called "apologies" brought them close very fast. And the coup and current behavior definitely more close to definition bff, rather neutral. Probably it was less like that before, but now it is.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 21, 2016, 02:15:27 pm
Why do you think so?

Because as you say they have shared opinions on stuff, but to be able to see that they have common enemies they first needed the coup to happen. Before that it is public knowledge that the diplomatic relationship was extremely strained due mainly to how they interfere with the middle-east and that as a dutiful NATO member Turkey have been participating in the geostrategical enclosing of Russia.
State to state relationship are not or black, or white, trust is very slow to build, even more so trust between countries, so when people talk of BFF status when a year ago they were on the brink of war and people feared a WW3 between them, I just got to laugh at how simplistic some point of view are.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 21, 2016, 02:43:42 pm
State to state relationship are not or black, or white, trust is very slow to build, even more so trust between normal and civilized countries, so when people talk of BFF status when a year ago they were on the brink of war and people feared a WW3 between them, I just got to laugh at how simplistic some point of view are.
There, fixed it for you. It works like this, when institutes in the state works. But it is not applicable to fail-bandit-states.

Updated:
Now they are going to execute people and then bring EU rights back.
Turn off lights, make a poop in the middle, turn on lights back and behave as nothing happened.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-rights-idUSKCN1011ED
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 21, 2016, 04:13:32 pm
without knowing a lot about the chinese, I agree that they seem less fool hearted,  but cold and efficient in achieving their goals, which doesnt make them less problematic considering peace.  in effect pretty much like the US actually, just without the cowboy fuck yeah mentality.

You really have no standing ground, being German, questioning Chinese actions that could disturb world peace. Their track record is way cleaner than of your country's and they exist for a lot longer. Besides, China like most developed Asian countries is full blown meritocracy despite that western media paint it as communism. They have only interest is spreading their influence through business and they are great at it. Only desperate countries, which have nothing else to offer turn to war against others in attempt to make their domestic situation better.

Edit: In other words, chances are way higher than Germans will again unite under crazy leader and go into war with the whole world, than Chinese doing the same.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: naduril on July 21, 2016, 04:21:21 pm
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.
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Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Torben on July 21, 2016, 04:34:17 pm
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You might be right, as I am far from having expert knowledge on china.  Although I feel I have enough insight into history to express that (emerging) superpowers are willing to destabilize regions and mold them in their favor.

considering this:
You really have no standing ground, being German, questioning Chinese actions that could disturb world peace.

I dont feel my opinions should matter less because of my nationality.

Ps:  afaik china historically was a meritocracy, even served as a role model for european philosophers during the enlightenment. but today?  nah man.  on economical level for sure, but politically it feels very ailing. 

but enough derailment, I am off for a long european weekend of doing fun european things.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 21, 2016, 04:43:24 pm
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.
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That stationery chain belongs to Gulenists.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Algarn on July 21, 2016, 05:25:32 pm
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.
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This is starting to remind me more and more of einstein's rise, except that nazeesm is replaced by salafism. What a bunch of apes.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Oberyn on July 21, 2016, 05:44:16 pm
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.
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Illiterate apes who have only "read" one book in their entire lives, and that one in a language they don't even understand, just parrot like trained seals. The existence of libraries probably offends them. What is the point when one book has everything a person could possibly need?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 21, 2016, 08:40:51 pm
This is starting to remind me more and more of einstein's rise, except that nazeesm is replaced by salafism. What a bunch of apes.

We keep saying it. But it really does. There is so many similarities. Didn't Erdogan once say something that Na.zi Germany and Hi.tler were good/an inspiration or something?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 21, 2016, 08:50:39 pm
We keep saying it. But it really does. There is so many similarities. Didn't Erdogan once say something that Na.zi Germany and Hi.tler were good or something?

There is a difference between Erdoturks and Nazvisitors can't see pics , please register or login
is, Germans were hardworking and they created a massive industry from scratch. Turks are lazy as hell they can't do anything proper.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 22, 2016, 01:59:44 am
You might be right, as I am far from having expert knowledge on china.  Although I feel I have enough insight into history to express that (emerging) superpowers are willing to destabilize regions and mold them in their favor.

considering this:
I dont feel my opinions should matter less because of my nationality.

Ps:  afaik china historically was a meritocracy, even served as a role model for european philosophers during the enlightenment. but today?  nah man.  on economical level for sure, but politically it feels very ailing. 

but enough derailment, I am off for a long european weekend of doing fun european things.

Who cares about derailment, we're on c-rpg forums :D

Never change Torben. I've already tried to rile you up once in game and you didn't buy it then, just like you didn't fall for it now. You're officially the only person in this community I failed to piss off, in one way or another. Gratz :)
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Kirman on July 22, 2016, 09:20:37 am
There is only one thing clear for me, Erdogan and AKP won't go down through elections.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vibe on July 22, 2016, 09:24:59 am
So what's on Erdogans menu today? Kindergarten teachers? Cooks? Lifeguards? People who comb the desert?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: chadz on July 22, 2016, 09:33:20 am
...

I'm absolutely serious when I say: all turks here, please start using Tor/a VPN/anything, now. Not tomorrow, not next week.

Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Bittersteel on July 22, 2016, 10:46:41 am
Yeah, wouldn't want a suprise visit from Mr. Erdogans goons would we
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 22, 2016, 10:58:39 am
I'm absolutely serious when I say: all turks here, please start using Tor/a VPN/anything, now. Not tomorrow, not next week.

I so badly want to here the opinion and situation of my dear cousin, who lives in Istanbul since about 10 years. But I don't dare ask him anything. Have to wait till he comes visiting...  :|

(Yes he is crazy for choosing to live there instead of germany, but in a very good and positive way and many times I envy him, there many goods sides of his chaotic un-german live. Also of course he has some safeties (Ensurances, financiallly, etc.) because of his background that most turks have not)
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 22, 2016, 12:01:08 pm
I'm absolutely serious when I say: all turks here, please start using Tor/a VPN/anything, now. Not tomorrow, not next week.

The Tor shortcut is always attached to my taskbar. Been there for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: the real god emperor on July 22, 2016, 01:29:30 pm
I never used Tor, lets give it a shot then
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 23, 2016, 10:51:22 am
There is only one thing clear for me, Erdogan and AKP won't go down through elections.

There is only one thing clear for me, Erdogan and AKP will go down through elections like a breeze. Commies in my country were going through elections easily for 40 years, usually they achieved close to 100 percents of votes. Parliament democracy it was called...

All you need to do is to give "power" to the uneducated masses. Do you have uneducated masses in Turkey, lol?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Teeth on July 23, 2016, 12:28:11 pm
You misunderstand, Kirman says "go down" as in "to lose, be defeated" or in this case "to be removed from power".
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Beauchamp on July 23, 2016, 12:35:39 pm
You misunderstand, Kirman says "go down" as in "to lose, be defeated" or in this case "to be removed from power".

alright then, sry. i will leave my post as it is as a remark of my retardness then :oops:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 24, 2016, 01:14:14 am
The first decree signed by Erdogan authorizes the closure of 1,043 private schools, 1,229 charities and foundations, 19 trade unions, 15 universities and 35 medical institutions over suspected links to the Gulen movement.

Critics of Erdogan fear he is using the abortive coup to wage an indiscriminate crackdown on dissent. The foundations targeted include, for example, the Association of Judges and Prosecutors (YARSAV), a secular group that criticized a recent judicial law drafted by Erdogan's Islamist-rooted AK Party.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-emergency-idUSKCN1030BC
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Christo on July 24, 2016, 01:16:33 am
beautiful.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Voncrow on July 24, 2016, 01:38:12 am
The first decree signed by Erdogan authorizes the closure of 1,043 private schools, 1,229 charities and foundations, 19 trade unions, 15 universities and 35 medical institutions over suspected links to the Gulen movement.

Wow, that fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 24, 2016, 02:26:36 am
okey probably u guys not gonna see thoose thinks in ur country or news

because its unbelivible

as u know the  people try to stop tanks with their hands but lets pass that for a moment

after 5 min they learn how to use tank and they try to keep for themselves as memory lets pass that too

they yell to F-16 pilots from the ground : "if u are man come to ground !!"  yeah u think its unbelivible

but check this

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they try to jump  F-16 from high buildings for  stopin them  so yeah !?!?!?

i die for turkey. anyways it's not given me much choice to choose

also for inside news: we have a guy/bunch of guy Called Fuat Avni  he is like inside man for kemalist group in turkey(thats what i belive/ Fuat Avni can be FETOs man ofc.). he knows what erdogan thinks or what he will do next. he misguidance us sometimes but he is kind a reliable source. And he is usin twitter for cominication with people. our goverment said today: the people who share his tweets and like his tweets will go against judges. So if u follow him watch out. tayyip can find u and can ask u from ur goverment to judge.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vovka on July 24, 2016, 02:50:18 am
.... or just climbed higher to record video on phone
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 24, 2016, 02:54:19 am
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this foto is more clear i dont see any phones i can send u some source but the languege :(

Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Imperious on July 24, 2016, 02:58:27 am
also the foto can be fake ofcourse  novadays our country rulling by gossips. no one sure whats going on.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vovka on July 24, 2016, 03:06:37 am
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this foto is more clear i dont see any phones i can send u some source but the languege :(
do it  :P i have free 5 min
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 24, 2016, 12:26:46 pm
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That photo is as fake as Kim Kardashian's whole body. They are trying to squeeze legends out of this stupid theatrical performance.

It's downright funny how they try so hard to pump life into their retarded street shows as if it were Gezi. They imitate the elation, the jokes, the feelings, everything... It's also funny that they don't give a fuck about the animals who lynched poor confused soldiers, who had already surrendered. On the other hand, they wrote ballads and odes to the few policemen who died during Gezi protests (one died by falling of a bridge due to his own fault, another died after locking himself up in a police vehicle and suffocating due to the excessive pepper sprey present in the driver's cabinet).

Furthermore, I have no idea what I should make out of these "democracy shifts". Their shepherd once openly said "democracy is a vehicle, which you ditch once you arrive at the desired destination". And time and time again, numerous people stated "democracy is a western scam, because the only true order is Allah's word". Now the retards are "watchmen of democracy". Those who died are "martyrs of democracy". They are taking "shifts of democracy". "Democracy should be maintained". Democracy this and democracy that! Fucking hypocrites.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 24, 2016, 12:46:28 pm
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It's also funny that they don't give a fuck about the animals who lynched poor confused soldiers, who had already surrendered.

How many hundreds of civilians were wounded or killed during the coup attempt by the poor confused soldiers?
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 24, 2016, 12:57:51 pm
How many hundreds of civilians were wounded or killed during the coup attempt by the poor confused soldiers?

You really try hard not to understand, don't you? I have been writing for the sole purpose of providing information, yet you just cherry pick a line, dismiss the rest and appear uninformed every single time. It was 99% the officers' doing. I suspect only few were killed/wounded by soldiers who felt compelled to obey orders.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 24, 2016, 01:52:26 pm
No hard feelings, but you're a weirdo Butan  :wink:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 24, 2016, 02:12:16 pm
No hard feelings, but you're a weirdo Butan  :wink:

How so? Its complicated for me to have hard feelings over an unbased comment. I can try to extrapolate your reasoning but you could tell me directly too  :wink:


You really try hard not to understand, don't you? I have been writing for the sole purpose of providing information, yet you just cherry pick a line, dismiss the rest and appear uninformed every single time.

Bro, I think we got over this some time ago. I'm not dismissing everything you say, nor am I contrary to the rest of what you said, this is just you being triggered for no reason, if you knew me a bit more.
I just asked you a question that can possibly further your understanding of the situation that you described; soldiers being lynched by civilians and the relation to the civilians having been killed by soldiers just prior?


It was 99% the officers' doing. I suspect only few were killed/wounded by soldiers who felt compelled to obey orders.

Now sorry but thats plain stupid to say. I felt that you were white-washing the coup participants with the "poor confused" part but this takes the gold medal, dont be a blind fool.

Anyway whatever % of officers/soldiers did whatever % of the wounding/killing, they all were in and participated: in the mob's eyes thats enough to lynch everyone in retaliation.
At the same time it doesnt excuse the mob, because a mob is most of the time inexcusable, but to think that this was not "normal" mob behaviour that could have been seen in other countries, or that the coup soldiers that were lynched killed noone to provoke this, is a completely biased political comment.
I dont have to be pro-Erdogan to say so, but I understand that it can cause distress whenever I shed light where people dont want to look. I've grown accustomed to that, being on both sides of the fences in multiple political threads on this forum and others  :P
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 24, 2016, 02:38:43 pm
Yeah, we laid this out on the table long ago. I don't expect you to agree with me. Neither do I expect you to keep creating nonsense.

I'm not impartial. It's known. However, I'm not whitewashing the coup participants. Everything you say makes me believe you haven't seen the pictures or read anything so far. Every single time, I have to rewrite things I have already written. I can only see several possibilities here and I like neither:

1- You care little about the topic, thus not read and learn about it, eventually coming up with the redundant questions.
2- I have always taken you for a decent forum dweller. But I may be very wrong about it. Especially recently you seem to like to yank my chain. Maybe the forums poisoned you? Or maybe I have been wrong about you all along. I don't know.
3- It's all another forum game to you. The fact that none of this has any impact on you loosens your nerves and you find it in you to laugh in the face of bitter frustration? I can only hope you find yourself in the same situation one day.

Whichever the reason, I find it difficult to put up with you any longer. Feel free to comment on my replies or keep asking question about specific lines, but I am not replying to you anymore. You keep throwing more and more frustration at me. I don't need this.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 24, 2016, 02:52:41 pm
Its probably "too soon" for this kind of posts, but I cant help myself, sorry about that! I really dont want to piss you, its just an after-effect of my love for debate.
It was the same on the Ukraine thread, trying to speak with Dave which was Ukrainian. I dont blame you for your reactions, I hope you find it in yourself to not blame me for being neutral to this, because like you say I'm not particularly concerned being safely living in France.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 24, 2016, 02:58:43 pm
I'm not particularly concerned being safely living in France.

 :wink:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 24, 2016, 03:17:39 pm
So I'm weird because I feel safe living in France?  :mrgreen:
Do go on Falka please, I dare you!  :P
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 24, 2016, 03:21:50 pm
Have nothing to say  :|
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Thomek on July 24, 2016, 03:46:01 pm
Nah Poles think it's dangerous in France. While in Poland, people drive so recklessly, and also drunk drive a lot, I bet, (without checking), that the traffic fatalities are way higher than France. Probably even making up for terror related deaths.

But they do cherish and love, to cultivate the idea that Poland is so safe.

Just checked the numbers. Seems France have roughly HALF the road fatalities per pop. That means that French driver attitudes would save roughly 2000 polish lives per year. (Yes also better roads, cars etc.. but it doesn't make up all the difference. )

So I can safely say people in Poland would be much safer in France.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Falka on July 24, 2016, 04:09:30 pm
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 24, 2016, 05:04:18 pm
No hard feelings, but you're a weirdo Butan  :wink:

Nah, he's okay. Its just that he's watching weirdos doing weirdo things and kinda felt the need to try some of that shit himself. Like dad of rebel kids who's trying hard to 'understand' them, to the point where he'll hang out with them, doing same shit as them, going to same clubs. It is just odd.

Butan you ain't made to be internet troll, you can stop trying.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Butan on July 24, 2016, 07:04:59 pm
I'm not trying, no lies  :oops:
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 25, 2016, 02:20:04 pm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thousands-turkey-coup-prisoners-raped-8485304

Allahu Snackbar? Long live Sultan Kerdogan!
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Leshma on July 25, 2016, 03:48:42 pm
If you want to make a change, it is important to finish task at hand. These people didn't and honestly I feel no pity. What did they expect? They'll most likely be executed as soon Erdogan brings back death penalty. They made a mistake when they stopped what they were doing, doesn't matter if it meant deaths of civilians who sided with Erdogan. You either don't think about coup or you do your fucking best to succeed, and deal with consequences of your actions later.

Find it kinda hard to believe they are so young and stupid not to realize their 'practice' mission excuse won't grant them exemption from punishment. Maybe they didn't want to act against will of the people, when they realized they were tricked by superiors. In that case Turkey is doomed.

What if French pussied out during revolution, we would still live under despots. It was bloody, many died, but future generations gained freedom.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Rhekimos on July 25, 2016, 05:56:56 pm
Turkey arresting 42 journalists:

The most prominent of the 42 is 72-year-old Nazli Ilicak. She was fired from the pro-government Sabah daily three years ago for criticizing government ministers who are under investigation for alleged corruption.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36881943
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: LordBerenger on July 25, 2016, 08:51:37 pm
When u think the ayy lmao can't get even more ayy lmao.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-attempt-turkish-authorities-hoax-claims-president-erdogan-latest-news-a7154411.html



NOTE: Everyone in this thread are losers btw ^
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Sir_Hans on July 26, 2016, 06:04:03 pm
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There is a wizard in the top right holding what is obviously a wand.
Dark magic was most definitely involved here.

And look at those hand symbols near the bottom! (guy in the red shirt and another hand coming from the bottom of pic)

Satanic occult conspiracy confirmed.
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Vovka on July 26, 2016, 11:32:17 pm
apes  :P
Title: Re: Turkey coup d'etat
Post by: Xant on July 27, 2016, 12:39:41 pm
apes  :P
Are you trying to say you feel kinship with them?