Four more years of Obama.
The Donald was declared winner of the Indiana Primary. Trump now needs under 200 delegates to win the Republican nomination on the first ballot.
rip GOP
Trump is the living embodiment of the American dream.
A testament to the fact that man needs neither intelligence nor any sort of marketable skill in order to rise to the top.
RIP TED CRUZ CANDIDACY
Summary:
Short term: Hillary is bad, Trump is worse
Long term: Hillary is bad,
Trump is a wild card he will most likely fail which might lead to a more polarized fiscal spectrum: GOP rebirth and Democrats going further left.
If he succeeds USA's politics will probably breakdown along a new fault line: Libertarians/Liberals vs Authoritarians(Left and Right)
This is just amateur "what if" thoughts, bash away at it.
Trump is the living embodiment of the American dream.
A testament to the fact that man needs neither intelligence nor any sort of marketable skill in order to rise to the top.
But isnt that the whole point of freedom :lol:(click to show/hide)
assuming Bernie will still run for president albeit as an independentDidn't realize I was reading Donald Trump wetdream fanfiction.
Didn't realize I was reading Donald Trump wetdream fanfiction.:P
Trump is the living embodiment of the American dream.
A testament to the fact that man needs neither intelligence nor any sort of marketable skill in order to rise to the top.
Damn you! you stole my next high-brow youtube clip posting
Trump is the living embodiment of the American dream.
A testament to the fact that man needs neither intelligence nor any sort of marketable skill in order to rise to the top.
The relationship between father-son earnings is tighter in the United States than in most peer OECD countries, meaning U.S. mobility is among the lowest of major industrialized economies. The relatively low correlations between father-son earnings in Scandinavian countries provide a stark contradiction to the conventional wisdom. An elasticity of 0.47 found in the United States offers much less likelihood of moving up than an elasticity of 0.18 or less, as characterizes Finland, Norway, and Denmark.
http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/
You can also do a Google search for OECD's international social mobility assessment pdf.
Interestingly, some of the least socially mobile countries are the ones where the myth of the self-made man is extolled with the most fervour.
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Just because it may not be based on reality does not mean it's not a dream. And of course the dream in the US was probably stronger from 1945 to 1975 when it had the greatest chance of being true. It was then that the middle class was growing rapidly with returning war veterans entering college, starting new jobs and starting new households. The wealth gap between the workers and the upper echelons was not as extreme as today. Also the Horatio Alger, rags to riches narrative was much more potent in the late 19th century in the US and has been deeply ingrained in the popular conception as the article below relates.Yes, after the war when the rest of the developed world lay in ruins and America had literally half of the world's wealth it ushered in at least a 20 year golden age for the American middle-class, and the really large wealth gaps started showing again especially after Reagan's economic policies in the 80s (and Thatcher's in England).This indicates that though Sweden has one of the highest social mobility rates in the world that the top of the income stratum is dominated by people whose parents were rich.(click to show/hide)
Question: Does that comparison with Scandanavia take into account the growing immigrant community in the father-son earnings?Sweden has the same percentage of its national population being immigrants as the US (14.3%), Norway being a bit lower (13.8) and Denmark and Finland a lot lower (9 and 5.4, respectively). These numbers also include immigrants from other western countries, of course. (based on the UN report 'Trends in International Migrant Stock: The 2015 Revision' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population).
http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/
You can also do a Google search for OECD's international social mobility assessment pdf.
Interestingly, some of the least socially mobile countries are the ones where the myth of the self-made man is extolled with the most fervour.
Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.In Russia we have a saying "A nation has a leader that it deserves".
Even though I don't really have any proper opinion regarding US politics, and don't allow myself to judge if one or another president would be good for American people, I find it kind of odd that out of such a large population, Americans have to choose between Clinton and Trump...Southparkbless. :)
They both seem to be twisted, if not broken inside, and I find it hard to believe they can represent the majority...
Imo Bill Clinton was a very cool president. I would like to be friends with Bill. There is something very positive about him. Obama definitely has his charm, very calm and self assured, at least on the outside.
It would probably be very uneasy for me, as a voter, to trust the new candidates... As I said before, I know little details, so it's my very uneducated opinion, based on local newspaper articles and short YouTube clips.
Anyways, I wish you all good luck with the next elections, and hope that whoever wins, will turns things for the best, or at least will not cause any major trouble inside or outside of the US.
In Russia we have a saying "A nation has a leader that it deserves".
Yeah and yours got 99% of the vote! Congratulations on getting the leader you deserve. :D120 % and I don't vote, but thanks! I'm sure you're happy with Tardogan too. +)
120 % and I don't vote, but thanks! I'm sure you're happy with Tardogan too. +)
If he does get elected I hope a true red-white-and-blue american assassinates Trump before a foreigner does, cos otherwise he'll become a redneck martyr.That would make some spineless bastard like Chris Christie ("he's a lot overweight" - Rep. Darrell Issa) or Jeff Sessions the President, which wouldn't be much better.
If he does get elected I hope a true red-white-and-blue american assassinates Trump before a foreigner does, cos otherwise he'll become a redneck martyr.
There's been an unhealthy attitude of 'Vote Trump cos it's funny, it's not like there's any chance he'll win anyway...' and it's only now that people have started to consider 'Shit, what if he really does win'.
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If Trump is as bad as some people think he is in term of programs, he wont be re-elected a second time. Thats how democracy works, you make promise, you get elected, you fail, goodbye.
If Trump is einstein as some other think, I really dont believe he will do a full four year terms of purging mexicans with everyone just looking.
Everything seems covered, no need for murder.
Well, if nothing else this will be the first big test of the system of checks and balances, the US Government being created with people like Trump in mind. As long as the judicial and legislative branches of government are not full of Trumps also. A warm reminder of the reason decent Presidents are frequently foiled by the other branches and unable to achieve anything.
Good lessons may be learned from this - I voted for a non-PC, no-nonsense President that spoke his mind and wasnt afraid of causing offense. And he did nothing.
But equally if Trump is elected, even if things remain very much as they are, bad lessons could be learned - Trump was as opposite to Obama as possible but nothing really changed between the two being President. Therefore it doesnt matter who or what i vote for.
For majority of the world sure. But the problem is that Trump also wants to pull out all military support from Europe. That might be considered good for the pacifist types, the anti-western conspiracy theorists and people who arent aware of the situation in Eastern-EU, but my country is fucked. 4 years of basically no US means that the russians can freely now ravage here without any real consequences.
The year Trump gets democratically elected into power is the year the western world realises their democracy is shit.
Dont consider him racist, but 100% unelectable by an engaged and intelligent voter-base. What concerns me is from the americans i know and people outside of the states, there's been an unhealthy attitude of 'Vote Trump cos it's funny, it's not like there's any chance he'll win anyway...' and it's only now that people have started to consider 'Shit, what if he really does win'.
When your appeal is 'This guy sure is funny' something is wrong with your democracy. Is this attitude brought about because your last President has been intelligent and relatively aware of the world around him, and that didnt magically change your life so maybe voting for the opposite will fix things?
You can disagree with someone's political outlook, they may have all the information to hand but they want to take things in a different direction. But when a politician is so willing to talk in vague terms in ignorance, that should be concerning. Democracy shouldnt be based on a reality-tv-esque desire to see 'what would it be like if you made a retard president'.
I am absolutely happy for the US to get the president they deserve if they vote for Trump and he receives a majority of the electoral college votes. It will hopefully prompt a more detailed analysis of what went wrong and how they can fix it. But i hope Trump doesnt live to get to that stage, since him being president would effect more than just the country that voted for him.
In both scenario humanity wins, because we learned something.
By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".Yes, einstein advanced Science quite a lot. Witness the double entendre because of the forum censor. That's just how I roll, bois.
Not gonna surprise you here I think Tibes, but...
I equally believe the western conspiracy AND the Russia warmongering theory.
If I'm wrong you will suffer the most, true, so I can say "lets try and see" without batting an eye. But really its my belief that without the anti-russian arsenal at Russia's borders, nothing will change, it could even become better for everyone, you included, if we do not keep that open hostility up.
Do you believe that if Russia annex more than Crimea in the next century they will go away with it? I think we have enough nukes that can reach Moscow...
Yes please assassinate him before he gas all mexicans einstein-style as per his program (?)The United States of America is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, protecting the individual rights of every man (which is why "governments are instituted among men"). The Founding Fathers drafted our Constitution because the Articles of Confederation which had been used up to that point were "too democratic" and basically shit. Democracy = tyranny under a majority. Which is why slave-holding States were so hopped up on it, they figured that if a majority supported it, it was even possible to subjugate an entire minority under them by law. "Progressive" politicians (the Roosevelts are basically Satan) have been fucking American Exceptionalism up from day one.
God, Trump haters make me cringe :lol: democracy means you cant win everytime guys
Assassinating Trump is anti-thesis to being a true red-white-and-blue american.
Anyone that would pull it off and would survive to claim otherwise would simply be categorised as anti-american (at least by Trump supporters, and probably lots of people that have problems with killing others for ideological reasons), making Trump a "redneck martyr" in all cases.
Even though I'm not US resident I really enjoy watching how Trump devastate the classic politicians back there, because I can totally relate to if it happened in my country. I think most western nations are being ruled by people simply driven by power and not by helping their own country.
As Rhekimos and lots of others, I also doubt that Trump program is doable, he will most probably not do as he claims on all topic. But he seems like he want to really try and thats a win in my book.
By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".
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By this logic, humanity won when hitler and stalin killed millions of people, cause "we learned something".
Now thats a tantrum.Why, because you don't understand American civics?
Why, because you don't understand American civics?
That post alone has convinced me you're simply being contrary.
Ironically we did, and now everytime a potential leader arises he is "literaly einstein" and must be assassinated before he kills a gazillon of people.
At least the US system of government was deliberately constructed with checks and measures in place to prevent a single insane leader from having a large impact. If it can survive Trump then it can survive anything the voters can throw at it (unless everyone votes Trump-like characters into the Senate too).
Whether or not he'll actually be able to implement his insane ideas, it's a cause for concern that he's even got this far by shear pandering alone.
(well... not a 'native' native)
I've found the operative word. His mistake was only having 2 things in common with Trump.
But I agree, it'd be better PR if a native killed him (well... not a 'native' native)
couldn't be more transparent that she's above the law
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36727855?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/07/06/daily-202-clinton-s-credibility-gap-widens-after-fbi-rebuke/577bff0c981b92a22d5b2044/
0 attacks of any and all other religions/islamophobes in 2016 in the world? Everybody agrees that Islam today is the most fucked up religious group, but thereligionofpeace really need to check its facts if it doesnt want to be ignored as a fact bending kind of islamophobe website.
They even say in the p.s. that attacks against muslims occured, noone was killed, but no islamophobe attacks, ok.
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Might want to reconsider the Florida attack if it had to be 'in the name of Islam'.Sure, let's talk about such attacks commited by other religions when there's a direct link to the holy scripture and what an imam has been preaching in the local mosque and gays are thrown off rooftops in countries where this as a majority religion.
Whilst if we're including all attacks committed *by* Muslims, for any reason (such as a self-hating gay who was a regular at the club he shot up), that's a different matter and would also open the door on all attacks committed by all atheists and other religions, for any reason.
0 attacks of any and all other religions/islamophobes in 2016 in the world? Everybody agrees that Islam today is the most fucked up religious group, but thereligionofpeace really need to check its facts if it doesnt want to be ignored as a fact bending kind of islamophobe website.
They even say in the p.s. that attacks against muslims occured, noone was killed, but no islamophobe attacks, ok.
More than half of British Muslims (52%) think homosexuality should not be legal, and nearly half (47%) think it is not appropriate for gay people to teach in schools, according to a new survey of British Muslims.
FATAL ATTACKS ONLY
Missed the little tooltip :mrgreen:So you accuse them of fucking with the statistics because your gut tells you they've dragged something under the carpet? :rolleyes:
Still pretty sure there was at least one other in 2016 but dragged under the carpet.
So you accuse them of fucking with the statistics because your gut tells you they've dragged something under the carpet? :rolleyes:
Sorry that my gut offended you.Your existence offends me.
Your existence offends me.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/
Donal or Shillary? It's good thing I don't have to make that choice.
Apparently the firing was not caught on film. Maybe they also thought that there was no way it would escalate.
It's getting to the point where the average gangbanger handles his firearm more responsibly than some of our law enforcement.From what I hear from US police veterans it varies by jurisdiction but in general US policemen do not have ample gun training due to budget limits, live firearms training is expensive and is often the first item to be cut.
Maybe they didn't. Maybe there is. Maybe the moon is made of pudding.
It's not an isolated incident either, there's a trend of people being shot even when they comply with police orders. And that's not great.
I think there is more probability that the police officer who shot had a reason (beside the laughing "I dont know" portrayed in the articles) than the moon being made of pudding. Equating both would be a lack of common sense.
The only trend I've seen so far is a political war on US police. The popular perception of a perpetual increase of unjustified excessive force is just that, a popular perception. US police has moved way past the seventies methods, adding new strict ones past 9/11, while the people is growing even more retardedly bigoted than before in their view of it.
I think there is more probability that the police officer who shot had a reason (beside the laughing "I dont know" portrayed in the articles) than the moon being made of pudding. Equating both would be a lack of common sense.Honestly, it's probably something as simple as that cop being scared shitless. Police are humans as well, we shouldn't forget how susceptible many of us can be to fear. He could have panicked at something stupid, even a thought, and fired as a knee-jerk reaction. This seems like the most likely case considering the baffling "I don't know" comment.
Honestly, it's probably something as simple as that cop being scared shitless. Police are humans as well, we shouldn't forget how susceptible many of us can be to fear. He could have panicked at something stupid, even a thought, and fired as a knee-jerk reaction. This seems like the most likely case considering the baffling "I don't know" comment.
Honestly, it's probably something as simple as that cop being scared shitless. Police are humans as well, we shouldn't forget how susceptible many of us can be to fear. He could have panicked at something stupid, even a thought, and fired as a knee-jerk reaction. This seems like the most likely case considering the baffling "I don't know" comment.
Haha, that's a fine judgement of probability! Though, it's not the probability, it's the pertinence.
People don't want to be shot when they are doing everything the police tell them to.
If the police think that this is acceptable, then the initiative for correcting this state of affairs must come from outside the police force. By political action.
Not helped by the fact that people are now, actively trying to target police due to political establishment focusing massive hate on it. Many police are on edge.
Thanks and yes I know, just trying to be as witty as you :P
The different variations of "the people are just asking to not be shot everytime they go out!" is like the best meme of all time regarding the US police - public FUBAR relationship today and shows the retardness of anti-police movement :lol:
Police is one of the toughest, most demanding and codified job, especially so with the US history of public scrutiny.
Like Lt_Anders said the impact of the public on how police operates can be a two edged sword: it probably pushed the police to become way better than before but at the same time it can stop police from doing police.
From what I've seen, read, felt, the US police is almost as good as it can get under the immense and still growing pressure and hate from the people they serve, mostly blacks in the wrong neighoboroud and white liberals with a passion for unearthing injustice even where there is none.
When the "political action" you mentionned becomes harassment, obstruction and hate toward those who impose law and order (policemen), what happens is what you see today in the US: people do not respect police work, hinder their actions, resist lawful intervention and see all perps as victims of a pre-supposed wrongful police before thinking up of anything.
Add gender/race/identity/what have you, social media SJW's bubbles, and humans being the usual generalization machines, mixing up the bad and the good and proclaiming that everything is either bad or good, and you got the US police work environment today. A bigoted shitfest that is in great need of political support from the government.... not more "political action" from extremists retards (not saying you are, but you seem to be part of the misguided bunch at the very least).
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Someone important like the US president need to step up and say "we love our police" while keeping it strictly under control (it always need to be), and start actively building government-police and police-civilian trust ASAP.
Peaceful politics. If just "political action" sounds violent.
Allow me to make a prediction. Hilary will get elected. She will be a terrible leader according to the majority of US citizens. She will be given a 2nd term. and by the end of her 2nd term we will still be involved in proxy wars, nation building, and occupying/drone striking poor nations which pose little to no threat to the U.S.
Cool if you never ever did any of the things I mentionned, but tons of people that shares your political proclivities do and it certainly isnt "peaceful politics". Its even more fucked up since the origin of these movements are largely unfounded.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/index.html?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottommedium
I think this article provides all points of views, and closure on the topic.
I can hardly tell what you are even referring to.
If you think this brings it to a neat end and it's not indicative of a problem in the US, then we definitely have differing views.
The previous post.
Heh, I said it provided all points of views for a reason.
Allow me to make a prediction. Hilary will get elected. She will be a terrible leader according to the majority of US citizens. She will be given a 2nd term. and by the end of her 2nd term we will still be involved in proxy wars, nation building, and occupying/drone striking poor nations which pose little to no threat to the U.S.
What exactly are these "political proclivities" that tons of violent people share?
I think there is a misunderstanding. The subject is not what does the "violent people" do politically as rule of thumb, its the other way around: those that have "anti-police" as a part of their political positionings and the fact that their methods to "change the police" include violence (verbal and physical harassment, ignoring orders, resisting arrests, supporting rulebreakers, rioting, etc... I merely repeat the previous "vague" post), or at the barest they offer passive resistance to the rule of law which is obstruction.
There is a couple "peaceful politics" methods (discussing like we are, filming police work, interacting with police normally, or their rep, or taking it up the political/legal chain), and this is good.
Where do you stand? :)
If you stand by the first part, sorry but you are not a "political activist" but simply a pain in the ass.
Those are the "violent people" that have anti-police as their "political proclivities".
If you're not, thats great, lets keep chatting :mrgreen:
(Sorry for the late edit, wanted to make perfectly sure everything was clear)
People 100% compliant with police instructions getting shot is not helping the situation.
Oh CNN how have thou fallen...
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I mean it was already confirmed that CNN was bribed by the democrats (amongst other media), so those articles are no surprise
I'm getting reminiscent of left-leaning articles on why Milo was banned from Twitter where there was no actual quote or argument to directly justify it, just after the act stuff.
Who cares? All I see is Donal's name everywhere. No such thing as bad publicity, not in this fucked up world. He'll win it by a landslide.Oh, but there's one thing missing from this vision of bliss: a certain Leshma no longer making such cringeworthy posts.
Milo was banned for being an idiot, which should be no surprise because he's fucking college dropout who's trying to earn some cash on Internet by spewing shit. I do that for free so he can go right fuck himself, bleached Greek moron.
Twitter in its entirety is cancerous growth, but market has recognized that and is applying chemotherapy as we speak. That company/service shall be no more in few years. I take pride in never opening account there because it has proven to be, by far the most retarded social network of all and I'm basing those accusation on quality of people Twitter attracts. Can't wait the day those wankers wont be able to share two-sentence shit concealed as wisdom anymore.
Things are actually going in better direction on the Internet. No one gives a fuck about Facebook anymore, Twitter is going down, reddit is finally seen as shit it really is by majority of users, media like gawker are going out of business, folks realize that vice is fake as fuck, kickstarter is failing, youtube celebrities are caught in criminal activities, only retarded children still care about chans, gags and other moron gathering places. Last but not the least, this stupid mod and forum are dying off. Much revelations, truth coming in peoples minds and hearts, hopefully won't be as susceptible to bullshit propaganda as before. That is always good.
Oh, but there's one thing missing from this vision of bliss: a certain Leshma no longer making such cringeworthy posts.
I've read like 2-3 articles on Trump and the "Gold Star Muslim family" affair, and so far I've read no quotes of what Trump actually said that was so poorly received, like wtf? I'm getting reminiscent of left-leaning articles on why Milo was banned from Twitter where there was no actual quote or argument to directly justify it, just after the act stuff.
From what I've read they are both liars. The difference is Trump seems completely volatile.
I've read like 2-3 articles on Trump and the "Gold Star Muslim family" affair, and so far I've read no quotes of what Trump actually said that was so poorly received, like wtf? I'm getting reminiscent of left-leaning articles on why Milo was banned from Twitter where there was no actual quote or argument to directly justify it, just after the act stuff.Haha, yes, that's the funny part. I too read CNN's articles about these horrible attacks on the Khan family, how Trump is super mean to them, yet.... no Trump quotes. Yet they're happy enough to quote him on other issues, even misquote him, but suddenly no quotes there? Hmmm....
16 years of Donkey party ruling USA? Ain't going to happen. When was the last time one party had president for more than two mandates?
You'll become great again :mrgreen:
I find it hilarious how someone who has no stakes in this election, like Great Cuckoldy of Sweden, went overboard with resentment towards one of the candidates.
This is the first time I took any interest into American politics, followed election closely at The_Donald (sadly all other major media proven to be 100% shill) and have to laugh hard at the thing you call Democracy. Not because Donald won, but because your president is decided in country filled with pensioners. Don't you find it scary that country like Florida decides for all of you every election?
If there was true democracy, people would change their opinion from time to time (don't start me me about your two party system). There would be no 'decided' and 'swing' states. California and Texas are so huge, represent big ass majority of your populace yet you always know who is going to win there. So much for democracy...
Edit: I hope this means those nutty lgbt white knighted liberals lost, but I wouldn't bet on it. Kinda want to see works of art without some self righteous asshole commenting gender politics and rest of that crap.
Also, you say swing states are in direct opposition to democracy
People rail against political correctness often, or bitch about people being too sensitive, but its like, do people just think anything and everything they say should elicit a positive or neutral reaction from an individual or group? That you can just deliberately say mean-spirited and intentionally disrespectful shit and not face any criticism?
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People rail against political correctness often, or bitch about people being too sensitive, but its like, do people just think anything and everything they say should elicit a positive or neutral reaction from an individual or group? That you can just deliberately say mean-spirited and intentionally disrespectful shit and not face any criticism?
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As an example: I'll be the first to admit that I won't watch a movie with an all black cast, or told from an African American point of view. I don't understand the daily life of an African American, as a white American, I can't identify with it. I want to watch things with characters I can identify with in some way.
I don't know about the rates of LGBT receiving public assistance. I can't comment on that.
Women should never have been allowed to deal in politics.
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