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Title: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2015, 04:39:54 pm
So excited! (http://www.ufc.com/event/UFC194?id=)

Edit: lol Urijah Faber fighting prelims :D

Edit2:
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 10, 2015, 06:32:47 pm
I hope Jose wins. I hate arrogant Irish whiteys. I've had enough with Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey and Luke Rockhold being arrogant douchebags. Now this pasty leprechaun? I hope Jose cuts off his head and parades it in the favelas in Brazil.

Is normal. Hespect.

I'm more excited for my favorite fighter fighting the week after. A.ka Alistair Overeem facing off against Junior Dos Santos in a heavyweight battle of the ages.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Christo on December 10, 2015, 07:11:03 pm
wat this
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Vovka on December 10, 2015, 07:14:53 pm
I thought the photo of the motorcycle on vacation is the worst and the most stupid thing that I've seen from Molly but then BAM this topic  :P
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2015, 07:29:27 pm
I hope Jose wins. I hate arrogant Irish whiteys. I've had enough with Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey and Luke Rockhold being arrogant douchebags. Now this pasty leprechaun? I hope Jose cuts off his head and parades it in the favelas in Brazil.

Is normal. Hespect.

I'm more excited for my favorite fighter fighting the week after. A.ka Alistair Overeem facing off against Junior Dos Santos in a heavyweight battle of the ages.
Pah, screw that Brazilian dwarf. The pasty Leprechaun is gonna whoop Aldo's ass big time. He's even gonna KO him. You'll see.
And Overeem? zZz BOOOORING Should just stay in Japan...
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 10, 2015, 08:16:21 pm
If you enjoy boxing there is a rematch between Sergey Kovalev and Jean Pascal on January 30. Most people have been turned off from boxing because of all of the publicity the lower weight fighters get like Floyd Mayweather, Light Heavyweight is much more exciting to watch. Kovalev is a different kind of fighter, he is brutal and has a higher K.O% than Mike Tyson and has even killed a man in the ring. I've watched all of his fights since he came to the states from Russia and have never been let down.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/505927

http://boxrec.com/boxer/290691



highlights from the first fight
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 10, 2015, 08:31:04 pm
MMA has more action and is more exciting.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 10, 2015, 08:51:30 pm
MMA has more action and is more exciting.

The excessive clinching kills it for the most part that's why I just watch light-heavyweight, they are fast and strong enough to punch out of the clinch. In Russian boxing they have less interference from the refs so it's refreshing to watch this guy just throw to break out of the clinch not giving a shit what hits his opponent whether it's a forearm, bodyslam or punch to the back of the head as long as he get's the K.O it doesn't matter to the refs because they stepped into it, alot of fighters are afraid to do this not sure why, the only way to break the clinch is to rough them up.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Tibe on December 10, 2015, 09:29:12 pm
Is Gregor actually a very good fighter or do people just like him because he looks cool?
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 10, 2015, 09:40:06 pm
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I'd bet there is a dashcam video of him, slugging it out after a car crash somewhere in Russia :lol:
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 10, 2015, 10:03:53 pm
Is Gregor actually a very good fighter or do people just like him because he looks cool?

Most of his fans are gay bandwagoners. He's good but his fans overrate him plus the owners of UFC are friends with him. Makes u wonder if there's gonna be someone taking a dive or even if the judges will be bribed.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Angantyr on December 11, 2015, 03:05:16 am
I've seen all his fights and McGregor is an excellent fighter, great technique and stamina, boxing champion, can do enough Jiu Jitzu to get up when people try to grapple him, one of the strongest fighters standing I've seen in his weightclass. It's no coincidence he's fighting someone as good as Aldo now (especially after seeing him take out a great fighter like Mendes the way he did http://bestinmma.blogspot.dk/2015/07/chad-mendes-vs-conor-mcgregor-ufc-189.html). (the last time Aldo met Mendes; http://mmaversus.com/2014/10/26/jose-aldo-vs-chad-mendes-fight-video-ufc-179/).

Personally, I like his fighting style, fast, relaxed, elegant, does lots of different kicks and combos and very little wrestling which is why I prefer featherweight anyway. Just ignore the PR machine, UFC is spinning gold currently.





Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 06:39:39 am
Yes, McGregor is one of the best fighters in the UFC right now. Very versatile and actually technically talented, which is rarer than you'd think in professional fighters...
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2015, 08:18:41 am
I'm a long time mma fan and try to watch every UFC event, goes without saying i'm very excited about this saturday. Rooting for Conor, but Jose's been undefeated for 10 years for a reason, he's a beast. I love Conor's  personality btw, even though i usually prefer the calm and humble fighters, but after watching some documentaries etc, it's clear that he's just a very honest and outgoing guy that enjoys every moment he lives. Not to mention that it's both his fighting style and charisma that helped generate so much hype for this fight. Aldo is probably pretty happy too, i'm pretty sure this is the most he's ever made throughout his entire career.

P.S. anyone here plays PS4 EA UFC ?
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 11, 2015, 09:13:44 am
Ur not a long time Russian MMA fan if ur not a fan of Fedor Emelianenko. Cyka blyat
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 11, 2015, 09:19:40 am
I'm a long time mma fan and try to watch every UFC event, goes without saying i'm very excited about this saturday. Rooting for Conor, but Jose's been undefeated for 10 years for a reason, he's a beast. I love Conor's  personality btw, even though i usually prefer the calm and humble fighters, but after watching some documentaries etc, it's clear that he's just a very honest and outgoing guy that enjoys every moment he lives. Not to mention that it's both his fighting style and charisma that helped generate so much hype for this fight. Aldo is probably pretty happy too, i'm pretty sure this is the most he's ever made throughout his entire career.

P.S. anyone here plays PS4 EA UFC ?
gib UFC game 4 PC!
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2015, 09:42:18 am
Ur not a long time Russian MMA fan if ur not a fan of Fedor Emelianenko. Cyka blyat
Of course I am, although i hate the fact that he's "back" for some crappy Japanese freak show instead of testing himself in the lackluster UFC HW division.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 10:20:13 am
Fedor was pretty shit technically, he was a competent grappler but his main thing was his heart. It's kind of sad to see him make a comeback, like a burned out clown. Comebacks never go well at his age and only tarnishes the legend of the fighter.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2015, 10:34:26 am
Fedor was pretty shit technically, he was a competent grappler but his main thing was his heart. It's kind of sad to see him make a comeback, like a burned out clown. Comebacks never go well at his age and only tarnishes the legend of the fighter.
Um, no. He had perfected transitioning from striking to grappling, post-pride he became more of a brawler. His striking does look unorthodox and clumsy compared to your usual boxing/kickboxing, but those looping punches is a sambo technique that has a purpose, it's not just "spray and pray". Check out the undefeated Khabib "I love being injured" Nurmagomedov, who also trained sambo his whole life.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 10:56:18 am
His striking is unorthodox and clumsy, whether his looping punches are a Sambo technique or not.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2015, 11:27:47 am
His striking is unorthodox and clumsy, whether his looping punches are a Sambo technique or not.
And yet it works because of that. He wouldn't have been able to beat prime Mirko standing if he was a bad striker, even with the biggest heart.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 12:16:30 pm
And yet it works because of that. He wouldn't have been able to beat prime Mirko standing if he was a bad striker, even with the biggest heart.
He made his striking work, yes, but no one in their right mind would call him a technical striking genius. It worked because of other factors (like his speed and reflex advantage, the fear of grappling, etc), his stand up was good in spite of his striking skills, not because of them. And Mirko was shit in that fight.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 11, 2015, 03:58:20 pm
...and all that is how man years ago now?
Compare UFC 2 years ago and now and you'll see a huge leap in overall technicality and skill.
This is no old man's game anymore.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 05:46:47 pm
Yup. A whole new ball game. The current hws are ten times more technical and versatile than in Fedor's prime.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 11, 2015, 07:12:54 pm
Conor is an exceptional fighter but so is Jose Aldo, which means it should be an exciting fight.

Fedor, "The Last Emperor" was magnificent in his time.  His time is past and he really should not try to come back.  He must need money.

Most of his fans are gay bandwagoners. He's good but his fans overrate him plus the owners of UFC are friends with him. Makes u wonder if there's gonna be someone taking a dive or even if the judges will be bribed.

Oh you mean like other Dana White favorites like Ronda Rousey and Page Van Zant?  LOL, I guess Dana's money was no good for those contestants and judges.  Maybe he'll have better luck in this match.  Nice theory.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 11, 2015, 08:20:25 pm
Dana has a hard on for McGregor.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 08:25:06 pm
Dana likes fighters that make him a lot of money. Whoddathunkit.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2015, 08:42:41 pm
He made his striking work, yes, but no one in their right mind would call him a technical striking genius. It worked because of other factors (like his speed and reflex advantage, the fear of grappling, etc), his stand up was good in spite of his striking skills, not because of them. And Mirko was shit in that fight.
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It's not technical in terms of regular boxing/kickboxing, but it's a technique nonetheless, and he made it very effective, especially when he mixed it up with clinching and trips/takedowns. How could his stand up be good "instead" of his skills, that makes no sense? 
Look, i love watching good technical boxers as much as anyone, but Fedors success in MMA was largely due to his unorthodox striking, which he used methodically. Later in his career (after Pride), when he decided to go full brawler and give up strength, he still managed to knock several heads off precisely because of his striking. Tim Sylvia got destroyed in seconds (looping hooks again), Arlovski (watch the slowmo-gifs, Fedor slipped most of the punches that people think Arlovski landed), Rogers, Henderson prior to the KO (the stoppage was legit btw).

Again, watch Khabib Nurmagomedov's fights, he's an undefeated lightweight who already beat the current UFC LW champ, he uses a similar approach. It doesn't look as pretty as say Conor or Robbie Lawler, but it works.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 09:05:05 pm
Technical =/= technique... one technique has nothing to do with whether his stand up is technical or not.

Fedor's success in MMA had almost nothing to do with his unorthodox striking. His grappling and GnP are the biggest contributors to his success.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 11, 2015, 09:12:40 pm
Technical =/= technique... one technique has nothing to do with whether his stand up is technical or not.

Fedor's success in MMA had almost nothing to do with his unorthodox striking. His grappling and GnP are the biggest contributors to his success.
It had everything to do with it, as well as the things you have mentioned in your second sentence.

In any case, 1 day till Aldo vs Conor, first time i'm actually gonna stay awake to watch a fight night live (it's gonna be 6 am in Moscow). I just hope it won't end with something controversial like an eye poke or an injury....
Btw, Rockhold vs Weidman is as much a tossup for me as Conor vs Jose, picking Weidman though. And Jacare imo takes Romero.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 11, 2015, 09:24:34 pm
Proof of Fedor's great cyka blyat vodka striking even at the end of his prime.

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 09:24:44 pm
It had everything to do with it, as well as the things you have mentioned in your second sentence.
No, you're not seeing the forest from the trees if you think so. Why do you think Mirko looked so timid? Because he was afraid of Fedor's unorthodox stand up? ...
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 11, 2015, 10:23:46 pm
As much as I dislike McGregor. If I had the choice of choosing between a guaranteed win for Aldo to KO the Irish leprechaun or Overeem to KO/Sub/Win by decision against JDS and go on to become number 1 contender for the HW title I'd go for Overeem. Imagine Overeem winning the HW title. Former Strikeforce HW champ, former Dream HW champ, former K-1 Grand Pride winner and then UFC HW Champ. Alsooooooooooo

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 12, 2015, 09:45:40 am
Yup. A whole new ball game. The current hws are ten times more technical and versatile than in Fedor's prime.
Oh my, haven't seen this one earlier. I really wanted to stop arguing with you in this thread, but i just can't let this one slip by. Now, let's see.

This is the UFC top 15 at the moment:
Champ- Fabricio Werdum - love this guy, great IQ, he's the best grappler in the division and Rafael Cordeiro turned him into a great MT striker- him vs prime Fedor would be a treat to watch
1    Cain Velasquez   -  pressure wrestler, good boxing, great cardio (except the last Werdum fight), tough fight
2    Junior Dos Santos - good TDD, great boxing and power, bad fight IQ, tough fight, but prime Fedor can pressure as well as Cain
3    Stipe Miocic - he got KTFO by Stefan Struve lol. In any case, he's got better since then, good boxing and wrestling, nothing spectacular though.
4    Andrei Arlovski - i love this guy, but he's a glass cannon and he knows it. Already KTFO by brawler version Fedor
5    Travis Browne - lol, this guy gets destroyed by anyone with at least semi-decent boxing. He's got athleticism and a chin, but that's about it.
6    Josh Barnett - he USED to be good, dunno where he stands now.
7    Mark Hunt - Fedor beat him ages ago. I love Hunto, he's a great kickboxer, but he's not getting any younger.
8    Ben Rothwell - Another guy that gets his wins mostly due to his power and chin. Don't even get me started on technique.
9    Alistair Overeem - Loses to people he shouldn't lose to, he's a good kickboxer with good submissions, but i believe he lacks the heart and chin.
10    Frank Mir - Watch his latest fight vs Arlovski lol. His boxing got better lately, but he's so washed up now it doesn't really matter.
11    Roy Nelson - His chin got cracked by Arlovski and Hunt and his uber right hand only lands on idiots with no striking defense.
12    Antonio Silva - Bigfoot without TRT is a sad sight. He was quite decent with it though.
13    Matt Mitrione - Another case of a decent athlete doing ok in MMA thanks to his physical attributes. No technique whatsoever.
14    Jared Rosholt - Wrestler turned MMA fighter. nothing to talk about here
15    Alexey Oliynyk - veteran who can brawl and scrap.


UFC HW division was always the weakest out of them all. The myth about all those "New breed fighters" who are oh so superior to the old dogs is just that - a myth. Actually, most of the guys in the HW division are over 30, even 35 years old and were fighting in Pride too, the other half is just big guys who decided to try MMA careers and are semi-succesful because the competition is lacking.
You're telling me a division where an almost 40years old flat-nosed Andrei Arlovski can make a comeback and run for a title is "10 times more technical and versatile than Fedors prime" ??! Lol , get outta here.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 12, 2015, 10:55:47 am
You did a good job proving my point. The fighters on that list are way more formidable than the fighters ten years ago in HW. It's also funny that "brawler Fedor" suddenly becomes a thing when it's obvious his stand up is crude and not technical. Why would he get less technical over time? He wouldn't. He was never technical, and it's just an excuse -- "oh, that doesn't count, because suddenly he decided he doesn't want to use techniques anymore."
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 12, 2015, 12:29:25 pm
You did a good job proving my point. The fighters on that list are way more formidable than the fighters ten years ago in HW. It's also funny that "brawler Fedor" suddenly becomes a thing when it's obvious his stand up is crude and not technical. Why would he get less technical over time? He wouldn't. He was never technical, and it's just an excuse -- "oh, that doesn't count, because suddenly he decided he doesn't want to use techniques anymore."
You wish. Did you even read my post before continuing with your ignorance ? Most of these fighters are OLD, as in they were fighting almost in the same period when Fedor was fighting. The rest are just a bunch of big guys with some minor training, but nowhere near the "technical monsters of the new MMA ERA" you're trying to make them look. If you want to make a point of MMA gettting overall more complete fighters, look at the ww division and below, but not heavyweight.

Fedors decline was obvious to anyone who payed attention to the MMA game. Surrounding himself with "yes" men, orthodox priests, wife change etc, he gave up strength training and started relying solely on his hands and speed, what made him so good was the mix of standup + grappling and how well he transitioned to it.

So once again, to repeat myself - you're telling me a division where an almost 40years old flat-nosed Andrei Arlovski and where an old Mark Hunt  can make a comeback and be a solid top 10 and run for a title is "10 times more technical and versatile than Fedors prime" ??!
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 12, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Yes. MMA is a martial art by itself now. It doesn't matter if the fighters are ~35, they're better trained than they were ten years ago. But no, you're right, having a flat nose means you can't fight. Such genius analysis.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 12, 2015, 12:40:44 pm
Yes. MMA is a martial art by itself now. It doesn't matter if the fighters are ~35, they're better trained than they were ten years ago. But no, you're right, having a flat nose means you can't fight. Such genius analysis.
What i meant by that is that he's almost punch drunk by now, ko'd  brutally (by Fedor too) several times, and HE IS NOT ANY BETTER than when he was a UFC hw champ years ago. What does that tell you? That the HW divisions top 10 outside of a couple of guys is pretty much stagnant in skill. It's not like he's any faster or he started throwing spinning hook kicks all of a sudden, or submitting people with gogoplatas.

Here's a video of Fedor's techniques btw, looping punches into clinch to judo throws/trips. I hope i'm not wasting my time here with you, I know you can't ever admit you're wrong, but at least learn something while trying to save face. While you're at it, also compare his physique in the later fights (Rogers, Henderson) to the earlier period, you can easily see he gave up a lot of strength training and it shows (don't mind the belly, it's always there).

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Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 12, 2015, 01:14:12 pm
You don't understand you're talking past me because you don't understand what you're seeing in the fights.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Butan on December 12, 2015, 01:27:48 pm
Ujin stop, you're talking to Xant mate. Just stop.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 12, 2015, 05:48:29 pm
I'd bet there is a dashcam video of him, slugging it out after a car crash somewhere in Russia :lol:





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Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 12, 2015, 07:03:54 pm
I prefer Kickboxing over Boxing. But MMA over both. Glory and old K1 has some good bouts.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: //saxon on December 12, 2015, 09:19:27 pm
Does anyone know of a live stream that will be on tonight, preferably free of charge. I want to see if McGregor can take Aldo's leg kicks, though i am not certain he will land many.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Soulreaver on December 12, 2015, 09:23:20 pm
http://matchtv.ru/#live-player main card will be there with lot of viagra advertisment
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 12, 2015, 09:47:53 pm
I prefer Kickboxing over Boxing. But MMA over both. Glory and old K1 has some good bouts.

I like them all but you will not see the best strikers in MMA due to the nature of the rules, example not being allowed to knee during shoots and worse pay.

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 12, 2015, 11:01:35 pm
http://matchtv.ru/#live-player main card will be there with lot of viagra advertisment

Cyka blyat

I like them all but you will not see the best strikers in MMA due to the nature of the rules, example not being allowed to knee during shoots and worse pay.


Knees are awesome
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 12, 2015, 11:19:59 pm
I like them all but you will not see the best strikers in MMA due to the nature of the rules, example not being allowed to knee during shoots and worse pay.

Would be awesome if some of the best Thais tried MMA...
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 12, 2015, 11:25:18 pm
Only this guy

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 12, 2015, 11:35:50 pm
Only this guy



Buakaw is a badass, k1 tried to change the rules to get rid of him  :lol:

Would be awesome if some of the best Thais tried MMA...

Yea little chance though because it's their national sport and the pay is too good. Muay Thai outside of Thailand is very watered down when it comes down to the perfection of technique, the throws, clinches and grappling are all very hard to master but would work well in MMA. MMA doesn't allow for downward elbows or kneeing someone going for a shoot takedown which kind of kills any chance of a striker beating a good BJJ fighter. Your forced into a wide stance so you can sprawl to counter a takedown which takes away from striking power as well as losing 2-4 inches of reach. 
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 13, 2015, 12:38:59 am
Live stream everybody, prelims started !

http://mma-today.ru/video/pryamaya-translyaciya-ufc-194-jose-aldo-vs-konor-makgregor
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Utrakil on December 13, 2015, 01:29:43 am
Live stream everybody, prelims started !

http://mma-today.ru/video/pryamaya-translyaciya-ufc-194-jose-aldo-vs-konor-makgregor
Thanks for the link. very appreciated!
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 02:07:57 am
Live stream everybody, prelims started !

http://mma-today.ru/video/pryamaya-translyaciya-ufc-194-jose-aldo-vs-konor-makgregor

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 13, 2015, 03:21:43 am
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Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 13, 2015, 03:26:08 am

It's not bad if you have a group of people to chip in, but if you want to watch them all it's 60 dollars a fight. The bar packages are risky too because they can cost $1500 and you have to charge admission to cover the costs usually. Back in the early 90's people would pay 100's of dollars for a 30 second Tyson fight  :lol:.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 13, 2015, 03:45:07 am
No fucks given. I can watch it live on a mainstream russian sports channel (for free), i just use the online stream cause i don't like the russian announcers, it's not the same without Rogan being all dramatic and shit. =)
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 13, 2015, 06:56:40 am
HOLY SHIT. My jaw literally dropped and stayed like that for about 15 seconds.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Leesin on December 13, 2015, 07:28:59 am
That punch was perfect.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 09:51:46 am
As I said. Not a big fan of Aldo. But now we gotta deal with more annoying Conor bots and cocksucking bandwagoners
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 13, 2015, 10:22:37 am
So glad I didn't pay money to see that fight.
What a dissapoint.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 10:54:18 am
Watch next week's fight event with UFC on Fox 17 instead. Overeem vs JDS (2 of the best strikers in MMA and gonna be a heavyweight fight for the ages) and Cerrone vs Rafael Dos Anjos in a championship match. Plus it's not a PPV and free. It also got other cool matches on the card.

So hyped. This is a real fight. Plus it's free.

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 13, 2015, 11:33:44 am
Watch next week's fight event with UFC on Fox 17 instead. Overeem vs JDS (2 of the best strikers in MMA and gonna be a heavyweight fight for the ages)

Taking Overeems chin into account and Junior's bombs for hands, it can end just as fast as Conor - Aldo :).
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 12:30:18 pm
Made some food to watch the fight, I got one bite and it was over.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 12:33:54 pm
Taking Overeems chin into account and Junior's bombs for hands, it can end just as fast as Conor - Aldo :).

That would be a problem for old Overeem. Not this Overeem. With Greg Jackson as his coach nothing is impossible. Overeem has better wrestling and a good submission + ground game. And his knees are devastating. I'm betting either a decision win for Overeem or a submission win. Doubt Overeem will KO JDS. And he will fight smart to evade JDSs power shots.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 13, 2015, 12:57:53 pm
I like that guy :D
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Butan on December 13, 2015, 04:14:58 pm
That Mc Gregor winning punch didnt even seem to connect at all. I know fights can be finished in one minute (from my very small UFC experience), but this had no apparent impact/power. And I dont think Aldo has a weak chin, to have been champion all this time.
Weird.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 04:18:56 pm
KO punches aren't about hitting super hard, they're about hitting the right place and your opponent not seeing it coming.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: F i n on December 13, 2015, 04:26:03 pm
Plus aldo was litterally leaning in while knocked out. So basically he knocken himself out 50 %+
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 13, 2015, 04:26:12 pm
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Accuracy beats Power, Timing beats Speed.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Butan on December 13, 2015, 04:39:34 pm
Blus aldo was litterally leaning in while knocked out. So basically he knocken himself out 50 %+

McGregor was himself leaning out, and only threw a half assed counter.
The punch was weak but it completely shocked Aldo, cant argue against human biology I guess!
Wish it had been longer, and both opponents had been able to show how much they can sustain!
I really prefer endurance fight, I guess UFC is not for me  :P
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Soulreaver on December 13, 2015, 04:42:42 pm
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Among those who went home with an extra $50,000 check are Conor McGregor, Luke Rockhold and Chris Weidman

rly?
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Utrakil on December 13, 2015, 04:45:46 pm
why you think that was a weak punch. watch again and you will see that he generates power from his hips and shoulders into that punch. so there was some force behind it. Obviously enough when hitting a good spot.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 04:47:25 pm
Blus aldo was litterally leaning in while knocked out. So basically he knocken himself out 50 %+
Not true at all. Aldo threw a standard combination. He wasn't "literally leaning in" or "knocking himself out" or "bullrushing McGregor." McGregor just had perfect timing and accuracy. Aldo had to commit to compensate for the reach disadvantage.

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Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: F i n on December 13, 2015, 04:50:53 pm
Not true at all. Aldo threw a standard combination. He wasn't "literally leaning in" or "knocking himself out" or "bullrushing McGregor." McGregor just had perfect timing and accuracy. Aldo had to commit to compensate for the reach disadvantage.

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Im talking center of gravity and momentum here. Look at his vektor and stance at the moment mcgregor lands the hit.

(not trying to take away any credit off mcgregor - he did the right thing at the right time with a good eye. But theres no point in denying the physics.)
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 05:07:28 pm
What about his "vektor and stance"? His movement is textbook. You can't hit someone with a longer reach by leaning back.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Butan on December 13, 2015, 05:09:43 pm
From this replay I can already see more power generated indeed.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: F i n on December 13, 2015, 05:10:30 pm
From this replay I can already see more power generated indeed.

Thats all im saying mr. Xant.

Of course he had to get closer and move foward cus of reach, but thats not my point. Im not judging or doubting what hes doing, im merely stating the fact that it added a lot of force to the well delivered punch and left him in a vulnerable and instable position. As a reply to butans initial post.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 05:11:09 pm
Look at the Ref's quick run before he even hit the ground. I'm sure the Ref was on the take just in case something like this would've happened otherwise.


Not true at all. Aldo threw a standard combination. He wasn't "literally leaning in" or "knocking himself out" or "bullrushing McGregor." McGregor just had perfect timing and accuracy. Aldo had to commit to compensate for the reach disadvantage.

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rly?

Guessing it's the Fight of the Night bonus.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 05:19:16 pm
Thats all im saying mr. Xant.

Of course he had to get closer and move foward cus of reach, but thats not my point. Im not judging or doubting what hes doing, im merely stating the fact that it added a lot of force to the well delivered punch and left him in a vulnerable and instable position. As a reply to butans initial post.
I get that, but it's not like he's sprinting forward with his chin up. Wouldn't have made a difference if he was standing still, most of the force came from McGregor.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Soulreaver on December 13, 2015, 05:36:08 pm
ronda rouseD.  Aldo could try to take him down after the 1st fake swing
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 05:38:26 pm
This is me after seeing Aldo get ''KO'd'' and realizing we all gotta live with all annoying Conor fangirls and Conor bots on youtube.


Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 13, 2015, 06:17:59 pm
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There's no " " about it.  Aldo got KO'd, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 13, 2015, 06:31:12 pm
They should let fight go on after knockout like in boxing, looked like he could have gotten up and recovered within a 10 count.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 13, 2015, 06:37:32 pm
They should let fight go on after knockout like in boxing, looked like he could have gotten up and recovered within a 10 count.

No 10 count in MMA.  The Ref has to make a decision if a fighter can defend himself or not.  I
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Utrakil on December 13, 2015, 06:37:44 pm
They should let fight go on after knockout like in boxing, looked like he could have gotten up and recovered within a 10 count.
This would completly undermine the idea of MMA.
And furthermore it would imply a heavy risk for the fighters health.
One concussion is already bad enough. but the longterm harm done by it adds up significantly if there are several consecutive concussions.
And what clearer win can there be as one man down unable to protect himselve anymore.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 06:39:10 pm
They should let fight go on after knockout like in boxing, looked like he could have gotten up and recovered within a 10 count.

More brain derpy ppl in Boxing than MMA though. Maybe getting up to be KO'd again and again isn't that healthy long term-wise.

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There's no " " about it.  Aldo got KO'd, pure and simple.

Well if it was a dive but still took the shot it's still ''KO'd''. Inner tinfoil hatness intensifies but still.


But whatever. Overeem got a heavyweight match of the decade coming up next week. Jon Jones is back. Yoel Romero is on a warpath and is serving Jesus. And finally, UFC 200 is just around the corner. Who cares about the Featherweights?
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 06:39:37 pm
They should let fight go on after knockout like in boxing, looked like he could have gotten up and recovered within a 10 count.
... Why?
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 13, 2015, 07:04:06 pm
McGregor was himself leaning out, and only threw a half assed counter.
The punch was weak but it completely shocked Aldo, cant argue against human biology I guess!
Wish it had been longer, and both opponents had been able to show how much they can sustain!
I really prefer endurance fight, I guess UFC is not for me  :P
It was a clean perfectly executed counter punch against an opponent who was moving forward, by a heavy-handed boxer as well. Nothing controversial about it.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 13, 2015, 07:07:46 pm
Not true at all. Aldo threw a standard combination. He wasn't "literally leaning in" or "knocking himself out" or "bullrushing McGregor." McGregor just had perfect timing and accuracy. Aldo had to commit to compensate for the reach disadvantage.
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Yup. The combination ALdo was throwing was good (he even connected as he was getting KOd), but Conor saw it coming and countered flawlessly. Besides, it's not a smart idea to attack a southpaw with a heavy left hand with an overextended right hook.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 13, 2015, 07:13:44 pm
More brain derpy ppl in Boxing than MMA though. Maybe getting up to be KO'd again and again isn't that healthy long term-wise.

Well if it was a dive but still took the shot it's still ''KO'd''. Inner tinfoil hatness intensifies but still.


But whatever. Overeem got a heavyweight match of the decade coming up next week. Jon Jones is back. Yoel Romero is on a warpath and is serving Jesus. And finally, UFC 200 is just around the corner. Who cares about the Featherweights?
You can even see Aldo's toes curl up after he gets hit. How the fuck could that be a dive. That's just nerd rage now!
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 07:18:44 pm
There are a lot of people trying to discredit McGregor's win by either saying it was a fixed match (lol) or that Aldo went full retard and just ran at McGregor with his chin up. Was it a good tactic to commit right off the bat, before getting the rhythm down? No, probably not, but his footwork wasn't bad and the combination he threw was a legit, standard one.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Molly on December 13, 2015, 07:23:51 pm
Fixed match is obvious bullshit which is for everyone to see (curled toes) and if Aldo went full retard it's his own fault.

Besides, Aldo was fully teared up after the knock out. That fucking beast of a fighter was crying.
I personally think that McGregor got in his head. When you're undefeated for 10 years (!) and suddenly someone appears who has obviously all the skill and tools to defeat you, that's adding pressure. Not to mention all the shit McGregor pulled on him...

I do hope for a proper re-match in 12 to 18 months tho.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 13, 2015, 07:25:05 pm
There are a lot of people trying to discredit McGregor's win by either saying it was a fixed match (lol) or that Aldo went full retard and just ran at McGregor with his chin up. Was it a good tactic to commit right off the bat, before getting the rhythm down? No, probably not, but his footwork wasn't bad and the combination he threw was a legit, standard one.

His combination was bad, that's why he got knocked out. Who starts a fight off with a right hook into a left hook against a southpaw who has a reach advantage?
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 07:46:52 pm
His combination was bad, that's why he got knocked out. Who starts a fight off with a right hook into a left hook against a southpaw who has a reach advantage?
Don't know? Aldo didn't throw a right hook in the match.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Beauchamp on December 13, 2015, 07:48:59 pm
so I've been waiting for this for 2 months since I jumped on the hype train :D :D :D
they should just reset and do fight number 2 after 2 mins :)
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 13, 2015, 07:49:54 pm
so I've been waiting for this for 2 months since I jumped on the hype train :D :D :D
they should just reset and do fight number 2 after 2 mins :)


Imagine how people that paid to watch the fight must feel.

Don't know? Aldo didn't throw a right hook in the match.

He feinted one or drew it back right before he threw the left one.  Watch the replay
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 07:58:32 pm

He feinted one or drew it back right before he threw the left one.  Watch the replay
Yes, I watched it. It was a feint, and looks more like a straight than a hook. Nothing wrong with that combination.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 13, 2015, 08:21:50 pm
Don't know? Aldo didn't throw a right hook in the match.

Fighting against southpaw is difficult, you want to step to the outside of their lead foot, usually this is done moving forward with a jab or slipping a punch. He feinted a right hook into a left hook, prolly the most dangerous combination against a Southpaw.

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 09:13:26 pm
Fighting against southpaw is difficult, you want to step to the outside of their lead foot, usually this is done moving forward with a jab or slipping a punch. He feinted a right hook into a left hook, prolly the most dangerous combination against a Southpaw.

He didn't. He feinted a right straight, which would have worked except McGregor didn't buy the feint for some reason. Could be he didn't even see it coming and just got lucky. If Conor had tried to block it he wouldn't have been able to throw a left hook, which would have allowed Aldo's left hook to hit him first. Instead Conor went for his own left hook, completely ignoring the feint. Which would have been bad for him, had it not been a feint.

Look at the gif. Conor's chin is completely open, and the only thing saving him is that Aldo doesn't commit with his right.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 13, 2015, 09:32:20 pm
He didn't. He feinted a right straight, which would have worked except McGregor didn't buy the feint for some reason. Could be he didn't even see it coming and just got lucky. If Conor had tried to block it he wouldn't have been able to throw a left hook, which would have allowed Aldo's left hook to hit him first. Instead Conor went for his own left hook, completely ignoring the feint. Which would have been bad for him, had it not been a feint.

Noone would buy that feint, it was impossible to land from that distance.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Butan on December 13, 2015, 09:35:32 pm
It was a clean perfectly executed counter punch against an opponent who was moving forward, by a heavy-handed boxer as well. Nothing controversial about it.

I dont think this is a controversial match, just the weakest way it could have ended  :?  super fast and with a surgically-precise half assed strike.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 09:36:36 pm
Noone would buy that feint, it was impossible to land from that distance.
I guess the #1 p4p fighter doesn't know as much about feinting as you, then.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: //saxon on December 13, 2015, 09:53:32 pm
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Leshma on December 13, 2015, 10:41:41 pm
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 13, 2015, 11:19:00 pm
I guess the #1 p4p fighter doesn't know as much about feinting as you, then.

Jon Jones knows more about feinting than any1. Wathu talkin bout


Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 13, 2015, 11:31:08 pm
http://www.ufc.ca/rankings
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 14, 2015, 12:02:22 am
http://www.ufc.ca/rankings

No shit but if you didn't know, Aldo was added as the #1 P4P AFTER Jones was suspended for the running over pregnant woman while high on weed and bailing controversy. But we all know Jones has more credibility as 1 #P4P than Aldo. Just super saiyan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Aldo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Jones

Compare the two and look at what fights they've both been in. And how unlike Aldo, Jones only defeat was by a faulty DQ (he had pretty much the match won). Jones opponents are some of the all time greats and legitimate threats. Aldo has had a few legit threats but a lot of just stat padded victories by beating cans.

In addition to being changed to the #1 P4P after the Jones controversy, he was also added to gather more hype for the McGregor fight. Besides Anthony Johnson, Jon Jones cleaned the division that had the most dominant contenders around.

Also a pro with Jones is that you know his fights will never be scripted/staged/opponents take dives because he's so damn good at using dirty fighting to his advantage that he'll destroy his opponents regardless.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 14, 2015, 12:06:56 am
I guess the #1 p4p fighter doesn't know as much about feinting as you, then.

Most people won't care if the right is a feint or not at that distance, they just counter on instinct because they know they will beat you to the punch.

https://streamable.com/6dbr
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 14, 2015, 12:28:38 am

https://streamable.com/6dbr

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Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 14, 2015, 12:32:22 am
Most people won't care if the right is a feint or not at that distance, they just counter on instinct because they know they will beat you to the punch.

https://streamable.com/6dbr
That makes no sense. Anyone can see from the gif that if Aldo's punch had been real, it would have connected, and it would have connected before Conor's hook. Conor is good, but he can't beat physics yet.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 14, 2015, 12:48:33 am
That makes no sense. Anyone can see from the gif that if Aldo's punch had been real, it would have connected, and it would have connected before Conor's hook. Conor is good, but he can't beat physics yet.

Nah no chance of that right landing
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 14, 2015, 01:20:11 am
He didn't fully turn his chest and only half-way extended his arm and it was still really close to Conor's chest. If you think that right wouldn't have landed then I don't know what to tell you, apparently you don't know how to punch. It would've literally landed before Conor's punch even if he kept his arm only half-extended and didn't turn in, just by keeping his forward momentum going.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Grytviken on December 14, 2015, 04:43:23 am
He didn't fully turn his chest and only half-way extended his arm and it was still really close to Conor's chest. If you think that right wouldn't have landed then I don't know what to tell you, apparently you don't know how to punch. It would've literally landed before Conor's punch even if he kept his arm only half-extended and didn't turn in, just by keeping his forward momentum going.

not even close watch in .25 speed.

Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Ujin on December 14, 2015, 10:01:53 am


watch from ~ 1:15 \/


P.S. can't wait for the LW matchups, but a Frankie Edgar fight could be really great too. He won't get into Frankie's head for sure.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Xant on December 14, 2015, 12:28:54 pm
not even close watch in .25 speed.

Because it's a feint and he pulls his hand back....
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Butan on December 17, 2015, 01:17:56 pm
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Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: LordBerenger on December 17, 2015, 06:20:13 pm
Jose Aldo took a dive
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Paul on December 19, 2015, 10:59:15 pm
He scraped the chin but that's actually the worst that can happen for the receiver. Then you apply force at the furthest point of the lever the skull creates with the neck as the fulcrum and the brain crashing into the skull walls at the other end of it. If McGregor had hit him on the cheek or nose instead most of the blow would have absorbed by the neck muscles and maybe waking Aldo up from his nervousness in the process. Great placement.
Title: Re: Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th
Post by: Turkhammer on December 21, 2015, 04:37:27 am
Jose Aldo took a dive

He sure did, right to the canvas when he was knocked out