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Title: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Panos_ on July 15, 2016, 09:28:43 pm
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Post by: Bittersteel on July 15, 2016, 09:45:32 pm
ooh wow so edgy more threads pls
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Post by: Mlekce on July 15, 2016, 09:47:42 pm
Perfect trolling, but to cruel.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Panos_ on July 15, 2016, 09:59:01 pm
Perfect trolling, but to cruel.

It is ok, the french liberal communists can take the hits.
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Post by: Rhaegar on July 15, 2016, 10:10:49 pm
if there was your girl crushed by the truck, I do not think you would find it funny.respect for our French brothers
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Post by: Yeldur on July 15, 2016, 10:31:15 pm
Too soon.
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Post by: Ikarus on July 15, 2016, 10:55:07 pm
too soon  :|

Panos, I think you´re alright in general, but threads like these...gosh, you´re like that friend on a wedding who makes really inappropriate jokes and everybody comes up to me and asks me "Did you really have to bring that asshole with you?" and I just mumble "sorry" and hope that he´ll eventually learn someday

RL pro tip: If nobody else is laughing, then the stuff you said probably wasn´t funny. It rather makes you look like an idiot. Or in your case, like a moron. Not cool  :(
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Post by: Gurgumul on July 15, 2016, 11:22:31 pm
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Post by: txusdechamberi on July 15, 2016, 11:29:18 pm
FFS! look what you did to turkey.... now we wont have bannerlord

btw, what happened to EU servers??
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Post by: Blackbow on July 16, 2016, 12:22:43 am
This is sad and borderline.

and now let's have a thought for our turkish brothers who are having bad times !
and fuck erdogan and you greeks gimme back ma money !!

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Post by: matt2507 on July 16, 2016, 12:24:18 am
Cmon guys, u realy think that's the moment to have fun with that ?
Imagine if a french crpg player have lost he's kid or wife at Nice and read this shit..

Try to think sometimes...
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 12:51:44 am
Cmon guys, u realy think that's the moment to have fun with that ?
Imagine if a french crpg player have lost he's kid or wife at Nice and read this shit..

Try to think sometimes...
If he'd done it like a month or two later, then I would have disagreed, as dark humour is more my territory than anything, but a couple of days after? That's just not cool at all, even for Panos.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 12:58:42 am
#niceattack
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Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 01:21:45 am
#niceattack
fight me irl you fucking steel that is bitter i'll kick ur ass because i have trained for over 25 years with my glorious nippon steel katana that can slice through the fabric of reality itself, u made a big mistake ever contacting me thrugh these online forums as right now i am tracking your ip address as my dad works for microsoft, be prepared gaijin, for with my katana i will cut you down for ever making the mishap of talking to me, i bet u wish you could take it back now, but you can't, it's too late. you're already dead kid.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 01:24:19 am
pls why do every1 wanna kill me
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Mirliva on July 16, 2016, 01:31:56 am
There's almost military coup happened in Turkey, Panos. What u think about that?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 01:45:12 am
too soon  :|

It isn't too soon. Because shit has hit the fan, modesty and nice manners are going out of fashion. We can still pretend it is all fine but frankly it isn't. Global situation is pretty bad. People becoming used to these things and making jokes reflect how grave situation truly is.

Edit: Don't think Panos is trying to be funny. I see him being bitter and resigned, not laughing and having a good joke on expense of others.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 01:45:28 am
pls why do every1 wanna kill me
u fucking what
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Post by: kaassaus on July 16, 2016, 01:00:14 pm
Panos you suck big time!
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Post by: Butan on July 16, 2016, 02:03:19 pm
It isn't too soon. Because shit has hit the fan, modesty and nice manners are going out of fashion. We can still pretend it is all fine but frankly it isn't. Global situation is pretty bad. People becoming used to these things and making jokes reflect how grave situation truly is.

Edit: Don't think Panos is trying to be funny. I see him being bitter and resigned, not laughing and having a good joke on expense of others.


Leshma Leshma Leshma..... You're becoming a mannered Oberyn watch out!  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 03:01:57 pm
Never going to happen. Wish I was skilled wordsmith like he is.
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Post by: Porthos on July 16, 2016, 03:20:07 pm
pls why do every1 wanna kill me
maybe it's time to convert to islam?
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Post by: Falka on July 16, 2016, 03:23:07 pm
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Post by: Ayanne on July 16, 2016, 03:49:55 pm
I dont find that funny im curious to know if you joke like this if its your son under the truck,you are a retarded you just deserve to be ignored.
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Post by: McKli_PL on July 16, 2016, 03:53:21 pm
Cynicism is nice but it has some limits :?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: sF_Guardian on July 16, 2016, 04:48:20 pm
Cynicism is nice but it has some limits :?

Nope.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Panos_ on July 16, 2016, 06:55:37 pm
Oh you think its too soon?

Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?

Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.


A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.

You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.

I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.

You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 07:15:19 pm
You're greek, you're not exactly white
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Post by: Xesta on July 16, 2016, 07:43:33 pm
You're greek, you're not exactly white

What are greeks then? Marsians? Actually europide = white. And, oh yeah, so are most muslims but people don't want to accept that I guess lmao.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Varadin on July 16, 2016, 07:54:01 pm
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those were some ez kills , Ture tincan raping peasnts  8-)
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Post by: Elio on July 16, 2016, 07:55:14 pm
Poor guy, here for you:

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You can now come back to build sand castles.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 08:01:54 pm
What are greeks then? Marsians? Actually europide = white. And, oh yeah, so are most muslims but people don't want to accept that I guess lmao.

You're either white or marsian, right? And what the fuck is a europide?

There's actual colours you know, if you're white you're white, if you're brown you're a friend. If you're black you're a sandfriend. Panos is a friend.

Actually I was kidding, I don't want to be muted again
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Post by: Falka on July 16, 2016, 08:07:20 pm
But you're quite right, I couldn't tell the difference between average Turk and Panos, they're equally brown.
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Post by: Berserkadin on July 16, 2016, 08:16:55 pm
Greeks = European Turks.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xesta on July 16, 2016, 08:28:48 pm
You're either white or marsian, right? And what the fuck is a europide?

There's actual colours you know, if you're white you're white, if you're brown you're a friend. If you're black you're a sandfriend. Panos is a friend.

Actually I was kidding, I don't want to be muted again

I don't know any white people then. :| Only pinkish/tanned "white" people, except if you're an albino.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 08:29:42 pm
So you only know marsians?
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Post by: Xesta on July 16, 2016, 08:32:30 pm
I just don't think in colours, more like in facial features, which determines where you are from. Anthropology it is called.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Panos_ on July 16, 2016, 08:37:58 pm
You're greek, you're not exactly white

Do you think I am a racist?

I dont give a fuck that I have olive coloured skin, I am a proud Greek.

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 16, 2016, 08:39:48 pm
You're not greek anymore tho, I bet you have 75% turkish blood
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Post by: jtobiasm on July 16, 2016, 08:48:19 pm
Just been to kavos, shithole
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Post by: Falka on July 16, 2016, 09:19:00 pm
I dont give a fuck that I have olive coloured skin, I am a proud Greek.

That's what we, white people, call "brown".
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 09:34:43 pm
Oh you think its too soon?

Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?

Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.


A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.

You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.

I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.

You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.

It's funny how deluded you are that you think France or anyone else will do fuck all. All that's going to happen is they'll send their aircraft to go drop bombs on places. You won't ever stop ISIS, so long as they keep recruiting they CAN'T be stopped unless you literally want to commit mass genocide (That was rhetorical by the way, I'm fairly sure you probably do want all Muslims dead) - The cycle of this shit is that for a week we'll be talking about this, then it'll go back to the norm until the next killing happens. It's a vicious cycle and it won't end.

Also, by dropping bombs on all these countries you don't help the situation either, all you do is kill innocents which will then go and join ISIS, you can't beat ISIS through war because they're made up of people, not a specific selection of military, the only way you could TRULY beat ISIS through force is by gathering every last inch of military power from the most powerful countries (America, Russia etc etc) and then literally storming EVERYWHERE, engaging military rule. Even then you'd still lose fuck tons of men from Guerrilla warfare, it's not something you can truly solve through force, it's something that can only be solved by leaving them alone. If the fucking stupid countries didn't attack them they wouldn't HAVE an ISIS to deal with, but they did, and that's their fault, and it's the reason so much death is all around us today.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2016, 10:21:30 pm
Just been to kavos, shithole

Of course it is, after thousands of waved Brits piss and shit all over the place. Doesn't help Greeks being lazy, not willing to clean up after Brits. They like easy money, hate to work for it.

Swear to me mum, haven't seen worse European crowd than Brits outside Britain.
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Post by: Ujin on July 16, 2016, 11:14:41 pm
Oh you think its too soon?

Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?

Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.


A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.

You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.

I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.

You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.
Panos you know I like you man, but you're basically saying that you're happy that you were right and therefore an event where dozens of innocents get killed brings you joy. Just cause it proves your point. Are you that bitter , bro?
What was going through your head when you've decided to post this joke of yours? It's not funny (and i like all kinds of humor, dark included) and it's certainly not helpful.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: jtobiasm on July 16, 2016, 11:17:22 pm
Of course it is, after thousands of waved Brits piss and shit all over the place. Doesn't help Greeks being lazy, not willing to clean up after Brits. They like easy money, hate to work for it.

Swear to me mum, haven't seen worse European crowd than Brits outside Britain.

It's full of fucking gypsies too.
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Post by: Tydeus on July 16, 2016, 11:21:27 pm
Even then you'd still lose fuck tons of men from Guerrilla warfare, it's not something you can truly solve through force, it's something that can only be solved by leaving them alone. If the fucking stupid countries didn't attack them they wouldn't HAVE an ISIS to deal with, but they did, and that's their fault, and it's the reason so much death is all around us today.
I smell an ostrich.

Say we left them alone for a few years. When they continue to kill themselves at a rate which is btw significantly faster than the rate at which they kill citizens in western countries (More Muslims die to the extremism than westerners, by far (http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslims-are-the-victims-of-between-82-and-97-of-terrorism-related-fatalities-us-government/5516565)) would you then at least concede that "something" needs to be done?

I don't think we (in my case the US) are helping much atm, but ignoring genocide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL) isn't acceptable either.
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Post by: Ikarus on July 16, 2016, 11:41:19 pm
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I´m not supporting our countries right wing because they´re a bunch of degenerate untermensch-baboons, but don´t call me a leftie. Those guys are so far away from reality it hurts my ballsack.

I also really hate it when random people (who mostly aren´t even included in the accident) jump onto the drama-train and make a show by lighting buildings and standing around with "peace for the earth"-banners and other useless shit like that. But it´s sad that things like these happen and they shouldn´t happen. So what´s your point when you post stuff like that? Do you actually celebrate that those people got run over? Because all the dead people there must be leftie-sheeples and deserved it because they voted wrong? Do you think "fuck yeah, you lefties, that´s what you get when you don´t nuke the whole shitskin-area."? Dude, if the ISIS-problem would be that easy, all the aloah-snackbars would have vanished a long time ago.

So, again, what was the point in this post?
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Post by: Yeldur on July 16, 2016, 11:58:47 pm
I smell an ostrich.

Say we left them alone for a few years. When they continue to kill themselves at a rate which is btw significantly faster than the rate at which they kill citizens in western countries (More Muslims die to the extremism than westerners, by far (http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslims-are-the-victims-of-between-82-and-97-of-terrorism-related-fatalities-us-government/5516565)) would you then at least concede that "something" needs to be done?

I don't think we (in my case the US) are helping much atm, but ignoring genocide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL) isn't acceptable either.
Don't forget that you caused this "genocide" that everyone is so worried about. Maybe hm.. Don't start wars you can't finish? Same with us in the UK, we helped start this war. All of the countries involved are the reason ISIS exist, but we can't do jack shit about it now, it's either let ISIS murder innocents or attack ISIS and kill innocents along with them. You want a way to stop ISIS? Nuke them. You'll kill hundreds and thousands of innocents but that is the only way you're ever going to stop them. War won't. Abstention won't.

I'm not saying that we should let thousands of Muslims die at the hands of ISIS, but I'm also saying that we shouldn't be wasting manpower on something that we're not going to stop.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Macropus on July 17, 2016, 12:01:51 am
Imagine if a french crpg player have lost he's kid or wife at Nice and read this shit..
Why would he read crpg forum after losing his kid or wife?

Btw Panos, the joke is simply bad IMO, it's almost like you're trying to be harsh.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 17, 2016, 12:18:19 am
Why would people even try to reason with Panos... He is and always was retarded, if only devs still cared about this shithole forum, he'd be permabanned again long time ago.
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Post by: Tydeus on July 17, 2016, 12:20:00 am
Don't forget that you caused this "genocide" that everyone is so worried about. Maybe hm.. Don't start wars you can't finish? Same with us in the UK, we helped start this war. All of the countries involved are the reason ISIS exist, but we can't do jack shit about it now, it's either let ISIS murder innocents or attack ISIS and kill innocents along with them. You want a way to stop ISIS? Nuke them. You'll kill hundreds and thousands of innocents but that is the only way you're ever going to stop them. War won't. Abstention won't.

I'm not saying that we should let thousands of Muslims die at the hands of ISIS, but I'm also saying that we shouldn't be wasting manpower on something that we're not going to stop.
The facts are undeniable. We brought about something worse by removing an already evil dictator (among other things). But the only thing that would be different would be how often these atrocities occur, not by ISIS but another organization. That's why this is a war of ideas and it doesn't matter what we do if we keep our heads in the sand saying "just ignore them and leave it alone. We're the only problem." The problem is that we need to start promoting a reformation within Islam like what the rest of the world's religions have already undergone. Otherwise they're going to continue killing themselves and we're going to continue getting involved (for one reason or another, guilt if nothing else).
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Post by: Panos_ on July 17, 2016, 12:52:06 am
Panos you know I like you man, but you're basically saying that you're happy that you were right and therefore an event where dozens of innocents get killed brings you joy. Just cause it proves your point. Are you that bitter , bro?
What was going through your head when you've decided to post this joke of yours? It's not funny (and i like all kinds of humor, dark included) and it's certainly not helpful.

If you want to make an omelette, you need to break some eggs.

Am I happy that French people died, no, quitte the opposite.
Am I happy that because ofthe deaths of the French people, Europe will wake the fuck up, and kick most of the Muslims out, yes, that I am.

Sooner or later, its bound to happen.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Mlekce on July 17, 2016, 01:01:54 am
Innocent people died, that's sad. But you cant vote for some asshole and his friends who goes to bomb every single nation who don't obey their rules and expect to be safe and free. Innocent people in Iraq, Syria, Libya and across all Africa are dying every day because of European countries that fucked up their states.
You can't support extremists in destroying functional states when it is in your interest, and expect to be safe. And they are doing the same shit again in Syria by supporting Nusra and other Jihadis against Assad. Euro countries still support "moderate rebels" in Syria who will get to nearest European capital in next wave of immigrants and detonate itself. Don't be fooled by their moderate names, they are all chanting Allahu Akbar, beheading and being apes.

You can't have allies like Sudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey. Who gives the ISIS and other jihadi groups money and weapons? Those countries. Those are USA allies. I mean France, wtf? What do you seriously expect to happen? It is easier not to give a shit about some countries that are far away, to support assholes who send there airplanes, bomb people, destroy their lives , steal their oil and other natural resources and proclaim it was in the name of "democracy". Western Europe is not rich because it their people are smart and successful, they all stole from other nations, their colonies. We get rich, others can die from hunger, we don't care. That cind of imperial politics lead to this immigrant situation and supporting terrorism lead to this massacre. 

West brought this on itself, and more bombs from planes will not bring solution to this problem.  You don't even know what is happening in the world, you can't see or hear it in mainstream media. They give you "truth" it was for democracy shit, these are good guys, these are bad, let's bomb them without seeing bigger picture. We can expect more and more immigrants from Africa and Middle East since nobody normal would like to live in absolute poverty and fear of getting blown up buy merrican or other sunni/shite bomb every day. We can only guess how many extremists will enter in those immigrant waves. This is going to be every day reality in Europe.

Panos is wrong in thinking that more bombs, fences and destruction will solve anything. Only peace and improving way of life in Africa and Middle East will stop this bomb attacks and immigration.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Yeldur on July 17, 2016, 01:09:28 am
The facts are undeniable. We brought about something worse by removing an already evil dictator (among other things). But the only thing that would be different would be how often these atrocities occur, not by ISIS but another organization. That's why this is a war of ideas and it doesn't matter what we do if we keep our heads in the sand saying "just ignore them and leave it alone. We're the only problem." The problem is that we need to start promoting a reformation within Islam like what the rest of the world's religions have already undergone. Otherwise they're going to continue killing themselves and we're going to continue getting involved (for one reason or another, guilt if nothing else).
Either way we handle things it's a lose lose situation, the damage has already been done, the way I see it though, if we remove our soldiers we save their lives at the very least. This isn't something that I believe we can deal with, so why do we waste our soldiers lives there? I appreciate that their citizens are dying, but we're out of our depths here. Either way, we both agree that our countries all fucked up in different ways so that's all that matters.

Also, I can't see promoting a reformation of a religion working, bending steel is hard work, and slinging round posters saying "change ur beliefs1!" isn't going to do anything. It's actually more likely to incite their people to go against us.
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Post by: Mlekce on July 17, 2016, 01:19:46 am
The facts are undeniable. We brought about something worse by removing an already evil dictator (among other things).

And who told you that? CNN? Get your head from ur ass man.
it's always alibi to bomb and steal natural resources.  You really think that Obama and Merkel care about some Muslim guy in Middle East?
You are delusional and think that your countries are making this world better. Is it better now? It's shit and it's getting worsen man.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Yeldur on July 17, 2016, 01:35:41 am
And who told you that? CNN? Get your head from ur ass man.
it's always alibi to bomb and steal natural resources.  You really think that Obama and Merkel care about some Muslim guy in Middle East?
You are delusional and think that your countries are making this world better. Is it better now? It's shit and it's getting worsen man.
He literally just acknowledged that by them starting this they fucked things up, he's not saying they made everything better, they removed an already evil person to only have it replaced with another of the same along with loads more worse factors, whilst I agree we should never have gotten involved, it's way too late now, we already are.
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Post by: Asheram on July 17, 2016, 01:40:07 am
Has this now become a political forum section now that the game is dead?
I posted a fu to religion thread in off topic and it got moved in less than a minute to spam, yet someone now can post crude humour related to actual tragedy and it lives on in the general game discussion section.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 17, 2016, 01:41:50 am
And who told you that? CNN? Get your head from ur ass man.
it's always alibi to bomb and steal natural resources.
You're putting words in my mouth. My stating how(removal of Sadam creates destabilization) something occurred has nothing to do with stating why(the motive behind said removal) it occurred.

You really think that Obama and Merkel care about some Muslim guy in Middle East?
You are delusional and think that your countries are making this world better. Is it better now? It's shit and it's getting worsen man.
I don't think we (in my case the US) are helping much atm, but ignoring genocide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL) isn't acceptable either.
I specifically stated the opposite of your claim.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 17, 2016, 01:47:36 am
The facts are undeniable.

Heh, facts. We don't know for certain why ISIL exist, just like we don't know if American intervention is responsible for creation of it. We can make educated guess or simply speak our mind how we feel it is (like I often do) but those opinions aren't facts. None of us have facts regarding those matters. Hell, we don't even have solid facts about everything that happened during WWII. And we never will. Same can be said about most events that occurred in human history. Mathematicians operate with solid facts, historians do not.
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Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 01:48:01 am
A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks

Not really a hard guess.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Mlekce on July 17, 2016, 02:01:47 am
He literally just acknowledged that by them starting this they fucked things up, he's not saying they made everything better, they removed an already evil person to only have it replaced with another of the same along with loads more worse factors, whilst I agree we should never have gotten involved, it's way too late now, we already are.

Sorry, i bolded the whole sentence, just wanted to bold "evil dictator". Who said he was "evil"? You heard it on TV.
He is the bad guy, you are always the good guys. You should send your army to bomb evil guy, destroy all infrastructure, murder Innocent and make some money in the process. What do people get? Free speech and vote. Wow, so worth it.
And aftermath of this scenario? Most of the nations are not ready for a such big change and they instantly descend into chaos. Results are total destruction and devastation of that state, their resources are being used by other invading countries, they put some puppet regime and invading countries give them loans and build them infrastructure (that too is build buy invading countries companies). After that they create nice small war that can be contained and start  business of selling arms to puppet state and rebels. Everyone makes money, puppets steal money from credits, Nato make money from oil, building infrastructure, selling weapons and they make that state their slave by giving them cash that they can never fully pay. Win win situation, except for normal people who ether join tribal war or start migrating to a better place. 
This is the why people are becoming jihadis and doing stuff like this in Europe.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 17, 2016, 02:18:02 am
Heh, facts. We don't know for certain why ISIL exist, just like we don't know if American intervention is responsible for creation of it. We can make educated guess or simply speak our mind how we feel it is (like I often do) but those opinions aren't facts. None of us have facts regarding those matters. Hell, we don't even have solid facts about everything that happened during WWII. And we never will. Same can be said about most events that occurred in human history. Mathematicians operate with solid facts, historians do not.
I wasn't claiming that we had them all, merely that what facts we have (specifically using the word fact here, not opinion), shouldn't be denied, because they're just that: facts. The only fact claimed was that we deposed Sadam and this action destabilized the region significantly. No we can't rewind the clocks to test the prediction that ISIS is actually the direct result of that destabilization, but I haven't heard any informed political figure debate this simple thesis. If you happen to have one, feel free to link it and I'll take a look, but I suspect we might be talking past each other.

Sorry, i bolded the whole sentence, just wanted to bold "evil dictator". Who said he was "evil"? You heard it on TV.
He is the bad guy, you are always the good guys.
Why do people always assume that there is only ever pure evil and pure good and that claiming one thing as evil means that the other must then be good. Stop getting angry over stupid shit like this when none of your claims about me are things I actually believe.

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Blackbow on July 17, 2016, 08:48:42 am
Oh you think its too soon?

Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?

Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.


A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.

You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.

I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.

You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.

Call us the day greeks will wake up plz !
Greeks should take example from their turkish brothers ! they tried atleast !
and vote le pen will make us leave europe and stop paying for cocainoman greeks whore
sound like a good thing but no...

and btw any news of eu1 comeback ?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Kirman on July 17, 2016, 10:05:06 am
I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.

I have to disagree here. Let's say Le Pen elected and successful on his mission. Well i'm sure i can appreciate Europe since i feel like foreigner in my own country but will i be always a threat or a target for them? Cause i'm a muslim in papers
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 17, 2016, 12:22:29 pm
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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Materia on July 17, 2016, 12:40:56 pm
I love this forum so much. There is not a single one I know that would have so many brainwashed politically correct lefties here denying every single fact, and adding their own ideology to supporting their stupidity. How could mankind fall that low?

The more dead people, the better, and French are not worth that much, none lewak is worth much, even less than a cockroach. I am waiting for the next hit, but I will try to be prepared, popcorn etc..

French, did you expect anything else from them, than...? Crayon power!

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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 17, 2016, 12:50:37 pm
I dont know mate, I think we have a nice balance going on between snackbars regressive leftist cucks and far-right Hit Youth nutters :P
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 17, 2016, 12:54:25 pm
#pray4nice
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Ikarus on July 17, 2016, 12:57:14 pm
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The more dead people, the better, and French are not worth that much

btw where do you come from, Materia?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 12:57:48 pm
Hey Panos, what do you think about your asslicking leadership handing over those military personnel who escaped from turkey via helicopter?

Oh shit sorry, you can't post.  :lol:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 17, 2016, 01:08:04 pm
Hey Panos, what do you think about your asslicking leadership handing over those military personnel who escaped from turkey via helicopter?

Oh shit sorry, you can't post.  :lol:
Why wouldn't they hand them over? Why should Greece shelter foreign soldiers who failed a coup in their own country?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 01:12:11 pm
I'm more offended by pathetic regressive pussies than by Panos's 4chan level trolling. Panos tried to have serious "discussions" with utter fucking retards, for years, who STILL won't open their eyes. Offensive bile-filled hysterical shitposting that makes the whiners cry is probably the least of his worries. I understand where he's coming from, people who have been paying attention aren't shocked by any of this anymore, only the head-in-the-sand idiots too busy blowing snackbar cock to pay attention to reality. 
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 17, 2016, 01:18:17 pm
btw where do you come from, Materia?

He's from Poland. Hopefully he'll get banned.

PS. That's funny, Oberyn upvotes Panos' post where he says he's happy cause 200 Frenchmen died. I admire your priorities Oberyn.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 17, 2016, 01:21:08 pm
Terror attacks have increased heavily since 2010 and you guys boast about 'knowing' this would happen since a year back  :rolleyes:

Damn, that's some high-level fortune telling
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 17, 2016, 01:25:08 pm
I know, right. Panos, the greatest thinker of our times.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 17, 2016, 01:28:03 pm
Yup, he's smarter and more aware of reality than most of our politicians and their brainwashed useful idiots. That's how fucked up the situation is.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 01:35:11 pm
Why wouldn't they hand them over? Why should Greece shelter foreign soldiers who failed a coup in their own country?

I'm just curious what he would say, chill

gonna take a while though
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 17, 2016, 02:05:40 pm
I'm just curious what he would say, chill

gonna take a while though
Don't tell me to fucking chILL IA M FUCKING CHILL MOTEHRFUCEKR
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: dagu807 on July 17, 2016, 02:20:31 pm
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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Christo on July 17, 2016, 02:20:51 pm
Don't tell me to fucking chILL IA M FUCKING CHILL MOTEHRFUCEKR

ahahaxahshdasfh xant so chill DuuuD xDDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on July 17, 2016, 02:46:57 pm
I have to disagree here. Let's say Le Pen elected and successful on his mission. Well i'm sure i can appreciate Europe since i feel like foreigner in my own country but will i be always a threat or a target for them? Cause i'm a muslim in papers

Jup. Even if Pen doesnt get elected the population will get more pissed off eventually, wether its the leftist or the rightist calling the shots. Its not like these attacks are gonna stop. Its gonna be same everywhere in Europe. Start thinking about Canada. They unconditionally love everyone up there.  :lol:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: coucouleloup on July 17, 2016, 05:35:07 pm
good one Panos  :lol: humour is universal, any better answer than humour !!

HarDraaDa

Ps: Give me back money
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 17, 2016, 05:54:11 pm
Why wouldn't they hand them over? Why should Greece shelter foreign soldiers who failed a coup in their own country?

Oh I don't know, political asylum maybe?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 17, 2016, 09:04:44 pm
Oh I don't know, political asylum maybe?
Do you seriously not know how to read? "Political asylum" does not answer the "why" question.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 18, 2016, 05:25:03 am
Do you seriously not know how to read? "Political asylum" does not answer the "why" question.

Are you retarded or just stupid?  If Greece decided to give the soldiers political asylum that would be a reason why they would not hand them back and why  they would give shelter to them.  That answers both questions with a possible answer.  Now, as to why they would give political asylum to them, well you didn't ask that question.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 18, 2016, 08:11:44 am
So how will this "kick all muslims out" thing work out? Put them in concentration camps for the time being? I got a muslim co-worker(known Ramadan cheater), who does the ISO certification crap in our company. Who will do it when he's gone? Not me. That shit is crazy, so count me out with your cleansing ideas.

Kinda scary how close the "enlightened" far right and muslim extremists match with their main goal.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 18, 2016, 09:15:23 am
Aren't they already in concentration camps? At least they are in Serbia. We haven't started exterminating them (yet). Would be easier than sending them back to Syria. Kinda impossible now, with Erdogan going full Idi Amin.

Edit: Easiest way is to go full Stalin. Disobedient in "worker" camps, to make example for others. Ban Islam in Europe. Problem solved.

But muh civil rights, personal freedom of expression? Can't have the cake and eat it. Native and foreigners are never treated equally.

It is better to deny certain rights to minority, but let them live normal life than to act like everything is okay but secretly pack them into mass graves, Milosevic style.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 18, 2016, 09:40:52 am
So how will this "kick all muslims out" thing work out? Put them in concentration camps for the time being? I got a muslim co-worker(known Ramadan cheater), who does the ISO certification crap in our company. Who will do it when he's gone? Not me. That shit is crazy, so count me out with your cleansing ideas.

Kinda scary how close the "enlightened" far right and muslim extremists match with their main goal.

 I agree with you Paul, it would be crazy to blame all Muslims for stuff like this. On the other hand though I find it hard to have any sympathy for people who can't stop defending and supporting a religion that blatantly promotes hate, violence and murder.

 I think Panos' message was more about the hypocrisy of people getting angrier at him for posting something offensive then they were about the attacks and the religion responsible for it.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 18, 2016, 01:52:49 pm
Are you retarded or just stupid?  If Greece decided to give the soldiers political asylum that would be a reason why they would not hand them back and why  they would give shelter to them.  That answers both questions with a possible answer.  Now, as to why they would give political asylum to them, well you didn't ask that question.
No, you fucking mong, the question is obviously WHY Greece would decide to GIVE them the fucking political asylum. Jesus Christ, your IQ can't possibly be higher than 60. I can't even fathom the thought process, or the lack of thought process, that would lead you to the conclusion you came to. It's so stupid my empathy stops working, at around ~90 IQ level I guess.

But at least you proved without the slightest doubt that your reading comprehension is the worst on this forum. Congratulations.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 18, 2016, 02:07:56 pm
No, you fucking mong, the question is obviously WHY Greece would decide to GIVE them the fucking political asylum. Jesus Christ, your IQ can't possibly be higher than 60. I can't even fathom the thought process, or the lack of thought process, that would lead you to the conclusion you came to. It's so stupid my empathy stops working, at around ~90 IQ level I guess.

But at least you proved without the slightest doubt that your reading comprehension is the worst on this forum. Congratulations.

Haha, so hilarious that Xant again and again is on about peoples reading comprehension while he himself gets taken in by some completely irrational texts from holocaust deniers.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 18, 2016, 02:26:19 pm
Haha, so hilarious that Xant again and again is on about peoples reading comprehension while he himself gets taken in by some completely irrational texts from holocaust deniers.
Haha, so hilarious that the Bloody Nine is still butthurt about something completely unrelated. Must be hard to be an emotional mess like you, my sympathies. Also, believing in stupid things you read has nothing to do with reading comprehension, you moron.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Christo on July 18, 2016, 02:28:13 pm
wow guys, it was only a silly question to poke panos  :lol: drama space created
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 18, 2016, 02:33:00 pm
Christo: "Why did the citizen call the police when the bank robber showed up at his doorstep instead of hiding him in his basement?"
Xant: "Why would the citizen hide the bank robber in his basement? Why wouldn't he call the police?"
Turkretard: "Oh, I don't know, HIDING HIM IN HIS BASEMENT, maybe?"
Xant: "What? "Hiding him in his basement" doesn't answer the "why" question."
Turkretard: "Hurr durrrr, if the citizen decided to hide the bank robber in his basement, that would be a reason WHY he would not call the police and WHY he would give shelter to him. Now, as to why the citizen would hide him in his basement, u never asked that question!!!"
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Post by: Overdriven on July 18, 2016, 02:33:40 pm
I'm so confused  :?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Vibe on July 18, 2016, 02:39:48 pm
I'm so confused  :?

when do you explode
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 18, 2016, 02:40:57 pm
Of course, I knew HESKEY would defend his position of 'freedom for everything and everyone'. Completely being oblivious to problem at hand. Terrorist attacks across Europe aren't reason why we should minimize influence of Islam (when I mentioned Stalin, I said easy way not the right way to do it). Nor its loss of our culture, being replaced with Islamic culture and customs. I honestly don't care whose customs will be adopted by general society, because I don't care much about them. Main reason why Islam is dangerous for Europe and why Sweden aren't helping other than giving valid reason to people across Europe to vote right wing, is situation in countries with mostly Islamic population. You can blame New World Order, USA, NATO, claim it is conspiracy against brown people and Islam but those are weak arguments. You can't prove any of that.

Only obvious conclusion is, in muslim countries people live shitty lives. People in western Europe don't. Therefore if Islam becomes major force in EU, our children will live poorly and we don't want that. I'm not against people, because I don't believe that religion breed people. It does brainwash them very successfully. We should fight teaching, not people. And we should start doing that awhile ago, minimal at first then raise the bar until policies start showing results.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 18, 2016, 02:42:42 pm
Christo: "Why did the citizen call the police when the bank robber showed up at his doorstep instead of hiding him in his basement?"
Xant: "Why would the citizen hide the bank robber in his basement? Why wouldn't he call the police?"
Turkretard: "Oh, I don't know, HIDING HIM IN HIS BASEMENT, maybe?"
Xant: "What? "Hiding him in his basement" doesn't answer the "why" question."
Turkretard: "Hurr durrrr, if the citizen decided to hide the bank robber in his basement, that would be a reason WHY he would not call the police and WHY he would give shelter to him. Now, as to why the citizen would hide him in his basement, u never asked that question!!!"

First post I'd upvote if I could upvote
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 18, 2016, 03:11:35 pm
Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 18, 2016, 03:17:05 pm
Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas. Think few of us are asking for anything more.

That is actually something I can get behind too.

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 18, 2016, 03:22:55 pm
Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas.

I'm with you on that, but I think that's not what Panos has in mind when he says about "destroying the muslim scum".
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 18, 2016, 03:51:57 pm
We have an issue with people who are already in EU and can't be returned. How do you plan to return them back to Syria? Turkey won't hear about it. Mass migration via planes?

Cherry picking who gets in EU is past us. More than million people already migrated to Germany, Sweden and other EU countries.

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I'll defend a position of 'how exactly do you plan to 'minimize influence' of Islam in a way that will not do more harm than good'.

If we keep doings things this way, trying to uphold our values we fought so hard to obtain, think that end result will be disastrous. Oberyn and Angantyr support nationalism but they seem to ignore the fact that those who brutally killed soldiers in Turkey are also nationalists. Doubt they stand for pointless killing of people, even those of different race or culture. But that is going to happen if we go keep forcing extremes on both sides. More violent extreme will prevail. Not saying that we have too many people capable of such actions in EU, but if this thread of hatred keeps unfolding, what we're going to get in the end will horrify you.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: njames89 on July 18, 2016, 05:43:38 pm
Panos you fucking cunt
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 18, 2016, 06:42:47 pm
Cherry picking who gets in EU is past us. More than million people already migrated to Germany, Sweden and other EU countries.

Disagree.
Millions already migrated, but if nothing changes it will be 10x that number in the next decades and then big problems could arise; today is still the time to act, if a migration reform is to be done it is not at all too late. I could even say that today the "european migration crisis" is a crisis only locally at epicenters of migrations, Europe by and large is still largely doing okay so there is still a lot to "save" (if you consider that migration would save something).
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 18, 2016, 06:54:22 pm
Just let them rant and rave.

It's obvious that the 'progressives' of this forum have only thought as far ahead as 'lets all say that islam I shit, and agree that islam is shit, and talk about DRASTIC ACTION' but never elaborate or go into detail about what that drastic action would be, because they don't know.

Because we live in the real world and let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that everyone in this forum or in a country agreed 'islam is dumb, hurr durr'. That alone isn't going to miraculously stop attacks from happening, no more than the 'tolerance' we have now which is somehow flaunted by the braindead and sexually frustrated as something which society has ever claimed is somehow supposed to be a magic forcefield against terror attacks? 'Hurr hurr, good one leftists your 'tolerance' didn't stop that truck' or 'your tolerance didn't stop those bullets', well neither did any amount of anti-islam circle-jerk (of which there is plenty).

The question has to be, so you have a problem with Islam, what you gonna do about it?

If the answer is 'nothing', then you truly are the king of all cucks, because at least 'leftists' have an end-goal in all this and not taking 'drastic action' (ambiguous) because that would harm the intended end-goal.

But if someone has identified 'this religion is a problem and always will be', and doesn't have in mind a practical solution for 'solving' that problem without going full Nazi (and is not prepared to go that far), then that person is the most infantile backseat driver of them all. Content to always play the role of 'I told you so', when nobody ever even argued that we were living in a utopia where terrorism is impossible, cos I'm pretty sure we're all aware that terrorism is a thing.

Someone thinks their ideology is progressive, can save lives, make their country stronger? Tell me how. The reason the defensive regressive rightists always leap to 'b b b b but you call me a chocolate chip cookie, waaaaaaaa' is because they've yet to come up with a solution that does not include Nazi-like concepts deportation, camps or worse, of a society that exists on the basis of the second class citizen based purely on religious belief. And how are you going to deport the people who were born in your country? And where do you deport them to? Which other country is ever going to agree to that? Who's going to pay for it? What if the people you're trying to deport refuse? What if they dont all wear nametags with 'im a muslim' written on it, y'know, selfishly make your cleanse harder than it sounds at first glance on a retarded videogame forum. And at the end of the day, for all the effort and disruption, and cost, and hatred you'll garner even from well-to-do non-muslims within your country are any of those steps actually going to make you *less* of a terror target? Fat fucking chance.

I never mentioned deporting all Muslims but I sure as shit wouldn't want more coming knowing the facts that more Islam = more terrorism, it's just a fact and you are in denial if you think otherwise. Refugees cannot be vetted, two Muslim Chechens who were given the world here decided to murder Americans because they wanted revenge against Russia, makes sense.... The left wing is slowly becoming the party of death because they are allowing innocent people to be killed with their agenda. I'm saying the religion should be boycotted, and treated like any other criminal organization until major overhauls take place within it's structure.

 
Lefties would protest the Catholic church over a sex abuse scandal but defend a different religion (Islam) that is responsible for mass murder by calling all people who speak against it "Islamophobes". I stopped supporting the Catholic Church because I thought the organization was immoral after this information became well known, so again I have no sympathy for people who cannot stop supporting and defending a religion that condones mass murder.
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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 18, 2016, 07:14:49 pm
Oberyn clearly objects to your statement, but will not enlighten us all by stating what was so wrong with it.

Oberyn is pretty quiet when it comes to question what exactly should be done, yes.

Lefties would protest the Catholic church over a sex abuse scandal but defend a different religion (Islam) that is responsible for mass murder by calling all people who speak against it "Islamophobes".

You're talking about all of them, lefties?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 18, 2016, 08:02:16 pm
It is interesting in what leftist have evolved. They were oppressed workers who wanted more freedom, now that term is attached to liberals (leftist liberal lol, that doesn't make much sense) who are well off in life thanks to their parents. Things were certainly more simple one hundred years ago. Looks like radical muslims have same aspirations, to simplify things like they once were. People who find excuses for actions of terrorists, by creating their psychological profiles, how it is result of bad childhood etc, are the same people who look at red square painting and see something that isn't there. Out of touch with reality. My childhood involved war and violence, yet you don't see me blowing myself up at town squares and other places with bunch of people. Reminds me of excuses fat people make when you confront them and ask why they don't eat less food. It's my metabolism, it's in the genes, I would die of starvation if I ate less. Yeah right :rolleyes:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 18, 2016, 09:28:12 pm
Haha, so hilarious that the Bloody Nine is still butthurt about something completely unrelated. Must be hard to be an emotional mess like you, my sympathies. Also, believing in stupid things you read has nothing to do with reading comprehension, you moron.

It's just every time you point at someones intellectual inabilities my mind reminds me: This is the same guy who called that article scientific. lel


Lefties would protest the Catholic church over a sex abuse scandal but defend a different religion (Islam) that is responsible for mass murder by calling all people who speak against it "Islamophobes". I stopped supporting the Catholic Church because I thought the organization was immoral after this information became well known, so again I have no sympathy for people who cannot stop supporting and defending a religion that condones mass murder.

That's some strange and restricted notion of religion you have there. Religions are no political parties. Also it would be much more important for moderate Islamist to acknowledge that their religion is and was responsible for mass murder. Christians are no saints in this regard as well, but overall the acknowledgement of their atrocities is widespread and compared to Islam on a completely different level. That would help a lot more imo, if Muslims would start to investigate in their own errors.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on July 18, 2016, 09:50:09 pm
Someone thinks their ideology is progressive, can save lives, make their country stronger? Tell me how. The reason the defensive regressive rightists always leap to 'b b b b but you call me a chocolate chip cookie, waaaaaaaa' is because they've yet to come up with a solution that does not include Nazi-like concepts deportation, camps or worse, of a society that exists on the basis of the second class citizen based purely on religious belief. And how are you going to deport the people who were born in your country? And where do you deport them to? Which other country is ever going to agree to that? Who's going to pay for it? What if the people you're trying to deport refuse? What if they dont all wear nametags with 'im a muslim' written on it, y'know, selfishly make your cleanse harder than it sounds at first glance on a retarded videogame forum. And at the end of the day, for all the effort and disruption, and cost, and hatred you'll garner even from well-to-do non-muslims within your country are any of those steps actually going to make you *less* of a terror target? Fat fucking chance.

I dont find anything wrong with banning a religion or culture whose majority still represent primitive ideas, that europeans considered too primitive even 200 years ago. Hugging and embracing people straight out of cannibalistic tribes(for example) does not bring our society forward in any way Heskey. When you gon realise that?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 18, 2016, 10:28:11 pm
It's just every time you point at someones intellectual inabilities my mind reminds me: This is the same guy who called that article scientific. lel

Well, rest assured, your opinion matters greatly to me, fantasy_name_here.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 18, 2016, 10:54:23 pm
No, you fucking mong, the question is obviously WHY Greece would decide to GIVE them the fucking political asylum. Jesus Christ, your IQ can't possibly be higher than 60. I can't even fathom the thought process, or the lack of thought process, that would lead you to the conclusion you came to. It's so stupid my empathy stops working, at around ~90 IQ level I guess.

But at least you proved without the slightest doubt that your reading comprehension is the worst on this forum. Congratulations.
No, you fucking twat, the questions were what you typed.  You talk about reading comprehension and you can't even form a proper question in writing.  You are presupposing that someone should read your mind to divine your meaning.  Sorry I don't read short stories and cartoons.  Organize your thoughts before you type.
You can't even ask the right question numb nuts.  If you want the right answer ask the right question. 

Letting them stay in Greece does not automatically imply political asylum.  They could let them stay long enough to engineer their "escape" to another country.  Rant, the Finnish donkey.

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Moncho on July 18, 2016, 10:59:41 pm
Good to see that the level of discussion keeps to its usual high standards on this forum. At least you people keep raising to the mighty turk's baits...
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 18, 2016, 11:01:59 pm
No, you fucking twat the questions were what you typed.  You talk about reading comprehension and you can't even form a proper question in writing.  You are presupposing that someone should read your mind to divine your meaning.  Sorry I don't read short stories and cartoons.  Organize your thoughts before you type.
You can't even ask the right question numb nuts.  If you want the right answer ask the right question.
The question was aimed to Christo, whose IQ isn't 60, not to you. Or it would have had far more simple language and/or recommendation to ask an adult near you to tell you what it means.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 18, 2016, 11:16:50 pm
The question was aimed to Christo, whose IQ isn't 60, not to you. Or it would have had far more simple language and/or recommendation to ask an adult near you to tell you what it means.

I notice he didn't answer it though Rant.  Perhaps he couldn't decipher it either?

Good to see that the level of discussion keeps to its usual high standards on this forum. At least you people keep raising to the mighty turk's baits...

Sometimes you fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 19, 2016, 12:40:25 am
I notice he didn't answer it though Rant.  Perhaps he couldn't decipher it either?

He did answer it. Do go on demonstrating your lack of intelligence and reading comprehension. You've dug your way to China soon.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 12:55:55 am
You guys will greatly miss Xant in OCUM. You're not aware of it now, but there will come the moment, you being wasted playing 'put dicks in mouth' with Fin, when you'll wish Xant is near so you can play with him too.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 19, 2016, 06:48:11 am
Maybe you could assign one of your mind alts to be like him.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Vibe on July 19, 2016, 09:16:20 am
wow wowo WOW guys can't we just all get along? except muslims ofc, we shoudl burn those
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 11:14:30 am
Oberyn is pretty quiet when it comes to question what exactly should be done, yes.

Oh yeah, so quiet. Maybe I'm just not interest in reiterating my points on immigration reform for the 20th time for the benefit of utter retards who will blank on them when convenient and accuse me of being a fascist racist genocide mongerer who just wants to kill all muslims. Search the forums if it's that important to you, I'm done "discussing" with people like Heskey.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 19, 2016, 12:30:59 pm
Oh yeah, so quiet. Maybe I'm just not interest in reiterating my points on immigration reform for the 20th time for the benefit of utter retards who will blank on them when convenient and accuse me of being a fascist racist genocide mongerer who just wants to kill all muslims. Search the forums if it's that important to you, I'm done "discussing" with people like Heskey.

TBF we battle on this forum for a long time and I dont even remember you proposing a reform, but maybe I'm too young :mrgreen:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 19, 2016, 02:07:00 pm
TBF we battle on this forum for a long time and I dont even remember you proposing a reform, but maybe I'm too young :mrgreen:

He did, like in thread #1 a year or so ago.(I think you actually asked him specifically, and he answered).

benis.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 19, 2016, 02:13:46 pm
He did, like in thread #1 a year or so ago.(I think you actually asked him specifically, and he answered).

I am ashamed if its true!
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 03:37:26 pm
20th July 2016, suddenly a major religion in your country is illegal.

I believe that many Muslims already feel that way, that their religion is illegal in Europe because we don't follow Sharia Law. Don't forget their greatest trick, that we are all Muslims just some of us haven't come to realization with it. Which means we should all follow Sharia, if we don't we are acting against our religion (yikes) and therefore are suitable targets for attacks, to "straighten" us to the norm so to speak. Wouldn't surprise me that many snack-bar supporters actually follow this logic and act upon it.

Jarl Garlic, Swede whose Muslim parents emigrated from Albania, once wrote how his relatives told him about bad treatment of Islam in communist Yugoslavia. My parents lived in mixed society, as a matter of fact my father grew up in village where most residents were Islamic (only few orthodox families, his being one of them). They had every right, only Sharia wasn't state wide law system and thus they claimed to be badly treated by communists. Which is why they protested against them in Afghanistan, at the end replacing secular state with Islam.

You can give them a finger, but they actually want whole body, not even a hand will suffice.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Thomek on July 19, 2016, 04:12:53 pm
As to things that could actually be done, except from curbing immigration to sustainable levels is of course to look to Turkey.

They have state mosques afaik, where the priesthood is somewhat controlled by the state. I mean, in Norway we already have a state church, once undoubtedly established for a similar purpose. I know they are proposing some kind of approval of imams in Denmark atm.

And frankly, I think religion is the root of a whole bunch of problems. Imo why not just insert state control of all religious organizations. Hopefully they will all turn as boring and empty as the Norwegian state church is.

On a much deeper level though, I think we will see more extremism in the world, simply as a function of internet.

Back in the day, if you were a disgruntled young man with a fucked up life, you had to work hard to become radicalised. You'd have to meet an inspiring mentor, or travel to a school in Pakistan to get your head filled with islamist bullshit. That's why it practically never happened. Nowadays you can find all the community, confirmation and explanations online. It's simply much easier to meet like-minded people and join the circle jerk.

Of course, perhaps the 161:1 kill death ratio (1.3mill:4425 solder + ~3600 western civilians) of war on terror has something to do with it too, idk.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 04:23:01 pm
Yes, all the victims of "The War on Terror" are definetely due to imperialistic colonial crusaders, the vast majority were absolutely not victims of mental retarded muslim fanatics ethnically cleansing each other. I'm sure the 2nd and 3rd generation algerians and moroccans that have lived their entire lives in the west slaughtering random people in France were totally just poor victims of "The War on Terror", we should be understanding of their plight, look how insanely discriminated they are, truly the most victimized and opressed people on the entire planet. Suck my dick Thomek.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 04:32:49 pm
Making one religion illegal isn't remotely feasible, it's like listening to Trump say "Deport all illegal immigrants." Would tax the system so much that it would collapse without major changes taking place first. The only thing you have to do (or can do, in the pragmatic sense), is criticize Islam openly and that means reducing how often we throw around terms like "bigot", "racist", or "islamophobe." You don't have to eliminate it, just reserve it for only the most extreme and obvious cases, meaning where people have taken physical action. Otherwise you're making it unsafe to criticize, you're putting a cost or punishment on those that criticize it.

Criticism is the only way to induce an internal reformation within Islam. Something nearly everyone agrees should take place, as it's the only major religion currently to not have undergone some sort of modernizing.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 19, 2016, 04:57:19 pm
Well, rest assured, your opinion matters greatly to me, fantasy_name_here.

Thank you for that Information.

Yes, all the victims of "The War on Terror" are definetely due to imperialistic colonial crusaders, the vast majority were absolutely not victims of mental retarded muslim fanatics ethnically cleansing each other. I'm sure the 2nd and 3rd generation algerians and moroccans that have lived their entire lives in the west slaughtering random people in France were totally just poor victims of "The War on Terror", we should be understanding of their plight, look how insanely discriminated they are, truly the most victimized and opressed people on the entire planet. Suck my dick Thomek.

Don't you think there is some middle-ground between "imperialistic colonial crusaders" being the only true reason and "mental retarded muslim fanatics ethnically cleansing each other"? Also I think it doesn't matter at all who is to blame but how to stop it. Next generation of syrians won't be mentally stable either, that's for sure.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Thomek on July 19, 2016, 05:01:29 pm
Whats with the uncivilised attitude Oberyn?

You, of all, should understand how people become radicalised. You've become a bit of an extremist yourself, even though you have grown up in a safe and peaceful society.

I still think we are way ahead on the K:D ratio though, even if you only count direct civilian deaths by western forces. Have you seen how the muricans wage war? There's no shortage of big ammo. I'm afraid I don't have numbers, but I would guess at least 10:1. A very conservative number, probably much higher.

So let's say we kill 10 innocent muslims for every 1 innocent of "our" guys. It's still pretty fucked up.

The only way to rationalize this is to become comfortable with the idea that some lives are more worth than others. Or that there's a war between west and islam. Suddenly you find yourself with the exact same mindset as Muslim terrorists.

What can be done? Idk. One part of me says, fuckit nukem! Because it's painful to think about. When in doubt however, I'll by far stick to the boring undramatic social democratic, slow way of dealing with things. Close the borders, (done atm.), insert state control of mosques, which is not a ban, take steps to increase integration, and try to create peace in the middle east. (right..)

Anyway Oberyn. What can practically be done? Yeah we understand the anger and the fist waving, but what can be done?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 05:10:44 pm
If, instead, that person is feeling really unique and original they may criticise it and say 'the culture around this religion needs to change, separation of religion and law, the way it's taught in some areas' well no shit Sherlock. Welcome to every non-muslim's opinion ever.
That opinion isn't nearly as widely held as I would hope for. Perhaps things are a bit different in the EU (I have heard otherwise), but in the US we have a lot of influential people that would call you a bigot for implying that their culture is somehow lesser, flawed, or simply "imperfect." Just look at the "Gross and Racist" Bill Maher, Sam Harris, Ben Affleck video and the comments beneath it. Most people who use the phrase "regressive leftist" are referring to people like Ben Affleck who won't even admit that Islam has some improving that it needs to do.

Honestly a lot of what I have been reading the past few days in this section seems to be people talking past each other / misunderstanding people's actual positions. In Oberyn's case, he just seems overly frustrated at people ignoring the obvious(that a reform needs to take place, or that we should at least have a proper conversation about what beliefs should and shouldn't be allowed into our countries henceforth), and has thus taken a more extreme stance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when you're on a forum with so many L2 english speakers.

The only way to rationalize this is to become comfortable with the idea that some lives are more worth than others. Or that there's a war between west and islam. Suddenly you find yourself with the exact same mindset as Muslim terrorists.
It only makes you the same if you fail understand that not all cultures are equally capable of maximizing human wellbeing. What would make you the same, would be which specific actions you did afterwards.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 05:13:30 pm
Nope, you're completely right, I just can't give a single flying fuck about what these regressive retards "think" anymore, and that's being generous with the word. Any attempt at discussion begins or ends with "U R RACIST OMG" or some attempt at equating you to a fascist neo-chocolate chip cookie. Zero interest in their uninformed, moronic views.
If polish immigrants started commiting mass terrorist attacks because they're discriminated against, I seriously doubt Thomek would be making excuses for them, like the "moderate" muslims and regressives endlessly trying to find "explanations" for muslim terrorism.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Thomek on July 19, 2016, 05:17:40 pm
@Oberyn
I'm not making fucking excuses for them. Understanding is not something that strictly belongs to socialist cucks. It's called critical thinking, something that is one of the absolute pillars of western civilization.

Also, please divulge your ideas on what can be done. (for the 3rd time in this thread.)

@Tydeus, americans in general are a bit disconnected from the rest of the world. No doubt because of the physical barrier.

Look at how _bad advisors_ etc informed on the war in Iraq.. I really can't contribute purely evil intent to the US, but a lot of ignorance of how the world works there is for sure. The US are literally hated in many, many parts of the world. I'm a fanboy with some/plenty reservations however. :D

So many horrible governments and dictatorships thrive on the US hate.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 05:22:37 pm
Tydeus, americans in general are a bit disconnected from the rest of the world. No doubt because of the physical barrier.

Look at how _bad advisors_ etc informed on the war in Iraq.. I really can't contribute purely evil intent to the US, but a lot of ignorance of how the world works there is for sure. The US are literally hated in many, many parts of the world. I'm a fanboy with some/plenty reservations however. :D

So many horrible governments and dictatorships thrive on the US hate.
No doubt. It's rather deserving in most cases. I hate the same things about this country that everyone else does. 9 times out of 10 when Paul says "ban NA" it's for a very good reason and I find myself incapable of disagreeing.  :lol:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 05:34:28 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36837108

"Man knifes mother and three daughters at French holiday park"

"Local prosecutor Raphael Balland said the motive was still "very vague"."

"According to authorities, the suspect in custody was of Moroccan origin and had been staying on the site with his own family next door to the victims.
Although he had been in trouble with police many years ago, reports said there was no indication of a religious link to the case.
Unconfirmed reports suggested he had objected to the light clothing worn by his victims but Mr Balland said "it's all rumour, the man's not said anything"."

Another poor victim of the War on Terror. His motive is, of course, a complete mystery. We might never really know what reason this man had for stabbing a woman and her children in a park, oh well.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 06:01:02 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36837108

"Man knifes mother and three daughters at French holiday park"

"Local prosecutor Raphael Balland said the motive was still "very vague"."

"According to authorities, the suspect in custody was of Moroccan origin and had been staying on the site with his own family next door to the victims.
Although he had been in trouble with police many years ago, reports said there was no indication of a religious link to the case.
Unconfirmed reports suggested he had objected to the light clothing worn by his victims but Mr Balland said "it's all rumour, the man's not said anything"."

Another poor victim of the War on Terror. His motive is, of course, a complete mystery. We might never really know what reason this man had for stabbing a woman and her children in a park, oh well.
Doesn't seem like the best example. A better example would be the reaction to the Charlie Hebdo incident and the following Je suis Charlie slogan. Lots of criticism stating how the murders were of no surprise because they were criticizing Islam, so "what did you think would happen?" Again, if it's not safe to criticize religion(specifically Islam because it's behind in this area), it's going to take significantly longer than we should deem as "affordable" for the proper reformations to take place.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Thomek on July 19, 2016, 06:07:55 pm
Are you saying war on terror is not to blame at all?

Before war on terror: Very little muslim terrorism in the west.
After war on terror: Plenty of muslim terrorism in the west.

I'm not excusing the religion, just saying that this is a major part of their thinking. Before they were usually happy left alone in their shithole countries.

Put it like this Oberyn, if the middle east instigated revolts in EU and bombed Paris and generally murdered the poor goatfarmers of europe, would you stay a peace oriented cuck? At the same time muslim culture was super popular all over the world, displacing your own?

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 06:54:28 pm
Are you saying war on terror is not to blame at all?
That would be obtuse.

I actually care very little though about where acts of terror occur, except in noticing that 90% of them occur in muslim dominant areas(Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Nigeria). When so much of the terror occurs in Islamic countries, it makes very little sense to say "stop the war on terror and this goes away." My mindset is 90% focused on pragmatism. I'm completely open to the idea that at one point or another the war on terror was likely the main cause of terrorism (at least in the west.) What I try to do is look at it from the perspective of what an unbiased observer would see (so an alien, essentially), and focus on what we can do to reduce acts of terror considering the situation we currently find ourselves in.

Where is terror occurring? When each incident occurs, what is the motive? Who are most likely to be the targets? Which motives for each individual act, are most common? When you do this, you find horrible things occurring, things that have almost nothing to do with western cultures(except insofar as they're "different" or not adherents of sharia law) or are outright outlawed. See FGM, general treatment of women/homosexuals, etc.

From a pragmatic standpoint, it just doesn't help at all to say "the war on terror is to blame for our current predicament." (Unless your only focus is terror in the west, in which case I can only say: shame on you.) So this just gets omitted, the same way this side of the argument doesn't, or should have to preface every statement with "not all muslims." It's obviously implied to anyone not looking for a reason to be angry/giving people the benefit of the doubt, and serves no pragmatic purpose.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 07:25:11 pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-hotel-idUSKCN0ZZ1Q5

"Armed man holed up in hotel in southern France

"A deranged man is holed up in the Formule 1 hotel," the spokeswoman told Reuters, referring to a cheap motel chain.

The man's motives were not immediately known and police were at the scene, about 130 kilometers (81 miles) north of Marseille, she added.

The hotel near the A7 motorway was evacuated and the man was thought to be armed with a knife and may have an explosive device, a local gendarme officer said separately.

"The man is thought to have had a row with the manager," a local officer added. "We are waiting for negotiators."

The hotel has been cordoned off and the Marseille bomb squad was on its way, he said."

Probably just another random case, let's not rush to judgement. If it does end up the man is a muslim, we can start speculating on exactly what caused it, the imperialist colonialism of the West, the discrimination towards poor opressed muslims, the wealth and power disparities imposed by our racist and intolerant culture, etc.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 19, 2016, 07:28:01 pm
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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 07:50:45 pm
I was only half-kidding about not rushing to judgement, but the "possible explosive device" part is what really sealed the deal for me. If these sorts of events start happening close enough together it might even overcome the goldfish like memory of regressives when it comes to islamic violence and terrorism, but that's optimistic.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 07:53:58 pm
Could be vanity, not just cuckism. Imagine yourself being big shot police inspector, solving difficult cases and making psycho profiles of killers. Tracking them, doing detective work. All of us a sudden, them interesting killers are replaced by ordinary people listening to word of preachers to kill infidels. That simple. No special motives, no violent background, no childhood abuse, nothing juicy or interesting to show off your investigator skills. Only thing left for you is to get in front of camera and say, it is another pawn of Islamic State. They can put anyone in front of camera to do the exact same thing. Sucks, doesn't it. Therefore you will lie to yourself and claim it is something more complicated, when really it ain't. Partly because your feelings are hurt, also to save your ass in future in case global austerity measures hit your precinct.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 19, 2016, 07:56:55 pm
http://www.europe1.fr/faits-divers/un-chauffeur-de-vtc-radicalise-en-garde-a-vue-2802598

"Radicalized" taxi driver arrested, typical Daesh propaganda on his cellphone, explosives found at his home. Another victim of atrocious Western imperialism, when will it end? I extend my sympathies to all muslims who are the real victims of such scum pretending to act in their name.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 19, 2016, 08:04:56 pm
Besides actual embittered family members of victims from the recent invasions, Western colonialism and the Iraq War and the support for Israel etc. are used as some of the lies and half-truths Islamist recruiters use in their propaganda to lure young idiots into their ranks. But let us not be unmindful that most of the Jihadi organizations are perfectly open about fighting not against some grave injustice but for global Islamic revolution, a great caliphate or even judgement day, and that there is Islamic terrorism not only against Christians and Jews but against Buddhists, Hindus and Sikh in South Asia, in countries such as Thailand, India, Indonesia and the Phillipenes. Everywhere on Islam's borders, basically, including internal.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 19, 2016, 08:10:09 pm
Let's not forget things like World Trade Center bombing and 9/11, the shit about "War on Terror" being the cause of terrorism is just that, shit. Does Islam get a few more radical recruits because of War on Terror? Sure. Is that any reason to just take it sitting down and paint #pray4yurop&US with crayons on the ground after attacks, so as not to anger the Muslims further? Obviously not.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on July 19, 2016, 08:18:57 pm
Well that's incredibly vague and unrealistic.

Treat an entire religion that exists within your country already as a criminal organisation?

But heaven forbid I accuse you of wanting to deport them lol. So, how EXACTLY is that going to work? Because people will still worship it, and openly, so you arrest every single practicing muslim in your country. I'm the one being unrealistic? Lol

Ban it. So simple! Wow.

Again,
How. Exactly. Is. That. Going. To. Work

20th July 2016, suddenly a major religion in your country is illegal. Everyone worshipping that religion is suddenly breaking the law. Think that through.
Trials will need to happen, prison space needs to be arranged, riots and protests from those Islamic or otherwise who think this is a retarded idea need to be shut down. Not everyone will go quietly, people will defend themselves or defend their neighbours. Newspapers will have a field day about how progressive everyone is being with open conflict in every major city, dead police and dead suspects of worshipping a forbidden religion who didn't manage to survive the arrest.

And this is assuming 100% of law enforcement support the idea, and what of evil muslim policemen who need to be detained first and foremost, can you guarantee you've caught them all?
What of the people who don't want to be found, at least some % of the religion will go underground.

And whilst all this is happening, you think the number of attacks will stop or go down? The existing radicals will flock to you, the existing moderates will have to fight or swallow a massive breach of one of our fundamental freedoms and renounce their religion or go to jail. Non-muslims who have a major issue with such a backwards law being put in place and the serious breach of values held dear by their culture/society/country will have a thing or 2 to say about it too.

Ofcourse the number of attacks wont go. I never claimed it would. Nothing I claim has anything to do with terrorist attacks. Because they are completely random and there isnt much we can do besides be more vigilant. And by 'ban' I ment discourage practice. Im no psychopath, throwing people into jail for religious beliefs is too hotblooded even for me. Insult their god in the worst ways possible. See if they can take it. Anyone that legimately goes on a violent rage and wants to start stabbing people, because his religion or culture was insulted isn't worthy to be on Western soil in my book. Doesnt matter if christian, atheist, muslim, white or black. But quite often than not, its muslims that lose their shit the easiest and most often.

Because Western tolerance and freedom means that I can shit over everything you believe in, you can shit over everything I believe in, we both shut the fuck up eventually and we go back to work. Thats tolerance in a modern society. Nobody gets a pass. Currently muslims get a pass because nonmuslims are legimately scared of getting brutally murdered. And its not that much of a unreasonable fear either. Thats not freedom Heskey.

Some danish guy for example did some caricatures like 10 years ago, insulting Mohammed and the local islamists there still spit on the hands of the people that gave them asylum etc. Not only that half the middle east lost their shit. Tolerant religion of peace my ass. Cant even tolerate comics....
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 08:24:14 pm
https://www.rt.com/news/352066-france-stab-woman-daughters/

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 19, 2016, 08:37:05 pm
I really dont understand these cases of "fast radicalisation". 50% of me tells me that Daesh could over-claim some attacks, 50% of me ask how can a normal guy switch from moderate islam to "wahhabist" islam (or whatever, sorry Overdriven but I dont fully believe your theory^^).
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 19, 2016, 08:53:13 pm
You can't be seriously denying that the War on terror, as in Iraq Invasion and follow up missions, is a serious factor that contributed to the current situation. Same as Gulf Wars, Pahlavi, sykes pikot, creation of Israels, etc. It all matters.
Many people who currently say: "Stay the fuck away from those countries, we only will make matters worse like in the past, peace is the only solution" have a similar longing for a simple solution like those of you that are suggesting things like banning all muslim, nuking them, etc. It just isn't as simple as that, either way.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 19, 2016, 08:56:19 pm
Some danish guy for example did some caricatures like 10 years ago, insulting Mohammed and the local islamists there still spit on the hands of the people that gave them asylum etc. Not only that half the middle east lost their shit. Tolerant religion of peace my ass. Cant even tolerate comics....
The cartoonist was named Kurt Vestergaard, he has received numerous death threats and two attempts on his life. Once in his house with his five-year-old granddaughter a 28-year-old Somali tried to kill him with an axe. Same story in other countries, many artists are now under full police protection or have had to go into hiding. Early Islamist attempts to combat European free expression was the global Fatwah against Salman Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses. And Theo van Gogh in Holland, who was killed for criticising the treatment of women in Islam by Mohammed Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan citizen, who then tried to decapitate his corpse on the open street (reminiscent of Lee Rigby the British soldier who was hacked to death by two Africans on the streets of southeast London). Or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the female activist working for a reformation of Islam who've had to flee Holland, or Geert Wilders who can only do his political work under serious police protection. And these are not isolated cases.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 08:56:24 pm
I really dont understand these cases of "fast radicalisation". 50% of me tells me that Daesh could over-claim some attacks, 50% of me ask how can a normal guy switch from moderate islam to "wahhabist" islam (or whatever, sorry Overdriven but I dont fully believe your theory^^).

Western left wing ideology instigates them, it solidifies their belief that what they are doing are right from two angles, one from the left-wing western hating parties, the other from Islam. Some German politicians posted on twitter that they were angry that the police had shot the axe wielding T, saying it was excessive force.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 19, 2016, 09:04:54 pm
Western left wing ideology instigates them, it solidifies their belief that what they are doing are right from two angles, one from the left-wing western hating parties, the other from Islam. Some German politicians posted on twitter that they were angry that the police had shot the axe wielding T, saying it was excessive force.

Stupid Künast, that twitter was so fucking stupid only hours after the incident before anything knew anything is widely condemned by everyone. She played right-wings and nationalist right in the cards with that comment.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 09:11:52 pm
You can't be seriously denying that the War on terror, as in Iraq Invasion and follow up missions, is a serious factor that contributed to the current situation. Same as Gulf Wars, Pahlavi, sykes pikot, creation of Israels, etc. It all matters.
Many people who currently say: "Stay the fuck away from those countries, we only will make matters worse like in the past, peace is the only solution" have a similar longing for a simple solution like those of you that are suggesting things like banning all muslim, nuking them, etc. It just isn't as simple as that, either way.
Who are you referring to when you say "you" here? No one since your last post fully qualifies to be the subject of this quoted text based upon the content of any of the recent posts.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 09:12:08 pm
Stupid Künast, that twitter was so fucking stupid only hours after the incident before anything knew anything is widely condemned by everyone. She played right-wings and nationalist right in the cards with that comment.


Yea I don't know what she was thinking, especially after finding stuff like this https://pamelageller.com/2016/06/war-grade-arsenal-of-weapons-confiscated-at-mosque-in-germany.html/   I'm sure if she had her way the police would be disarmed too.

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 09:19:42 pm
You can't be seriously denying that the War on terror, as in Iraq Invasion and follow up missions, is a serious factor that contributed to the current situation. Same as Gulf Wars, Pahlavi, sykes pikot, creation of Israels, etc. It all matters.
Many people who currently say: "Stay the fuck away from those countries, we only will make matters worse like in the past, peace is the only solution" have a similar longing for a simple solution like those of you that are suggesting things like banning all muslim, nuking them, etc. It just isn't as simple as that, either way.

They are not the only ones who were oppressed by west.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 09:31:14 pm
They are not the only ones who were oppressed by west.

They oppress themselves with their stone age religion. These countries can't do anything without religion mixed into politics, even the Shia in Iraq who are fighting ISIS are basically mobs of Islamic Zealots who think they are doing gods work.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-usa-idUSKCN0ZX0XL

If you ever wondered why the Iraqi Army has a hard time defeating ISIS even though Western nations have invested billions of dollars into them look no further. They have these mobs of Islamist zealots following them around who don't think the Iraqi Army is religious enough for them, they want to fight for allah instead. These monkeys will stop fighting in the middle of combat to start praying.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 19, 2016, 09:42:33 pm
Who are you referring to when you say "you" here? No one since your last post fully qualifies to be the subject of this quoted text based upon the content of any of the recent posts.

mh? Not sure if i understand you correctly. The quoted text was just direct speech out of my head to describe an opinion nobody here really represents.  I used "you" only in context with people demanding a ban on Islam or similar. idk if after my last post but there were several people in this thread suggesting something along the line, not?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 10:12:05 pm
idk if after my last post but there were several people in this thread suggesting something along the line, not?
Along the line? I just skimmed through all the previous pages to make sure, and maybe I missed one post, but no, not really. There were several calls to limit or stop further immigration, not to kick them out. I actually saw multiple instances of people explicitly saying they were not talking about retroactively kicking immigrants/muslims out.

Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas.

I never mentioned deporting all Muslims but I sure as shit wouldn't want more coming knowing the facts that more Islam = more terrorism, it's just a fact and you are in denial if you think otherwise.

Also look at who is +'ing which posts, specifically Angantyr's post in this case.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 10:35:02 pm
Also look at who is +'ing which posts, specifically Angantyr's post in this case.

They even refuse to deport ISIS fighters who return to Europe. They should be deporting troublemakers, there should be a zero tolerance policy especially when you look at what's at stake. I don't believe all Muslims are bad, but when there's no way to tell who's going to go on a killing spree I don't think it's fair to let any in for the time being. Instead of changing a broken system they will just do nothing, at least Agryntyr 's ideas are a step in the right direction.

I'd not only agree with Trump that a temporary ban on Muslims immigrating to the US is a good idea until the current system is revamped, the only way to do this the PC way would be to just ban all Europeans, I don't want any Germans with a nice tan exploding in a neighborhood here anyway, and maybe this would pressure Europe into not going full retard in their ideology at the same time.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 19, 2016, 10:58:02 pm
You should vote Shillary. Trump is just populist talk to get into presidential seat. Doubt he'll do any of things he says he'll do. Businessman first, that is old Donald.

Shillary, she's the evil one. Would gladly nuke the whole country if necessary. It is hilarious that liberal left look at her like savior of mankind. Well it will help them with their issues, by doing the dirty work while they protest and draw heart breaking pictures on building walls.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 11:02:52 pm
You should vote Shillary. Trump is just populist talk to get into presidential seat. Doubt he'll do any of things he says he'll do. Businessman first, that is old Donald.

Shillary, she's the evil one. Would gladly nuke the whole country if necessary. It is hilarious that liberal left look at her like savior of mankind. Well it will help them with their issues, by doing the dirty work while they protest and draw heart breaking pictures on building walls.

Trump wants the US to disband NATO and improve relations will Russia, seems like a good idea to me even though there are alot of right wing politicians here who will cry endlessly about it. Europeans are becoming a liability, they are far too gone and their far left trash ideology is spreading over here. I used to think Putin was evil cus media is biased here, especially CNN who hopefully we will find out in the wiki leaks aided Islamists in Turkey stage a fake coup with Erdotard. There's 35 million illegals living  in the US, we obviously need a wall too. There's more people living in the United States illegally then there are people living in all of Scandinavia and these liberals don't think it's a problem.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 19, 2016, 11:13:23 pm
You should vote Shillary. Trump is just populist talk to get into presidential seat. Doubt he'll do any of things he says he'll do. Businessman first, that is old Donald.

Shillary, she's the evil one. Would gladly nuke the whole country if necessary. It is hilarious that liberal left look at her like savior of mankind. Well it will help them with their issues, by doing the dirty work while they protest and draw heart breaking pictures on building walls.
It's just a disgrace that those are our fucking options. Going back to what Thomek was saying about the rest of the world hating the US.

No fucking wonder.

Trump wants the US to disband NATO and improve relations will Russia, seems like a good idea to me. Europeans are becoming a liability, they are far too gone and their far left trash ideology is spreading over here. I used to think Putin was evil cus media is biased here, especially CNN who hopefully we will find out in the wiki leaks aided Islamists in Turkey stage a fake coup with Erdotard.
Does he though? Do we actually know what trump wants to really do? He changes his mind hourly. Says anything to get media attention, which they gladly do. Instead, he has called for multiple plans that would either be catastrophic if introduced, or could only be done by cutting serious funding in things we really need (education, transportation, health care, NASA, public safety, etc).

It's so hard to actually know what he would really be like. The only thing he has shown is a lack of knowledge, which isn't something you want in a president. Shillary is at least knowledgeable, unfortunately she's been rather lacking on the general topic of this thread.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 19, 2016, 11:16:07 pm
It's just a disgrace that those are our fucking options. Going back to what Thomek was saying about the rest of the world hating the US.

No fucking wonder.
Does he though? Do we actually know what trump wants to really do? He changes his mind hourly. Says anything to get media attention, which they gladly do. Instead, he has called for multiple plans that would either be catastrophic if introduced, or could only be done by cutting serious funding in things we really need (education, transportation, health care, NASA, public safety, etc).

It's so hard to actually know what we would really be like. The only thing he has shown is a lack of knowledge, which isn't something you want in a president. Shillary is at least knowledgeable, unfortunately she's been rather lacking on the general topic of this thread.

The debates and everything leading up to the elections are all just for show, they both will say whatever they want to get elected. However I believe Trump when he says he wants improved relations and closer ties with Russia, it's the only logical way to put an end to alot of problems going on.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 20, 2016, 12:06:16 am
Grytvitken, you're scientologist for fuck's sake, your opinion ain't worth shit.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 02:09:02 am
Grytvitken, you're scientologist for fuck's sake, your opinion ain't worth shit.

Tom Cruise for president!

Going back to what Thomek was saying about the rest of the world hating the US.

No fucking wonder.

When I was ten years younger and part of a different gaming community, one 15 year (American) kid asked the question. Why world hates United States?

Thing is, world don't hate United States. It is worse than that. Full blown hatred on United States would imply jealousy. Most Americans I had pleasure to chat with have pretty much same opinion, how outsiders are jealous of American success and hate America because of it.

Rest of the world don't think that America is the best country in the world and generally dislike it because USA tend to have their fingers in things that shouldn't concern them. No one likes police, not even Americans. Naturally, rest of the world don't like world policeman aka USA.

Best thing about USA, for me personally, are prices of tech. Rest, I can live without it.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 20, 2016, 02:46:45 am
Tom Cruise for president!

When I was ten years younger and part of a different gaming community, one 15 year (American) kid asked the question. Why world hates United States?

Thing is, world don't hate United States. It is worse than that. Full blown hatred on United States would imply jealousy. Most Americans I had pleasure to chat with have pretty much same opinion, how outsiders are jealous of American success and hate America because of it.

Rest of the world don't think that America is the best country in the world and generally dislike it because USA tend to have their fingers in things that shouldn't concern them. No one likes police, not even Americans. Naturally, rest of the world don't like world policeman aka USA.

Best thing about USA, for me personally, are prices of tech. Rest, I can live without it.

Funny enough, the US is the generally voted as the "I want to live there most" country. Someone posted the stats on the forums, and I can't be assed to review it(So, we could just ignore this.)

It's so Isolated here from the problems of Europe, Africa, Asia. Since so much of NA and SA is based on the same general culture of Christian/Western Europe, there's far less instability from severe culture clash.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Thomek on July 20, 2016, 03:00:39 am
Best thing about USA, for me personally, are prices of tech. Rest, I can live without it.

No you can't. Name me your 10 top favorite bands honestly. Top 10 movies. Top 10 Tv shows. Top 10 games.

Don't name them, just think about it and where they come from. Why can't for example france and germany compete culturally? Who do most of their movies suck? Any good german bands recently? Name me 10? Or maybe some chinese literature?

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The US is by far the leader in the world culturally, economically, militarily. Something in their society makes people create good shit that the rest of the world wants. Not having been there myself, I'm extremely interested in what it is exactly, since others report it as the land of the fat people, white trash, corruption, gang crime, racism and the stupid. There's more to it than that. I'm 100% theres something positive too, something that makes at least some people perform better than they do in the rest of the world.

This is such a gigantic euro hypocrisy. We bash them while watching their TV shows, listen to their music and watch their porn, on computers and devices designed by them.  :rolleyes:

Idk, I understand the US bashing, it's the easiest way to explain stuff and keep your head sorted. The olde european arrogance is always a fallback position that I used to subscribe to as well, we are after all born with it! :D Anyway, now, I try to see it as best as I can from a distance. I try to accept there are many paradoxes about it, that it's yuuge and complex. Good things, bad things, mad things.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 20, 2016, 03:16:44 am
As social organization goes beyond the level of the hunter-gatherer band—to the tribe, the city-state, the nation-state—religious organization on an ever larger scale is feasible. So sages take the opportunity to expand their power—which means preaching a commensurately broad tolerance. Thus, appeals for brotherly love are comparable to a politician’s self-serving appeals to patriotism. In fact, appeals to patriotism are, in a way, appeals for brotherly love on a national scale.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 03:18:31 am
No you can't. Name me your 10 top favorite bands honestly. Top 10 movies. Top 10 Tv shows. Top 10 games.

I don't need to live in America to enjoy their entertainment lol

Edit: But while you're at it. There are some American stuff in my top ten lists but it ain't overwhelmingly dominant, as someone would expect. Music is almost exclusively of British origin (greatest rocks bands are from UK). Games, something that should be extremely strong point for USA, are mix of American, Japanese and European games. Movies, well Hollywood dominates in there because I'm not much of a film aficionado to watch European and Oriental cinematography. TV shows, a lot of stuff from UK actually.

Edit: American porn industry is dead. Has been replaced by euro cam sluts from poor countries like Romania, Moldavia, Ukraine etc. There are American sluts who takes huge chunks of profit because they can speak the language. But they are like Apple, minor share generating most profits.

Edit2: Also, being from Norway doesn't exactly give you much of standing ground criticizing European hypocrisy. Hell, my country is shit but has been part of Europe for centuries (even under Turks yo) unlike that frozen tundra you've been born into. That's like Russians claiming they are from Europe. No you ain't.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 20, 2016, 04:29:22 am
Tom Cruise for president!
I'm voting for the Vermin Supreme, I want a free pony

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 12:57:44 pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-nice-tourism-analysis-idUSKCN0ZX0LS?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

The one thing that might make our "leaders" give a shit, a possible downturn in the massive tourism industry that France has relied on for decades. A few hundred of "their" people slaughtered here and there is nothing to them, but the billions of euros in lost revenue might maybe, just maybe, make them act. The article is very optimistic but the more this keeps happening (and make no mistake, it will keep happening) the more people will start to avoid the country. Although this has been an ongoing problem since the muslim scum first started murdering people by the dozens, and even before that tourists getting beaten and robbed by poor "opressed" ghetto rats wasn't giving the country any good PR, although it could still be hidden and ignored as a small issue. They didn't do anything about it back then, probably won't do anything about it now. 

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/04/28/474983311/terrorism-fears-and-travel-bans-shake-tourism-in-turkey

Turkey is of course in the same situation, much worse even, especially since the failed coup, and those involved in the industry will lose a lot of money and possibly their entire livelyhoods in some cases, but Erdogan and his government couldn't give less of a shit. They're not 100% beholden to corporate globalist technocrats as the western "leaders" are.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2016, 01:23:00 pm
I don't need to live in America to enjoy their entertainment lol

Edit: But while you're at it. There are some American stuff in my top ten lists but it ain't overwhelmingly dominant, as someone would expect. Music is almost exclusively of British origin (greatest rocks bands are from UK). Games, something that should be extremely strong point for USA, are mix of American, Japanese and European games. Movies, well Hollywood dominates in there because I'm not much of a film aficionado to watch European and Oriental cinematography. TV shows, a lot of stuff from UK actually.

Yeah music is largely the British thing. The biggest bands and solo artist tend to be from here for some reason. Not sure why that is either. London is also still considered the financial capital of the World.

The 2 things the US seems to do well are tech companies and Hollywood. Other than that there's not much that outweighs the sheer amount of crap that is wrong with it as a place in my opinion.

US made games tend to be on the bottom of my list now. There's  a lot of European studios, albeit smaller studios, and those from further afield that make much better products. Largely because they don't have the problem of the big publishers that studios seem to flock to in the US.

As for TV shows, I don't tend to watch too many bar the obvious like GoT and House of Cards. The comedies are horrendous, canned laughter and immature fart jokes for the most part.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 01:59:31 pm
Muslim convert saying of the US that there is a "sheer amount of crap that is wrong with it as a place", lol. I don't even need to say anything else, that statement is hilarious enough on it's own.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2016, 02:12:11 pm
Typical Oberyn. Making a point out of something totally irrelevant.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 20, 2016, 02:17:24 pm
It's so Isolated here from the problems of Europe, Africa, Asia. Since so much of NA and SA is based on the same general culture of Christian/Western Europe, there's far less instability from severe culture clash.
Though parts of Europe has more Muslims and there's increasing tension these days the US is more multi-cultural than Europe and has to deal with ethnic friction and identity politics to a larger degree. Soon white Americans will be a minority in their own country. Don't judge it by the apocalyptic atmosphere you sometimes get from Europeans on this forum or from media, if you look at the actual numbers Europeans have had very homogenous societies and are not used to the intense immigration that is a part of for example America's history. Though of course Europe was already multi-ethnic European by itself before ME and African overpopulation led to the current migration waves. But yes, the US is otherwise geographically isolated so Europe has to bear the brunt of current third world migration, and the US also don't have the kind of welfare society many of these people come to Germany and Sweden for.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 02:23:01 pm
Convert to the most fucked up religion on the planet, whose countries are uniformly backwards fucking theocracies that produce NOTHING of worth except the extraction of natural resources that just happen to lie within their geographic borders, looking down on the US and calling it a place with a "sheer ammount of crap" wrong with it. If there was a hypothetical choice to make a group of people just vanish from the planet, the 300 or so million people in the US or the 1.3 billion muslims, I know which I'd pick. It's not even a choice, really. I'd settle for the scumfuckers to stay in their shitholes personally, instead of infecting places lightyears ahead of them in every single way.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 20, 2016, 02:26:51 pm
The US is way more multi-cultural than Europe and suffer from ethnic friction and identity politics to a much larger degree.

When you consider the full history of the USA, they have been doing fucking great. They have been multicultural since they were created.
Except for the femichocolate chip cookies, the BLM movement and mexican drug immigration, the US shows us that its possible to build a powerful and solid nation full of different people; but to maintain that is hard.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 02:40:35 pm
So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim.

Yes.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 20, 2016, 02:41:05 pm
When you consider the full history of the USA, they have been doing fucking great. They have been multicultural since they were created.
Except for the femichocolate chip cookies, the BLM movement and mexican drug immigration, the US shows us that its possible to build a powerful and solid nation full of different people; but to maintain that is hard.
Well, it really hasn't. The primary culture it is built on, which has built everything from infrastructure to its institutions, is European culture. But sure, they had to live with all their imported slaves not in colonies like we did but actually in their own backyards, and the history of the trouble that has brought is long and bloody and still ongoing. The country is very large though so people can clump up in ethnic regions, that's is basically the extent of diversity outside certain areas in the major cities. Take a look at the maps here, how black and white communities still live apart to a very high degree (same can be seen in interracial marriages btw.) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35255835

I'm also not surprised, nor has anyone been since its founding, that America would take a leading role in industry, considering its vast size, immense ressources and near unheard of defensible natural borders.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 02:55:33 pm
Angantyr, do you also think Overdriven is trash because he is a Muslim?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 02:57:34 pm
Sorry, I'm not a muslim, I don't slaughter people. Hard to understand I know. It would fulfill the retarded false equivalency that idiots like you preach, the mythical "backlash" against poor innocent muslims that somehow never seems to materialize but is such a gigantic concern. You'd love that wouldn't you, being finally right when you say "But but it's a HUMAN problem, every culture and people do exactly the same!", as opposed to it being a moronic regressive fantasy. I'd settle for some sort of rational, discriminatory immigration policy. Close the borders to further muslim immigration, end of story. Or is that too "racist" for you? Would it provoke the poor innocent "moderates" into turning into radicals? 
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 20, 2016, 02:58:37 pm
Along the line? I just skimmed through all the previous pages to make sure, and maybe I missed one post, but no, not really. There were several calls to limit or stop further immigration, not to kick them out. I actually saw multiple instances of people explicitly saying they were not talking about retroactively kicking immigrants/muslims out.

Also look at who is +'ing which posts, specifically Angantyr's post in this case.

Yes.

I also meant people who think people are shit because they are muslim, very much simplifying too.

Does he though? Do we actually know what trump wants to really do? He changes his mind hourly. Says anything to get media attention, which they gladly do. Instead, he has called for multiple plans that would either be catastrophic if introduced, or could only be done by cutting serious funding in things we really need (education, transportation, health care, NASA, public safety, etc).

It's so hard to actually know what he would really be like. The only thing he has shown is a lack of knowledge, which isn't something you want in a president. Shillary is at least knowledgeable, unfortunately she's been rather lacking on the general topic of this thread.

Fitting article with and about the author of "the art of the deal". He argues it's more a lack of any attention-span at all. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all


I'd settle for some sort of rational, discriminatory immigration policy. Close the borders to further muslim immigration, end of story.

How exactly do you imagine to determine if immigrants are muslim? I really want to know, no attack on you.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 02:59:40 pm
Angantyr, do you also think Overdriven is trash because he is a Muslim?

He's worse than a muslim. He's a muslim convert. So tired of fucking regressives defending this shit religion. Please talk to some "apostates" or ex-muslims, the few who have been courageous enough to leave their religion in the face of both regressive apologia and muslim "moderates". Hard to do since they are shoved underground and vilified by the very same people who should be championing them, but that's regressives for you. The important thing is to virtue signal how fucking tolerant you are.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 20, 2016, 03:03:19 pm
Angantyr, do you also think Overdriven is trash because he is a Muslim?
No. I've had Muslim friends and many of my co-workers and students have been Muslim. Would I think he would be better off without Islam or any religion? Yes. But otherwise I think he seems like a decent guy from what little I know of him from these forums.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 03:07:06 pm
I don't think he's trash but find his choice a bit silly to be honest. It is like running through woods wearing wolf costume right after pack of actual wolves ate half of village sheep and hunters entered the forest to eliminate them. Making himself a target for no good reason.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 03:13:43 pm
I believe there's still quite a lot of choices before it comes to that, unlike a lot of "moderate" muslims. It comes from having a society that isn't a violent theocratic or authoritatian shithole (yet).
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 20, 2016, 03:16:15 pm
My impression was that he chose it, at least partly, out of love for a woman. Men do crazy things for love sometimes. Most important for me is how fundamentalist someone is, that's where it really gets dangerous, when you honestly believe some Medieval text is the actual revelation of some deity and that it shouldn't be interpreted.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Vibe on July 20, 2016, 03:20:19 pm
My impression was that he chose it, at least partly, out of love for a woman.

but maybe it was out of love for self exploding
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 20, 2016, 03:20:28 pm
Yup, and he left his christian (anglican?) religion to do it. Strangely enough he doesn't have to flee the country or hide in fear for his life or receive endless, very credible death threats or be deemed a "supressive" person and cut off by every other christian he has ever known, including his family. What do you think would happen if he suddenly divorced and left his newfound religion? Hmmm I wonder. But regressives have deemed muslims a protected, opressed class composed entirely of PoC, and in the progressive stack logic that makes them untouchable, so the apostates are left to fend on their own, if not outright ignored and vilified, for the benefit of the real protected class. The hypocrisy when it comes to the regressive criticism of "native" christianity goes without saying.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2016, 03:22:31 pm
Convert to the most fucked up religion on the planet, whose countries are uniformly backwards fucking theocracies that produce NOTHING of worth except the extraction of natural resources that just happen to lie within their geographic borders, looking down on the US and calling it a place with a "sheer ammount of crap" wrong with it. If there was a hypothetical choice to make a group of people just vanish from the planet, the 300 or so million people in the US or the 1.3 billion muslims, I know which I'd pick. It's not even a choice, really. I'd settle for the scumfuckers to stay in their shitholes personally, instead of infecting places lightyears ahead of them in every single way.

Did I say I didn't think Muslim countries had problems? No.

Like I said. Irrelevant point. Good job Oberyn as always.

Just going full retard as usual.

Yup, and he left his christian (anglican?) religion to do it. Strangely enough he doesn't have to flee the country or hide in fear for his life or receive endless, very credible death threats or be deemed a "supressive" person and cut off by every other christian he has ever known, including his family. What do you think would happen if he suddenly divorced and left his newfound religion? Hmmm I wonder. But regressives have deemed muslims a protected, opressed class composed entirely of PoC, and in the progressive stack logic that makes them untouchable, so the apostates are left to fend on their own, if not outright ignored and vilified, for the benefit of the real protected class. The hypocrisy when it comes to the regressive criticism of "native" christianity goes without saying.

Ah yes you know everything about me. As far as I'm concerned your attitude and opinions are far more 'regressive' than anything else that's been said on here. Borderline full on Victorian colonial racism at it's finest.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 03:26:29 pm
No. I've had Muslim friends and many of my co-workers and students have been Muslim. Would I think he would be better off without Islam or any religion? Yes. But otherwise I think he seems like a decent guy from what little I know of him from these forums.

100% agree
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 20, 2016, 03:31:43 pm
My impression was that he chose it, at least partly, out of love for a woman.
but maybe it was out of love for self exploding

-falls in love with woman
-gets cut for her
-leaves him because bs reasons
-can't even masterbates easily anymore
...
-explodes


It all makes sense now.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Overdriven on July 20, 2016, 03:33:03 pm
but maybe it was out of love for self exploding


-falls in love with woman
-gets cut for her
-leaves him because bs reasons
-can't even masterbates easily anymore
...
-explodes


It all makes sense now.

100% accurate.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 20, 2016, 03:38:42 pm
I believe there's still quite a lot of choices before it comes to that, unlike a lot of "moderate" muslims. It comes from having a society that isn't a violent theocratic or authoritatian shithole (yet).

Sure, it is fine atm. Everything is fine as long you can choose to be an unicorn and no one bothers you. But if shit hits the fan, he ain't 'theirs' and in 'our' eyes he is a traitor. Pretty bad position to put yourself in case of conflict.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 04:07:46 pm
Wow this shit deteriorated pretty damn quick.

So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim. Well you're a cowardly surrender-happy Frenchman, no wonder you cant cope with immigration or anything that requires a couple of testicles to contend with. You've been wanting to 'surrender' the refugee crisis since day 1 xD so roll over and get fucked by more islamists, you are French after all so at least you're playing to type.

Unlike Overdriven who has displayed none of these qualities you hate him so rationally for as a muslim. You are truly the most retarded, braindead, backwards piece of shit on this forum, and although innocent people should never have to suffer I am personally glad that it is your country that is being fucked right now, it is poetic justice to watch you splutter and attempt to seem more outraged after each attack, when you've already proven yourself to be a joke blowing your load over menial shit in the past. If you get as angry over Krems trolling as you do over 100s dead in your country, you know you're retarded. And no matter how hard you stomp your feet, or that vein in your forehead throbs, you cant rage harder than you already were long before any attacks. But by all means, keep trying to pretend that these attacks have given you a more radical perspective, if nothing else then for my singular pleasure.
Barring the harsh language used (though he didn't say overdriven was trash, nor did he attack HIM necessarily until you put the words in his mouth), everything Oberyn said about what Muslims produce nowadays is true. Once the heart of science and discovery, now is promissory of diminutive scientific influence. 1.3-1.6 billion Muslims, two Nobel Prizes in science. Had the rise of anti-rationalism never taken hold in the Muslim world and influenced Islam so heavily, perhaps half(or more) could be attributed to Muslims nowadays.

The language you're using heskey is pretty damn vitriolic and purely out of spite, you're no better and likely worse than he is. Something like "although innocent people should never have to suffer I am personally glad that it is your country that is being fucked right now" is pretty damn grotesque if you stop to think about what you're actually saying here. One second you're saying innocents shouldn't suffer and the next you're saying you're glad they're suffering because they're Oberyn's countrymen? That's pretty gross.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 20, 2016, 04:13:47 pm
Heh, I think Oberyn can take the insults, its not like he is shy or anything.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 04:18:55 pm
Heh, I think Oberyn can take the insults, its not like he is shy or anything.
If it were as simple as only insulting Oberyn, I wouldn't have anything to say on the topic. By all means, go at Oberyn. Condemning random countrymen of his simply because they're his countrymen though? Maybe heskey meant it, maybe he didn't, maybe he just didn't think about what he was saying. I know another person who seems to not always think about everything he says too.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 20, 2016, 04:24:58 pm
I'm one of Oberyn's countrymen and I understand HeskeyTime bout. Used to feel his way, got real mad at Oberyn or Dave once or twice :mrgreen:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 20, 2016, 04:39:56 pm
Condemning random countrymen of his simply because they're his countrymen though?

I think he doesn't mind. After all he doesn't mind that Panos is happy because of death of 200 frenchmen.

So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim.

Yes.

Hesky, you see the difference now?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 04:55:12 pm
Yes.


Do you even read? Maybe I did put the words in his mouth, but he said them and it was sufficient to get around the pages and pages of 'you say I think X! I don't think X at all' without ever stating what he does think. Well now, we have it.

As for the rest, i'll talk on Oberyn's level if I fancy. It's been allowed perfectly fine up to this point, and I'm enjoying the results.

After all, I clearly only don't have an issue with the muslims in my country because I'm afraid of causing offence (you can tell by the way I talk that causing offense deeply concerns me). And my position has never been treat everyone lovely, I've never claimed to be the nice guy in all this. My position is that we should do everything possible to punish the trash, individuals who are proven to be dangerous, breaking the law, threatening violence, whatever.

Where I'm 'radical' in defending islam, is that out of all muslims I've personally known in my country not a single one of them falls into that category. If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people. I'm not down with that. This does not mean I'm a paragon of love and forgiveness, if an individual terrorist butchers civilians then hang-draw-and-quarter them in public for all I care regardless of whether he's sorry or not.

For me what this comes down to is, does any action from individuals of a religion justify punishment of everyone? I will violently defend my position that it does not, that's not how our society or our laws work.



I didn't condemn any of his countrymen for being his countrymen, I quite clearly stated that innocents should never have to suffer in situations such as these. I absolutely put thought into it as I was typing it, specifically the ways in which it could be misconstrued - since we all know these forums fairly well by now.
If someone says thing A, then you interpret it as thing B and ask if he said thing B, he didn't say it until you put the words in his mouth. So yes, I read that more accurately than you did.

Just because you preface a shitty statement with "innocents should never have to suffer" doesn't mean you now have the moral high-ground. That's equivalent to the "I'm not a racist but" speech.

"If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people."
What is meant by "punish" here? Are you referring to something specific or using the term generally?

I think he doesn't mind. After all he doesn't mind that Panos is happy because of death of 200 frenchmen.
Irrelevant to the point I was making though.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 20, 2016, 05:09:57 pm
I'm one of Oberyn's countrymen and I understand HeskeyTime bout. Used to feel his way, got real mad at Oberyn or Dave once or twice :mrgreen:

and don't you feel like a proper twat now that he's dead
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 05:12:38 pm
and don't you feel like a proper twat now that he's dead
DaveUKR? And by dead do you actually mean dead, or simply no longer a part of this community?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 20, 2016, 05:21:18 pm
Dead. It's a shame because Butan used to poke fun at his cancer and in the end, that's what killed him.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on July 20, 2016, 05:37:11 pm
And I do indeed see the difference, one of my quotes contains a fullstop at the end, the other does not.

Clearly we don't think about the same thing  :wink:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tydeus on July 20, 2016, 06:01:11 pm
He agreed when i asked that thing B is exactly what he was saying, so clearly I read what he was actually saying better than you for me to get such succinct clarification from him.

And my preface absolutely confirms that I'm not condemning his countrymen. Butan gets it, why dont you?
Benefit of the doubt, that's why.

Carrying out an argument or conversation with people while assuming the worst about the statements of those you don't agree with is the best way to not hear their arguments. You're just sitting alone in your own sound chamber at that point. So as a matter of principle, I find it intolerable. Because regardless of what he said he meant (or if he just cba to say "no, that wasn't what I was saying" because as stated previously, he's frustrated with people not taking Muslim beliefs seriously), you still had to assume the worst prior to his clarification, for you to ramble off those two follow-up paragraphs.

So again I ask the following.

If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people.
What is meant by "punish" here? Are you referring to something specific or using the term generally?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on July 20, 2016, 06:22:06 pm
lol
Not saying other ethnicities don't belong in the US of course, but it has had a European-American majority since its founding.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 20, 2016, 08:04:01 pm
Wow this shit deteriorated pretty damn quick.
Barring the harsh language used (though he didn't say overdriven was trash, nor did he attack HIM necessarily until you put the words in his mouth), everything Oberyn said about what Muslims produce nowadays is true. Once the heart of science and discovery, now is promissory of diminutive scientific influence. 1.3-1.6 billion Muslims, two Nobel Prizes in science. Had the rise of anti-rationalism never taken hold in the Muslim world and influenced Islam so heavily, perhaps half(or more) could be attributed to Muslims nowadays.

Did you watch Neil deGrasse Tyson videos? :D
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 20, 2016, 09:43:19 pm
Well, it really hasn't. The primary culture it is built on, which has built everything from infrastructure to its institutions, is European culture. But sure, they had to live with all their imported slaves not in colonies like we did but actually in their own backyards, and the history of the trouble that has brought is long and bloody and still ongoing. The country is very large though so people can clump up in ethnic regions, that's is basically the extent of diversity outside certain areas in the major cities. Take a look at the maps here, how black and white communities still live apart to a very high degree (same can be seen in interracial marriages btw.) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35255835

I'm also not surprised, nor has anyone been since its founding, that America would take a leading role in industry, considering its vast size, immense ressources and near unheard of defensible natural borders.

Only 3/4 of 1% of Americans owned slaves in 1860, a very small minority of descendants of English Aristocracy that basically lived in their own colonies or plantations. While this institution has clearly brought about unending problems for the US it's never correctly viewed in it's context of it's historical era. Europeans in the Caribbean, mainly the Spanish, worked their slaves to death then replaced them because it was cheaper then feeding and housing them, America has received a terrible reputation for slavery but in fact if slaves were not purchased by wealthy English aristocrats in America most wouldn't have survived in Spanish captivity very long. 

The main issue here now is economic inequality, but this is nothing new really. Alot of people including many whites have chosen to accept welfare culture as the norm when it was never meant to be more than an economic safety net. I believe that this is mostly a personal choice and people have just become too comfortable with it. You can easily find a mindless job that pays 15 dollars an hour without any education or requisites. If anything separates the United States from Europe it is that independence and self reliance is the backbone of our values and the never-ending amount of options we have available.

 In many job areas experience is still valued over education, even without an education you can still make a very good living for yourself. There is still an enormous amount of acres of land available for fairly low prices, you can still affordably build or purchase your own house and create your own dream life here if you are willing to put in the work. Vehicles are also fairly cheap here and we probably have the best highway and road system in the world, so even if you can't find a job you're looking for locally it's not a big problem, being in a rural area doesn't really feel all the rural when you have the ability to go anywhere you want fairly fast and with ease without having to plan your day around bus stops and public trans.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 21, 2016, 03:07:17 am
Took me a second to get the joke. When I did, I must admit, I had myself a good chuckle.I typically don't find 'internet humor' especially amusing or relatable, in fact it took me years to figure out what an 'youtube' was. Nonetheless, in today's bitter political climate, I find solace in a little bit of an injection of humor into this crazy world. Anyways, good job, hope to see more of this in the future.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Thomek on July 21, 2016, 04:20:09 pm
I understand it like this: Heskey for once gave Oberyn back in similar style that Oberyn also tends flavor and generalize to the extreme. (I now read his comments trying to jump over the adjectives and colorful descriptions. It's too much really, and doesn't make his points come across stronger.) Now, I also do think Overdriven, although a fool, behaves way classier than Oberyn does, generally.

I was actually surprised that Oberyn would settle for a surprisingly realistic immigration policy though. I mean you get the feeling he wants to burn 1.3 Billion people.

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Anyway, I do think Fortress Europe is coming sooner or later. It simply makes too much sense for everyone south of the Mediterranean to escape their fucked up countries. And the better those countries do, the more people are enabled one way or another to try. And it's the best and smartest who will succeed, resulting in just another evil circle.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 21, 2016, 05:43:23 pm


I was actually surprised that Oberyn would settle for a surprisingly realistic immigration policy though. I mean you get the feeling he wants to burn 1.3 Billion people.

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I never got that impression.  I think he just wants to burn the idiots who want to bury their heads in the sand and deny that unbridled immigration is not the best thing ever. 
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Overdriven on July 21, 2016, 06:10:03 pm
Now, I also do think Overdriven, although a fool, behaves way classier than Oberyn does, generally.

From the ninja I used to enjoy trampling with my horse I'll take that!  :)

I never got that impression.  I think he just wants to burn the idiots who want to bury their heads in the sand and deny that unbridled immigration is not the best thing ever.

Thing is I don't think me or Heskey have ever argued that unbridled immigration is a good idea. I'm all for more controls. It's the general all round hate of everything to do with a religion, with no consideration for the vastly differing people who practice it that we disagree with. Oberyn seems to put everyone associated with Islam under one umbrella and that's a very narrow field of view.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 21, 2016, 08:07:24 pm
I never got that impression.  I think he just wants to burn the idiots who want to bury their heads in the sand and deny that unbridled immigration is not the best thing ever.

That would already quite a lot of millions people to burn though!
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 21, 2016, 11:01:00 pm
From the ninja I used to enjoy trampling with my horse I'll take that!  :)

Thing is I don't think me or Heskey have ever argued that unbridled immigration is a good idea. I'm all for more controls. It's the general all round hate of everything to do with a religion, with no consideration for the vastly differing people who practice it that we disagree with. Oberyn seems to put everyone associated with Islam under one umbrella and that's a very narrow field of view.


But I believe that you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the role of Islam (whether pure or perverted)  in inspiring, justifying, funding and abetting these attacks.  It's just as unwise to ignore that as it is to place blanket blame on all Muslims.  The perpetrators of the Paris attacks could not have hidden and "swum in the sea" of the Islamic communities in Brussels for so long without a good deal of help and cooperation.  IMO that is a result of some (who knows the percentage) Islamic immigrants and the first generation children of immigrants identifying more with Islam than with the country or society in which they live.

That would already quite a lot of millions people to burn though!

Hard to quantify.  May be less than you believe and probably decreasing in proportion to terror attacks and friction between native population and immigrants.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Overdriven on July 22, 2016, 09:58:22 am
Nope at no point have I said I ignore it. In fact quite the opposite as I'm opposed to that particular hard core conservative ideology. You can't ignore the role of Islam unless you have your head in the sand.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 22, 2016, 11:34:08 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/21/dont-scratch-your-thigh-in-front-of-my-wife-man-told-husband-of/

"Alps knife attacker stabbed family after father of victims 'scratched thigh' in front of his wife"

"While he "didn't say a word" during the attack, according to the victims, during questioning he shouted "Allahu Akbar" three times and then refused to talk. No Islamist material was found at his home."

"He is reported to have been on holiday at the resort with his pregnant wife and two children."

Hasn't had a job for 7 years, goes on "holiday" at an alpine resort with his wife and two kids. These people may loathe the west and it's culture but they sure do love it's welfare system.

http://www.nordeclair.fr/france-monde/operation-antiterroriste-en-cours-a-argenteuil-val-d-oise-jna0b0n1207506

And of course the usual round-up of terrorist scum that will be completely ignored by the general public since they got caught and arrested before they pulled off any attacks. It's like they don't even exist at all.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on July 22, 2016, 12:26:15 pm
The dozens of times this happens every year and the hundreds of people arrested are not focused on for very obvious reasons. It would magnify how deeply imbedded, widespread and growing this attitude is among "moderate" muslims. And these are just the ones the security services are aware of. I'd be willing to bet money that most people still believe in the "lone wolf" propaganda about the Nice attacker and aren't aware of the network of material and moral support that made it possible, or the other people arrested in connection with the attack.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 22, 2016, 07:02:05 pm

To take an example that I'm sure will rapidly derail this thread as it normally does, when I mention 'gun control' (as I so often do), I'm not stating guns as the motive for murder (lol, how would that even?) but the means. Means and motive being two entirely different things, talking about potentially preventable factors such as the tools an individual person can use to easily inflict mass murder is not *instead* of any discussion about their motive, which in recent times is frequently radical Islam.

Yes, in my mind one thing is easier to control in the short term and could deliver more immediate gratification than the other in a real world setting, whilst there is no quick way to reform Islam but this more difficult path will have by far the most positive impact. Fortunately, this is not a Telltale game where you only get 1 option and it's either 'control weapons' (as a example, just an example before you explode lol) or 'de-radicalise Islam', both of these things can be happening at the same time (or neither). I choose this example because down both of those paths you will be met with angry resistance by those who wish to defend their way of life, the way they *know* to be best.


Take a look at the inside of the railway car in Germany that was the site of the axe attack and think about being locked in that car with the axe man with nothing but your bare hands and tell me that in that extremity you would not opt to have and use a pistol to stop him.  I know all the arguments about the crowd rushing him, and the possibility of being hit by a stray bullet.  My opinion is that they pale when compared to the reality of facing a man with an axe who has murderous intent.

I would support certain gun control measures if it could be conclusively demonstrated that they would prevent criminals, mental defectives etc from getting them.  That is a high bar.  What I will never support is the blanket denial of the means to a basic human right, the right to defend one's life.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 25, 2016, 11:33:16 am
Also this topic is gay, why is it called "Live your myth"? Panos lern 2 englsih.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Vibe on July 25, 2016, 11:45:20 am
Greece doesn't have stories, they have myths.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 25, 2016, 11:49:31 am
Like Alexander being a greek
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 25, 2016, 09:06:15 pm
I figured someone here wouldn't be able to resist the gun point.

If I find myself in that situation I'd be much happier for the man to have an axe than a gun. I fancy my chances of at least surviving that encounter, relatively speaking.

We don't live in a magic dreamworld where only I would be allowed a gun and he'd still be coming at me with an axe. Far more likely in any world where I possess a gun, so does he. And frankly, my odds of survival were much better in a crowded train with an axeman.

The right to defend one's life is important, which is why I significantly favour the system that gives me and others around me the best possible chance of survival. I still have the right to defend myself, I'm just less likely to be facing someone who could easily kill me without significant effort on their part.
Well you raised it and I'm always happy to debate it.

It's no more of a dream world to be facing a knife or machete or axe without a pistol than it is to be facing a man with a pistol.  Have it your way.  Say he had a pistol.  The attack in Germany, a country with strict gun laws, proves it's only too possible that an 18 year old can possess one.  If he meant to kill all in that car, you would have a better chance if you were armed than bare handed. 

I understand your point about making guns more scarce may mean you are less likely to encounter one.  It's a good point.  However you are denying a 90 lb woman from protecting herself from a 250 assaulter or multiple attackers, or a 70 year old man from protecting himself from a 25 year old.    It may be fine for those individuals to have the right to defend their lives, as you say it is, but what good is that without the means?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 25, 2016, 09:13:44 pm
Only that if the terrorist has a gun, you'll be dead before you know it and if he has an axe you'll atleast have the chance to defend yourself.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Osiris on July 25, 2016, 09:21:29 pm
Guns are gud. You only have to look at America to see that plentiful guns make you safer and far less likely to be shot than in the UK France or Germany.





Also sarcasm if you didn't get it.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 26, 2016, 03:39:50 am
Only that if the terrorist has a gun, you'll be dead before you know it and if he has an axe you'll atleast have the chance to defend yourself.

Oh so he's going to shoot all the people in the rail car simultaneously?  What's he got a multibarreled gun with each barrel pointed at every persons' head?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 06:44:07 am
Only that if the terrorist has a gun, you'll be dead before you know it and if he has an axe you'll atleast have the chance to defend yourself.
Nope, any situation where you would be dead before you know it if the terrorist had a gun you would also be dead before you know it if the terrorist had an axe/knife/machete/shovel, e.g., sleeping or completely unaware of your surroundings.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 10:44:03 am
Oh so he's going to shoot all the people in the rail car simultaneously?  What's he got a multibarreled gun with each barrel pointed at every persons' head?

Oh right, so you'll have to hope he doesnt aim at you first, he then got the time to shoot five-six people? Or were you trained at the witcher school so you have enchaned senses that you wont be shocked by the blood and scream and gunshots and will pull out your gun as soon as you see him and emerge a hero? You sound like a COD kid.

Nope, any situation where you would be dead before you know it if the terrorist had a gun you would also be dead before you know it if the terrorist had an axe/knife/machete/shovel, e.g., sleeping or completely unaware of your surroundings.

Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an axe?

I'd rather be in a room with others being charged with an axe than sudden gun shots, boom, the guy next to me just got a bullet in his head, what do I do, wheres my gun, I'm panicking. He killed another four and now I'm dead.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 26, 2016, 11:30:10 am
Another attack in France...

https://twitter.com/conflicts/status/757870176624779264
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Post by: Prpavi on July 26, 2016, 11:59:19 am
A pedo and 2 jihadists dead, good day for France
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 26, 2016, 12:47:17 pm
A pedo and 2 jihadists dead, good day for France

Must be somehow related to breivik and the far right like the syrian who shot all those people in munich  :rolleyes:. Kind of depressing watching Europe turn into an Islamic shithole.
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Post by: Leshma on July 26, 2016, 02:18:25 pm
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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 26, 2016, 02:25:37 pm
A pedo and 2 jihadists dead, good day for France

If only every attacks were so... but most of the time these sickos get away with a much better K/D, often comprised of people of their own faith, so blind are they to who they really kill.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 26, 2016, 02:37:58 pm
Both the far right and radical islam can agree on one thing at least, that those are not 'real' muslims (except for the purposes of immigration in which case they still count and shouldn't be allowed in).


I joke, I joke, they agree on more than just that.

I hear what you saying. Its true that for those tards, even killing fellow muslims is okay because they are traitor muslims (or whatever is the word for that in Islam) living under the yoke of the infidels :lol:

If only muslims were like christians and called themselves by their major denominations/schools... you could easily tell fanatics from moderates :wink: until they do the only way is to not make any discrimination unfortunately, and good because western countries hate discrimination!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 02:38:33 pm
Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an axe?
Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an AK and a pistol?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_train_attack

Nice argument bro


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I'd rather be in a room with others being charged with an axe than sudden gun shots, boom, the guy next to me just got a bullet in his head, what do I do, wheres my gun, I'm panicking. He killed another four and now I'm dead.
Unfortunately your personal fears and feelings don't matter.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 02:41:30 pm
Exactly, hence why guns are rigorously controlled in most of Europe. Regardless of what any gun-nut may desire
You're still gay.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on July 26, 2016, 02:42:20 pm
Exactly, hence why guns are rigorously controlled in most of Europe. Regardless of what any gun-nut may desire

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Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 02:55:55 pm
Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an AK and a pistol?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_train_attack

Nice argument bro

Unfortunately your personal fears and feelings don't matter.

Did you even read what you linked?

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A 28-year-old Frenchman, whose name was released only as "Damien A.", was heading to the toilet as the armed gunman was exiting.[13] Damien A. attempted to restrain or disarm the gunman but fell to the floor in the ensuing struggle. An American-born Frenchman, 51-year-old Mark Moogalian,[13] attempted to wrest the rifle from the gunman, who then drew an automatic 9mm Luger pistol.[1][2][22] Moogalian was shot through the back of the neck; seriously injured, he played dead.[13][15][23][24][25] The assailant also tried to fire his rifle, but it jammed.[15]

The gunman was then tackled and subdued by a group of three American friends, two of them off-duty members of the U.S. Armed Forces.[23][26][27] They were identified as 23-year-old Airman First Class Spencer Stone,[28] 23-year-old Anthony Sadler,[29][30] and 22-year-old Specialist Alek Skarlatos.[22][31][32][33] Sadler told CNN that Skarlatos yelled "Get him!" after which "Spencer immediately gets up to charge the guy, followed by Alek, then myself."[18] In an interview with Sky News, Skarlatos added that they had been lucky that the attacker's rifle had jammed.[34]

How does that depict what I said? The gunman encountered some brave guy just as he was exiting, was wrestled down only for two trained U.S Armed Forces soldiers to finish it. Now imagine if Mr. Damien didn't head to the toilets, the gunman would open fire on non-suspecting civilians. They would be absolutely slaugthered. So they were very lucky.

Now switch the scenario for an axe wielding man.

But hey, nice argument bro.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 03:05:14 pm
Did you even read what you linked?

How does that depict what I said? The gunman encountered some brave guy just as he was exiting, was wrestled down only for two trained U.S Armed Forces soldiers to finish it. Now imagine if Mr. Damien didn't head to the toilets, the gunman would open fire on non-suspecting civilians. They would be absolutely slaugthered. So they were very lucky.

Now switch the scenario for an axe wielding man.

But hey, nice argument bro.
Depict what you said? You said if someone had a gun you'd die unaware. That guy had a gun, people did not die unaware. They stopped him and took less damage than the person with an axe caused.

You used stupid anecdotal evidence to back up your argument, I used another piece of anecdotal evidence that completely trumped yours.

As for your speculation about "just being slaughtered", that's ridiculous. I can craft scenarios about the axeman slaughtering 200 people as well.

So learn to debate maybe, mr. Fantasy Scenario Man.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 03:13:07 pm
Right, you convinced me, the gun jammed and one incredibly lucky scenario went down in that attack, defnitely would rather fight off an AK-47 at 20ft away with my fists then an axe because of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting

It's your turn now.
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Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 03:20:02 pm
Right, you convinced me, the gun jammed and one incredibly lucky scenario went down in that attack, defnitely would rather fight off an AK-47 at 20ft away with my fists then an axe because of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting

It's your turn now.
I guessed right, the point about anecdotal evidence flew right over your head and you double down instead. Don't join the debate team.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 03:28:19 pm
How so? Is that not what happened? Should we base all gun crimes to this one and pretend something else wouldn't have happened if they didnt encounter eachother in the exact same second? I guess we'll wait for next one, it won't be as pretty with a firearm. And I rather get debate tips from Heskey, he's much more of a *nuisance*
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 03:34:18 pm
How so? Is that not what happened? Should we base all gun crimes to this one and pretend something else wouldn't have happened if they didnt encounter eachother in the exact same second? I guess we'll wait for next one, it won't be as pretty with a firearm. And I rather get debate tips from Heskey, he's much more of a *nuisance*
Like, do you not know what anecdotal evidence is? Is that what this is? That's about the only reason I can think of why you're still so confused. The single incident where the gunman didn't manage to kill anyone doesn't prove anything, nor does the incident from 25 years ago where a gunman killed six people....

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 03:43:42 pm
Yeah, alright, I admit that was not at all what I was thinking about. Using logical sense, it is easier to kill with a then an axe, and even if everyone in that train had a gun the chances are slim you'll always have combat experienced soldiers ready to tackle the problem.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 04:03:33 pm
Yeah, alright, I admit that was not at all what I was thinking about. Using logical sense, it is easier to kill with a then an axe, and even if everyone in that train had a gun the chances are slim you'll always have combat experienced soldiers ready to tackle the problem.
A US air force intake clerk for children is a combat experienced soldier? Or do you perhaps mean Alek Skarlatos, who was never in combat?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 04:17:18 pm
A war-zone deployed military trained soldier praised for his courage.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 04:25:34 pm
A war-zone deployed military trained soldier praised for his courage.
So "combat experienced soldiers" turned to "one of them had been in a "war-zone" (=stood post while having to watch afghans fuck goats) for a few months."
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 04:33:03 pm
Yep, point is,

"A war-zone deployed military trained soldier praised for his courage." =/= Civilian with a gun

But I'm glad you can realise that and move on to bashing me for a mistake.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 04:38:09 pm
Yep, point is,

"A war-zone deployed military trained soldier praised for his courage." =/= Civilian with a gun

But I'm glad you can realise that and move on to bashing me for a mistake.
What are you even talking about? An unarmed National Guard soldier isn't a civilian with a gun? Uhm... no shit? By definition? So what? Why should he be a civilian with a gun? What is the point you're trying to make?

And I'm just "bashing you for a mistake" now because you STILL don't understand what anecdotal evidence is, and happily keep using it as proof, making the actual topic a useless discussion.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 04:44:07 pm
Holy fuck,

http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htm

I've always imagined how annoying it is to argue with you since you ALWAYS derail from anything and everything to take useless points about something irrelevant.

It really shouldn't be that hard to follow up on these posts.

Yeah, alright, I admit that was not at all what I was thinking about. Using logical sense, it is easier to kill with a then an axe, and even if everyone in that train had a gun the chances are slim you'll always have combat experienced soldiers ready to tackle the problem.

You then proceed to correct me, in which I stand corrected and point AGAIN to this ^
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 04:48:10 pm
Holy fuck,

http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htm

I've always imagined how annoying it is to argue with you since you ALWAYS derail from anything and everything to take useless points about something irrelevant.

It really shouldn't be that hard to follow up on these posts.

You then proceed to correct me, in which I stand corrected and point AGAIN to this ^
I haven't derailed anything. I already comprehensively destroyed your argument by showing you anecdotal evidence is not proof, and you didn't even know what anecdotal evidence is. You acknowledge this, and then go on to use the same anecdotal evidence to further try to argue your point. What else is there to do but to talk about something else?

Do you know what =/= means? I mean, maybe you legitimately don't, and you don't realize that your post was literally stating that a soldier isn't a civilian with a gun, which makes no sense in the context, no matter which way you turn it. Or maybe you meant without a gun? There are more holes in your posts than in a salt shaker.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 04:51:36 pm
http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htm

Sure it does, I'm gonna go and see if I can get some brain cells back since this is mostly pointless.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2016, 05:17:22 pm
http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htm

Sure it does, I'm gonna go and see if I can get some brain cells back since this is mostly pointless.
Thanks, another notch in the old six shooter.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 26, 2016, 05:56:58 pm
Oh right, so you'll have to hope he doesnt aim at you first, he then got the time to shoot five-six people? Or were you trained at the witcher school so you have enchaned senses that you wont be shocked by the blood and scream and gunshots and will pull out your gun as soon as you see him and emerge a hero? You sound like a COD kid.


I'd rather be in a room with others being charged with an axe than sudden gun shots, boom, the guy next to me just got a bullet in his head, what do I do, wheres my gun, I'm panicking. He killed another four and now I'm dead.

At least there is the possibility that you won't be shot first instead of impotently waiting to be shot last or shot while fruitlessly charging him. 
So your solution is to be shocked by the blood and screams and shots and have nothing but bare hands to react with?
It's not a question of being a hero.  Survival with all the body parts I boarded the train with is the motivation.
Training can do much to make drawing and using a weapon muscle memory.  A COD kid is the antithesis of that.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 26, 2016, 10:06:43 pm
Right, you convinced me, the gun jammed and one incredibly lucky scenario went down in that attack, defnitely would rather fight off an AK-47 at 20ft away with my fists then an axe because of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting

It's your turn now.

Living in Eurabia without a gun would be suicidal. It was an option before Islam arrived in mass, now you're just going to be the chump without a means to defend yourself because there are shootings and attacks happening on a daily basis.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1506421/sweden-gunman-on-the-run-and-area-evacuated-after-gunning-down-victim-in-horrific-attack-in-broad-daylight/

another shooting, this time in Sweden.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 10:25:38 pm
Damn, reading The Sun :P

Anyway, the guy was shot in the leg, not that bad. Not sure if you can call it 'another shooting' as in, that's another terrorist attack.

I'm fairly pleased considering half of Malmö are immigrants and there's not that much trouble. It's like a huge ghetto, but as a swede I'd never put my foot there.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 26, 2016, 10:27:42 pm
Damn, reading The Sun :P

Anyway, the guy was shot in the leg, not that bad. Not sure if you can call it 'another shooting' as in, that's another terrorist attack.

I'm fairly pleased considering half of Malmö are immigrants and there's not that much trouble. It's like a huge ghetto, but as a swede I'd never put my foot there.
Yea playing with hand grenades is totally normal street crime
https://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 26, 2016, 10:28:38 pm
Ima gonna lure you in there with rare pokemans :P
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 10:35:35 pm
Yea playing with hand grenades is totally normal street crime
https://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/

Like I said, that's Malmö, has been like that for a while now. There's still nothing pointing to any of it being a terrorist attack. Last one we had was in 2010 or something.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Osiris on July 26, 2016, 10:39:53 pm
At least there is the possibility that you won't be shot first instead of impotently waiting to be shot last or shot while fruitlessly charging him. 
So your solution is to be shocked by the blood and screams and shots and have nothing but bare hands to react with?
It's not a question of being a hero.  Survival with all the body parts I boarded the train with is the motivation.
Training can do much to make drawing and using a weapon muscle memory.  A COD kid is the antithesis of that.

are you actually saying that places like the USA are safer than places like Europe because USA has more guns? What western Europe is suffering now is pretty much what the USA has all the time..
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 26, 2016, 10:44:57 pm
Like I said, that's Malmö, has been like that for a while now. There's still nothing pointing to any of it being a terrorist attack. Last one we had was in 2010 or something.

You're forgetting that Islam preaches death to infidels aka anyone not them, and millions of "moderate" muslims agree with it. It doesn't matter if the news calls it a terrorist attack or not because you'd still be dead. It's also well known that the German and Swedish media is North Korean tier propaganda and has not been telling the truth about the suspects, motives and extent of attacks. That said I wouldn't want to walk around carrying a gun so I would avoid those locations all together, safer option either way.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on July 26, 2016, 10:48:54 pm
are you actually saying that places like the USA are safer than places like Europe because USA has more guns? What western Europe is suffering now is pretty much what the USA has all the time..

Like bittersteel said it's pretty easy to avoid the most troublesome areas because you know who the most likely perpetrators are in the first place. If I lived in certain cities I would absolutely carry a pistol with me though.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 26, 2016, 10:58:27 pm
It's true Aftonbladet, Expressen and Nyheter24 are known muslim apologists and like to hide certain things that point to bad things involving muslims.

But there's plenty neutral and even far-right sources for me to read and believe me, I'd know if we would have an ongoing terrorist attack here. I'd also love it since the Swedish Democrats would skyrocket in the polls if that happened.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Christo on July 27, 2016, 03:17:13 am
Damn, reading The Sun :P

Does it really matter anymore.. all these outlets they all copy the articles from somewhere else or from eachother, with the occasional "this fits our agenda" bits added to it
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 27, 2016, 09:13:39 pm
are you actually saying that places like the USA are safer than places like Europe because USA has more guns? What western Europe is suffering now is pretty much what the USA has all the time..
Did I say that?  No, I said that if I were in a situation such as has been described I would have a greater chance of successfully defending myself with a pistol than without one.  I agree that a greater amount of guns available means that the chance of encountering an individual with one is greater.  However in one on one crime a knife will kill just as well as a gun.  Statistics are a cold comfort at that point.

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Post by: Thomek on July 27, 2016, 10:30:49 pm
Did I say that?  No, I said that if I were in a situation such as has been described I would have a greater chance of successfully defending myself with a pistol than without one.  I agree that a greater amount of guns available means that the chance of encountering an individual with one is greater.  However in one on one crime a knife will kill just as well as a gun.  Statistics are a cold comfort at that point.

Guns are superior for killing in any environment. There are also guns made for any environment. Or you would see special forces raiding hijacked planes with machetes. Machete urban combat etc.

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 28, 2016, 05:32:46 am
Guns are superior for killing in any environment. There are also guns made for any environment. Or you would see special forces raiding hijacked planes with machetes. Machete urban combat etc.

Would you rather face a knife with your bare hands?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on July 28, 2016, 08:41:45 am
Yes, in most situations I'd rather face someone with a knife instead of someone with of a loaded gun. Especially since my favourite move - running away - is more effective in the former case.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 28, 2016, 03:20:15 pm
Would you rather face a knife with your bare hands?

If youre decent in fighting, or just relatively strong, then you could probably take a person with a knife down. You might get stabbed or cut, but adrenalin too stronk. Or you could like Paul mentioned, simply run away.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 28, 2016, 03:51:42 pm
lmao

merkel: "terrorists want to weaken our capacity to take in refugees"
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 28, 2016, 04:01:27 pm
lmao

merkel: "terrorists want to weaken our capacity to take in refugees"

Haha, thanks to them then, i guess? Alltho ive heard sweden is reducing the intake already without any terrorist attacks in our areas. Or maybe we're just feeling the threat now too.
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Post by: Tydeus on July 28, 2016, 04:23:58 pm
lmao

merkel: "terrorists want to weaken our capacity to take in refugees"
That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Top tier head in the sand logic. Link to where she said this for future quoting purposes?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 28, 2016, 04:32:47 pm
She's full of shit. EU are doing their best to stop immigrants to enter. She's trying to get political points from liberal leftist cucks because there is no way in hell she'll get votes from right wing supporters. Fighting for her own life.

Another proof that politicians are nasty people and should be replaced by professionals.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 28, 2016, 04:53:29 pm
That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Top tier head in the sand logic. Link to where she said this for future quoting purposes?
It's from a Finnish article about Merkel's speech on Thursday. Only found some quotes from her speech in English, not the full of thing.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/merkel-germany-will-manage-challenge-after-attacks-1.3005853
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/28/merkel-rejects-calls-to-change-germanys-refugee-policy-after-attacks
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Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on July 28, 2016, 06:12:47 pm
Less refugee? No no no no... you don't understand..... Merkel is secretly muslim.......she the head of state of both Germany and Daech.....
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on July 28, 2016, 06:29:40 pm
Yes

Possibilities:

- You're trolling with that answer because you don't wish to admit that if put to the test the answer would really be no.
- You're naive and stupid enough to really mean yes.

If youre decent in fighting, or just relatively strong, then you could probably take a person with a knife down. You might get stabbed or cut, but adrenalin too stronk. Or you could like Paul mentioned, simply run away.

What happens to the person that is not physically strong or a trained fighter?  Just too bad for them huh?  Some people have to be victims right?  Yes you may get stabbed in the heart, or jugular vein.  Good luck with adrenaline carrying you through that.  Ask Paul where are you going to run to inside a moving train car.  Running, if you are able to physically and with safety (why would you turn your back on a person with a knife and ask for a stab in the back?) is probably the best option.  But sometimes retreating is not an option.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 28, 2016, 08:18:41 pm
Possibilities:

- You're trolling with that answer because you don't wish to admit that if put to the test the answer would really be no.
- You're naive and stupid enough to really mean yes.

What happens to the person that is not physically strong or a trained fighter?  Just too bad for them huh?  Some people have to be victims right?  Yes you may get stabbed in the heart, or jugular vein.  Good luck with adrenaline carrying you through that.  Ask Paul where are you going to run to inside a moving train car.  Running, if you are able to physically and with safety (why would you turn your back on a person with a knife and ask for a stab in the back?) is probably the best option.  But sometimes retreating is not an option.

If youre not stron enough you run away, simple as. If you manage to get stabbed in the heart while trying to defend yourself youre aboslutely worthless at defending yourself, a vein maybe, but even then the adrenaline will probably keep you up for a while. I've seen videos of people getting stabbed in the throat, but still walking it off for at least a bit. Adrenaline is super OP, youd be surprised how many stab wounds some people can take and still fight fully for their lives.

Stabbing someone moving away from you is, at least i can imagine, way harder than someone moving towards you or standing still just to take it. It's tough to take someone down like that, maybe a wound or two but its going to be really hard to get anything vital.

Honestly its probably really hard to kill someone thats aware of your intents when using a knife.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 28, 2016, 08:20:19 pm
If youre not stron enough you run away, simple as. If you manage to get stabbed in the heart while trying to defend yourself youre aboslutely worthless at defending yourself, a vein maybe, but even then the adrenaline will probably keep you up for a while. I've seen videos of people getting stabbed in the throat, but still walking it off for at least a bit. Adrenaline is super OP, youd be surprised how many stab wounds some people can take and still fight fully for their lives.

Stabbing someone moving away from you is, at least i can imagine, way harder than someone moving towards you or standing still just to take it. It's tough to take someone down like that, maybe a wound or two but its going to be really hard to get anything vital.

Honestly its probably really hard to kill someone thats aware of your intents when using a knife.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

This adrenaline magic also apparently only works against knife wounds but not gunshot wounds.
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Post by: Paul on July 28, 2016, 08:34:59 pm
Oh well, this forum redpilled me on my (lack of) common sense. So I thought it would be obvious that a gun trumps a knife most of the time but I have been mistaken. The "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" saying had been a joke all along.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 28, 2016, 08:56:17 pm
Oh well, this forum redpilled me on my (lack of) common sense. So I thought it would be obvious that a gun trumps a knife most of the time but I have been mistaken. The "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" saying had been a joke all along.
Yeah because sayings are always the ultimate truth, just like "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger:"
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Prpavi on July 28, 2016, 09:08:02 pm
Having had a gun and a knife pulled on me in my youth, I must say I felt worst seeing a knife, just an erie feeling, it's so personal, gun feels cold and fast way to go, knife is scary, plus there's a feeling the guy won't actually pull a trigger, the chance of getting slashed is far greater.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 28, 2016, 11:00:22 pm
You have no idea what you're talking about.

This adrenaline magic also apparently only works against knife wounds but not gunshot wounds.

I didnt say the adrenaline doesnt work for gun wounds as well, i just said that fighting a knife-wielding person gives you a greater chance of survival. And so id say its less dangerous.
Obviously depends on where the gun and knife hits, but the gun in general has more power, speed and range. And depends on what gun. Before you can retaliate against a gun you could be filled with 5 holes, while against a knife you could probably get somewhat of a grapple without taking more than one or two cuts/stabs.

Having had a gun and a knife pulled on me in my youth, I must say I felt worst seeing a knife, just an erie feeling, it's so personal, gun feels cold and fast way to go, knife is scary, plus there's a feeling the guy won't actually pull a trigger, the chance of getting slashed is far greater.

Thats probably true, someone with a knife is more desperate and intent on going through with it, while the threat of a gun might make them secure enough to not need to shoot. If that makes sense. For those who watch lindybeige probably saw his recent videos, shooting someone while looking them in the face is incredibly difficult unless you are a psychopath.
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Post by: Macropus on July 28, 2016, 11:29:00 pm
Whaaaats going on here?
People claiming a knife is more lethal than a gun, people claiming you could expect to neutralize a knife-wielding guy with your bare hands, Xant posting stupid shit filled with sarcasm. Wow, Im impressed.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 29, 2016, 09:08:00 am
I didnt say the adrenaline doesnt work for gun wounds as well, i just said that fighting a knife-wielding person gives you a greater chance of survival. And so id say its less dangerous.
Obviously depends on where the gun and knife hits, but the gun in general has more power, speed and range. And depends on what gun. Before you can retaliate against a gun you could be filled with 5 holes, while against a knife you could probably get somewhat of a grapple without taking more than one or two cuts/stabs.
The gun needs to be reloaded, can be grabbed and offers no advantage to the wielder in close contact. Civilian shootings aren't combat situations, you don't get sniped by Delta Force from 2 miles out before you have a chance to react. So many people die in shootings because they're so shocked that they just stand still and wait to be shot, an interesting description was given by the singer of the band in France whose concert was attacked, people being a meter from safety but just waiting to be killed instead.
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Post by: Turkhammer on July 29, 2016, 07:46:59 pm
Whaaaats going on here?
People claiming a knife is more lethal than a gun, people claiming you could expect to neutralize a knife-wielding guy with your bare hands, Xant posting stupid shit filled with sarcasm. Wow, Im impressed.

A knife could be as lethal as a gun at close quarters.  A gun, especially a pistol, is not a magic death machine that instantly kills or incapacitates whatever it hits.  A shot to the central nervous system (brain or spine) is necessary for that.  Even a shot to the heart may give enough time for the attacker to kill with the knife before blood pressure collapses.  If a knife wielder has one hand on you, the probability that you may get cut or stabbed is quite high, even if you have a gun.  That said, I'd still choose the gun.

What the gun confers is protection at distance.  Unless the attacker with the knife has closed the distance to where he has one hand gripping you so you can't back away and he can stab you then a gun is clearly superior.  The display of a gun would often deter the threat of a knife attack and it certainly is the best defense against multiple attackers if you can't defuse or escape the situation.

She's full of shit. EU are doing their best to stop immigrants to enter. She's trying to get political points from liberal leftist cucks because there is no way in hell she'll get votes from right wing supporters. Fighting for her own life.

Another proof that politicians are nasty people and should be replaced by professionals.
Politicians already are professionals.  That's part of the problem.
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Post by: Leshma on July 29, 2016, 09:27:42 pm
Maybe they are, in this fucked up world. You see, biggest issue we have are professionals who don't create any value. Politicians, lawyers, clerks, economists. There is no visible end product of their work, it is all virtual. And not in a good sense of being virtual, like worlds or tools created by programmers. What humanity needs to do, is to purge non creative professionals.

Leshma the Builder, 2016 AD

Edit: My country has hundreds of thousands of people who studied law and economy. Managers of all sorts, government workers, lawyers, those kind of people. Because of that we lack skilled workers, those who carry economy forward by creating something. We just can't pay all them wankers, because we have no industry, no proper economy. If it was up to me, I would close down all schools which aren't producing workers. Until we reach some balance.
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Post by: Grytviken on July 29, 2016, 10:48:59 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/isis-goes-west/index.html
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on July 30, 2016, 04:41:16 pm
For those who don't know why Panos picked this particular title, this is why:

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Of course those who never stepped a foot outside their Winland never heard about it :P
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 31, 2016, 06:42:48 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/31/us/austin-shooting/

Witnesses engaged the suspect, disarmed him and took him down
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on July 31, 2016, 08:18:29 pm
Maybe they are, in this fucked up world. You see, biggest issue we have are professionals who don't create any value. Politicians, lawyers, clerks, economists. There is no visible end product of their work, it is all virtual. And not in a good sense of being virtual, like worlds or tools created by programmers. What humanity needs to do, is to purge non creative professionals.

Leshma the Builder, 2016 AD

Edit: My country has hundreds of thousands of people who studied law and economy. Managers of all sorts, government workers, lawyers, those kind of people. Because of that we lack skilled workers, those who carry economy forward by creating something. We just can't pay all them wankers, because we have no industry, no proper economy. If it was up to me, I would close down all schools which aren't producing workers. Until we reach some balance.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt that kinda the problem of the Unis and tradeschools(I have no idea how its called in nonestonian)? If there is an abundance of skilled workers in some fields, you lower the amount of people accepted or raise the standards of completion so high only extremely skilled individuals get the diploma.

-1 mybe for the crushed dreams of many young people, but I think overall the economy gained more than it lost. You can outsource if lacking. If its overabundance of skilled workers you are dealing with local unemployment.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on July 31, 2016, 08:23:31 pm
(I have no idea how its called in nonestonian)
We call "nonestonian" English, just a FYI for future reference.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on July 31, 2016, 08:25:24 pm
Mybe someone wants to teach me in french or german.....
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on August 01, 2016, 01:28:02 am
Correct me if im wrong but isnt that kinda the problem of the Unis and tradeschools(I have no idea how its called in nonestonian)? If there is an abundance of skilled workers in some fields, you lower the amount of people accepted or raise the standards of completion so high only extremely skilled individuals get the diploma.

-1 mybe for the crushed dreams of many young people, but I think overall the economy gained more than it lost. You can outsource if lacking. If its overabundance of skilled workers you are dealing with local unemployment.

That's how it should be, but Unis just like Government aren't very flexible and refuse to adapt. Not only that, the big thing in post commie shitholes is talking smack about heavy industry and trying to copy developed countries and their switch to service based economy while having not enough skilled people in those fields. Which is why we have so many private schools of economy, entrepreneurship, management with stupid names where more words obviously means higher quality education (European Management School of Economy and Law is typical name for some silly private college recently opened in unfinished house in city suburbs).

Reason why heavy industry is frown upon lies with the fact that countries of the Eastern block post WWII followed same model as Soviet Union, which was based on rebuilding the country by trying to develop heavy industry to be on par with strong countries like USA or Great Britain. Same thing einstein did with Germany after Great Depression. Results are always grandiose, what killed those countries is bureaucracy that thrived in Soviet implementation of communism, not relying on heavy industry.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Kafein on August 01, 2016, 02:07:35 am
Late to the party, I chuckled.

If you feel so hurt by a joke in bad taste, even though you have no actual link to the catastrophe, maybe you need to take a step back. Those of you calling for censorship, consider your reaction. Does it actually help anyone but yourself? Do you think the victims or anybody else cares about your virtue signaling or your clean conscience? Do we need to elevate every tragedy to a holy symbol under the false pretense that protecting victims from psychological harm is paramount?

Oh well, another night harvesting downvotes from herd animals.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on August 01, 2016, 02:39:42 am
It really is a shame you didn't get killed in a terrorist attack.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Smoothrich on August 01, 2016, 09:40:49 am
I made the same joke on Twitter within seconds of the news breaking by subtweeting a French news outlet asking "Is this some kind of Viral Marketing by SEGA for the next Crazy Taxi?" with a GTA GIF of mowing down pedestrians, so I approve of this thread wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Smoothrich on August 01, 2016, 09:41:41 am
It really is a shame you didn't get killed in a terrorist attack.

That's how I feel whenever I've read any of your posts for the past 4 years now..
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 01, 2016, 12:28:42 pm
Late to the party, I chuckled.

If you feel so hurt by a joke in bad taste, even though you have no actual link to the catastrophe, maybe you need to take a step back. Those of you calling for censorship, consider your reaction. Does it actually help anyone but yourself? Do you think the victims or anybody else cares about your virtue signaling or your clean conscience? Do we need to elevate every tragedy to a holy symbol under the false pretense that protecting victims from psychological harm is paramount?

Oh well, another night harvesting downvotes from herd animals.

The OP was too soon, and you are way too late!
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on August 01, 2016, 10:07:50 pm
That's how I feel whenever I've read any of your posts for the past 4 years now..

Excessively harsh from both of you.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Smoothrich on August 02, 2016, 06:07:12 am
Excessively harsh from both of you.

I'm just here to bring balance to the posts..
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on August 02, 2016, 09:42:16 am
Excessively harsh from both of you.

This cunt said on this forum many times he gives zero fucks about the victims of islamic terrorism since no one he cares about will ever be victims of it, or any of the other many downsides of mass immigration. Narcissistic piece of shit getting his comeuppance would just be sweet poetic justice. If every single victim of islamic terrorism were just as retarded I would feel no sympathy at all for any of them, no more than I would feel sympathy for a Darwin Award idiot bringing about his own death through stupidity, but sadly many aren't and just suffer the consequences of decisions they had no hand in making. If people like Kafein were the only victims of islamic terrorism it would be simple karmic justice. And Smoothrich is a schizophrenic drugged-up goblin looking greasy butterball, he can say whatever he likes, I just find him hilarious.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on August 02, 2016, 10:45:51 am
Yeah, the soft, mewling retards openly destroying their own collectives will never suffer from it. They don't need anyone or anything but their amazing individual prowess, they're not literal leeches profiting from systems they can't even accept exist or denigrate as backwards. You're right Heskey, keep 100% on course, there is absolutely no danger to the populace getting angry. Enjoy Brexit, you oblivious mong.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 02, 2016, 12:50:36 pm
I dont think Oberyn is particularly thriving now or will thrive after a revolution, nor is he claiming he will be on top of the pyramid somewhere in the future, he just feels bliss when he furiously anticipate a brutal change of "political atmosphere" that will be less cognitively dissonant than what we have now. I can completely understand that, I do too, even though I'm not sure we agree on what should be next, there is clearly good reasons to believe that things will change/break/renew themselves in the coming years/decades.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on August 02, 2016, 01:01:23 pm
Lol Heskey pontificating on the "frustrated young white male" while simultaneously shitting on the elderly, "defunct" and "irrelevant", fucking hilarious. Yeah just keep it up you complete bundle of sticks. This rhetoric is so incredibly sucessful. Clearly an important political problem, not the "frustrated young brown males", to take a page from your ironically racist bullshit. The projection is amazing. Smug complacent narcissism, idealistic globalistic bullshit and a "wide net" collective that exists only in your dreams. And yet I'm the head-in-the-clouds "marxist" revolutionary clinging to an unrealistic fantasy that is "inevitable" in my brainwashed mind. Tell me some more how the West is going to reform Islam and anyone who doesn't get it is just "ignorant", hahahaha. Absolute fucking retardedness. Brexit was a good thing in that it was a wake-up call, but clearly it hasn't affected you enough, and as we all know only things that affect you personally are an issue.

What are "people like me" exactly Heskey? I guarantee I make more money than you. Aren't you a fucking university student? What pay exactly are you getting?

Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Paul on August 02, 2016, 05:19:52 pm
Wait, I thought you are both full-time forum warriors.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on August 02, 2016, 06:15:03 pm
I live a pretty comfortable life. I know this is beyond your comprehension, but my angst isn't aimed at my own life, but at where I'm seeing my country and people headed. I prefer realistic doom and gloom to patently retarded wishful thinking masquerading as optimism. Given history, I think I've got precedent on my side.  Sorry that your amazingly condescending strawman isn't accurate.
Keep thinking it's just limited to poor white idiots trying to externalize their failures and old people who clearly aren't as evolved and moraly upstanding as the current younger generation (lol), or that the current generation will not change it's politics with time. I used to be pretty leftist, and life experiences and education changed my mind completely.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Kafein on August 02, 2016, 07:00:34 pm
But Oberyn, how comes you claim to live a pretty comfortable life when all around you some of your countrymen live in poverty? Shouldn't you share your good fortune and make sure none of your fellow native Frenchmen suffer at the hands of foreigners and international finance? If you truly reject individualism, then you should seek to act for the collectivity.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Oberyn on August 02, 2016, 07:12:44 pm
Making more money than a university student isn't exactly a great achievement, so I felt perfectly safe throwing that in your face. I'm comfortably middle class, apparently this means any sort of collective identity felt on my part for other french people is nothing more than superficial hypocrisy. I'm liberal (in the european senseà and completely in favour of trade, with protections to protect sensitive national industries, which are present in literally every major economy in the world for obvious reasons. There's a giant gap between a collective identity and all out ethnic communism, which is basically national socialism. I know that's your immediate go to for anything that has even a hint of nationalist flavour, the ultimate slippery slide to fascism.

As for the reform of Islam being an obligation of the West and a fait accompli, I'll tell you same thing I tell you every time, it's a fucking pipe dream laced with arrogance and blind optimism.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Kafein on August 02, 2016, 11:56:03 pm
Making more money than a university student isn't exactly a great achievement, so I felt perfectly safe throwing that in your face. I'm comfortably middle class, apparently this means any sort of collective identity felt on my part for other french people is nothing more than superficial hypocrisy.

Then what does this collective identity even mean?

I'm liberal (in the european senseà and completely in favour of trade, with protections to protect sensitive national industries, which are present in literally every major economy in the world for obvious reasons.
There's a giant gap between a collective identity and all out ethnic communism, which is basically national socialism. I know that's your immediate go to for anything that has even a hint of nationalist flavour, the ultimate slippery slide to fascism.

Hardly, I just see that your actual views are so edulcorated they share almost nothing with what you write in your fits of rage.
 
As for the reform of Islam being an obligation of the West and a fait accompli, I'll tell you same thing I tell you every time, it's a fucking pipe dream laced with arrogance and blind optimism.

Your reading comprehension skills need to improve.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Xant on August 03, 2016, 12:59:25 am
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 03, 2016, 01:05:44 am
Your reading comprehension skills need to improve.

Xant: I'm so proud of you boy  :cry:
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on August 03, 2016, 01:30:47 am
I just want to say goodbye in case this is the last time more than two people are having discussion on this forum. It was a pleasure, even more than playing Warband: Grind Edition.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Admerius on August 04, 2016, 11:36:36 pm
Regarding that reforming islam part:

http://10news.dk/?p=526 (http://10news.dk/?p=526)

My reaction:
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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Turkhammer on August 05, 2016, 04:35:32 am


The West has no obligation to reform Islam. But if you dont see the benefit of doing so then I hope you keep enjoying your terror attacks lol. Arrogance and blind optimism is thinking attacks will stop any other way.

Ergo, you conclude that Islam is tied to continuing terror attacks.

Exactly how do you propose that the West reforms Islam?  And how will "reforming" Islam by the West (however that would happen) stop ISIS recruits returning to Europe to conduct attacks?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 05, 2016, 12:11:38 pm
The West has no obligation to reform Islam. But if you dont see the benefit of doing so then I hope you keep enjoying your terror attacks lol. Arrogance and blind optimism is thinking attacks will stop any other way.

The reform will have to come from within Islam.
The only thing that the West can do to effectively stop terror attacks is to kill those behind them, cut the head of the snake and all that.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 05, 2016, 04:06:32 pm
- Need to find and put down the ones 'behind' attacks that have already happened. Nothing we didn't already know, the hard part is finding them.
- Finding and ending people behind attacks that haven't happened yet will be a harder task, although that's one of the job of your security services.
- The 'motive' is a religious and cultural one. Changes to the religion or culture around it stand to prevent far more random attacks than these other controls. Already discussed how this may work, but these things take time.

I'm not talking about killing the sheeps that are going to do suicide attacks, I'm talking about the masterminds that plan and order those attacks...
Who cares about the political or cultural motives of those guys? To go that deep into the hole of murder, whatever fuels it, means you get to be expunged from humanity at all cost.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Kafein on August 05, 2016, 04:56:46 pm
Heskey, what do you think about religious profiling from local police? In that I mean to use religion (and some religions specifically) as an indicator of potential crimes.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Admerius on August 06, 2016, 12:59:55 pm
@Kafein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya)

It is not that simple, if this practice(Taqiya) is known and practiced by the suspect, then using a direct religious test(aka. Are you muslim? Y/N) will not be that productive.

1. It is much easier and productive(sadly it's morally/civil rights despicable) to use the majority phenotype of the practitioners of Islamic doctrine(aka. Super-saharan africa, Middle eastern and Central/southern Asian. <- better this than nothing IMO, but we all know that temporary(until better solution) becomes "temporay"(let it be if it makes a voting block prefers me over my competition)

2. Another solution is to vet the persons that are emulating Muhammed's violent period(was it the meccan period?), this is most likely much more resource intense and would need the moderate Muslims(not only the liberal Muslims) to aid us. <- Best solution, but it is very unlikely to be effective in the short term(100+ terror attacks acts of war)

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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on August 06, 2016, 08:24:22 pm


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Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Falka on August 06, 2016, 09:17:01 pm

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"Slavery". Lel

I just want to say goodbye in case this is the last time more than two people are having discussion on this forum. It was a pleasure, even more than playing Warband: Grind Edition.

No need to exaggerate, there's still half a dozen of people.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Radament on August 11, 2016, 07:12:24 pm
meanwhile in UK's ilsamic schools.. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=708_1470922102)

other infos here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3518254/Muslim-school-says-UK-culture-poisonous-Privately-run-madrassah-accused-dividing-communities-teaching-children-extreme-form-Islam.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3518254/Muslim-school-says-UK-culture-poisonous-Privately-run-madrassah-accused-dividing-communities-teaching-children-extreme-form-Islam.html)

apparently this was shot 10+ years ago...
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 11, 2016, 10:33:00 pm
If you believe that thats an accurate picture of every muslim schools you're in for a long ride.
But this shows that there should be a more rigorous inspection of what they are doing. The students and teachers of those schools need to forcefully "emigrate in a muslim country", its actually in their holy book!
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on August 12, 2016, 01:12:23 am
Burkinis banned on Cannes Riviera beaches by French mayor (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/burkinis-banned-on-cannes-riviera-beaches-by-french-mayor/)

Go France!
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Grytviken on August 12, 2016, 08:00:30 pm
I don't see what's wrong with the burka as long as the face isn't covered, alot of catholic women still wear kerchiefs, mainly eastern europeans, it's the same belief that women are not worthy of exposing their head to god.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Angantyr on August 12, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Are you thinking of the hijab? Burqa and niqab usually covers the face aswell.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on August 12, 2016, 09:06:06 pm
If you believe that thats an accurate picture of every muslim schools you're in for a long ride.
But this shows that there should be a more rigorous inspection of what they are doing. The students and teachers of those schools need to forcefully "emigrate in a muslim country", its actually in their holy book!

I highly doubt it would be as long of a ride as youd think. I think someone shared the vid here from Denmark where a woman who really has been to one of those schools and has been researching them said that they are roughly all pretty horrible. While the islamic guy bullshitted infront of the camera and said lies with a straight face and later kept his head down when the woman said that he is full of shit. Not only that the guy was all like "you think we all like that horrible because you all ignorant". And the woman said that its the direct defencemechanism to hide the fact that they actually are just that horrible.

You see when you accuse a Westerner of bigotry, he accepts the obvious fact that mybe he doesnt know enough about the other culture and accepts the fact that he is an insensitive dirtbag. Its common sense and showing respect and I (in some ways) applaud majority the people that try to keep it that way. But in islams case I think we are being taken advantage of. Us shaming ourselves and than us shaming our own people is kinda starting to turn us severely blind to the obvious. I think in some ways id call it blindguilt or something the opposite of blindrage.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 12, 2016, 10:11:59 pm
I think its not that enormous for the simple fact that there is so many moderates.
If every muslims had been at an extremist school there would be much more extremists openly being douchebags a little more often dontchathink?
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Tibes on August 13, 2016, 01:08:19 am
I think its not that enormous for the simple fact that there is so many moderates.
If every muslims had been at an extremist school there would be much more extremists openly being douchebags a little more often dontchathink?

They are being douchebags, mybe not so openly but quite noticeably. What never reaches the medias ears is the internal terror in muslim families. Where basically men have extremely retarded standards set for the families female members. Which if not met will be returned with physical violence and death threats. These cases dont really reveal themselves so much or actually even show to people near them, because the victims are still kinda loving of their abusive family so they generally just keep it quiet. The moderates are many, but these fuckers still cover atleast half of the islamic world. I dont think caution is the sign of xenophobia in this case, but a product of common sense. No? Granted its not a direct threat to us, but it quite clearly shows what the people we are bringing here are capable of.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Leshma on August 13, 2016, 01:26:08 am
I don't see what's wrong with the burka as long as the face isn't covered, alot of catholic women still wear kerchiefs, mainly eastern europeans, it's the same belief that women are not worthy of exposing their head to god.

Read the article. It is against secular values of society. France is not Catholic country, ruled by a monarch. People finally got to their senses and will go harsh on religious bullshit, that also applies to Scientology :P

Wanna go to the beach? Wear bikini that reveals everything and makes hetero males worked up. Don't want to? Fuck off from my beach! That's basically what mayor is saying.

Edit: While we're at it, some British muslim teenage girl joined ISIS awhile ago. Went to Syria, then harsh reality kicked in. Wanted out and while she was planning her escape, place she was standing at was bombed. She is now dead. I feel no pity. Neither should you.Same happened to two Austrian/Bosnian girls few years ago. They were 16, left their parents home to join ISIS. Wanted out but were murdered.

Edit: Also, niqab is invented by Wahhabists. It is literally tool of muslim fundamentalists aka jihadists/terrorists.
Title: Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
Post by: Butan on August 13, 2016, 02:16:07 am
What never reaches the medias ears is the internal terror in muslim families. Where basically men have extremely retarded standards set for the families female members. Which if not met will be returned with physical violence and death threats. These cases dont really reveal themselves so much or actually even show to people near them, because the victims are still kinda loving of their abusive family so they generally just keep it quiet. The moderates are many, but these fuckers still cover atleast half of the islamic world. I dont think caution is the sign of xenophobia in this case, but a product of common sense. No? Granted its not a direct threat to us, but it quite clearly shows what the people we are bringing here are capable of.

I dont think this define extremists, more like rigorists (social pressure inside religious families, come on...). What you hear in that video is not about respecting your own faith and tradition but killing everyone that does not, and I really dont think it illustrate the majority of the islamic schools in our western countries for the reasons above. Lines must be drawn using logic.