Perfect trolling, but to cruel.
Cmon guys, u realy think that's the moment to have fun with that ?If he'd done it like a month or two later, then I would have disagreed, as dark humour is more my territory than anything, but a couple of days after? That's just not cool at all, even for Panos.
Imagine if a french crpg player have lost he's kid or wife at Nice and read this shit..
Try to think sometimes...
#niceattackfight me irl you fucking steel that is bitter i'll kick ur ass because i have trained for over 25 years with my glorious nippon steel katana that can slice through the fabric of reality itself, u made a big mistake ever contacting me thrugh these online forums as right now i am tracking your ip address as my dad works for microsoft, be prepared gaijin, for with my katana i will cut you down for ever making the mishap of talking to me, i bet u wish you could take it back now, but you can't, it's too late. you're already dead kid.
too soon :|
pls why do every1 wanna kill meu fucking what
It isn't too soon. Because shit has hit the fan, modesty and nice manners are going out of fashion. We can still pretend it is all fine but frankly it isn't. Global situation is pretty bad. People becoming used to these things and making jokes reflect how grave situation truly is.
Edit: Don't think Panos is trying to be funny. I see him being bitter and resigned, not laughing and having a good joke on expense of others.
pls why do every1 wanna kill memaybe it's time to convert to islam?
Cynicism is nice but it has some limits :?
You're greek, you're not exactly white
What are greeks then? Marsians? Actually europide = white. And, oh yeah, so are most muslims but people don't want to accept that I guess lmao.
You're either white or marsian, right? And what the fuck is a europide?There's actual colours you know, if you're white you're white, if you're brown you're a friend. If you're black you're a sandfriend. Panos is a friend.
Actually I was kidding, I don't want to be muted again
You're greek, you're not exactly white
I dont give a fuck that I have olive coloured skin, I am a proud Greek.
Oh you think its too soon?
Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?
Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.
A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.
You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.
I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.
You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.
Just been to kavos, shithole
Oh you think its too soon?Panos you know I like you man, but you're basically saying that you're happy that you were right and therefore an event where dozens of innocents get killed brings you joy. Just cause it proves your point. Are you that bitter , bro?
Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?
Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.
A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.
You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.
I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.
You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.
Of course it is, after thousands of waved Brits piss and shit all over the place. Doesn't help Greeks being lazy, not willing to clean up after Brits. They like easy money, hate to work for it.
Swear to me mum, haven't seen worse European crowd than Brits outside Britain.
Even then you'd still lose fuck tons of men from Guerrilla warfare, it's not something you can truly solve through force, it's something that can only be solved by leaving them alone. If the fucking stupid countries didn't attack them they wouldn't HAVE an ISIS to deal with, but they did, and that's their fault, and it's the reason so much death is all around us today.I smell an ostrich.
I´m not supporting our countries right wing because they´re a bunch of degenerate untermensch-baboons, but don´t call me a leftie. Those guys are so far away from reality it hurts my ballsack.(click to show/hide)
I smell an ostrich.Don't forget that you caused this "genocide" that everyone is so worried about. Maybe hm.. Don't start wars you can't finish? Same with us in the UK, we helped start this war. All of the countries involved are the reason ISIS exist, but we can't do jack shit about it now, it's either let ISIS murder innocents or attack ISIS and kill innocents along with them. You want a way to stop ISIS? Nuke them. You'll kill hundreds and thousands of innocents but that is the only way you're ever going to stop them. War won't. Abstention won't.
Say we left them alone for a few years. When they continue to kill themselves at a rate which is btw significantly faster than the rate at which they kill citizens in western countries (More Muslims die to the extremism than westerners, by far (http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslims-are-the-victims-of-between-82-and-97-of-terrorism-related-fatalities-us-government/5516565)) would you then at least concede that "something" needs to be done?
I don't think we (in my case the US) are helping much atm, but ignoring genocide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL) isn't acceptable either.
Imagine if a french crpg player have lost he's kid or wife at Nice and read this shit..Why would he read crpg forum after losing his kid or wife?
Don't forget that you caused this "genocide" that everyone is so worried about. Maybe hm.. Don't start wars you can't finish? Same with us in the UK, we helped start this war. All of the countries involved are the reason ISIS exist, but we can't do jack shit about it now, it's either let ISIS murder innocents or attack ISIS and kill innocents along with them. You want a way to stop ISIS? Nuke them. You'll kill hundreds and thousands of innocents but that is the only way you're ever going to stop them. War won't. Abstention won't.The facts are undeniable. We brought about something worse by removing an already evil dictator (among other things). But the only thing that would be different would be how often these atrocities occur, not by ISIS but another organization. That's why this is a war of ideas and it doesn't matter what we do if we keep our heads in the sand saying "just ignore them and leave it alone. We're the only problem." The problem is that we need to start promoting a reformation within Islam like what the rest of the world's religions have already undergone. Otherwise they're going to continue killing themselves and we're going to continue getting involved (for one reason or another, guilt if nothing else).
I'm not saying that we should let thousands of Muslims die at the hands of ISIS, but I'm also saying that we shouldn't be wasting manpower on something that we're not going to stop.
Panos you know I like you man, but you're basically saying that you're happy that you were right and therefore an event where dozens of innocents get killed brings you joy. Just cause it proves your point. Are you that bitter , bro?
What was going through your head when you've decided to post this joke of yours? It's not funny (and i like all kinds of humor, dark included) and it's certainly not helpful.
The facts are undeniable. We brought about something worse by removing an already evil dictator (among other things). But the only thing that would be different would be how often these atrocities occur, not by ISIS but another organization. That's why this is a war of ideas and it doesn't matter what we do if we keep our heads in the sand saying "just ignore them and leave it alone. We're the only problem." The problem is that we need to start promoting a reformation within Islam like what the rest of the world's religions have already undergone. Otherwise they're going to continue killing themselves and we're going to continue getting involved (for one reason or another, guilt if nothing else).Either way we handle things it's a lose lose situation, the damage has already been done, the way I see it though, if we remove our soldiers we save their lives at the very least. This isn't something that I believe we can deal with, so why do we waste our soldiers lives there? I appreciate that their citizens are dying, but we're out of our depths here. Either way, we both agree that our countries all fucked up in different ways so that's all that matters.
The facts are undeniable. We brought about something worse by removing an already evil dictator (among other things).
And who told you that? CNN? Get your head from ur ass man.He literally just acknowledged that by them starting this they fucked things up, he's not saying they made everything better, they removed an already evil person to only have it replaced with another of the same along with loads more worse factors, whilst I agree we should never have gotten involved, it's way too late now, we already are.
it's always alibi to bomb and steal natural resources. You really think that Obama and Merkel care about some Muslim guy in Middle East?
You are delusional and think that your countries are making this world better. Is it better now? It's shit and it's getting worsen man.
And who told you that? CNN? Get your head from ur ass man.You're putting words in my mouth. My stating how(removal of Sadam creates destabilization) something occurred has nothing to do with stating why(the motive behind said removal) it occurred.
it's always alibi to bomb and steal natural resources.
You really think that Obama and Merkel care about some Muslim guy in Middle East?
You are delusional and think that your countries are making this world better. Is it better now? It's shit and it's getting worsen man.
I don't think we (in my case the US) are helping much atm, but ignoring genocide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL) isn't acceptable either.I specifically stated the opposite of your claim.
The facts are undeniable.
A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks
He literally just acknowledged that by them starting this they fucked things up, he's not saying they made everything better, they removed an already evil person to only have it replaced with another of the same along with loads more worse factors, whilst I agree we should never have gotten involved, it's way too late now, we already are.
Heh, facts. We don't know for certain why ISIL exist, just like we don't know if American intervention is responsible for creation of it. We can make educated guess or simply speak our mind how we feel it is (like I often do) but those opinions aren't facts. None of us have facts regarding those matters. Hell, we don't even have solid facts about everything that happened during WWII. And we never will. Same can be said about most events that occurred in human history. Mathematicians operate with solid facts, historians do not.I wasn't claiming that we had them all, merely that what facts we have (specifically using the word fact here, not opinion), shouldn't be denied, because they're just that: facts. The only fact claimed was that we deposed Sadam and this action destabilized the region significantly. No we can't rewind the clocks to test the prediction that ISIS is actually the direct result of that destabilization, but I haven't heard any informed political figure debate this simple thesis. If you happen to have one, feel free to link it and I'll take a look, but I suspect we might be talking past each other.
Sorry, i bolded the whole sentence, just wanted to bold "evil dictator". Who said he was "evil"? You heard it on TV.Why do people always assume that there is only ever pure evil and pure good and that claiming one thing as evil means that the other must then be good. Stop getting angry over stupid shit like this when none of your claims about me are things I actually believe.
He is the bad guy, you are always the good guys.
Oh you think its too soon?
Too soon compared to what? The Nice attack? The Paris attack?
Oh yeah, lets all mourn, light up some important buildings, until the sand niggs decide their next attack in Europe.
A year a go, give or take, I was posting here at this very forum, about potential muslim attacks, and people kept calling me a fascist, a neo chocolate chip cookie and other names.
You reap what you fucking sow, you fucking liberal cucks.
I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.
You can downvote me all you like, joke is on you.
I am happy, because with 200~ dead French, over 3 terrorist attacks, France will wake the fuck up, and vote for Le Pen, who hopefully will destroy the muslim scum, who cant appreciate Europe.
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The more dead people, the better, and French are not worth that much
Hey Panos, what do you think about your asslicking leadership handing over those military personnel who escaped from turkey via helicopter?Why wouldn't they hand them over? Why should Greece shelter foreign soldiers who failed a coup in their own country?
Oh shit sorry, you can't post. :lol:
btw where do you come from, Materia?
Why wouldn't they hand them over? Why should Greece shelter foreign soldiers who failed a coup in their own country?
I'm just curious what he would say, chillDon't tell me to fucking chILL IA M FUCKING CHILL MOTEHRFUCEKR
gonna take a while though
Don't tell me to fucking chILL IA M FUCKING CHILL MOTEHRFUCEKR
I have to disagree here. Let's say Le Pen elected and successful on his mission. Well i'm sure i can appreciate Europe since i feel like foreigner in my own country but will i be always a threat or a target for them? Cause i'm a muslim in papers
Why wouldn't they hand them over? Why should Greece shelter foreign soldiers who failed a coup in their own country?
Oh I don't know, political asylum maybe?Do you seriously not know how to read? "Political asylum" does not answer the "why" question.
Do you seriously not know how to read? "Political asylum" does not answer the "why" question.
So how will this "kick all muslims out" thing work out? Put them in concentration camps for the time being? I got a muslim co-worker(known Ramadan cheater), who does the ISO certification crap in our company. Who will do it when he's gone? Not me. That shit is crazy, so count me out with your cleansing ideas.
Kinda scary how close the "enlightened" far right and muslim extremists match with their main goal.
Are you retarded or just stupid? If Greece decided to give the soldiers political asylum that would be a reason why they would not hand them back and why they would give shelter to them. That answers both questions with a possible answer. Now, as to why they would give political asylum to them, well you didn't ask that question.No, you fucking mong, the question is obviously WHY Greece would decide to GIVE them the fucking political asylum. Jesus Christ, your IQ can't possibly be higher than 60. I can't even fathom the thought process, or the lack of thought process, that would lead you to the conclusion you came to. It's so stupid my empathy stops working, at around ~90 IQ level I guess.
No, you fucking mong, the question is obviously WHY Greece would decide to GIVE them the fucking political asylum. Jesus Christ, your IQ can't possibly be higher than 60. I can't even fathom the thought process, or the lack of thought process, that would lead you to the conclusion you came to. It's so stupid my empathy stops working, at around ~90 IQ level I guess.
But at least you proved without the slightest doubt that your reading comprehension is the worst on this forum. Congratulations.
Haha, so hilarious that Xant again and again is on about peoples reading comprehension while he himself gets taken in by some completely irrational texts from holocaust deniers.Haha, so hilarious that the Bloody Nine is still butthurt about something completely unrelated. Must be hard to be an emotional mess like you, my sympathies. Also, believing in stupid things you read has nothing to do with reading comprehension, you moron.
I'm so confused :?
Christo: "Why did the citizen call the police when the bank robber showed up at his doorstep instead of hiding him in his basement?"
Xant: "Why would the citizen hide the bank robber in his basement? Why wouldn't he call the police?"
Turkretard: "Oh, I don't know, HIDING HIM IN HIS BASEMENT, maybe?"
Xant: "What? "Hiding him in his basement" doesn't answer the "why" question."
Turkretard: "Hurr durrrr, if the citizen decided to hide the bank robber in his basement, that would be a reason WHY he would not call the police and WHY he would give shelter to him. Now, as to why the citizen would hide him in his basement, u never asked that question!!!"
Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas. Think few of us are asking for anything more.
Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas.
I'll defend a position of 'how exactly do you plan to 'minimize influence' of Islam in a way that will not do more harm than good'.
Cherry picking who gets in EU is past us. More than million people already migrated to Germany, Sweden and other EU countries.
Just let them rant and rave.
It's obvious that the 'progressives' of this forum have only thought as far ahead as 'lets all say that islam I shit, and agree that islam is shit, and talk about DRASTIC ACTION' but never elaborate or go into detail about what that drastic action would be, because they don't know.
Because we live in the real world and let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that everyone in this forum or in a country agreed 'islam is dumb, hurr durr'. That alone isn't going to miraculously stop attacks from happening, no more than the 'tolerance' we have now which is somehow flaunted by the braindead and sexually frustrated as something which society has ever claimed is somehow supposed to be a magic forcefield against terror attacks? 'Hurr hurr, good one leftists your 'tolerance' didn't stop that truck' or 'your tolerance didn't stop those bullets', well neither did any amount of anti-islam circle-jerk (of which there is plenty).
The question has to be, so you have a problem with Islam, what you gonna do about it?
If the answer is 'nothing', then you truly are the king of all cucks, because at least 'leftists' have an end-goal in all this and not taking 'drastic action' (ambiguous) because that would harm the intended end-goal.
But if someone has identified 'this religion is a problem and always will be', and doesn't have in mind a practical solution for 'solving' that problem without going full Nazi (and is not prepared to go that far), then that person is the most infantile backseat driver of them all. Content to always play the role of 'I told you so', when nobody ever even argued that we were living in a utopia where terrorism is impossible, cos I'm pretty sure we're all aware that terrorism is a thing.
Someone thinks their ideology is progressive, can save lives, make their country stronger? Tell me how. The reason the defensive regressive rightists always leap to 'b b b b but you call me a chocolate chip cookie, waaaaaaaa' is because they've yet to come up with a solution that does not include Nazi-like concepts deportation, camps or worse, of a society that exists on the basis of the second class citizen based purely on religious belief. And how are you going to deport the people who were born in your country? And where do you deport them to? Which other country is ever going to agree to that? Who's going to pay for it? What if the people you're trying to deport refuse? What if they dont all wear nametags with 'im a muslim' written on it, y'know, selfishly make your cleanse harder than it sounds at first glance on a retarded videogame forum. And at the end of the day, for all the effort and disruption, and cost, and hatred you'll garner even from well-to-do non-muslims within your country are any of those steps actually going to make you *less* of a terror target? Fat fucking chance.
Oberyn clearly objects to your statement, but will not enlighten us all by stating what was so wrong with it.
Lefties would protest the Catholic church over a sex abuse scandal but defend a different religion (Islam) that is responsible for mass murder by calling all people who speak against it "Islamophobes".
Haha, so hilarious that the Bloody Nine is still butthurt about something completely unrelated. Must be hard to be an emotional mess like you, my sympathies. Also, believing in stupid things you read has nothing to do with reading comprehension, you moron.
Lefties would protest the Catholic church over a sex abuse scandal but defend a different religion (Islam) that is responsible for mass murder by calling all people who speak against it "Islamophobes". I stopped supporting the Catholic Church because I thought the organization was immoral after this information became well known, so again I have no sympathy for people who cannot stop supporting and defending a religion that condones mass murder.
Someone thinks their ideology is progressive, can save lives, make their country stronger? Tell me how. The reason the defensive regressive rightists always leap to 'b b b b but you call me a chocolate chip cookie, waaaaaaaa' is because they've yet to come up with a solution that does not include Nazi-like concepts deportation, camps or worse, of a society that exists on the basis of the second class citizen based purely on religious belief. And how are you going to deport the people who were born in your country? And where do you deport them to? Which other country is ever going to agree to that? Who's going to pay for it? What if the people you're trying to deport refuse? What if they dont all wear nametags with 'im a muslim' written on it, y'know, selfishly make your cleanse harder than it sounds at first glance on a retarded videogame forum. And at the end of the day, for all the effort and disruption, and cost, and hatred you'll garner even from well-to-do non-muslims within your country are any of those steps actually going to make you *less* of a terror target? Fat fucking chance.
It's just every time you point at someones intellectual inabilities my mind reminds me: This is the same guy who called that article scientific. lelWell, rest assured, your opinion matters greatly to me, fantasy_name_here.
No, you fucking mong, the question is obviously WHY Greece would decide to GIVE them the fucking political asylum. Jesus Christ, your IQ can't possibly be higher than 60. I can't even fathom the thought process, or the lack of thought process, that would lead you to the conclusion you came to. It's so stupid my empathy stops working, at around ~90 IQ level I guess.No, you fucking twat, the questions were what you typed. You talk about reading comprehension and you can't even form a proper question in writing. You are presupposing that someone should read your mind to divine your meaning. Sorry I don't read short stories and cartoons. Organize your thoughts before you type.
But at least you proved without the slightest doubt that your reading comprehension is the worst on this forum. Congratulations.
No, you fucking twat the questions were what you typed. You talk about reading comprehension and you can't even form a proper question in writing. You are presupposing that someone should read your mind to divine your meaning. Sorry I don't read short stories and cartoons. Organize your thoughts before you type.The question was aimed to Christo, whose IQ isn't 60, not to you. Or it would have had far more simple language and/or recommendation to ask an adult near you to tell you what it means.
You can't even ask the right question numb nuts. If you want the right answer ask the right question.
The question was aimed to Christo, whose IQ isn't 60, not to you. Or it would have had far more simple language and/or recommendation to ask an adult near you to tell you what it means.
Good to see that the level of discussion keeps to its usual high standards on this forum. At least you people keep raising to the mighty turk's baits...
I notice he didn't answer it though Rant. Perhaps he couldn't decipher it either?He did answer it. Do go on demonstrating your lack of intelligence and reading comprehension. You've dug your way to China soon.
Oberyn is pretty quiet when it comes to question what exactly should be done, yes.
Oh yeah, so quiet. Maybe I'm just not interest in reiterating my points on immigration reform for the 20th time for the benefit of utter retards who will blank on them when convenient and accuse me of being a fascist racist genocide mongerer who just wants to kill all muslims. Search the forums if it's that important to you, I'm done "discussing" with people like Heskey.
TBF we battle on this forum for a long time and I dont even remember you proposing a reform, but maybe I'm too young :mrgreen:
He did, like in thread #1 a year or so ago.(I think you actually asked him specifically, and he answered).
20th July 2016, suddenly a major religion in your country is illegal.
Well, rest assured, your opinion matters greatly to me, fantasy_name_here.
Yes, all the victims of "The War on Terror" are definetely due to imperialistic colonial crusaders, the vast majority were absolutely not victims of mental retarded muslim fanatics ethnically cleansing each other. I'm sure the 2nd and 3rd generation algerians and moroccans that have lived their entire lives in the west slaughtering random people in France were totally just poor victims of "The War on Terror", we should be understanding of their plight, look how insanely discriminated they are, truly the most victimized and opressed people on the entire planet. Suck my dick Thomek.
If, instead, that person is feeling really unique and original they may criticise it and say 'the culture around this religion needs to change, separation of religion and law, the way it's taught in some areas' well no shit Sherlock. Welcome to every non-muslim's opinion ever.That opinion isn't nearly as widely held as I would hope for. Perhaps things are a bit different in the EU (I have heard otherwise), but in the US we have a lot of influential people that would call you a bigot for implying that their culture is somehow lesser, flawed, or simply "imperfect." Just look at the "Gross and Racist" Bill Maher, Sam Harris, Ben Affleck video and the comments beneath it. Most people who use the phrase "regressive leftist" are referring to people like Ben Affleck who won't even admit that Islam has some improving that it needs to do.
The only way to rationalize this is to become comfortable with the idea that some lives are more worth than others. Or that there's a war between west and islam. Suddenly you find yourself with the exact same mindset as Muslim terrorists.It only makes you the same if you fail understand that not all cultures are equally capable of maximizing human wellbeing. What would make you the same, would be which specific actions you did afterwards.
Tydeus, americans in general are a bit disconnected from the rest of the world. No doubt because of the physical barrier.No doubt. It's rather deserving in most cases. I hate the same things about this country that everyone else does. 9 times out of 10 when Paul says "ban NA" it's for a very good reason and I find myself incapable of disagreeing. :lol:
Look at how _bad advisors_ etc informed on the war in Iraq.. I really can't contribute purely evil intent to the US, but a lot of ignorance of how the world works there is for sure. The US are literally hated in many, many parts of the world. I'm a fanboy with some/plenty reservations however. :D
So many horrible governments and dictatorships thrive on the US hate.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36837108Doesn't seem like the best example. A better example would be the reaction to the Charlie Hebdo incident and the following Je suis Charlie slogan. Lots of criticism stating how the murders were of no surprise because they were criticizing Islam, so "what did you think would happen?" Again, if it's not safe to criticize religion(specifically Islam because it's behind in this area), it's going to take significantly longer than we should deem as "affordable" for the proper reformations to take place.
"Man knifes mother and three daughters at French holiday park"
"Local prosecutor Raphael Balland said the motive was still "very vague"."
"According to authorities, the suspect in custody was of Moroccan origin and had been staying on the site with his own family next door to the victims.
Although he had been in trouble with police many years ago, reports said there was no indication of a religious link to the case.
Unconfirmed reports suggested he had objected to the light clothing worn by his victims but Mr Balland said "it's all rumour, the man's not said anything"."
Another poor victim of the War on Terror. His motive is, of course, a complete mystery. We might never really know what reason this man had for stabbing a woman and her children in a park, oh well.
Are you saying war on terror is not to blame at all?That would be obtuse.
Well that's incredibly vague and unrealistic.
Treat an entire religion that exists within your country already as a criminal organisation?
But heaven forbid I accuse you of wanting to deport them lol. So, how EXACTLY is that going to work? Because people will still worship it, and openly, so you arrest every single practicing muslim in your country. I'm the one being unrealistic? Lol
Ban it. So simple! Wow.
Again,
How. Exactly. Is. That. Going. To. Work
20th July 2016, suddenly a major religion in your country is illegal. Everyone worshipping that religion is suddenly breaking the law. Think that through.
Trials will need to happen, prison space needs to be arranged, riots and protests from those Islamic or otherwise who think this is a retarded idea need to be shut down. Not everyone will go quietly, people will defend themselves or defend their neighbours. Newspapers will have a field day about how progressive everyone is being with open conflict in every major city, dead police and dead suspects of worshipping a forbidden religion who didn't manage to survive the arrest.
And this is assuming 100% of law enforcement support the idea, and what of evil muslim policemen who need to be detained first and foremost, can you guarantee you've caught them all?
What of the people who don't want to be found, at least some % of the religion will go underground.
And whilst all this is happening, you think the number of attacks will stop or go down? The existing radicals will flock to you, the existing moderates will have to fight or swallow a massive breach of one of our fundamental freedoms and renounce their religion or go to jail. Non-muslims who have a major issue with such a backwards law being put in place and the serious breach of values held dear by their culture/society/country will have a thing or 2 to say about it too.
Some danish guy for example did some caricatures like 10 years ago, insulting Mohammed and the local islamists there still spit on the hands of the people that gave them asylum etc. Not only that half the middle east lost their shit. Tolerant religion of peace my ass. Cant even tolerate comics....The cartoonist was named Kurt Vestergaard, he has received numerous death threats and two attempts on his life. Once in his house with his five-year-old granddaughter a 28-year-old Somali tried to kill him with an axe. Same story in other countries, many artists are now under full police protection or have had to go into hiding. Early Islamist attempts to combat European free expression was the global Fatwah against Salman Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses. And Theo van Gogh in Holland, who was killed for criticising the treatment of women in Islam by Mohammed Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan citizen, who then tried to decapitate his corpse on the open street (reminiscent of Lee Rigby the British soldier who was hacked to death by two Africans on the streets of southeast London). Or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the female activist working for a reformation of Islam who've had to flee Holland, or Geert Wilders who can only do his political work under serious police protection. And these are not isolated cases.
I really dont understand these cases of "fast radicalisation". 50% of me tells me that Daesh could over-claim some attacks, 50% of me ask how can a normal guy switch from moderate islam to "wahhabist" islam (or whatever, sorry Overdriven but I dont fully believe your theory^^).
Western left wing ideology instigates them, it solidifies their belief that what they are doing are right from two angles, one from the left-wing western hating parties, the other from Islam. Some German politicians posted on twitter that they were angry that the police had shot the axe wielding T, saying it was excessive force.
You can't be seriously denying that the War on terror, as in Iraq Invasion and follow up missions, is a serious factor that contributed to the current situation. Same as Gulf Wars, Pahlavi, sykes pikot, creation of Israels, etc. It all matters.Who are you referring to when you say "you" here? No one since your last post fully qualifies to be the subject of this quoted text based upon the content of any of the recent posts.
Many people who currently say: "Stay the fuck away from those countries, we only will make matters worse like in the past, peace is the only solution" have a similar longing for a simple solution like those of you that are suggesting things like banning all muslim, nuking them, etc. It just isn't as simple as that, either way.
Stupid Künast, that twitter was so fucking stupid only hours after the incident before anything knew anything is widely condemned by everyone. She played right-wings and nationalist right in the cards with that comment.
You can't be seriously denying that the War on terror, as in Iraq Invasion and follow up missions, is a serious factor that contributed to the current situation. Same as Gulf Wars, Pahlavi, sykes pikot, creation of Israels, etc. It all matters.
Many people who currently say: "Stay the fuck away from those countries, we only will make matters worse like in the past, peace is the only solution" have a similar longing for a simple solution like those of you that are suggesting things like banning all muslim, nuking them, etc. It just isn't as simple as that, either way.
They are not the only ones who were oppressed by west.
Who are you referring to when you say "you" here? No one since your last post fully qualifies to be the subject of this quoted text based upon the content of any of the recent posts.
idk if after my last post but there were several people in this thread suggesting something along the line, not?Along the line? I just skimmed through all the previous pages to make sure, and maybe I missed one post, but no, not really. There were several calls to limit or stop further immigration, not to kick them out. I actually saw multiple instances of people explicitly saying they were not talking about retroactively kicking immigrants/muslims out.
Control who comes into our countries, only take in people who seem worthwhile (standard procedure in the past and still currently the policy in sane societies such as the Australian) and only in numbers that they can be assimilated and to get the number of immigrants down proportionally (below 10% of the population, preferably 5%), and combat actively the spread of fundamentalist ideas.
I never mentioned deporting all Muslims but I sure as shit wouldn't want more coming knowing the facts that more Islam = more terrorism, it's just a fact and you are in denial if you think otherwise.
Also look at who is +'ing which posts, specifically Angantyr's post in this case.
You should vote Shillary. Trump is just populist talk to get into presidential seat. Doubt he'll do any of things he says he'll do. Businessman first, that is old Donald.
Shillary, she's the evil one. Would gladly nuke the whole country if necessary. It is hilarious that liberal left look at her like savior of mankind. Well it will help them with their issues, by doing the dirty work while they protest and draw heart breaking pictures on building walls.
You should vote Shillary. Trump is just populist talk to get into presidential seat. Doubt he'll do any of things he says he'll do. Businessman first, that is old Donald.It's just a disgrace that those are our fucking options. Going back to what Thomek was saying about the rest of the world hating the US.
Shillary, she's the evil one. Would gladly nuke the whole country if necessary. It is hilarious that liberal left look at her like savior of mankind. Well it will help them with their issues, by doing the dirty work while they protest and draw heart breaking pictures on building walls.
Trump wants the US to disband NATO and improve relations will Russia, seems like a good idea to me. Europeans are becoming a liability, they are far too gone and their far left trash ideology is spreading over here. I used to think Putin was evil cus media is biased here, especially CNN who hopefully we will find out in the wiki leaks aided Islamists in Turkey stage a fake coup with Erdotard.Does he though? Do we actually know what trump wants to really do? He changes his mind hourly. Says anything to get media attention, which they gladly do. Instead, he has called for multiple plans that would either be catastrophic if introduced, or could only be done by cutting serious funding in things we really need (education, transportation, health care, NASA, public safety, etc).
It's just a disgrace that those are our fucking options. Going back to what Thomek was saying about the rest of the world hating the US.
No fucking wonder.
Does he though? Do we actually know what trump wants to really do? He changes his mind hourly. Says anything to get media attention, which they gladly do. Instead, he has called for multiple plans that would either be catastrophic if introduced, or could only be done by cutting serious funding in things we really need (education, transportation, health care, NASA, public safety, etc).
It's so hard to actually know what we would really be like. The only thing he has shown is a lack of knowledge, which isn't something you want in a president. Shillary is at least knowledgeable, unfortunately she's been rather lacking on the general topic of this thread.
Grytvitken, you're scientologist for fuck's sake, your opinion ain't worth shit.
Going back to what Thomek was saying about the rest of the world hating the US.
No fucking wonder.
Tom Cruise for president!
When I was ten years younger and part of a different gaming community, one 15 year (American) kid asked the question. Why world hates United States?
Thing is, world don't hate United States. It is worse than that. Full blown hatred on United States would imply jealousy. Most Americans I had pleasure to chat with have pretty much same opinion, how outsiders are jealous of American success and hate America because of it.
Rest of the world don't think that America is the best country in the world and generally dislike it because USA tend to have their fingers in things that shouldn't concern them. No one likes police, not even Americans. Naturally, rest of the world don't like world policeman aka USA.
Best thing about USA, for me personally, are prices of tech. Rest, I can live without it.
Best thing about USA, for me personally, are prices of tech. Rest, I can live without it.
No you can't. Name me your 10 top favorite bands honestly. Top 10 movies. Top 10 Tv shows. Top 10 games.
Tom Cruise for president!I'm voting for the Vermin Supreme, I want a free pony
I don't need to live in America to enjoy their entertainment lol
Edit: But while you're at it. There are some American stuff in my top ten lists but it ain't overwhelmingly dominant, as someone would expect. Music is almost exclusively of British origin (greatest rocks bands are from UK). Games, something that should be extremely strong point for USA, are mix of American, Japanese and European games. Movies, well Hollywood dominates in there because I'm not much of a film aficionado to watch European and Oriental cinematography. TV shows, a lot of stuff from UK actually.
It's so Isolated here from the problems of Europe, Africa, Asia. Since so much of NA and SA is based on the same general culture of Christian/Western Europe, there's far less instability from severe culture clash.Though parts of Europe has more Muslims and there's increasing tension these days the US is more multi-cultural than Europe and has to deal with ethnic friction and identity politics to a larger degree. Soon white Americans will be a minority in their own country. Don't judge it by the apocalyptic atmosphere you sometimes get from Europeans on this forum or from media, if you look at the actual numbers Europeans have had very homogenous societies and are not used to the intense immigration that is a part of for example America's history. Though of course Europe was already multi-ethnic European by itself before ME and African overpopulation led to the current migration waves. But yes, the US is otherwise geographically isolated so Europe has to bear the brunt of current third world migration, and the US also don't have the kind of welfare society many of these people come to Germany and Sweden for.
The US is way more multi-cultural than Europe and suffer from ethnic friction and identity politics to a much larger degree.
So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim.
When you consider the full history of the USA, they have been doing fucking great. They have been multicultural since they were created.Well, it really hasn't. The primary culture it is built on, which has built everything from infrastructure to its institutions, is European culture. But sure, they had to live with all their imported slaves not in colonies like we did but actually in their own backyards, and the history of the trouble that has brought is long and bloody and still ongoing. The country is very large though so people can clump up in ethnic regions, that's is basically the extent of diversity outside certain areas in the major cities. Take a look at the maps here, how black and white communities still live apart to a very high degree (same can be seen in interracial marriages btw.) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35255835
Except for the femichocolate chip cookies, the BLM movement and mexican drug immigration, the US shows us that its possible to build a powerful and solid nation full of different people; but to maintain that is hard.
Along the line? I just skimmed through all the previous pages to make sure, and maybe I missed one post, but no, not really. There were several calls to limit or stop further immigration, not to kick them out. I actually saw multiple instances of people explicitly saying they were not talking about retroactively kicking immigrants/muslims out.
Also look at who is +'ing which posts, specifically Angantyr's post in this case.
Yes.
Does he though? Do we actually know what trump wants to really do? He changes his mind hourly. Says anything to get media attention, which they gladly do. Instead, he has called for multiple plans that would either be catastrophic if introduced, or could only be done by cutting serious funding in things we really need (education, transportation, health care, NASA, public safety, etc).
It's so hard to actually know what he would really be like. The only thing he has shown is a lack of knowledge, which isn't something you want in a president. Shillary is at least knowledgeable, unfortunately she's been rather lacking on the general topic of this thread.
I'd settle for some sort of rational, discriminatory immigration policy. Close the borders to further muslim immigration, end of story.
Angantyr, do you also think Overdriven is trash because he is a Muslim?
Angantyr, do you also think Overdriven is trash because he is a Muslim?No. I've had Muslim friends and many of my co-workers and students have been Muslim. Would I think he would be better off without Islam or any religion? Yes. But otherwise I think he seems like a decent guy from what little I know of him from these forums.
My impression was that he chose it, at least partly, out of love for a woman.
Convert to the most fucked up religion on the planet, whose countries are uniformly backwards fucking theocracies that produce NOTHING of worth except the extraction of natural resources that just happen to lie within their geographic borders, looking down on the US and calling it a place with a "sheer ammount of crap" wrong with it. If there was a hypothetical choice to make a group of people just vanish from the planet, the 300 or so million people in the US or the 1.3 billion muslims, I know which I'd pick. It's not even a choice, really. I'd settle for the scumfuckers to stay in their shitholes personally, instead of infecting places lightyears ahead of them in every single way.
Yup, and he left his christian (anglican?) religion to do it. Strangely enough he doesn't have to flee the country or hide in fear for his life or receive endless, very credible death threats or be deemed a "supressive" person and cut off by every other christian he has ever known, including his family. What do you think would happen if he suddenly divorced and left his newfound religion? Hmmm I wonder. But regressives have deemed muslims a protected, opressed class composed entirely of PoC, and in the progressive stack logic that makes them untouchable, so the apostates are left to fend on their own, if not outright ignored and vilified, for the benefit of the real protected class. The hypocrisy when it comes to the regressive criticism of "native" christianity goes without saying.
No. I've had Muslim friends and many of my co-workers and students have been Muslim. Would I think he would be better off without Islam or any religion? Yes. But otherwise I think he seems like a decent guy from what little I know of him from these forums.
My impression was that he chose it, at least partly, out of love for a woman.but maybe it was out of love for self exploding
but maybe it was out of love for self exploding
-falls in love with woman
-gets cut for her
-leaves him because bs reasons
-can't even masterbates easily anymore
...
-explodes
It all makes sense now.
I believe there's still quite a lot of choices before it comes to that, unlike a lot of "moderate" muslims. It comes from having a society that isn't a violent theocratic or authoritatian shithole (yet).
So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim. Well you're a cowardly surrender-happy Frenchman, no wonder you cant cope with immigration or anything that requires a couple of testicles to contend with. You've been wanting to 'surrender' the refugee crisis since day 1 xD so roll over and get fucked by more islamists, you are French after all so at least you're playing to type.Barring the harsh language used (though he didn't say overdriven was trash, nor did he attack HIM necessarily until you put the words in his mouth), everything Oberyn said about what Muslims produce nowadays is true. Once the heart of science and discovery, now is promissory of diminutive scientific influence. 1.3-1.6 billion Muslims, two Nobel Prizes in science. Had the rise of anti-rationalism never taken hold in the Muslim world and influenced Islam so heavily, perhaps half(or more) could be attributed to Muslims nowadays.
Unlike Overdriven who has displayed none of these qualities you hate him so rationally for as a muslim. You are truly the most retarded, braindead, backwards piece of shit on this forum, and although innocent people should never have to suffer I am personally glad that it is your country that is being fucked right now, it is poetic justice to watch you splutter and attempt to seem more outraged after each attack, when you've already proven yourself to be a joke blowing your load over menial shit in the past. If you get as angry over Krems trolling as you do over 100s dead in your country, you know you're retarded. And no matter how hard you stomp your feet, or that vein in your forehead throbs, you cant rage harder than you already were long before any attacks. But by all means, keep trying to pretend that these attacks have given you a more radical perspective, if nothing else then for my singular pleasure.
Heh, I think Oberyn can take the insults, its not like he is shy or anything.If it were as simple as only insulting Oberyn, I wouldn't have anything to say on the topic. By all means, go at Oberyn. Condemning random countrymen of his simply because they're his countrymen though? Maybe heskey meant it, maybe he didn't, maybe he just didn't think about what he was saying. I know another person who seems to not always think about everything he says too.
Condemning random countrymen of his simply because they're his countrymen though?
So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim.
Yes.
Yes.If someone says thing A, then you interpret it as thing B and ask if he said thing B, he didn't say it until you put the words in his mouth. So yes, I read that more accurately than you did.
Do you even read? Maybe I did put the words in his mouth, but he said them and it was sufficient to get around the pages and pages of 'you say I think X! I don't think X at all' without ever stating what he does think. Well now, we have it.
As for the rest, i'll talk on Oberyn's level if I fancy. It's been allowed perfectly fine up to this point, and I'm enjoying the results.
After all, I clearly only don't have an issue with the muslims in my country because I'm afraid of causing offence (you can tell by the way I talk that causing offense deeply concerns me). And my position has never been treat everyone lovely, I've never claimed to be the nice guy in all this. My position is that we should do everything possible to punish the trash, individuals who are proven to be dangerous, breaking the law, threatening violence, whatever.
Where I'm 'radical' in defending islam, is that out of all muslims I've personally known in my country not a single one of them falls into that category. If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people. I'm not down with that. This does not mean I'm a paragon of love and forgiveness, if an individual terrorist butchers civilians then hang-draw-and-quarter them in public for all I care regardless of whether he's sorry or not.
For me what this comes down to is, does any action from individuals of a religion justify punishment of everyone? I will violently defend my position that it does not, that's not how our society or our laws work.
I didn't condemn any of his countrymen for being his countrymen, I quite clearly stated that innocents should never have to suffer in situations such as these. I absolutely put thought into it as I was typing it, specifically the ways in which it could be misconstrued - since we all know these forums fairly well by now.
"If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people."What is meant by "punish" here? Are you referring to something specific or using the term generally?
I think he doesn't mind. After all he doesn't mind that Panos is happy because of death of 200 frenchmen.Irrelevant to the point I was making though.
I'm one of Oberyn's countrymen and I understand HeskeyTime bout. Used to feel his way, got real mad at Oberyn or Dave once or twice :mrgreen:
and don't you feel like a proper twat now that he's deadDaveUKR? And by dead do you actually mean dead, or simply no longer a part of this community?
And I do indeed see the difference, one of my quotes contains a fullstop at the end, the other does not.
He agreed when i asked that thing B is exactly what he was saying, so clearly I read what he was actually saying better than you for me to get such succinct clarification from him.Benefit of the doubt, that's why.
And my preface absolutely confirms that I'm not condemning his countrymen. Butan gets it, why dont you?
If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people.
What is meant by "punish" here? Are you referring to something specific or using the term generally?
lolNot saying other ethnicities don't belong in the US of course, but it has had a European-American majority since its founding.
Wow this shit deteriorated pretty damn quick.
Barring the harsh language used (though he didn't say overdriven was trash, nor did he attack HIM necessarily until you put the words in his mouth), everything Oberyn said about what Muslims produce nowadays is true. Once the heart of science and discovery, now is promissory of diminutive scientific influence. 1.3-1.6 billion Muslims, two Nobel Prizes in science. Had the rise of anti-rationalism never taken hold in the Muslim world and influenced Islam so heavily, perhaps half(or more) could be attributed to Muslims nowadays.
Well, it really hasn't. The primary culture it is built on, which has built everything from infrastructure to its institutions, is European culture. But sure, they had to live with all their imported slaves not in colonies like we did but actually in their own backyards, and the history of the trouble that has brought is long and bloody and still ongoing. The country is very large though so people can clump up in ethnic regions, that's is basically the extent of diversity outside certain areas in the major cities. Take a look at the maps here, how black and white communities still live apart to a very high degree (same can be seen in interracial marriages btw.) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35255835
I'm also not surprised, nor has anyone been since its founding, that America would take a leading role in industry, considering its vast size, immense ressources and near unheard of defensible natural borders.
I was actually surprised that Oberyn would settle for a surprisingly realistic immigration policy though. I mean you get the feeling he wants to burn 1.3 Billion people.
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Now, I also do think Overdriven, although a fool, behaves way classier than Oberyn does, generally.
I never got that impression. I think he just wants to burn the idiots who want to bury their heads in the sand and deny that unbridled immigration is not the best thing ever.
I never got that impression. I think he just wants to burn the idiots who want to bury their heads in the sand and deny that unbridled immigration is not the best thing ever.
From the ninja I used to enjoy trampling with my horse I'll take that! :)
Thing is I don't think me or Heskey have ever argued that unbridled immigration is a good idea. I'm all for more controls. It's the general all round hate of everything to do with a religion, with no consideration for the vastly differing people who practice it that we disagree with. Oberyn seems to put everyone associated with Islam under one umbrella and that's a very narrow field of view.
That would already quite a lot of millions people to burn though!
Take a look at the inside of the railway car in Germany that was the site of the axe attack and think about being locked in that car with the axe man with nothing but your bare hands and tell me that in that extremity you would not opt to have and use a pistol to stop him. I know all the arguments about the crowd rushing him, and the possibility of being hit by a stray bullet. My opinion is that they pale when compared to the reality of facing a man with an axe who has murderous intent.
To take an example that I'm sure will rapidly derail this thread as it normally does, when I mention 'gun control' (as I so often do), I'm not stating guns as the motive for murder (lol, how would that even?) but the means. Means and motive being two entirely different things, talking about potentially preventable factors such as the tools an individual person can use to easily inflict mass murder is not *instead* of any discussion about their motive, which in recent times is frequently radical Islam.
Yes, in my mind one thing is easier to control in the short term and could deliver more immediate gratification than the other in a real world setting, whilst there is no quick way to reform Islam but this more difficult path will have by far the most positive impact. Fortunately, this is not a Telltale game where you only get 1 option and it's either 'control weapons' (as a example, just an example before you explode lol) or 'de-radicalise Islam', both of these things can be happening at the same time (or neither). I choose this example because down both of those paths you will be met with angry resistance by those who wish to defend their way of life, the way they *know* to be best.
I figured someone here wouldn't be able to resist the gun point.Well you raised it and I'm always happy to debate it.
If I find myself in that situation I'd be much happier for the man to have an axe than a gun. I fancy my chances of at least surviving that encounter, relatively speaking.
We don't live in a magic dreamworld where only I would be allowed a gun and he'd still be coming at me with an axe. Far more likely in any world where I possess a gun, so does he. And frankly, my odds of survival were much better in a crowded train with an axeman.
The right to defend one's life is important, which is why I significantly favour the system that gives me and others around me the best possible chance of survival. I still have the right to defend myself, I'm just less likely to be facing someone who could easily kill me without significant effort on their part.
Only that if the terrorist has a gun, you'll be dead before you know it and if he has an axe you'll atleast have the chance to defend yourself.
Only that if the terrorist has a gun, you'll be dead before you know it and if he has an axe you'll atleast have the chance to defend yourself.Nope, any situation where you would be dead before you know it if the terrorist had a gun you would also be dead before you know it if the terrorist had an axe/knife/machete/shovel, e.g., sleeping or completely unaware of your surroundings.
Oh so he's going to shoot all the people in the rail car simultaneously? What's he got a multibarreled gun with each barrel pointed at every persons' head?
Nope, any situation where you would be dead before you know it if the terrorist had a gun you would also be dead before you know it if the terrorist had an axe/knife/machete/shovel, e.g., sleeping or completely unaware of your surroundings.
A pedo and 2 jihadists dead, good day for France
now reporting that the priest was beheaded inside the Church
A pedo and 2 jihadists dead, good day for France
Both the far right and radical islam can agree on one thing at least, that those are not 'real' muslims (except for the purposes of immigration in which case they still count and shouldn't be allowed in).
I joke, I joke, they agree on more than just that.
Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an axe?Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an AK and a pistol?
I'd rather be in a room with others being charged with an axe than sudden gun shots, boom, the guy next to me just got a bullet in his head, what do I do, wheres my gun, I'm panicking. He killed another four and now I'm dead.Unfortunately your personal fears and feelings don't matter.
Exactly, hence why guns are rigorously controlled in most of Europe. Regardless of what any gun-nut may desireYou're still gay.
Exactly, hence why guns are rigorously controlled in most of Europe. Regardless of what any gun-nut may desire
Oh, sorta like in the rail car where he successfully killed a ton of people with an AK and a pistol?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_train_attack
Nice argument bro
Unfortunately your personal fears and feelings don't matter.
A 28-year-old Frenchman, whose name was released only as "Damien A.", was heading to the toilet as the armed gunman was exiting.[13] Damien A. attempted to restrain or disarm the gunman but fell to the floor in the ensuing struggle. An American-born Frenchman, 51-year-old Mark Moogalian,[13] attempted to wrest the rifle from the gunman, who then drew an automatic 9mm Luger pistol.[1][2][22] Moogalian was shot through the back of the neck; seriously injured, he played dead.[13][15][23][24][25] The assailant also tried to fire his rifle, but it jammed.[15]
The gunman was then tackled and subdued by a group of three American friends, two of them off-duty members of the U.S. Armed Forces.[23][26][27] They were identified as 23-year-old Airman First Class Spencer Stone,[28] 23-year-old Anthony Sadler,[29][30] and 22-year-old Specialist Alek Skarlatos.[22][31][32][33] Sadler told CNN that Skarlatos yelled "Get him!" after which "Spencer immediately gets up to charge the guy, followed by Alek, then myself."[18] In an interview with Sky News, Skarlatos added that they had been lucky that the attacker's rifle had jammed.[34]
Did you even read what you linked?Depict what you said? You said if someone had a gun you'd die unaware. That guy had a gun, people did not die unaware. They stopped him and took less damage than the person with an axe caused.
How does that depict what I said? The gunman encountered some brave guy just as he was exiting, was wrestled down only for two trained U.S Armed Forces soldiers to finish it. Now imagine if Mr. Damien didn't head to the toilets, the gunman would open fire on non-suspecting civilians. They would be absolutely slaugthered. So they were very lucky.
Now switch the scenario for an axe wielding man.
But hey, nice argument bro.
Right, you convinced me, the gun jammed and one incredibly lucky scenario went down in that attack, defnitely would rather fight off an AK-47 at 20ft away with my fists then an axe because of that.I guessed right, the point about anecdotal evidence flew right over your head and you double down instead. Don't join the debate team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting
It's your turn now.
How so? Is that not what happened? Should we base all gun crimes to this one and pretend something else wouldn't have happened if they didnt encounter eachother in the exact same second? I guess we'll wait for next one, it won't be as pretty with a firearm. And I rather get debate tips from Heskey, he's much more of a *nuisance*Like, do you not know what anecdotal evidence is? Is that what this is? That's about the only reason I can think of why you're still so confused. The single incident where the gunman didn't manage to kill anyone doesn't prove anything, nor does the incident from 25 years ago where a gunman killed six people....
Yeah, alright, I admit that was not at all what I was thinking about. Using logical sense, it is easier to kill with a then an axe, and even if everyone in that train had a gun the chances are slim you'll always have combat experienced soldiers ready to tackle the problem.A US air force intake clerk for children is a combat experienced soldier? Or do you perhaps mean Alek Skarlatos, who was never in combat?
A war-zone deployed military trained soldier praised for his courage.So "combat experienced soldiers" turned to "one of them had been in a "war-zone" (=stood post while having to watch afghans fuck goats) for a few months."
Yep, point is,What are you even talking about? An unarmed National Guard soldier isn't a civilian with a gun? Uhm... no shit? By definition? So what? Why should he be a civilian with a gun? What is the point you're trying to make?
"A war-zone deployed military trained soldier praised for his courage." =/= Civilian with a gun
But I'm glad you can realise that and move on to bashing me for a mistake.
Yeah, alright, I admit that was not at all what I was thinking about. Using logical sense, it is easier to kill with a then an axe, and even if everyone in that train had a gun the chances are slim you'll always have combat experienced soldiers ready to tackle the problem.
Holy fuck,I haven't derailed anything. I already comprehensively destroyed your argument by showing you anecdotal evidence is not proof, and you didn't even know what anecdotal evidence is. You acknowledge this, and then go on to use the same anecdotal evidence to further try to argue your point. What else is there to do but to talk about something else?
http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htm
I've always imagined how annoying it is to argue with you since you ALWAYS derail from anything and everything to take useless points about something irrelevant.
It really shouldn't be that hard to follow up on these posts.
You then proceed to correct me, in which I stand corrected and point AGAIN to this ^
http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htmThanks, another notch in the old six shooter.
Sure it does, I'm gonna go and see if I can get some brain cells back since this is mostly pointless.
Oh right, so you'll have to hope he doesnt aim at you first, he then got the time to shoot five-six people? Or were you trained at the witcher school so you have enchaned senses that you wont be shocked by the blood and scream and gunshots and will pull out your gun as soon as you see him and emerge a hero? You sound like a COD kid.
I'd rather be in a room with others being charged with an axe than sudden gun shots, boom, the guy next to me just got a bullet in his head, what do I do, wheres my gun, I'm panicking. He killed another four and now I'm dead.
Right, you convinced me, the gun jammed and one incredibly lucky scenario went down in that attack, defnitely would rather fight off an AK-47 at 20ft away with my fists then an axe because of that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting
It's your turn now.
Damn, reading The Sun :PYea playing with hand grenades is totally normal street crime
Anyway, the guy was shot in the leg, not that bad. Not sure if you can call it 'another shooting' as in, that's another terrorist attack.
I'm fairly pleased considering half of Malmö are immigrants and there's not that much trouble. It's like a huge ghetto, but as a swede I'd never put my foot there.
Yea playing with hand grenades is totally normal street crime
https://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/
At least there is the possibility that you won't be shot first instead of impotently waiting to be shot last or shot while fruitlessly charging him.
So your solution is to be shocked by the blood and screams and shots and have nothing but bare hands to react with?
It's not a question of being a hero. Survival with all the body parts I boarded the train with is the motivation.
Training can do much to make drawing and using a weapon muscle memory. A COD kid is the antithesis of that.
Like I said, that's Malmö, has been like that for a while now. There's still nothing pointing to any of it being a terrorist attack. Last one we had was in 2010 or something.
are you actually saying that places like the USA are safer than places like Europe because USA has more guns? What western Europe is suffering now is pretty much what the USA has all the time..
Damn, reading The Sun :P
are you actually saying that places like the USA are safer than places like Europe because USA has more guns? What western Europe is suffering now is pretty much what the USA has all the time..Did I say that? No, I said that if I were in a situation such as has been described I would have a greater chance of successfully defending myself with a pistol than without one. I agree that a greater amount of guns available means that the chance of encountering an individual with one is greater. However in one on one crime a knife will kill just as well as a gun. Statistics are a cold comfort at that point.
Did I say that? No, I said that if I were in a situation such as has been described I would have a greater chance of successfully defending myself with a pistol than without one. I agree that a greater amount of guns available means that the chance of encountering an individual with one is greater. However in one on one crime a knife will kill just as well as a gun. Statistics are a cold comfort at that point.
Guns are superior for killing in any environment. There are also guns made for any environment. Or you would see special forces raiding hijacked planes with machetes. Machete urban combat etc.
Would you rather face a knife with your bare hands?
lmao
merkel: "terrorists want to weaken our capacity to take in refugees"
lmaoThat is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Top tier head in the sand logic. Link to where she said this for future quoting purposes?
merkel: "terrorists want to weaken our capacity to take in refugees"
That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Top tier head in the sand logic. Link to where she said this for future quoting purposes?It's from a Finnish article about Merkel's speech on Thursday. Only found some quotes from her speech in English, not the full of thing.
Less refugee? No no no no... you don't understand..... Merkel is secretly muslim.......she the head of state of both Germany and Daech.....
Yes
If youre decent in fighting, or just relatively strong, then you could probably take a person with a knife down. You might get stabbed or cut, but adrenalin too stronk. Or you could like Paul mentioned, simply run away.
Possibilities:
- You're trolling with that answer because you don't wish to admit that if put to the test the answer would really be no.
- You're naive and stupid enough to really mean yes.
What happens to the person that is not physically strong or a trained fighter? Just too bad for them huh? Some people have to be victims right? Yes you may get stabbed in the heart, or jugular vein. Good luck with adrenaline carrying you through that. Ask Paul where are you going to run to inside a moving train car. Running, if you are able to physically and with safety (why would you turn your back on a person with a knife and ask for a stab in the back?) is probably the best option. But sometimes retreating is not an option.
If youre not stron enough you run away, simple as. If you manage to get stabbed in the heart while trying to defend yourself youre aboslutely worthless at defending yourself, a vein maybe, but even then the adrenaline will probably keep you up for a while. I've seen videos of people getting stabbed in the throat, but still walking it off for at least a bit. Adrenaline is super OP, youd be surprised how many stab wounds some people can take and still fight fully for their lives.You have no idea what you're talking about.
Stabbing someone moving away from you is, at least i can imagine, way harder than someone moving towards you or standing still just to take it. It's tough to take someone down like that, maybe a wound or two but its going to be really hard to get anything vital.
Honestly its probably really hard to kill someone thats aware of your intents when using a knife.
Oh well, this forum redpilled me on my (lack of) common sense. So I thought it would be obvious that a gun trumps a knife most of the time but I have been mistaken. The "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" saying had been a joke all along.Yeah because sayings are always the ultimate truth, just like "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger:"
You have no idea what you're talking about.
This adrenaline magic also apparently only works against knife wounds but not gunshot wounds.
Having had a gun and a knife pulled on me in my youth, I must say I felt worst seeing a knife, just an erie feeling, it's so personal, gun feels cold and fast way to go, knife is scary, plus there's a feeling the guy won't actually pull a trigger, the chance of getting slashed is far greater.
I didnt say the adrenaline doesnt work for gun wounds as well, i just said that fighting a knife-wielding person gives you a greater chance of survival. And so id say its less dangerous.The gun needs to be reloaded, can be grabbed and offers no advantage to the wielder in close contact. Civilian shootings aren't combat situations, you don't get sniped by Delta Force from 2 miles out before you have a chance to react. So many people die in shootings because they're so shocked that they just stand still and wait to be shot, an interesting description was given by the singer of the band in France whose concert was attacked, people being a meter from safety but just waiting to be killed instead.
Obviously depends on where the gun and knife hits, but the gun in general has more power, speed and range. And depends on what gun. Before you can retaliate against a gun you could be filled with 5 holes, while against a knife you could probably get somewhat of a grapple without taking more than one or two cuts/stabs.
Whaaaats going on here?
People claiming a knife is more lethal than a gun, people claiming you could expect to neutralize a knife-wielding guy with your bare hands, Xant posting stupid shit filled with sarcasm. Wow, Im impressed.
She's full of shit. EU are doing their best to stop immigrants to enter. She's trying to get political points from liberal leftist cucks because there is no way in hell she'll get votes from right wing supporters. Fighting for her own life.Politicians already are professionals. That's part of the problem.
Another proof that politicians are nasty people and should be replaced by professionals.
Maybe they are, in this fucked up world. You see, biggest issue we have are professionals who don't create any value. Politicians, lawyers, clerks, economists. There is no visible end product of their work, it is all virtual. And not in a good sense of being virtual, like worlds or tools created by programmers. What humanity needs to do, is to purge non creative professionals.
Leshma the Builder, 2016 AD
Edit: My country has hundreds of thousands of people who studied law and economy. Managers of all sorts, government workers, lawyers, those kind of people. Because of that we lack skilled workers, those who carry economy forward by creating something. We just can't pay all them wankers, because we have no industry, no proper economy. If it was up to me, I would close down all schools which aren't producing workers. Until we reach some balance.
(I have no idea how its called in nonestonian)We call "nonestonian" English, just a FYI for future reference.
Correct me if im wrong but isnt that kinda the problem of the Unis and tradeschools(I have no idea how its called in nonestonian)? If there is an abundance of skilled workers in some fields, you lower the amount of people accepted or raise the standards of completion so high only extremely skilled individuals get the diploma.
-1 mybe for the crushed dreams of many young people, but I think overall the economy gained more than it lost. You can outsource if lacking. If its overabundance of skilled workers you are dealing with local unemployment.
It really is a shame you didn't get killed in a terrorist attack.
Late to the party, I chuckled.
If you feel so hurt by a joke in bad taste, even though you have no actual link to the catastrophe, maybe you need to take a step back. Those of you calling for censorship, consider your reaction. Does it actually help anyone but yourself? Do you think the victims or anybody else cares about your virtue signaling or your clean conscience? Do we need to elevate every tragedy to a holy symbol under the false pretense that protecting victims from psychological harm is paramount?
Oh well, another night harvesting downvotes from herd animals.
That's how I feel whenever I've read any of your posts for the past 4 years now..
Excessively harsh from both of you.
Excessively harsh from both of you.
Making more money than a university student isn't exactly a great achievement, so I felt perfectly safe throwing that in your face. I'm comfortably middle class, apparently this means any sort of collective identity felt on my part for other french people is nothing more than superficial hypocrisy.
I'm liberal (in the european senseà and completely in favour of trade, with protections to protect sensitive national industries, which are present in literally every major economy in the world for obvious reasons.
There's a giant gap between a collective identity and all out ethnic communism, which is basically national socialism. I know that's your immediate go to for anything that has even a hint of nationalist flavour, the ultimate slippery slide to fascism.
As for the reform of Islam being an obligation of the West and a fait accompli, I'll tell you same thing I tell you every time, it's a fucking pipe dream laced with arrogance and blind optimism.
Your reading comprehension skills need to improve.
The West has no obligation to reform Islam. But if you dont see the benefit of doing so then I hope you keep enjoying your terror attacks lol. Arrogance and blind optimism is thinking attacks will stop any other way.
The West has no obligation to reform Islam. But if you dont see the benefit of doing so then I hope you keep enjoying your terror attacks lol. Arrogance and blind optimism is thinking attacks will stop any other way.
- Need to find and put down the ones 'behind' attacks that have already happened. Nothing we didn't already know, the hard part is finding them.
- Finding and ending people behind attacks that haven't happened yet will be a harder task, although that's one of the job of your security services.
- The 'motive' is a religious and cultural one. Changes to the religion or culture around it stand to prevent far more random attacks than these other controls. Already discussed how this may work, but these things take time.
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I just want to say goodbye in case this is the last time more than two people are having discussion on this forum. It was a pleasure, even more than playing Warband: Grind Edition.
If you believe that thats an accurate picture of every muslim schools you're in for a long ride.
But this shows that there should be a more rigorous inspection of what they are doing. The students and teachers of those schools need to forcefully "emigrate in a muslim country", its actually in their holy book!
I think its not that enormous for the simple fact that there is so many moderates.
If every muslims had been at an extremist school there would be much more extremists openly being douchebags a little more often dontchathink?
I don't see what's wrong with the burka as long as the face isn't covered, alot of catholic women still wear kerchiefs, mainly eastern europeans, it's the same belief that women are not worthy of exposing their head to god.
What never reaches the medias ears is the internal terror in muslim families. Where basically men have extremely retarded standards set for the families female members. Which if not met will be returned with physical violence and death threats. These cases dont really reveal themselves so much or actually even show to people near them, because the victims are still kinda loving of their abusive family so they generally just keep it quiet. The moderates are many, but these fuckers still cover atleast half of the islamic world. I dont think caution is the sign of xenophobia in this case, but a product of common sense. No? Granted its not a direct threat to us, but it quite clearly shows what the people we are bringing here are capable of.