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cRPG => Game Admin Feedback => Topic started by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:20:01 pm

Title: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:20:01 pm
So i just got banned from Thomek without any reason gg good admin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be

one with Thomek ------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG5kZqlSss&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Tore on March 28, 2014, 10:22:12 pm
nice
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 10:22:21 pm
Do I need to post logs? Prove to us with video of your hand, like you told,  that you are not using macros.

Then you will be unbanned asap.

@Nordwolf. Macros are cheating in the way he might be using them. If of course he is using them.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Nordwolf on March 28, 2014, 10:22:31 pm
Well the reason was macros.

As much as I think you're using them, just thinking is not a reason for ban.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on March 28, 2014, 10:23:16 pm
unban for essay (video) top lel
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:23:39 pm
Allright i'll do one, but banning without any proovment is good yo right
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 10:24:45 pm
Make a side by side video. Sync it up with audio from the game.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:27:12 pm
i will, but is it correct that u can just randomly ban everyone u say is using macros without proovment ?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 28, 2014, 10:27:51 pm
If of course he is using them.

So you ban someone because he might possibly be cheating... :rolleyes:

I'm as anti-cheater as you can be (I think modifying your game files is cheating), but you should be sure someone is cheating before banning them...

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Nintendo on March 28, 2014, 10:29:00 pm
Do I need to post logs? Prove to us with video of your hand, like you told,  that you are not using macros.

Then you will be unbanned asap.

@Nordwolf. Macros are cheating in the way he might be using them. If of course he is using them.

Mad cuz got owned ay?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Miwiw on March 28, 2014, 10:29:33 pm
Shouldn't he be feinting slower on a server with a higher ping, ie. NA servers. So if he's banned on all EU servers, he cannot prove it? Or doesn't the ban include EU4, the new Balde server (if that server is online, I don't know).
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:30:36 pm
Miwiw it's just laughable
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Vibe on March 28, 2014, 10:31:48 pm
As much as I don't approve the usage of macros, but since when are admins allowed to ban on assumptions?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:32:06 pm
the video is done, i will upload it now
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 28, 2014, 10:33:12 pm
mad cuz bad(min)  8-)

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If you're going to start banning people on assumptions, maybe we can start banning, you know, actual cheaters (which you can easily detect).  Like the people modifying their game files so arrows are bright pink, or pikes are neon orange.  Or removing hay stacks, and bushes (or leaves on trees) from the game?  Or removing fog from their client?

There's lots of things that you can crack down on and find actual cheaters, but people are going to start getting banned based on assumptions and accusations?  Talk about terrible administrating. 
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 10:39:11 pm
Macro users are actual cheaters. Using a 3rd party software to do inhuman things. It's bannable as hell. And I want to start banning for it.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Nintendo on March 28, 2014, 10:40:28 pm
mad cuz bad(min)  8-)

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If you're going to start banning people on assumptions, maybe we can start banning, you know, actual cheaters (which you can easily detect).  Like the people modifying their game files so arrows are bright pink, or pikes are neon orange.  Or removing hay stacks, and bushes (or leaves on trees) from the game?  Or removing fog from their client?

There's lots of things that you can crack down on and find actual cheaters, but people are going to start getting banned based on assumptions and accusations?  Talk about terrible administrating.

Would destroy the playerbase, not something yo ucan afford while working on a new game  :wink:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 28, 2014, 10:44:50 pm
So do you have any actual proof for this, Thomek?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 10:45:27 pm
Why you so curious?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Vibe on March 28, 2014, 10:46:30 pm
Why you so curious?

because it looks like you don't have a single proof
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 10:47:47 pm
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:48:00 pm
So do you have any actual proof for this, Thomek?
he doesn't

video is in 20 min up, it's uploading right now
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 28, 2014, 10:49:40 pm
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.

You should take some recordings of the person in question at least if all your going on is your gut.  Rather than forcing the player to be the one to disprove they are cheating.   I've played a lot of online games, some competitively, and what you did is about as shady as it gets for an admin.  Unless we're talking about a counter-strike server run by scrubs, but then again, I would have been glad to find out that I was in such a terrible server and have left for greener pastures.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Vibe on March 28, 2014, 10:51:36 pm
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.

the only thing that is spottable with the naked eye right here is you banning people based on what you THINK they did
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 10:52:49 pm
the only thing that is spottable with the naked eye right here is you banning people based on what you THINK they did
exactly lol
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: the real god emperor on March 28, 2014, 10:54:16 pm
he doesn't

video is in 20 min up, it's uploading right now

not on youtube, please :(

wow, Qoray maybe a my old friend but he is not a cheater, lolfeinting is a common move among all native players, i know it because a friend of mine tried macro feinting like a year ago , and I can tell you its not like lolfeinting (which you pretty much randomly rape your mouse) .

free qoray
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 10:55:16 pm
Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.

I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.

 
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: the real god emperor on March 28, 2014, 10:57:31 pm
Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.

I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.

Yes, we all are against macro users.But there is no proof that Qoray is one.Thats what the whole thread is about
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 28, 2014, 10:57:37 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Vibe on March 28, 2014, 10:59:45 pm
Ok so people find all kinds of excuses when they get beat, accusing people of using feint macros etc etc. Who the fuck really knows if he's using a macro or not, some are just good feinters.

Now we're gonna start banning on rumors and hearsay without any real proof? And it is up to you, Thomek, to decide that people are allowed to be banned without providing any real proof?
What's next, some really good archer gets banned because he's destroying people on the server and butthurt people accuse him of aimbot? Or maybe it's enough to piss you off, Thomek?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 28, 2014, 11:01:23 pm
Drama! Lovely!
Someone call Christo, fast!
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 28, 2014, 11:01:58 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 28, 2014, 11:02:15 pm
Strip Thomek of ADMIN.

Fuck, NA admins got stripped for leeching in battle while playing peasents and EU admins can just ban on what they think is feinting and no rules to support it.

GG Mod'z deadz.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thranduil on March 28, 2014, 11:03:06 pm
The problem is your decision to ban him is just too subjective. He might be using macros for all I know, but that's not something you can determine from the logs or his kdr. If I may infer from your posts, it is something you have to detect by watching him play. That itself is very subjective, and subject to variables such as lag spikes and fps drops; however, I do think that after watching him for a few rounds, it would become apparent whether or not he is using some form of software assistance. Even then, I imagine there are those in the community (some who may glitch/macro or w/e, and many who do not but still do not trust the admins) who would not find the decision to ban a player based only on this to be scrupulous. I think either another admin should be able to verify such a cheat/hack is being used, or accompany the ban with a video showing clearly the offense being done.

**EDIT** I always take too long thinking out what I want to say before I post. Ppl beat me to it for what I wanted to say.  :?


***DBL EDIT***
Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.

I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.

The thing is, making an example of someone you have not yet proven is a macro user is no way to satiate the masses. Actually, they just want a scapegoat, someone to be angry with, and right now, you're filling that role nicely. So sorry. :(
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 28, 2014, 11:05:23 pm
The problem is your decision to ban him is just too subjective. He might be using macros for all I know, but that's not something you can determine from the logs or his kdr. If I may infer from your posts, it is something you have to detect by watching him play. That itself is very subjective, and subject to variables such as lag spikes and fps drops; however, I do think that after watching him for a few rounds, it would become apparent whether or not he is using some form of software assistance. Even then, I imagine there are those in the community (some who may glitch/macro or w/e, and many who do not but still do not trust the admins) who would not find the decision to ban a player based only on this to be scrupulous. I think either another admin should be able to verify such a cheat/hack is being used, or accompany the ban with a video showing clearly the offense being done.

Or jack all should be done. We can Modify our Textures, we can modify our usable keys(without WSE some wouldn't have been changeable unless you did use a greater macro).

Down w/ Thomek's Admin rights.

Oh hey, Moved to the "Nobody Cares Thread"

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: San on March 28, 2014, 11:13:26 pm
O_O

Sounds like a can of worms to me to deal with it. Not aware of this problem on NA, so it's probably difficult for some of us to relate to the issue.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: imisshotmail on March 28, 2014, 11:14:44 pm
Thomek is such a shitbag person and admin Holy shit. The defintion of a "mad bad", a pathetic nerd with no control over his own life who must turn to banning other people in a video game over sketchy opinions to fufill his own power fantasies. What a fucking scumbag.

Honestly go kill yourself, worthless human being.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 11:15:41 pm
Thank you for feedback sir! I will keep that one close to my heart.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:17:06 pm
video is here -----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Duty Calls on March 28, 2014, 11:17:40 pm
Thank you for feedback sir! I will keep that one close to my heart.

Thomek is scum and a liar, he said men could wear dresses and they can't! I HATE HIM!

PS SUPPORT THE DRESSES FOR MEN MOVEMENT

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/i'm-just-disgusted/msg971200/#msg971200
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:18:39 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 28, 2014, 11:21:14 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Tore on March 28, 2014, 11:22:43 pm
REKT
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on March 28, 2014, 11:23:09 pm
Fucking fuck macros fuck fuck
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: a_bear_irl on March 28, 2014, 11:24:45 pm
thomek maybe hit up the duel server if those completely unremarkable feints are too much for you to handle
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:24:59 pm
So Thomek...
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 28, 2014, 11:25:32 pm
To be fair you should do one in cRPG
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:26:16 pm
i coudn't cause i am banned.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 28, 2014, 11:27:04 pm
there's still NA and unofficial servers
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:28:41 pm
there's still NA and unofficial servers
ok that's true didn't thought about that, but still there's no differnce he didn't have any proof and i still show with the video that i don't use macros and how easy those feints are to make, u should also know that wayyyyne as i know u're a good 2hander
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 28, 2014, 11:28:47 pm
Was in your ts once, you and your buddies were talking about macros in german ...
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:30:37 pm
wow such proof, much good

right lel

i made my part thomek so unban me now pls.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Leshma on March 28, 2014, 11:31:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be

Nice try. Too bad that's not what you're doing while playing cRPG. That's bunch of random bullshit even random scum like me can pull off. And it's too damn slow, even on native. In cRPG you do the same pattern every damn time and do it for fraction of time compared to what you've shown on the video.

Sorry bro but you're the only guy who's constantly feinting very very fast, always the same pattern and doing that 4 hours straight while playing cRPG.

Nice Razer Naga there, very useful for... RECORDING MACROS :lol:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:33:45 pm
Nice try. Too bad that's not what you're doing while playing cRPG. That's bunch of random bullshit even random scum like me can pull off. And it's too damn slow, even on native. In cRPG you do the same pattern every damn time and do it for fraction of time compared to what you've shown on the video.

Sorry bro but you're the only guy who's constantly feinting very very fast, always the same pattern and doing that 4 hours straight while playing cRPG.

Nice Razer Naga there, very useful for... RECORDING MACROS :lol:
Sure i can go faster with my finger clicking on the right, i play this game for fking 3 years mostly native and i trained those feints every single combination of them, it's true Razer Naga has a macro function, nearly every mouse with costs mor than 20 euros got that, but where the point in uncontroled way of feinting tell me ? I don't use macros i never did and i never will.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Moncho on March 28, 2014, 11:34:11 pm
How long is the ban for?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 28, 2014, 11:34:23 pm
Should be obvious, but crpg video of course.

Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
iam even telling that in the video sir
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:35:52 pm
ok, tell me the server i record a second one, and this time superfast feints all made with my hands as leshma wishes.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 28, 2014, 11:36:49 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:37:04 pm
tell me the server thomek and we both join it.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: BASNAK on March 28, 2014, 11:37:24 pm
I tried to copy what you did and fuck no could I do that longer than a couple of minutes:

 A) It made me dizzy spinning and shit and I was like WHATS GOING ON!
 B) Made my hand ache

casual
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 28, 2014, 11:37:55 pm
I tried to copy what you did and fuck no could I do that longer than a couple of minutes:

 A) It made me dizzy spinning and shit and I was like WHATS GOING ON!
 B) Made my hand ache

All about training,

if u've ever seen the game osu! u will see what kind of reactions and stamina u can get.

u also don't learn a whole language for example in one day, u'll just get better by practising
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Leshma on March 28, 2014, 11:40:47 pm
Regardless if you get unbanned or not, something wonderful happened today. Now I'm sure that when chadz or cmp see this little video of yours, stamina system for their game will be on the list to implement :wink:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: BlueKnight on March 28, 2014, 11:41:14 pm
Give RasFrenzy an admin and watch cRPG being cleansed from cheaters.

Thomek you have gone too far again!
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: DielER on March 28, 2014, 11:48:38 pm
Qoray gimme ur looms :P
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Macropus on March 28, 2014, 11:49:48 pm
What should be done is:
1) Both Qoray and Thomek join the server
2) Qoray feints while recording and then asks if it's what Thomek considers macros
3) If Thomek says "Yes those are macros to me" Qoray uploads the video. If Thomek says "No it's not macros yet you should try macros", Qoray stays banned forever because he's unable to convince Thomek he's feinting as hard as he can.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Kato on March 28, 2014, 11:51:40 pm
Not really impressed, native server and bunch of random feints, easily done by anybody who know hold attack button down "trick".

At least do the pattern that you usually use.

Ban like this without real evidence is bullshit, of course.

Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 12:01:12 am
I was with Thomek in TS and we made a new vid.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Nordwolf on March 29, 2014, 12:05:02 am
I tried to copy what you did and fuck no could I do that longer than a couple of minutes:

 A) It made me dizzy spinning and shit and I was like WHATS GOING ON!
 B) Made my hand ache
I tried to copy that and it wasn't hard at all, though with my playstyle it doesn't add much. In some situations I use such thing as a single feint every day.

Also you don't need to move your mouse like crazy, only very slight movements are needed for that.

Edit: Also I have a very old office mouse with partly broken right button (If you press it in some places, particulary in front of the mouse, it doesn't react).
Edit2: And I usually release the left mouse button for a split moment which sometimes makes it even faster.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thranduil on March 29, 2014, 12:11:35 am
I was with Thomek in TS and we made a new vid.

We all hang with bated breath.

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 29, 2014, 12:25:04 am
I was with Thomek in TS and we made a new vid.

so where is it?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 12:27:21 am
Doesn't matter. He hasn't broken a single rule.

Macro's are not against the rules at all. Thomek lives in Russia, so I guess it shows. :lol:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Macropus on March 29, 2014, 12:28:14 am
Thomek lives in Russia, so I guess it shows. :lol:
Why so racist tho!
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 12:43:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG5kZqlSss&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 12:44:51 am
Why so racist tho!

Common Knowledge Russia be corrupt. :wink:

Russians aren't a Race, either*. Slav is though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG5kZqlSss&feature=youtu.be

Yup, mad cuz bad. Thomek has OBV not seen some of the Native tournaments that are recorded. Those guys look like macroing, but it's just super spammy mouse.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Zhyang on March 29, 2014, 12:48:57 am
because sjarken made that thread about macro users because he was probably mad because someone can feint like that you NOW start banning because of macros? why not before and without a single proof..wow
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Macropus on March 29, 2014, 12:50:00 am
Common Knowledge Russia be corrupt. :wink:

Russians aren't a Race, either*. Slav is though.
Yeah okay but Thomek is neither Russian or lives in Russia.  :)
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 12:50:03 am
Doesn't matter. He hasn't broken a single rule.

Macro's are not against the rules at all. Thomek lives in Russia, so I guess it shows. :lol:

Macros are cheating, thus against the rules. I live in Poland, compared to Russia it's like paradise here. I'm really happy here even, thinking about staying for longer! And I'm Norwegian..
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 12:51:17 am
because sjarken made that thread about macro users because he was probably mad because someone can feint like that you NOW start banning because of macros? why not before and without a single proof..wow

it's alright zhyang i've spoken with thomek about all and we made the video that for
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Zhyang on March 29, 2014, 12:51:45 am


Yup, mad cuz bad. Thomek has OBV not seen some of the Native tournaments that are recorded. Those guys look like macroing, but it's just super spammy mouse.

you dont need a a super spammy mouse..a cheap 10€mouse can do the same
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 12:54:40 am
Macros are cheating, thus against the rules. I live in Poland, compared to Russia it's like paradise here. I'm really happy here even, thinking about staying for longer! And I'm Norwegian..

OH...I thought you said you was living in Russia.(the Urkaine Thread) Meh.

Define what rule they are classified under as cheating, please? Because if they are, then we might as well ban all textures that are not in game native.

Please, just stick to bans for TKs, Leeching, and else.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on March 29, 2014, 02:05:18 am
Common Knowledge Russia be corrupt. :wink:

Russians aren't a Race, either*. Slav is though.

Yup, mad cuz bad. Thomek has OBV not seen some of the Native tournaments that are recorded. Those guys look like macroing, but it's just super spammy mouse.
Russians should be a race since every other slav hates them.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: MURDERTRON on March 29, 2014, 04:11:27 am
Thomek, I hearby request, on behalf of the CRPG community that you step down as admin.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Smoothrich on March 29, 2014, 07:46:24 am
I'm not reading the thread outside the first page, but it certainly seems like Thomek had a "hunch" someone was cheating, then (perma?)banned someone in order to make a point, probably the accused person is a troll or community rival in some way, further fueling Thomek to take action and make a point about some cheating trend that is very difficult for regular level admins to do anything about.

Basically this is exactly the same crap I did that got me deadminned when I permabanned Kesh for suspected multiaccounting in Strategus. Community outrage and hilarious Behind the Scenes admin drama led to my respectful dismissal (and threats at my own permaban) within a couple days.

Arguably I even had more evidence in my case, though I admit it was all circumstantial.

Hell, I fully expected to lose my admin position, since I was very blatantly overstepping my bounds as a trash tier operator level admin, since all of those hacks and crap can only be looked at by the real devs of the game, who are all too busy with their own projects usually to investigate issues like multiaccounting, editing files, marketplace/leech bots, whatever BS. If you are an active admin you can get irritated at not being able to do much except act like a daycare supervisor, handing out timeouts to teamkillers and closing ban request threads, when people do way more annoying things that you can't catch.

Basically let's all hope that Melee Gaming, when it expands and releases future titles, have employees or programs or whatever to stomp down on blatant cheating, since people will always figure out the most bs ways to grief/hack/win at a very competitive, skill-based game like this, and when it doesn't get fixed, can lead to lots of frustration with the community.

But until then, Thomek must be respectefully fired from his admin position, and many private pastebins of him colluding with other cRPG members posted, of the most corrupt and vile nature.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: jtobiasm on March 29, 2014, 10:34:26 am
Thomek has always been a shit admin, funny as fk to see him cock up like this.

thy should step down thomek, every month someone posts and mugs u off hahhahahahahh
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Perverz on March 29, 2014, 10:53:47 am
video is here -----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be

what a fucking mouse and keyboard with so fucking many buttons and everything fucking glow like in fucking circus you  fucker.
for what  the fuck are this fucking numbers on your fucking mouse you fucking fuck? for the fucking phone dialing for fuck sake?!

stop fucking use fuck word you fuck....


fucking cheers!

p.s. im horny now, im go to fuck my fucking heand. fuckers  :wink:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Latvian on March 29, 2014, 11:01:38 am
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lolopl saw myself standing next to you, i am famous

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Bulzur on March 29, 2014, 11:13:06 am
Problem is, this all issue is just drama.

As much as i'd love to se all macro users and people messing up with the graphics with super pink bright colors, you just can't prove it.

"Hey, he shot me while i was in a bush, no way he could have seen me, he cheated and deleted all the bush meshes ! Ban he !"
"I was running behind him, quite silently, and he suddenly turned and slashed me ! He has eyes on his back (or a second monitor with perma "back look") Cheating ! Ban he !"
"The folk is obviously using macro feinting, look at all thoses feints, four hours straight. After 2h of duel, my hands get sour, who is this bot ? BAN !"



So, sorry Thomek, this is just, unfortunately, you in the wrong. I certainly do hope M:BG will not allow such pesky users to gain any kind of advantage, or be able to detect and ban them. But in Crpg, it's just impossible.

And ultimately, i'm amazed how Qoray think that posting one video of one duel, lasting one minute, with some feints, proves that he's not using macros in general.
Thomek can't prove that you're guilty, but you also can't prove that you're innocent. Sorry dude. Not that it would change anything.


There's still around 3 users that i despise since i believe they're using macros, with feints faster than the "bit harder than casual" one's that Qoray showed in his video, but who cares. I'm using a bow, and boy do i love shooting all those great presumably-cheating Gods. Of course, you'll see them complaining of range on forums afterwards, but that's another story.


Finally, i don't understand why this dozens of people want Thomek banned. Do you really believe life in Crpg will be better without him as an Eu admin ? If yes, then you're a prick who hates ninja, a cheater, or a delayer. Your call. We already have so few admins active, and you'll want to remove one.
Incoming IRC complaints : "Send someone on EU-1 please, we need someone banned."
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Paul on March 29, 2014, 11:25:58 am
[...]

Thomek is chaotic good while you are chaotic evil at best. While he always means well, he does get out of control sometimes. You just want to destroy. He deserves more chances, you didn't deserve one to begin with.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 11:55:21 am
Problem is, this all issue is just drama.

As much as i'd love to se all macro users and people messing up with the graphics with super pink bright colors, you just can't prove it.

"Hey, he shot me while i was in a bush, no way he could have seen me, he cheated and deleted all the bush meshes ! Ban he !"
"I was running behind him, quite silently, and he suddenly turned and slashed me ! He has eyes on his back (or a second monitor with perma "back look") Cheating ! Ban he !"
"The folk is obviously using macro feinting, look at all thoses feints, four hours straight. After 2h of duel, my hands get sour, who is this bot ? BAN !"

So tell me what iam able to do else to proofe that i don't use them hm ?

So, sorry Thomek, this is just, unfortunately, you in the wrong. I certainly do hope M:BG will not allow such pesky users to gain any kind of advantage, or be able to detect and ban them. But in Crpg, it's just impossible.

And ultimately, i'm amazed how Qoray think that posting one video of one duel, lasting one minute, with some feints, proves that he's not using macros in general.
Thomek can't prove that you're guilty, but you also can't prove that you're innocent. Sorry dude. Not that it would change anything.


There's still around 3 users that i despise since i believe they're using macros, with feints faster than the "bit harder than casual" one's that Qoray showed in his video, but who cares. I'm using a bow, and boy do i love shooting all those great presumably-cheating Gods. Of course, you'll see them complaining of range on forums afterwards, but that's another story.


Finally, i don't understand why this dozens of people want Thomek banned. Do you really believe life in Crpg will be better without him as an Eu admin ? If yes, then you're a prick who hates ninja, a cheater, or a delayer. Your call. We already have so few admins active, and you'll want to remove one.
Incoming IRC complaints : "Send someone on EU-1 please, we need someone banned."

So tell me what iam able to do else to proofe that i don't use them hm ?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Molly on March 29, 2014, 12:05:30 pm
So tell me what iam able to do else to proofe that i don't use them hm ?
It's the same situation as with GTX. You're stuck with it. In some point in the future people will eventually stop caring :)
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Miwiw on March 29, 2014, 12:30:23 pm
"Hey, he shot me while i was in a bush, no way he could have seen me, he cheated and deleted all the bush meshes ! Ban he !"

So long you can use enemy banners with WSE2, that stays no cheating. ^^
Anyway, I don't think Thomek should step down as admin. He's usually doing a good job though this time he did a decision too quickly.
I doubt that's a reason to take away his admin powers though.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Leshma on March 29, 2014, 01:53:34 pm
Hopefully Thomek will not be punished for making this call. Both videos Qoray posted aren't proving anything because I and many others know very well how Qoray fights and stuff seen in the videos is not it. But we can't prove it, just like Thomek can't prove Qoray is using macros.

But on the other hand, neither Qoray can prove that he isn't using macros and this will probably remain status quo as long crpg is running.

Don't care about native and their crew. From what I saw in cRPG, native players have terrible understanding of the game in general. They might have good and trained twitch reflex, but it's so easy to fool them with simple mind tricks. In my eyes native players are bellow to best cRPG players when it comes to real combat experience.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 02:05:28 pm
Hopefully Thomek will not be punished for making this call. Both videos Qoray posted aren't proving anything because I and many others know very well how Qoray fights and stuff seen in the videos is not it. But we can't prove it, just like Thomek can't prove Qoray is using macros.

But on the other hand, neither Qoray can prove that he isn't using macros and this will probably remain status quo as long crpg is running.

Don't care about native and their crew. From what I saw in cRPG, native players have terrible understanding of the game in general. They might have good and trained twitch reflex, but it's so easy to fool them with simple mind tricks. In my eyes native players are bellow to best cRPG players when it comes to real combat experience.

wait what, in the second video i did all what u wanted the faster feints etc. and Thomek also said to me that he believest me that i don't got macros.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 02:29:16 pm
ok.. ok..

I had a night of sleep, a coffee, some cookies to go with that coffee.  :wink:

First I would like to apologize to Qoray, for picking him more or less at random. I had zero relation to him before the ban, as some people think here, and my impression of him when we talked was of a really cool guy and good sport. He took it very well. (And his anger in the first video is completely understandable, he made it few minutes after the ban.)

The background of this whole drama, were the recent murmurs in the community about people using macros. It felt stupid just ignoring it, and when people ask me openly when we are supposed to do something, the guilt of keeping the silence just boiled over in me. I banned him to see what would happen.

Before we get a system in place to deal with macro-users. All I can ask is for people to stay away from it, please realize we are a small community. This is not a huge game with thousands of players.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: BASNAK on March 29, 2014, 02:42:33 pm
Sometimes I used macros in Runescape to smelt steel bars. Does this make me evil?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on March 29, 2014, 02:43:19 pm
Sometimes I used macros in Runescape to smelt steel bars. Does this make me evil?
put this man in jail ASAP!
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Miwiw on March 29, 2014, 02:53:06 pm
Sometimes I used macros in Runescape to smelt steel bars. Does this make me evil?

No. We do only care about crpg. Doesn't matter what ye do elsewhere.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Nessaj on March 29, 2014, 02:55:00 pm
Don't be silly, there's of course a context to macro use.

Using it to say Hello/Sorry, or otherwise, no problem. Using all sorts of macros in various MMO games is generally accepted due to various tedious tasks implemented (click this 1000 times!), plus the nature of combat in these games is quite different.

If you're using a macro to counter recoil in an FPS, in effect automating the "pulling down" motion with your mouse that is of course flat out cheating. It is basically automating something that shouldn't be automated, you're supposed to do it your self, that's the gameplay.

In the same sense, for cRPG, anything that would automate abilities that you're not supposed to automate is cheating. Saying Hello, I'm sorry, and other minor tasks is of course OK.

Macro's in general is a huge grey area where you need to place a lot in the proper context.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Christo on March 29, 2014, 03:22:05 pm
Problem is, this all issue is just drama.

No no. That is not a problem
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: //saxon on March 29, 2014, 03:39:23 pm
i remember when i was pro at counter strike source, back 5 years ago when i was 16, using macro to buy all my gear with just 1 or 2 keys

the thing is all these years of playing cRPG the amount of times ive seen Thomek do stupid shit as an admin makes me wonder how much the devs care about who they give the rights to

• Changing the map 3 rounds into the current game
• Banning without warning
• Banning people for playing there class
• bad attitude in admin chat

yes i have witnessed all this from Thomek and he has been an admin for long enough to atleast know to get proof before taking a ban action, jesus..
its like an officer of the law just restraining a totally innocent women with her baby and then throwing her straight into jail for life, just to then realize how they fucked up big time

and then posts an apology thread thinking its all going to be ok, baaaaaaadmiiiinn i hope action gets taken for this so called administrating attempt.

i wouldn't even say Thomek made a mistake doing this, it was just plain ignorance.

warning to strip all rights, make the badmin an admin.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 03:59:47 pm
1. Ok, last week I changed to arena, pretty late at nite before the map was done, but it was just a mistake. I even apologized in chat, explaining that I thought map was over.

2. Some pro leecher doing nothing for a map in a row, or through several maps. Sure, has happened a few times. Warning them just makes them wait until admins are gone.

3. I never banned anyone for playing their class. I've kicked, rarely even banned them for useless delaying map after map. But sure, perhaps thats how you want c-rpg to be. Just letting all the most annoying forces free to roam. Unleash the trolls.

4. Apart from late nite trolling for laughs I'm usually very nice.

And your metaphor with a totally innocent baby.. come on. This is crpg, most of us know each other for 3 years.  :D
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: MURDERTRON on March 29, 2014, 04:13:35 pm
There's no gray area because macroing isn't one of the 4 rules.  This is a simple case if an admin finding any reason to ban someone he doesn't like.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 04:18:11 pm
There's no gray area because macroing isn't one of the 4 rules.  This is a simple case if an admin finding any reason to ban someone he doesn't like.

Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.

Do I need to post logs? Prove to us with video of your hand, like you told,  that you are not using macros.

Then you will be unbanned asap.

@Nordwolf. Macros are cheating in the way he might be using them. If of course he is using them.

Macro users are actual cheaters. Using a 3rd party software to do inhuman things. It's bannable as hell. And I want to start banning for it.

Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.

I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.

Just Deadmin already. FFS. NA admins get Deadmined for less.

Oh the best part:
ok.. ok..

I had a night of sleep, a coffee, some cookies to go with that coffee.  :wink:

First I would like to apologize to Qoray, for picking him more or less at random. I had zero relation to him before the ban, as some people think here, and my impression of him when we talked was of a really cool guy and good sport. He took it very well. (And his anger in the first video is completely understandable, he made it few minutes after the ban.)

The background of this whole drama, were the recent murmurs in the community about people using macros. It felt stupid just ignoring it, and when people ask me openly when we are supposed to do something, the guilt of keeping the silence just boiled over in me. I banned him to see what would happen.

Before we get a system in place to deal with macro-users. All I can ask is for people to stay away from it, please realize we are a small community. This is not a huge game with thousands of players.

I banned him to see what would happen.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: //saxon on March 29, 2014, 04:26:58 pm
3. I never banned anyone for playing their class. I've kicked, rarely even banned them for useless delaying map after map
Atas is what you call delaying, literally at the maps corner on a horse with 0 deaths just waiting for the round to end and running away from enemies to survive the round...(every time his team loses)

but last night i quote you on admin chat "stop delay or ban" when the guy was trying to win for his team fighting, playing his class, if the class is in the game then its not against the rules
they are trying to win, i can understand someone on a horse that is not making a single 1x attempt to win, but whenever a player that is out numbered 1 vs 10 or more wins the round by himself everyone licks their ass in congratulations.

you died, there fore you have to wait, if you don't want to wait for the next round then play smart and not reckless, minimize the game and browse forums, facebook, youtube.
are you really that arsed about waiting 1 or 2 mins..complete and utter selfishness.


"I banned him to see what would happen" - Thomek BestAdminWorld
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Kalp on March 29, 2014, 04:34:20 pm
3. I never banned anyone for playing their class. I've kicked, rarely even banned them for useless delaying map after map. But sure, perhaps thats how you want c-rpg to be. Just letting all the most annoying forces free to roam. Unleash the trolls.
pfff like kick/ban lancer just because he killed you at beginning of round with couched lance  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Molly on March 29, 2014, 04:37:42 pm
This really needs to be moved to Chamber of Tears now...

So much QQ :D
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 04:41:59 pm
This really needs to be moved to Chamber of Tears now...

So much QQ :D
Did you even READ his quotes.

That's an admin power trip right there.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 04:46:19 pm
Kalp I cannot recall ever having done that. I have banned some teammates bumping me or others at the start of round, yes. Same, experienced player teammate  on heavy horse, bumping you at full speed 2 rounds in a row 10 secs out of spawn. What am I supposed to think?

And Saxon, did I ban? It's late at night and some HA is shooting at a shield far away while flags are going up. Is he trying to win?

And what is more egoistic you think, letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?

you can multiply those 2mins wasted by everyones time, and it quickly becomes hours of others people time wasted. Thats egoistic.

I just do what I can to try to keep gameplay smooth and flowing.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 04:47:50 pm
nvm double post
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 04:54:31 pm
Kalp I cannot recall ever having done that. I have banned some teammates bumping me or others at the start of round, yes. Same, experienced player teammate  on heavy horse, bumping you at full speed 2 rounds in a row 10 secs out of spawn. What am I supposed to think?

And Saxon, did I ban? It's late at night and some HA is shooting at a shield far away while flags are going up. Is he trying to win?

And what is more egoistic you think, letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?

you can multiply those 2mins wasted by everyones time, and it quickly becomes hours of others people time wasted. Thats egoistic.

I just do what I can to try to keep gameplay smooth and flowing.

Hey, guess what, that's why we have flags, to either force him to commit or continue shooting until flags go up. You have no right to kick for that.

Also please give me more quotes so I can make a remove admin thread now.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 04:59:27 pm
God Anders. Fighting the war for delayers and trolls everywhere. So admins can't do shit about it. GG.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 05:01:42 pm
God Anders. Fighting the war for delayers and trolls everywhere. So admins can't do shit about it. GG.

We got flags, why do you need to worry about it?

Only if they break does it THEN matter. Think you need to take a playbook from NA on this one. That's the SoP on NA. "As long as Flags are NOT broken, then there is no delaying. If flags break, you must engage or else delay."
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 29, 2014, 05:14:07 pm
So thats NA, why do you care about EU? Are you trying to export freedom?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Kalp on March 29, 2014, 05:15:32 pm
Kalp I cannot recall ever having done that.
I remember that situation. Not the name of that player but still [maybe someone from GK, but it doesn't matter]. 2-3 years ago with old lance angle. And he did this like 3 round in row. Before last round you wrote on chat something like: "All right, do this again and I will kick/ban you." Of course he did it, maybe to troll you and after that his "connection to server" lost  :lol:

You are a good admin, but sometimes you need to appear in "mass-media". This is a problem, like referee who want to be a main star in Barcelona-Real match.

And what is more egoistic you think, letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?

Why the hell no one banned Kingrimm yet ? He wasting my time when I'm trying to break his shield  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 29, 2014, 05:16:29 pm
So thats NA, why do you care about EU? Are you trying to export freedom?

Pls NA we don't want your freedom! :lol:
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 05:25:11 pm
So thats NA, why do you care about EU? Are you trying to export freedom?

No Admining without representation!
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 29, 2014, 05:36:36 pm
No Admining without representation!

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Torost on March 29, 2014, 05:38:14 pm
The videos do not prove anything, other than that the player has "advanced" gear with macroabilities.

I fullhearthedly approve of random NKVD-style reprimandes on whim or suspicion.
It is a very costefficient way of keeping antisocial activities to a minimum.

A kick or ban from eu-servers for 2 min ..15 min ..1 hour .. 24 hours.. is not a deathpenalty. No need for 100% certainty, 25% certainty will do just fine.
Bring out your inner utilitarian ... or totalitarian

Thomek best admin! :D
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thranduil on March 29, 2014, 05:43:06 pm
The videos do not prove anything, other than that the player has "advanced" gear with macroabilities.

I fullhearthedly approve of random NKVD-style reprimandes on whim or suspicion.
It is a very costefficient way of keeping antisocial activities to a minimum.

A kick or ban from eu-servers for 2 min ..15 min ..1 hour .. 24 hours.. is not a deathpenalty. No need for 100% certainty, 25% certainty will do just fine.
Bring out your inner utilitarian ... or totalitarian

Thomek best admin! :D

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Miwiw on March 29, 2014, 05:44:30 pm
No Admining without representation!

Actually your opinion doesn't count if a matter affects EU only.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 29, 2014, 05:49:37 pm
Actually your opinion doesn't count if a matter affects EU only.
Have so many things I want to say, but I'm not since that's so off-topic. I'll just let my quotes of badmin thomek speak for themselves.

Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Butan on March 29, 2014, 06:13:06 pm
Everyone dislike macro users, except macro users themselves; they benefit from a lack of a clear infraction frame (hard to detect + hard to prove/unprove) and a bigger artificial skill ceiling.

I'm all for creating clearer rules against macroing, and clear ways to say "this is macro/this is pro skill", to avoid bad interpretations from happening, but until someone step up and do the much awaited and much needed lawmaking, should we really bomb admins for trying? On the case of Thomek, especially, its not like he perma-ed the accused and gave no appeal chance. If we really wanted to play the uber pro lawyers, like everyone is doing in this thread, one could say the accusation Thomek laid out is as invalid as the defender video which proves nothing.


Basically calm your collective tits, and lets use the "momentum" of the re-appareance of that very very old and problematic topic (macros) to finally do something about it that the majority can accept and respect.
If you continue to bomb Thomek, you can be sure he will grow tired of all your bullshit and give up, probably as the whole admin community has already, and you will be able to enjoy your balanced cRPG duels until the next game.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: //saxon on March 29, 2014, 06:17:02 pm
I have banned some teammates bumping me or others at the start of round, yes.
Did you warn them before banning?, i agree its very annoying and it always happens to me but,
i think just a warning and a kick is suitable for this, they could of lagged or had a frame rate drop

letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?
that's why we have flags, to stop delaying, it takes around 30 seconds to raise the flags, if they glitch then yes WARN them that the flags are glitched and to make a last stand.

this game has a spectate after dead feature and by choosing to join EU_1 you accept this feature

BY JOINING THIS SERVER (EU_1) YOU ACCEPT THAT IF YOU DIE YOU CAN BE WAITING FOR UP TO 4 MINUTES
BY CLICKING JOIN SERVER YOU ARE ACCEPTING TO THESE CONDITIONS AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN (EVEN IF YOU ARE ADMIN)


its just like counter strike's competitive message
(click to show/hide)

you can multiply those 2mins wasted by everyones time, and it quickly becomes hours of others people time wasted.
so what im getting at is no one who accepts these conditions can say someone who is "delaying" is wasting their time, they are wasting there own time by accepting to the server conditions
and complaining about it.


Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 06:24:43 pm
The videos do not prove anything, other than that the player has "advanced" gear with macroabilities.

I fullhearthedly approve of random NKVD-style reprimandes on whim or suspicion.
It is a very costefficient way of keeping antisocial activities to a minimum.

A kick or ban from eu-servers for 2 min ..15 min ..1 hour .. 24 hours.. is not a deathpenalty. No need for 100% certainty, 25% certainty will do just fine.
Bring out your inner utilitarian ... or totalitarian

Thomek best admin! :D

how am i supposed to proof iam not then, maybe u wanna visit me here in germany and watch me play ?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 29, 2014, 06:26:42 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: HardRice on March 29, 2014, 06:35:05 pm
Pls NA we don't want your freedom! :lol:
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Qoray on March 29, 2014, 06:38:53 pm
I've had my grievances with Thomek (look at some of my post history), yet after speaking to him a few times in TS and irc, he's actually a pretty chill, relaxed guy that honestly wants the best for the community, (eve if he did make a rash decision) but at least we know there is finally an admin beginning to think (and act, even if wrongly) on these 'cheats.'

Watch you play? Sounds kinda dirty

u trole
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 29, 2014, 06:51:54 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: jtobiasm on March 29, 2014, 07:04:10 pm
It's late at night and some HA is shooting at a shield far away while flags are going up. Is he trying to win?

No, he can't possible be trying to win by shooting someone as a HA.

yet after speaking to him a few times in TS and irc, he's actually a pretty chill, relaxed guy (eve if he did make a rash decision)

LOL, of course he's gunna be pally and lick your arse if he did something wrong and you know/have proof
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 29, 2014, 07:26:44 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: jtobiasm on March 29, 2014, 08:02:29 pm
so at least learn about things before you go ahead and spout shit.

Or what?
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Bulzur on March 29, 2014, 08:25:09 pm
No, he can't possible be trying to win by shooting someone as a HA.


Can we please not bring the all HA-HX delayer problems, please. Not in this kind of thread...

There's people who have fun, watching an HA/HX spend the remaining minute shooting at a shielder, trying to bump shoot him several times, while the shielder teammates are busy pulling the flags up. There's others who find that boring, since the outcome is 99% of time already decided, and they themselves chased the HA/HX all round, for nothing, so are also a bit butthurt. The round will end in :
A- HA/HX killed the shielder with pure skill. But looses the round cause of flag.
B- HA/HX did not killed the shileder. And looses the round cause of flag.
C- HA/HX killed the shielder in one HS, then killed 7 guys in 49 seconds. But still lost cause the lost shielder got the flag. But we had drama.
D- HA/HX moved away from the shielder, and decided to focus an armored horse chasing him. Cause i'll get valor  bitch. And lost the round.


All this situations are always different. You can't say they always delay, you can't always accept the "it's his class" logic. This is all based on common sense, wich is.. in the rules (and yes, i believe using macros for feinting should also fall in the common sense rule, afaik all thoses :"It's not in the rules, so let's use macro" worshippers...) and admins are here to enforce the rules.


I lol'ed at the RANDOM people, blaming Thomek for all the actions popping in their mind, and this particular one that doesn't concern themselves, and was dealt with pretty well between the two protagonists, when the actual outcome is : max one day ban from Crpg server, a beautiful video of Qoray's hand moving harmoniously on a Razer, Qoray's beautifull lines of exquisite english
u trole
some conspiracy from NA, trying to remove all EU admins to rule the world, and a butthurted jtobiasm, jumping in the "let's blame Thomek for all the evils in the world"-wagon.



So let's just end this, wich is getting nowhere.

Thomek apologised (wich as many believe like kindergartens, is not an easy thing to do for adults, since you need maturity).
Qoray showed us that he knows how to swear in english, how to feint in a real duel in Crpg, and that he can beat Thomek (at least once) without using macros.
Anders showed that he doesn't know what's happening in EU, but damn, Thomek should get his admin rights revoked, because FREEDOM.
jtobiasm showed that he is here, and also want to be noticed, since he can also badmouth Thomek, so please give him +1, loltybbq. (and that an HA shooting at a shield is trying to win the round, even though flags are up).
Murdertron is asking for his adminship back, or at least that all admins are revoked. That way he won't feel lonely as the main badmin.
Christo is always there when there's drama. That's why he's the King, and the Dramaturge.
Saxon was a pro player at CS when he was 16. He was also a pro player at CS when he was 16. Did i mention, wich is very relevant in all this thread, that he was a pro player at CS ? Oh, and he also cheated using macros to buy his gear in two seconds, while other pros were using their fast finger movements.
Bulzur despised cheaters and people just taking advantage of every little bad action, to add all the minor effects they experienced, and really ruined their entire life.
Kalp is mad.
Hardrice is a pro user of paint.

Nice summary we got here, i believe.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 29, 2014, 08:50:24 pm
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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: the real god emperor on March 29, 2014, 09:02:13 pm
this thread slowly turns into a classic crpg drama
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: MURDERTRON on March 29, 2014, 09:13:38 pm
I don't think you got the right one for me...
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Bulzur on March 29, 2014, 10:27:57 pm
I don't think you got the right one for me...

I don't know you enough for that maybe, i'm sorry.  :(
Let's change that, i'll offer you a drink, and we can talk and get drunk. Let's say 6 pm, at the Académie de la bière, 88Bis Boulevard de Port-Royal, 75005 Paris, tomorrow sunday ? My treat.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: jtobiasm on March 30, 2014, 01:11:00 am
@Bulzur
(click to show/hide)

tl:dr


Wow really? This is the best you can respond with? GJ i'm now going to hide because someone thinks he's hard on the internet.... :rolleyes:

umirin, ye u mirin
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on March 30, 2014, 03:40:52 am
Murdertron is asking for his adminship back, or at least that all admins are revoked. That way he won't feel lonely as the main badmin.

MURDATRON U NEVA SAID U WAS A MODEL ADMIN ?!?  :o
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Sparvico on March 30, 2014, 06:16:28 am
MURDATRON U NEVA SAID U WAS A MODEL ADMIN ?!?  :o

The day that happens is the day I fly to Chicago and slap the shit out of Canary. The only worse person for admin is myself frankly.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: //saxon on March 30, 2014, 02:41:17 pm
GJ i'm now going to hide because someone thinks he's hard on the internet...

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Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Prinz_Karl on March 30, 2014, 07:21:50 pm
Back to topic. I demand Thomek to put down his admin rights already. We know it's always the same with him: If it's a ban request on forum he goes the wise guy "calm down guys and be sportsmanlike", but as soon as he's ingame and it's concerning him he's not hestitating to ban for any minor offence or unjustified suspicion.

You're certainly a cool guy but you're really not made to be an admin, and I beg you to finally see this on your own, on behalf of many in this community.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Butan on March 30, 2014, 08:01:30 pm
Back to topic. I demand Thomek to put down his admin rights already. We know it's always the same with him: If it's a ban request on forum he goes the wise guy "calm down guys and be sportsmanlike", but as soon as he's ingame and it's concerning him he's not hestitating to ban for any minor offence or unjustified suspicion.

You're certainly a cool guy but you're really not made to be an admin, and I beg you to finally see this on your own, on behalf of many in this community.

Your suspicions of Thomek being not what he appears to be to most of the community (a cool and collected guy) are not proofs that he committed any crime, please join the line of people who use their common sense to find and punish offenders.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Prinz_Karl on March 30, 2014, 09:35:36 pm
Your suspicions of Thomek being not what he appears to be to most of the community (a cool and collected guy) are not proofs that he committed any crime, please join the line of people who use their common sense to find and punish offenders.

Your reply makes no sense at all. Maybe you reread my post.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Bulzur on March 30, 2014, 11:06:58 pm
Back to topic. I demand Thomek to put down his admin rights already. We know it's always the same with him: If it's a ban request on forum he goes the wise guy "calm down guys and be sportsmanlike", but as soon as he's ingame and it's concerning him he's not hestitating to ban for any minor offence or unjustified suspicion.

You're certainly a cool guy but you're really not made to be an admin, and I beg you to finally see this on your own, on behalf of many in this community.


For any kind of multipersonnality problems, or schyzophrenia, you may want to consult a doctor.

Feel free to talk about it, it may help. Or talk about it between yourselves.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on March 31, 2014, 12:08:08 am
I could never be mad at Thomek, my early day memories of him banning hapless horsearchers at the end of rounds, are just too sweet.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Tore on March 31, 2014, 02:08:38 am
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/feinting-and-macro-tutorial/
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 31, 2014, 04:34:57 pm
Your suspicions of Thomek being not what he appears to be to most of the community (a cool and collected guy) are not proofs that he committed any crime, please join the line of people who use their common sense to find and punish offenders.

I find Thomek's opinions in IRC and on the forums to be genuinely smart, intelligent and logical.  However the few times I've played on EU and he was admining, he always seemed to overstep his bounds of what an admin should do.  And every time I thanked myself that we don't have the same type of admins on NA servers who ban for minor infractions (and without warnings), change maps in the middle of a map (changing maps at all should be a huge no-no, unless there is a physical problem with the map, i.e. people falling through the ground), and ban people for suspicion of cheating without any proof (even admitting he wasn't sure if the guy was cheating). 

Thomek seems like a really decent human being, from what I can tell, but he also seems like a really bad game admin.  And I thank myself every time I join NA1 that I don't have to deal with EU admins. 
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on March 31, 2014, 05:36:48 pm
Likely late nite EU1? :)

Change to Arena? Come on..  If a huge ass, complicated or foggy map not suitable for 15-20 players show up, then yes. Or if it's just a trollish mood, then yes, I change the map.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Gnjus on March 31, 2014, 06:08:37 pm
Thomek, I hearby request, on behalf of the CRPG community that you step down as admin.


And I hereby request, on behalf of the cRPG community, that you go murder yourself or just die in a fire. Thomek = admin of the century. So many cheating/abusing/delaying maggots have swarmed up in this mod only because there weren't more Thomek's around to deal with that shitty pile of scum and one Qoray doesn't make a difference anymore, I piss on his lightweight fingers and his piano.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Rico on April 19, 2014, 03:28:29 am
Hey Thomek! Sankyu for listening to my request and banning me until the end of my university exams :mrgreen:
Getting distracted is much harder now :wink:


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You're the best admin 2014!
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Thomek on April 19, 2014, 03:54:14 am
No problem sir :)

Just don't bug me or anyone else for an unban before that time.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Shemaforash on July 19, 2014, 06:09:22 am
ok.. ok..

I had a night of sleep, a coffee, some cookies to go with that coffee.  :wink:

First I would like to apologize to Qoray, for picking him more or less at random. I had zero relation to him before the ban, as some people think here, and my impression of him when we talked was of a really cool guy and good sport. He took it very well. (And his anger in the first video is completely understandable, he made it few minutes after the ban.)

The background of this whole drama, were the recent murmurs in the community about people using macros. It felt stupid just ignoring it, and when people ask me openly when we are supposed to do something, the guilt of keeping the silence just boiled over in me. I banned him to see what would happen.

Before we get a system in place to deal with macro-users. All I can ask is for people to stay away from it, please realize we are a small community. This is not a huge game with thousands of players.

Just read this thread, Qoray actually got banned for "macroing"? ROFL, there's no competent or relevant player in warband who uses macro.
Title: Re: Thomek
Post by: Panos_ on July 19, 2014, 07:58:09 am
^ oh man, native players are dumber than I though  :?