I am not buying this until I see clear results. I say "staged"!
Vay amk
So whose troops are actually in control of the situation, loyalists or rebels? What's going on over there? Does anyone even know?
Karışık duygular içerisindeyim amkSevinsem mi üzülsem mi bilemedim aq
According to Imc TV, which I'd rely upon their info, soldiers seized the control of Boshporus bridges, had a shootout with the police, has control over some important places, but the government and the cabines are still making announcements that this attempt will fail. Turkey Radio Television broadcasting is under control of soldiers since 2-3 minutes now.
So all the military currently out in force is backing the coup? Is it basically the whole army together?
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good to see the old tradition of the military being the bulkward of secularism and democracy endure.Yes, I had this on my mind aswell. A fascinating dynamic in the history of our institutions.
Again tomatoes growing in price, fuck u Turks!!! :P :P
I'm seeing reports that the army are backing off from the increasing street presence of Erdogan supporters because they're reluctant to engage with civilians? Is this coup strong enough to succeed?
I'm seeing reports that the army are backing off from the increasing street presence of Erdogan supporters because they're reluctant to engage with civilians? Is this coup strong enough to succeed?That's if this is an actual coup.
It's over... Sultan Erdogan won once again.
Oh yeah, in case you haven't noticed. Chances were extremely slim till now, but if EU is still standing in upcoming years you can be 100% sure Turkey is never going to become part of it. Ever.
Someone on another forum brought up a good point. If this would succeed it would bring in tons of AKP loving Islamists from Turkey into the West claiming ''asylum''.
So sounds like a double edged sword. Win for Turkey if it's succeeds and loss for rest of Europe if it succeeds
Well keep talking guys but its over(sad but true). Islamic State of Turkey is coming. Sultan Erdogan is stronger now.
Twitter updates says it's still going on. Saw a guy got run over by a Tank on Instagram lol.That was 2 hours ago m8 believe me.
That was 2 hours ago m8 believe me.
There's live feeds of it right now. It's not over lolWe will see, everybody'll talk about Sultan Erdogan's victory tomorrow.
We will see, everybody'll talk about Sultan Erdogan's victory tomorrow.
Oh yeah, in case you haven't noticed. Chances were extremely slim till now, but if EU is still standing in upcoming years you can be 100% sure Turkey is never going to become part of it. Ever.If we (The UK) succeed after leaving the EU I believe there's a 95% chance that it will die.
GG Turkey.
Military lost.
Great, heard a jet flying close and an explosion. Lost my shit there. Can't see what happened tho.
Great, heard a jet flying close and an explosion. Lost my shit there. Can't see what happened tho.
Lol the people are chanting stuff and allahu ekber. This coup proves what the AKP supporters truly are.
You think that's bad? There's some streams I'm watching that are basically pol and 4chan levels of retard combined. Complacent narcissistic idiots who live in their own little bubbles and treat everything as a joke, until it affects them personally.All I see in the chat is just DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS VULT
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.So basically what is happening is that the military said "fuck off m9" and are now trying to fucking
Reports that Ataturk airport hit by explosion shortly after Erdogan landed there. Supposedly there was a tank column headed there before he landed.
brief history if you re trying to catch up
-TSK blocked Bosphorus
-TSK seized general staff of TSK
-TSK blocked airports
-TSK seized TRT and announced that they ve taken over
-Government and Erdogan called people to defend democracy in the streets
-TSK lost control over some landmarks
-TSK bombed parliament
-TSK took over Dogan Media Center and shut CNN down
-Shits still on
do you know why they did all this? i mean i know erdogan is a cunt but did they put up some reason for this somewhere?
“Turkish Armed Forces have completely taken over the administration of
the country to reinstate constitutional order, human rights and
freedoms, the rule of law and the general security that was damaged,” the statement annonced. “All international agreements are still valid. We hope that all of our good relationships with all countries will continue.”
do you know why they did all this? i mean i know erdogan is a cunt but did they put up some reason for this somewhere?
This fucking piece of shit, talking about traitors and "cleansing" the military and that those who carried out the coup will "pay a heavy price". That this is "Not the Old Turkey anymore". Does he really expect the coup organizers to back down after that?Pay a heavy price?
Shillary shown her support for democratically elected leader lol
Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN saying the coup plotters made "a lot of mistakes—not arresting the president, not shutting off the internet..."
Pay a heavy price?
Him and what army? Good luck taking the country back from the ones who are the center of ALL your power.
ima sleep say gl
RT says heavy fighting in streets of Ankara.
On Al jazeera they are calling it a fail coup already
You should watch Tyrant.
Also this: https://twitter.com/Anonops_Live/status/754076441655013376/photo/1
On Al jazeera they are calling it a fail coup already
About 10 minutes ago an earthquake happened or something blew up. I am not sure. This is annoying. I am also in Istanbul.Massive "coup" going on with death happening and potential life threatening situations and an explosion nearby
Shillary shown her support for democratically elected leader lol
So, it's over now?
damn, I just woke up to this crazyness and it's all over. No drama for me
or what part of the army is trying to take over? a few only? or some big core?
Seems it's not over at all. Seems to still be a group holding on to the outskirts of Ankara and another wave can come soon.
sure, lol :D
Not sure if i should support a military coup or the extremists outside shouting ''alllah akbar'' every single minute to defend the so-called democracy.
PM Yildrim has announced that a country that would stand by cleric Gulen won't be a friend of Turkey and will be considered to be at war with Turkey, referring to Muhammed Fethullah Gülen, a former Turkish preacher living in self-imposed exile in the United States.
I hope EU accepts me as refugee.
Or Egypt. That way u still get the nice weather but atleast a military that can successfully perform a coup.
I'm done with islamic bullshits to be honest
And you want to come to the EU?
:lol:
Good point :D Canada it is then, i can speak both french and english so that would be ok for them
Welp Bannerlord gonna be postponed for another two years because of this
they fucking cut the head of a soldier after he surrendered
im so fucking done
they fucking cut the head of a soldier after he surrendered
im so fucking done
Other of her predictions include that Europe will be transformed into an Islamic caliphate and the transformation will be complete in the year 2043, that communism will return to Europe and the rest of the world in 2076 and that there will be a war on Mars in 3005.
and calls out to muslim people to end tyranny of Christians and form Islamic state in Europe. Army enters streets, just be smashed to pieces by millions of former immigrants. Two days later, Europe is Muslim!
There is no question whatsoever domestically: Erdogan killed/imprisoned political enemies, won prestige, gonna tighten his control over his military, his rule is stronger.
The only question is how the foreign power will act: will they change their stance on Turkey, or keep doing the same things? IMO there is still not enough arguments against Erdogan that could be used by western governments and medias to justify a diplomatic switch from friendly/neutral to hostile after this coup attempt.
Are you high? He won, why the hell would they turn on him?
You're a fool Butan or just blissfully acting like one. Of course European and American officials will support democracy, they already did.
The Turkish Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK) laid off 2,745 judges and removed five HSYK members after an extraordinary meeting on Saturday, which came after a failed coup attempt by the Gülenist Terror Organization (FETÖ).
Some members of the state council who have connections with the FETÖ terror organization were also detained, according to the state-run Anadolu Agency.
Congrats Leshma, for finally catching up years after the fact. You are now officially a fascist chocolate chip cookie einstein supporter.
This is a great win for democracy. I'm proud of the Turkish people and their leaders."Great win for democracy"
This is a great win for democracy. I'm proud of the Turkish people and their leaders.
I hope EU accepts me as refugee.
can someone catch me up on wtf happened since i went to sleep?
Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors HSYK lays off 2,745 judges (http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2016/07/16/supreme-board-of-judges-and-prosecutors-hsyk-lays-off-2745-judges)
Democracy my ass...
If there were any doubts before, now it is blatantly clear that Turkey is full blown autocracy and run by dictator. Of course that won't stop Shillary's of western world to spread bullshit, but they know very well none of what they are saying is true. At some point they'll switch and start singing another song.
Coup failed. Soldiers being tortured and slaughtered by mob. Military officials arrested, will be put on trial and shot. Institutions will be purged from those who oppose the Emprah, they started with judicial system.
Older Turks who witnessed last coup agree that this is staged coup. But who knows, maybe they were desperate. Could be that support for secularism is extremely low in Turkey.
Huh, strange, who would have thought people and police would have beat an entire military group, I'm going back to my previous belief that this is staged to make Erdogan the "hero"
Civilians and police officers with jets... That or it's not actually police versus military. You can't expect the entire army to be involved in the coup. My guess is that it's maybe a quarter of the army rebelling.the goverment says that to. but i dont belive thoose soldiers are radical islam supporters because allready our goverment is radical islam supporter. Also our soldiers are not villain. soldiers with higher rank. if commands u, u have to follow it
*tinfoil hat*
Around 3000 judges who all were immediately just hours after the coup tracked and laid off? This sounds like a false flag event done to grant Sultan Erdogan more power and those judges were already on a ''list'' before. Now Erdogan can replace them with 100% loyal dogs. Plus Erdogan can cleanse the army and make sure they have less powers after this.
There were a lot rumors about it being a false flag coup which could explain the idiotic tactics of those in charge.
of course it was not a false coup - at least not for those that did it and not for those that died in the streets.
Merkel condemns attempted military coup in Turkey, urges rule of law (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-germany-merkel-idUSKCN0ZW0S3)
the goverment says that to. but i dont belive thoose soldiers are radical islam supporters because allready our goverment is radical islam supporter. Also our soldiers are not villain. soldiers with higher rank. if commands u, u have to follow it
let me explain u with a pic.(click to show/hide)
the goverment says that to. but i dont belive thoose soldiers are radical islam supporters because allready our goverment is radical islam supporter. Also our soldiers are not villain. soldiers with higher rank. if commands u, u have to follow it
let me explain u with a pic.(click to show/hide)
Merkel condemns attempted military coup in Turkey (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-germany-merkel-idUSKCN0ZW0S3)
Poor fucks were under the delusion that people would side with them as long as they did not shoot civilians. They should have plowed through those crowds of snackbarian retards with tanks and pissed on the remains. I bet they're regretting their forebearance now.
Fingers crossed, but it's extremely likely that the son of a whore (not Kratos, you know who) has staged this entire freak show. So that he can appear victorious tomorrow and pronounce himself the one and only president, which is his ultimate goal nowadays.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754327682054225920 (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/754327682054225920)
Reports of soldiers thinking this was just an excersise.
Sacrificing some soldiers and civilians is probably a price Erdogan would happily pay to consolidate his power, just saying...
Shouldn't there be another, proper coup if this was just a ploy by Erdogan? It is more likely, staged or not that after Gezi Park protests Turkey lost its last bit of secularism and that now huge majority support Islamization. Rest are probably in idgaf phase.
So basically Turkey is worse off today than it was yesterday, even more power for Erdogan, awesome...
And the soldier driving an armored vehicle over a Tardogan supporter blocking the road also thought it was an exercise ?
P.S. Just to clarify, I'm on that soldier's side.
Doubt those cowards (look at the picture) were capable of running over bystanders but you never know.
Incirlik Air Base is featured in the 2008 Ridley Scott espionage film, Body of Lies, where it is the site of a staged terrorist bombing.
Incirlik Air Base is mentioned in the 1997 film, Air Force One. It is the intended landing site for Air Force One after the aircraft is retaken from the hijackers. The aircraft is instead intercepted by Russian MiG's and crashes in the Caspian Sea.
Incirlik Air Base is featured in the 2003 video game Command and Conquer: Generals, where it is destroyed by terrorists.
The pro-Erdogan might have let this happen and were prepared, but I doubt that they would have organised a coup with political opponents that ended up dead or on trial. If someone that you hated called you and asked you to become a martyr for his own interest, would you accept?
That is some very simple thinking. It's not like Erdogan would have walked up to them and proposed his plan. Probably something more along the lines of a few pro-erdogan high military staff preparing this with them. Why the fuck would any sane person perform a coup at 10 PM a friday night when the guy you want killed ain't even home.
Probably more convulated than that if it was indeed tried, but its still the same principle, I use that illustration to explain the extreme difficulty of the task.
I could list you all the successful/failed military coups in history that were performed around 10 PM on a friday night (dat false flag argument is the best btw) and, more on point, those that didnt catch/kill the leader of the nation in the process and you would probably be surprised. A great majority of the successful one had the most important dudes fleeing and living in exile afterwards, THEN dying or plotting revenge oftentimes both (TL;DR its not vital to kill Erdogan to take Turkey).
You could be right, I just find it amazing that merely hours after the coup fails he knows exactly who's behind it, that 2700 judges were in on it and that 3000 other unarmed soldiers were also involved.
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An entire military coup went from start to fail in barely 12 hours. The army was defeated by civilians and cops, surrendering as quick as they got there. If a coup was in place, they wouldn't let them do that, but rather run the masses over like at the Tiananmen Square. The army is rising up. You'd expect them to have a few jets. I don't see how Erdogan would be ballsy enough to fly back within such a short time to hold a speech.
guy used facebook to put down the military coup lmao. Can anyone translate this?
It's war, casualties are bound to happen.
Alright, maybe you'd not gun down a street full of civilians but then atleast you should've done the coup early morning 3-4 AM, not a friday evening like I said. The planning was bad overall.
Democracy is a farce and we're learning that on real life examples. I'm for meritocracy btw. We're already owned by corporations, why not run government like one? There is no need for this charade where we pretend that government cares more about its people than corporation does for its employees. Corporations are much more honest and they don't allow idiots to take power.
Democracy is a farce and we're learning that on real life examples.
guy used facebook to put down the military coup lmao. Can anyone translate this?
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.obligatory brainwashed turk post
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.
typing your stuff in bold doesn't make it more interesting, or true for that matter :lol:
this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack.
Everyone else said the same. Can they gtfo too?
I'd like terrorists to fight for Human rights, personal freedom and secularism more often tbh. Best terrorists I ever saw dude, especially when their target is a semi tyrant that is going to abuse of this opportunity to rule without any limit.
Semi tyrant. Well lets see next week about that "semi" :lol: Edit: He already made very significant change on early Saturday morning. Released "problematic" judges, that way putting an end to independent (was it ever?) judicial system. Means Turkey is not democratic society anymore. I see need for US government to intervene, to bring freedom to Turkish people. What do you think?he is gonna get more powers no doubt. all more reason to hate the coup. morons made everything even worse! about 'murica, nay no need to worry. we have no oil :mrgreen:
Military dictatorship? Doesn't Turkey have a long history of the power being given back to the people after a coup?
he is gonna get more powers no doubt. all more reason to hate the coup. morons made everything even worse! about 'murica, nay no need to worry. we have no oil :mrgreen:
edit: if the coup was succeeded, there would be no erdogan yes, but instead we would have fetullah gulens minions ruling the whole country. secretly seizing the army, police, justice system etc. brutus and his friends thought killing ceasar would be the end of the tyranny, but later on octavian , a bigger dictator than ceasar, finished off the republic. see the similiarity?
edit: if the coup was succeeded, there would be no erdogan yes, but instead we would have fetullah gulens minions ruling the whole country. secretly seizing the army, police, justice system etc. brutus and his friends thought killing ceasar would be the end of the tyranny, but later on octavian , a bigger dictator than ceasar, finished off the republic. see the similiarity?[/b]
Military dictatorship? Doesn't Turkey have a long history of the power being given back to the people after a coup?
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especially a coup that organised by fetullah the coon. now fuck off. [/b]
what da hell people? i dont like erdogan either but supporting a fucking military coup? are you all insane? how can you forget what they did to people in previous successful military coupes in Turkey. thats not how the damned democrasy works, you cant ask for military to take over the country when your party doesnt get elected. and whole this coup thing just proved that erdogan is a legimite chosen president. people fucking fought against tanks for him with their bare hands. 160 people died. more than 4000 people injured. its not something you can see everyday. besides, this wasnt a coup, it was a fucking terrorist attack. our own soldiers , jets, helicopters shooting our own people, police, and the fucking parliament building. and there is no doubt that it was all planned not by secularist soldiers, but minions of fetullah gülen, a cleric, an islamic coon and a tool of cia.your logic is severely flawed
wat? Do you actually believe that horseshit? :lol:
wat? Do you actually believe that horseshit? :lol:
i do. you people dont have any idea how strong that guy is. he is fucking protected by cia. he is rich af. his property in pennsylvania is protected by police and noone is allowed to get close. he got thousands of supporters here. ask any guy from turkey and he will tell you about him and his minions called ''cemaat''. infact, it was fetullah who helped erdogan gain power. they were best buddies until 2013. usa still refuse to give him to turkey even though its very bad for the relationship between turkey and usa. why?
What do you think of Atatturk? Do you realize the only reason your country isn't a backwards shithole islamic theocracy is because of the army? If the many coups were about the government not licking the army's boots, why would they ever give back power to the politicians? How fucking deluded are you that you think Erdogan and his cronies and the masses of AKP retards care about "democracy" and "the people"? Seriously kill yourself, you are too dumb to live.its not giving the power back to politicians if army try to take over the country whenever they want! how fucking retarded are you? fetullah gulen is not a politician. he is a cleric and the leader of an islamic group called ''cemaat''. get your facts straight. and it was the secularist army that exiled him...
Yes, Turkey is the first country every in the history of the world that has had an exiled politician in another country and they refuse to extradite him.
its not giving the power back to politicians if army try to take over the country whenever they want! how fucking retarded are you? fetullah gulen is not a politician. he is a cleric and the leader of an islamic group called ''cemaat''. get your facts straight. and it was the secularist army that exiled him...
Gulen is the perfect enemy. A guy running secret networks around the country. Anyone can be a Gulenist! If I was a dictator, I would so nourish such an idea. Gives perfect excuse to arrest anyone.
Don't buy this bullshit.
Coup was either likely staged, or "allowed" by Erdogan. Perfect way to trap his enemies in the army. It only takes 1 rat to destroy the whole plan, and he was most likely warned. Still, if he hadn't been able to reach the population and tell them to go into the streets, it might have turned out much different. At the least it would have been much longer and bloodier.
By 2013 Erdogan had already purged the army and put his islamic cronies in charge. And he is Erdogan's political enemy, religion and politics is literally the same thing in Turkey and has been for a while. How are you so fucking ignorant about your own country? Again, you must be pretty fucking stupid if you think the many military coups were about the army doing "whatever they want" and not safeguarding Attaturk's vision. The only reason your country isn't a shitty islamic theocracy is because of Attaturk and the army, it is literally their most important role. Seeing Erdogan and his brainwashed AKP lapdogs praise Attaturk even as they shit all over his legacy and everything he built is so fucking ironic. Nothing stoping the will of "the people" (the right ones at least) now though, they'll get exactly what they want.
Gulen is the perfect enemy. A guy running secret networks around the country. Anyone can be a Gulenist! If I was a dictator, I would so nourish such an idea. Gives perfect excuse to arrest anyone.
Don't buy this bullshit.
Coup was either likely staged, or "allowed" by Erdogan. Perfect way to trap his enemies in the army. It only takes 1 rat to destroy the whole plan, and he was most likely warned. Still, if he hadn't been able to reach the population and tell them to go into the streets, it might have turned out much different. At the least it would have been much longer and bloodier.
Latest news, Tardogan made another speech and said that they will discuss about bringing back the death penalty...
I read about that yesterday, you sure it's new?
It was his fanatics shouting ''bring back the death penalty''it was not that clear till now. So either i have to defend coup or the crowd shouting ''allah akbar'' for defending the so-called democracy and death penalty.
It was his fanatics shouting ''bring back the death penalty''it was not that clear till now. So either i have to defend coup or the crowd shouting ''allah akbar'' for defending the so-called democracy and death penalty.
Love how naive Darksoul is. Wasn't there another dude with Dark in his nick from Ukraine who was just equally naive?
Anyway Darksoul, you should know that every shithole country on this planet that has/had dictator in power at certain moment in history can share its conspiracy stories like the one about Gülen. During our last proper dictator (current guy is still testing the waters) national television was spreading conspiracy theories 24/7.
Ataturk was a good man and a leader. but i dont think this is how he imagined. army taking over anytime they want, generals become untouchable gods. surely they were doing those coups for ataturk but not for their lust for power.[/b]
This is literally one of the mains roles he gave to the the army. Why do you think he would be against the army overthrowing insane religious dictators, when that's exactly how he got to power and built modern Turkey in the first place? You think he'd side with "democratically elected" Sultan Erdogan instead? How many more times will he extend his mandate? How many more purges of political enemies, how many more restrictions to media and freedom of speech, how much more blatant dictator bullshit before you accept he is a power-hungry demagogue? Democracy is like a train ride, once I get to my stop, I’m getting off. He's getting off very soon, and already has for everyone who's not a brainwashed cunt.
erdogan purged the army from secular generals that were erdogans enemies, erdogan and fetullah were still buddies at the time, so no doubt that fetullah had his people amongst the the new generals that replaced with the jailed secular ones. back then before the purge, army would never ever let fetullahs men sneak into army. fetullah was and always very strong among the police force. after the war broke out between fethullah and erdogan, he cleansed the police from his people (which took years) and it was the time to clean the army from his men, there was another purge incoming in august. fetullahs men were either going to be jailed or forcefully retired. thus they planned and organised this premature coup. Ataturk was a good man and a leader. but i dont think this is how he imagined. army taking over anytime they want, generals become untouchable gods. surely they were doing those coups for ataturk but not for their lust for power.
But Erdogan is the complete opposite of what Ataturk would have wanted. If the coup would have succeeded there would have been a slight chance of improvement. Slight, but possible. With Erdogan there is no hope. Ataturk knew what needed to be done to create a modern society at that time. You on the other hand have a guy as dictator, who cries how Twitter and Facebook are cyberbulling him and is about as easly triggered as a tumblr feminist. Id say you are most definately fucked by friend.
Turkey has two major groups, Conservative Muslim and Kemalist Liberals, why don't we implement this?
its just some extra water in my pool of unhappiness
its just some extra water in my pool of unhappiness.
that sounds really sad and I am sorry for you.
hugs + pat on the back.
Erdogan and Putin BFFs? lol.
Another argument that coup was staged is that russian charter flights were canceled for 2-3 days just before it happened. And as long as these assholes tyrants are bff now, I can easily believe that russians were informed. It reminds the situation when Iosif wanted to use albert. But all of us remember how it happened. And this coup really looks like Reichstag fire.
Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.
Another argument that coup was staged is that russian charter flights were canceled for 2-3 days just before it happened. And as long as these assholes tyrants are bff now, I can easily believe that russians were informed. It reminds the situation when Iosif wanted to use albert. But all of us remember how it happened. And this coup really looks like Reichstag fire.
Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.
Sounds unreal, but it's true. After the Tard officially apologized to Putin, they indeed became BFFs.
What can you tell us about this Gulen guy? He opens "schools" across the US, looks like some kind of cult. There is cult near me called the Maharishi, these are hindus that claim they can bend spoons with their minds and levitate, famous people go there for $100,000 a stay for spiritual relaxation.
He obviously has some major money
What I can tell you about him is that he is a religion monger who ran off to the USA during the snackbar cleansing of February 28, 1997. Up until then he had been supported by the previous Turkish governments as a contra-leftist tool. Yes, the previous governments, although they all varied in their political views, always nurtured Islamists to supress leftist movements. They kept them on a leash though.
Back to the topic: USA decided Gulen was too influential a tool to overlook and got him covered. As Darksoul said, he indeed lives in a manor guarded by the CIA. In time he started expanding his influence to build religious schools mainly in poverty-stricken countries. He acted like a philantropic missionary. He led a religious cult called Nur (the Holy Light) which was established by a madman called Said-i Nursi.
The Tard had always been an avid follower of him. And when he came to power also as a US tool (read this link (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all) to grasp what I mean), they held hands. The Tard started installing Gulen's henchmen in all kinds of highly important positions from the army to jurisdiction. Everything was going really fine. Together they managed to capture all media bodies and turned into a savage hydra. They started the notorious trial series to imprison patriot generals and incriminating everyone as they wished through their loudspeakers.
Things went to shit when the cake was in front of them. Soon they started fighting about who would get the bigger piece. It is then that the Tard eventually snapped and started evacuating the installed pieces. This coup itself was probably instigated on purpose to lure the remnants out of their military barracks. And you know the rest of the story.
I tried to keep it as brief as possible. But as you can see, the shithole goes as deeper as you would like it to.
Now I wish to flee to Australia. The further from Russia (and now Turkey) - the better.
What can you tell us about this Gulen guy? He opens "schools" across the US, looks like some kind of cult. There is cult near me called the Maharishi, these are Hindu cultists that claim they can bend spoons with their mind and levitate, famous people go there for $100,000 a stay for spiritual relaxation.
If Erdogan does not claim to be the protector of Islamic values do you think ISIS or another radical group will claim this position? I agree with everything you said here but I think Erdogan is smarter than he appears to be. He also threatens to ban facebook and twitter on a regular basis yet he used these social media platforms to stop the coup, unless of course the whole thing was an inside job. If only 40% of Turks are secular, probably less I don't know, someone has to keep the rest of the 60% Islamist whackos in line or the nation will cease to function. Do you think having to deal with the political threat of Islam shapes who Gollum truly is? Could any leader rule Turkey without turning into a monster in some form or another? Maybe there's an ounce of comfort knowing that Smeagel has no choice but to keep Islam out of the hands of others who would make the situation far worse... idk
Sounds unreal, but it's true. After the Tard officially apologized to Putin, they indeed became BFFs.
The coup attempt was most likely a bait for the soldiers and some judges etc. Now they can be replaced really easy and legitly, no one can say a word. They're also changing constitution judges, which means they aim at changing the constitution easier. Which will bring presidency. Which is actually good. Which will bring Erdogan as president. Which is terribad.Young "democracy" shouldn't have powerfull president, a powerfull president is the easiest path to dictatorship. The power residing in parlement is much better because you can't get a cult of personnality (which is the main disease in country used to dictatorship), the power is more partitionned so it's more difficult to take it all. In Switzerland the parliement is so powerfull, people usually don't even know who the president is...
Though, Erdogan already rules as a Sultan doing whatever he pleases, Turkey having a two party presidency system like in America, would be healthier than current situation, because when you get the vote paper its like 20 parties competing, around 15 of them are lefties, thats why conservatives always win elections in Turkey. Turkey has two major groups, Conservative Muslim and Kemalist Liberals, why don't we implement this?
The bad part would be Erdogan would go full Putin, with a Medvedev(Binali) in his side, fucking up the country.
I'm not pro-coup but coup doesn't harm democracy here, since we have none at all.
goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns. Civili war is near. u can be sure when thoose isalimic supporter toke that weapons they will start to kill non muslims, Ataturk supporters, opposite party supporters even (tellin that for ur understandin my english is not enough for that) Orthodox islam supporters (think most of turks Catholic).
goverment start to give weapons to civil ppl and they said u will defend our democracy with thoose guns.
Sources?
its happening
Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV (http://news.trust.org/item/20160718132040-sv7c8)
Sources?as flockula said some ppl from the govermment said that and i saw ppl with guns in my city
I swear they are not look like turks they look like arabslie they look so similar :P
Haha, according to the US they would consider giving Gülen to Turkey if Turkey produced some heavy evidence for his involvement in the coup. Turkey's prime minister is "disappointed" that the US would ask for evidence.
I hope you guys don't have to go through civil war, but this doesn't bode well. Remember, don't throw away life for stupid ideas.
here is some rare footages
soldiers attacking the hotel in which erdogan was spending his holiday. clashing with his heavily armed guards.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c37_1468852702
soldiers taking over the trt building. (main tv channel of state) they later declared the coup and martial law from there.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ef_1468795146
helicopter attacking the Turkish intelligence headquarters
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=048_1468848084
Food for thought:
The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.
Really? A True coup, with Jets on his tail(even radar locked the plane a few times) and they don't fire? What kind of coup has the enemy in their sites and chooses not to pull the trigger....
Putting him on trial would give the cause more legitimacy than outright killing him. He isn't exactly a pariah in the international community.
The two F-16s didn't want to shoot or didn't have live weapons.
The protection from a fighter escort is based on them breaking off and engaging the opponent far away from the soft target. They can't stop a bullet or a missile mid-flight.
If the will and ability had been there, Erdogan would not be alive.
In case of civil war i'm not gonna join either groupes. I mean the ones who defend the coup or the ones who defend democracy with ''allah akbar'' and death penalty or leftists. But if i will be threatened i have no choice to fight back to be honest. Cause i can't quit this shithole at least 2-3 years.
Why would they go after him without guns and no intention to bring him down? Seems stupid and points further to it being staged.
Impossible to say at this point. Perhaps they were initially ordered to force him to land, not kill him. And maybe then lost radio contact, like Thomek suggested.There's no way people who can send F-16s at Erdogan's plane didn't know that he had 2 F-16s himself escorting him. So it makes even less sense, why would they send only two against two? If they didn't intend to shoot him, and didn't take down the escorts, then it was literally pointless from the get-go.
It's unlikely that the coup faction planned to use the F-16s to shoot him down from the start and they tried to take him on the ground earlier in Marmaris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGFY7dW6KUY).
Everything about the coup points it to being extremely rushed, and even getting two F-16s flying without live weapons would make the coup look like it has much more chance of success. And they showed the jets around a lot, flying low here and there.
This of course doesn't prove that Erdogan or his party had nothing to do with it. He was reported to call it a "gift from Allah", despite the deaths.
Is there any skirmish/encounter they won?
There's no way people who can send F-16s at Erdogan's plane didn't know that he had 2 F-16s himself escorting him. So it makes even less sense, why would they send only two against two? If they didn't intend to shoot him, and didn't take down the escorts, then it was literally pointless from the get-go.
I haven't read through all 22 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been posted already...
But I for one and curious as to what will come from the big wikileaks dump of turkish documents announced today.
https://www.rt.com/news/351995-wikileaks-attack-turkey-documents/
It's just too hard for me to form a theory or opinion on these matters since everything I have received has been sifted through media filters. Still, I find it pretty interesting as far as world news goes.
So what would happen if Erdogan falls victim to an unfortunate accident (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Unfortunate_accident)? Is there a definite powerful successor or would the AKP collapse under an internal power struggle? Asking for a friend(it's better to be careful here in Germany).
turkish acedemics are forbidden to leave the country and those abroad are to come back asap.
come back to turkey guys hehe its just a surprise execution hehe
come back to turkey guys hehe its just a surprise execution hehe
My dad and stepsiblings are going to Turkey on July 28th though for a wedding. Istanbul as well of all places. Fail?
but he'd have a good claim to be carrying on the will of the newly martyred Erdogan
Turkey could be kicked out of NATO:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threaten-countrys-nato-membership-john-kerry-warns-a7142491.html
That could completely destabilize the whole region and would probably lead to global war in a few years from now. They can't afford it, just bluffing atm so retard gets to his senses and stop the madness he started since last Friday.
That could completely destabilize the whole region and would probably lead to global war in a few years from now. They can't afford it, just bluffing atm so retard gets to his senses and stop the madness he started since last Friday.
One thing that intrigues me though, is the timing of Wikileaks. Is it the opposite of a conspiracy, and they just need the media attention to be somewhat on Turkey before releasing infos? If so, since when did they have all those files?
What if the coup was really staged by US and Wikileaks is playing its part (willfully or not)? Turkey could have done like nothing happened and remained "friends" officially, but now they retaliate and purge their country of the US-supported whatever and suddenly the western nations remove their blinders and criticize Turkey lack of democracy? Except the possible re-institution of the death penalty (still a thing in some NATO countries and noone is like "HOW CRUEL!") and "taking back their country" from the plotters in that theory, what has Turkey done?
(I'm just presenting another possibility to feed the thread, its not my sacred opinion on the matter, its purposedfully direct, but just food for thoughts :))
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.
Since the US has nukes in Turkey, I highly doubt there is any possibility to a US-backed coup. That would be so stupidly irresponsible... Imagine this actually getting found out 1 day later, what would have happened? Those nukes sure as shit wouldn't be safe. Would the US hand them over? Turkey would almost certainly see the backing of the coup as a declaration of war and would thus focus its attention on the US base. So what's the US do? Hand the Nukes over to a country they would now likely be at war with?
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.Likely true, although I wasn't implying anything similar to a "big red button."
So you muricans are indeed paranoid conspiracy theorists. But in a retarded way.When it comes to anything that could increase the chance of nukes falling into the hands of people that actively kill themselves for spiritual reasons? Yes. Absolutely.
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.
doesn't seem he'd like to stop anytime soon, in fact he is accelerating his madness. what plays in his hands the most is that eu is flooded by socialists and their electorate - people that had to good life that they couldn't take it anymore and started to want everything without effort and for free (on debt). this is the biggest eu problem right now.
anyway pretty scary how a solid country, that negotiated visa cancelling with eu and has 2nd biggest nato army can within 10 years turn into despotism.
we won't see global war - i mean global war with nukes and stuff. but civil wars and detached conflicts, aye definitely possible. if we see a global war, i don't care - i won't see it for longer than a few mins anyways.
"death to the seculars"
We will miss you.
State of emergency announced in Turkey, Erdogan can now bypass parliament for passing new laws and suspending rights.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-idUSKCN0ZX07S
It is depressing indeed. I do wish to flee further and I don't afraid of chinese in Australia. For me they looks less dangerous then these despotic psychos.
In russian (non-state one, actually located in Riga by obvious reasons) media a news appeared saying that russians intelligence astrayed communication about the coup and informed Turkey just in several hours before it started.
However this source is marked as non-proved. But from my point of view it is reasonable.
That is another argument about these retards being bff, Butan.
Also, they talked by phone (and russian tard wished turkey tard to bring back constitutional order"") and are going to meet soon again. You shouldn't think about russian politics as about something reasonable. Everything rely on retard's mood.Also there is a quote of one general that intelligence received this info in several hours before the coup. But didn't say anything about where from they received this info.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
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All this makes coup not staged one but definitely provoked. And current statements and actions look horrific. As Bat'ka Lukashenko looked not that bad after russian tard started the war in Ukraine; now russian tard looks not so bad in comparison with turkish one.
It is depressing indeed. I do wish to flee further and I don't afraid of chinese in Australia. For me they looks less dangerous then these despotic psychos.
As much as you hate Putin, you should know that being president for so long and managing a country so big requires to not be "retarded". It all makes sense in the end, we just dont see everything from where we are.Here you are soooo wrong. This retard couldn't care less if he will look or act as retarded. That is the issue. And being president for so long doesn't bring neither reasonability nor responsibility. And as long as they started contacts before the coup and even next day after the Istanbul bomb the flights were enabled again and travel agencies were allowed the tours to Turkey saying it is safe now. All these things says that relationship was fine and sharing intelligence was fine for them.
All these things says that relationship was fine and sharing intelligence was fine for them.
And following the theory, probably having an ally on bosphorus looks so nice to rustard.
Probably right on the "better as ally", but what I pointed out before was that Turkey-Russia were not BFF's at least just prior to the coup :P debatedly they are just "neutral" now.Why do you think so?
Why do you think so?
State to state relationship are not or black, or white, trust is very slow to build, even more so trust between normal and civilized countries, so when people talk of BFF status when a year ago they were on the brink of war and people feared a WW3 between them, I just got to laugh at how simplistic some point of view are.There, fixed it for you. It works like this, when institutes in the state works. But it is not applicable to fail-bandit-states.
without knowing a lot about the chinese, I agree that they seem less fool hearted, but cold and efficient in achieving their goals, which doesnt make them less problematic considering peace. in effect pretty much like the US actually, just without the cowboy fuck yeah mentality.
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You really have no standing ground, being German, questioning Chinese actions that could disturb world peace.
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.(click to show/hide)
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.(click to show/hide)
Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.(click to show/hide)
This is starting to remind me more and more of einstein's rise, except that nazeesm is replaced by salafism. What a bunch of apes.
We keep saying it. But it really does. There is so many similarities. Didn't Erdogan once say something that Na.zi Germany and Hi.tler were good or something?
You might be right, as I am far from having expert knowledge on china. Although I feel I have enough insight into history to express that (emerging) superpowers are willing to destabilize regions and mold them in their favor.
considering this:
I dont feel my opinions should matter less because of my nationality.
Ps: afaik china historically was a meritocracy, even served as a role model for european philosophers during the enlightenment. but today? nah man. on economical level for sure, but politically it feels very ailing.
but enough derailment, I am off for a long european weekend of doing fun european things.
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I'm absolutely serious when I say: all turks here, please start using Tor/a VPN/anything, now. Not tomorrow, not next week.
I'm absolutely serious when I say: all turks here, please start using Tor/a VPN/anything, now. Not tomorrow, not next week.
There is only one thing clear for me, Erdogan and AKP won't go down through elections.
You misunderstand, Kirman says "go down" as in "to lose, be defeated" or in this case "to be removed from power".
The first decree signed by Erdogan authorizes the closure of 1,043 private schools, 1,229 charities and foundations, 19 trade unions, 15 universities and 35 medical institutions over suspected links to the Gulen movement.
do it :P i have free 5 min(click to show/hide)
this foto is more clear i dont see any phones i can send u some source but the languege :(
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It's also funny that they don't give a fuck about the animals who lynched poor confused soldiers, who had already surrendered.
How many hundreds of civilians were wounded or killed during the coup attempt by the poor confused soldiers?
No hard feelings, but you're a weirdo Butan :wink:
You really try hard not to understand, don't you? I have been writing for the sole purpose of providing information, yet you just cherry pick a line, dismiss the rest and appear uninformed every single time.
It was 99% the officers' doing. I suspect only few were killed/wounded by soldiers who felt compelled to obey orders.
I'm not particularly concerned being safely living in France.
No hard feelings, but you're a weirdo Butan :wink:
apes :PAre you trying to say you feel kinship with them?