If of course he is using them.
Do I need to post logs? Prove to us with video of your hand, like you told, that you are not using macros.
Then you will be unbanned asap.
@Nordwolf. Macros are cheating in the way he might be using them. If of course he is using them.
mad cuz bad(min) 8-)
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If you're going to start banning people on assumptions, maybe we can start banning, you know, actual cheaters (which you can easily detect). Like the people modifying their game files so arrows are bright pink, or pikes are neon orange. Or removing hay stacks, and bushes (or leaves on trees) from the game? Or removing fog from their client?
There's lots of things that you can crack down on and find actual cheaters, but people are going to start getting banned based on assumptions and accusations? Talk about terrible administrating.
Why you so curious?
So do you have any actual proof for this, Thomek?he doesn't
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.
the only thing that is spottable with the naked eye right here is you banning people based on what you THINK they didexactly lol
he doesn't
video is in 20 min up, it's uploading right now
Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.
I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.
Drama! Lovely!Someone call Christo, fast!
Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.
I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.
The problem is your decision to ban him is just too subjective. He might be using macros for all I know, but that's not something you can determine from the logs or his kdr. If I may infer from your posts, it is something you have to detect by watching him play. That itself is very subjective, and subject to variables such as lag spikes and fps drops; however, I do think that after watching him for a few rounds, it would become apparent whether or not he is using some form of software assistance. Even then, I imagine there are those in the community (some who may glitch/macro or w/e, and many who do not but still do not trust the admins) who would not find the decision to ban a player based only on this to be scrupulous. I think either another admin should be able to verify such a cheat/hack is being used, or accompany the ban with a video showing clearly the offense being done.
Thank you for feedback sir! I will keep that one close to my heart.
there's still NA and unofficial serversok that's true didn't thought about that, but still there's no differnce he didn't have any proof and i still show with the video that i don't use macros and how easy those feints are to make, u should also know that wayyyyne as i know u're a good 2hander
wow such proof, much good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be
Nice try. Too bad that's not what you're doing while playing cRPG. That's bunch of random bullshit even random scum like me can pull off. And it's too damn slow, even on native. In cRPG you do the same pattern every damn time and do it for fraction of time compared to what you've shown on the video.Sure i can go faster with my finger clicking on the right, i play this game for fking 3 years mostly native and i trained those feints every single combination of them, it's true Razer Naga has a macro function, nearly every mouse with costs mor than 20 euros got that, but where the point in uncontroled way of feinting tell me ? I don't use macros i never did and i never will.
Sorry bro but you're the only guy who's constantly feinting very very fast, always the same pattern and doing that 4 hours straight while playing cRPG.
Nice Razer Naga there, very useful for... RECORDING MACROS :lol:
I tried to copy what you did and fuck no could I do that longer than a couple of minutes:
A) It made me dizzy spinning and shit and I was like WHATS GOING ON!
B) Made my hand ache
I tried to copy what you did and fuck no could I do that longer than a couple of minutes:
A) It made me dizzy spinning and shit and I was like WHATS GOING ON!
B) Made my hand ache
I tried to copy what you did and fuck no could I do that longer than a couple of minutes:I tried to copy that and it wasn't hard at all, though with my playstyle it doesn't add much. In some situations I use such thing as a single feint every day.
A) It made me dizzy spinning and shit and I was like WHATS GOING ON!
B) Made my hand ache
I was with Thomek in TS and we made a new vid.
I was with Thomek in TS and we made a new vid.
Thomek lives in Russia, so I guess it shows. :lol:Why so racist tho!
Why so racist tho!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG5kZqlSss&feature=youtu.be
Common Knowledge Russia be corrupt. :wink:Yeah okay but Thomek is neither Russian or lives in Russia. :)
Russians aren't a Race, either*. Slav is though.
Doesn't matter. He hasn't broken a single rule.
Macro's are not against the rules at all. Thomek lives in Russia, so I guess it shows. :lol:
because sjarken made that thread about macro users because he was probably mad because someone can feint like that you NOW start banning because of macros? why not before and without a single proof..wow
Yup, mad cuz bad. Thomek has OBV not seen some of the Native tournaments that are recorded. Those guys look like macroing, but it's just super spammy mouse.
Macros are cheating, thus against the rules. I live in Poland, compared to Russia it's like paradise here. I'm really happy here even, thinking about staying for longer! And I'm Norwegian..
Common Knowledge Russia be corrupt. :wink:Russians should be a race since every other slav hates them.
Russians aren't a Race, either*. Slav is though.
Yup, mad cuz bad. Thomek has OBV not seen some of the Native tournaments that are recorded. Those guys look like macroing, but it's just super spammy mouse.
video is here -----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VU63xCMOl4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG5kZqlSss&feature=youtu.belolopl saw myself standing next to you, i am famous
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Problem is, this all issue is just drama.
As much as i'd love to se all macro users and people messing up with the graphics with super pink bright colors, you just can't prove it.
"Hey, he shot me while i was in a bush, no way he could have seen me, he cheated and deleted all the bush meshes ! Ban he !"
"I was running behind him, quite silently, and he suddenly turned and slashed me ! He has eyes on his back (or a second monitor with perma "back look") Cheating ! Ban he !"
"The folk is obviously using macro feinting, look at all thoses feints, four hours straight. After 2h of duel, my hands get sour, who is this bot ? BAN !"
So tell me what iam able to do else to proofe that i don't use them hm ?
So, sorry Thomek, this is just, unfortunately, you in the wrong. I certainly do hope M:BG will not allow such pesky users to gain any kind of advantage, or be able to detect and ban them. But in Crpg, it's just impossible.
And ultimately, i'm amazed how Qoray think that posting one video of one duel, lasting one minute, with some feints, proves that he's not using macros in general.
Thomek can't prove that you're guilty, but you also can't prove that you're innocent. Sorry dude. Not that it would change anything.
There's still around 3 users that i despise since i believe they're using macros, with feints faster than the "bit harder than casual" one's that Qoray showed in his video, but who cares. I'm using a bow, and boy do i love shooting all those great presumably-cheating Gods. Of course, you'll see them complaining of range on forums afterwards, but that's another story.
Finally, i don't understand why this dozens of people want Thomek banned. Do you really believe life in Crpg will be better without him as an Eu admin ? If yes, then you're a prick who hates ninja, a cheater, or a delayer. Your call. We already have so few admins active, and you'll want to remove one.
Incoming IRC complaints : "Send someone on EU-1 please, we need someone banned."
So tell me what iam able to do else to proofe that i don't use them hm ?It's the same situation as with GTX. You're stuck with it. In some point in the future people will eventually stop caring :)
"Hey, he shot me while i was in a bush, no way he could have seen me, he cheated and deleted all the bush meshes ! Ban he !"
Hopefully Thomek will not be punished for making this call. Both videos Qoray posted aren't proving anything because I and many others know very well how Qoray fights and stuff seen in the videos is not it. But we can't prove it, just like Thomek can't prove Qoray is using macros.
But on the other hand, neither Qoray can prove that he isn't using macros and this will probably remain status quo as long crpg is running.
Don't care about native and their crew. From what I saw in cRPG, native players have terrible understanding of the game in general. They might have good and trained twitch reflex, but it's so easy to fool them with simple mind tricks. In my eyes native players are bellow to best cRPG players when it comes to real combat experience.
Sometimes I used macros in Runescape to smelt steel bars. Does this make me evil?put this man in jail ASAP!
Sometimes I used macros in Runescape to smelt steel bars. Does this make me evil?
Problem is, this all issue is just drama.
There's no gray area because macroing isn't one of the 4 rules. This is a simple case if an admin finding any reason to ban someone he doesn't like.
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.
Do I need to post logs? Prove to us with video of your hand, like you told, that you are not using macros.
Then you will be unbanned asap.
@Nordwolf. Macros are cheating in the way he might be using them. If of course he is using them.
Macro users are actual cheaters. Using a 3rd party software to do inhuman things. It's bannable as hell. And I want to start banning for it.
Listen, I don't want to ban all macro users. A ban wave at this point would be extremely destructive. I think we all can agree on that.
I do this to deal with the murmuring that has been going around the community for quite some time. Macros may be good for you, but it really destroys and undermines the game. People needs to understand this, and we need to keep watch together to keep the game as clean as we can. Just stop using the bullshit.
ok.. ok..
I had a night of sleep, a coffee, some cookies to go with that coffee. :wink:
First I would like to apologize to Qoray, for picking him more or less at random. I had zero relation to him before the ban, as some people think here, and my impression of him when we talked was of a really cool guy and good sport. He took it very well. (And his anger in the first video is completely understandable, he made it few minutes after the ban.)
The background of this whole drama, were the recent murmurs in the community about people using macros. It felt stupid just ignoring it, and when people ask me openly when we are supposed to do something, the guilt of keeping the silence just boiled over in me. I banned him to see what would happen.
Before we get a system in place to deal with macro-users. All I can ask is for people to stay away from it, please realize we are a small community. This is not a huge game with thousands of players.
3. I never banned anyone for playing their class. I've kicked, rarely even banned them for useless delaying map after mapAtas is what you call delaying, literally at the maps corner on a horse with 0 deaths just waiting for the round to end and running away from enemies to survive the round...(every time his team loses)
3. I never banned anyone for playing their class. I've kicked, rarely even banned them for useless delaying map after map. But sure, perhaps thats how you want c-rpg to be. Just letting all the most annoying forces free to roam. Unleash the trolls.pfff like kick/ban lancer just because he killed you at beginning of round with couched lance :rolleyes:
This really needs to be moved to Chamber of Tears now...Did you even READ his quotes.
So much QQ :D
Kalp I cannot recall ever having done that. I have banned some teammates bumping me or others at the start of round, yes. Same, experienced player teammate on heavy horse, bumping you at full speed 2 rounds in a row 10 secs out of spawn. What am I supposed to think?
And Saxon, did I ban? It's late at night and some HA is shooting at a shield far away while flags are going up. Is he trying to win?
And what is more egoistic you think, letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?
you can multiply those 2mins wasted by everyones time, and it quickly becomes hours of others people time wasted. Thats egoistic.
I just do what I can to try to keep gameplay smooth and flowing.
God Anders. Fighting the war for delayers and trolls everywhere. So admins can't do shit about it. GG.
Kalp I cannot recall ever having done that.I remember that situation. Not the name of that player but still [maybe someone from GK, but it doesn't matter]. 2-3 years ago with old lance angle. And he did this like 3 round in row. Before last round you wrote on chat something like: "All right, do this again and I will kick/ban you." Of course he did it, maybe to troll you and after that his "connection to server" lost :lol:
And what is more egoistic you think, letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?
So thats NA, why do you care about EU? Are you trying to export freedom?
So thats NA, why do you care about EU? Are you trying to export freedom?
No Admining without representation!
The videos do not prove anything, other than that the player has "advanced" gear with macroabilities.
I fullhearthedly approve of random NKVD-style reprimandes on whim or suspicion.
It is a very costefficient way of keeping antisocial activities to a minimum.
A kick or ban from eu-servers for 2 min ..15 min ..1 hour .. 24 hours.. is not a deathpenalty. No need for 100% certainty, 25% certainty will do just fine.
Bring out your inner utilitarian ... or totalitarian
Thomek best admin! :D
No Admining without representation!
Actually your opinion doesn't count if a matter affects EU only.Have so many things I want to say, but I'm not since that's so off-topic. I'll just let my quotes of badmin thomek speak for themselves.
I have banned some teammates bumping me or others at the start of round, yes.Did you warn them before banning?, i agree its very annoying and it always happens to me but,
letting people "play their class" wasting the time of everyone on the server, or just letting them know that there is a limit to how many rounds you can be last xbower/HX/HA or hiding hero taking your time and ignoring flags?that's why we have flags, to stop delaying, it takes around 30 seconds to raise the flags, if they glitch then yes WARN them that the flags are glitched and to make a last stand.
you can multiply those 2mins wasted by everyones time, and it quickly becomes hours of others people time wasted.so what im getting at is no one who accepts these conditions can say someone who is "delaying" is wasting their time, they are wasting there own time by accepting to the server conditions
The videos do not prove anything, other than that the player has "advanced" gear with macroabilities.
I fullhearthedly approve of random NKVD-style reprimandes on whim or suspicion.
It is a very costefficient way of keeping antisocial activities to a minimum.
A kick or ban from eu-servers for 2 min ..15 min ..1 hour .. 24 hours.. is not a deathpenalty. No need for 100% certainty, 25% certainty will do just fine.
Bring out your inner utilitarian ... or totalitarian
Thomek best admin! :D
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I've had my grievances with Thomek (look at some of my post history), yet after speaking to him a few times in TS and irc, he's actually a pretty chill, relaxed guy that honestly wants the best for the community, (eve if he did make a rash decision) but at least we know there is finally an admin beginning to think (and act, even if wrongly) on these 'cheats.'
Watch you play? Sounds kinda dirty
It's late at night and some HA is shooting at a shield far away while flags are going up. Is he trying to win?
yet after speaking to him a few times in TS and irc, he's actually a pretty chill, relaxed guy (eve if he did make a rash decision)
so at least learn about things before you go ahead and spout shit.
No, he can't possible be trying to win by shooting someone as a HA.
u trolesome conspiracy from NA, trying to remove all EU admins to rule the world, and a butthurted jtobiasm, jumping in the "let's blame Thomek for all the evils in the world"-wagon.
I don't think you got the right one for me...
Wow really? This is the best you can respond with? GJ i'm now going to hide because someone thinks he's hard on the internet.... :rolleyes:
Murdertron is asking for his adminship back, or at least that all admins are revoked. That way he won't feel lonely as the main badmin.
MURDATRON U NEVA SAID U WAS AMODELADMIN ?!? :o
GJ i'm now going to hide because someone thinks he's hard on the internet...
Back to topic. I demand Thomek to put down his admin rights already. We know it's always the same with him: If it's a ban request on forum he goes the wise guy "calm down guys and be sportsmanlike", but as soon as he's ingame and it's concerning him he's not hestitating to ban for any minor offence or unjustified suspicion.
You're certainly a cool guy but you're really not made to be an admin, and I beg you to finally see this on your own, on behalf of many in this community.
Your suspicions of Thomek being not what he appears to be to most of the community (a cool and collected guy) are not proofs that he committed any crime, please join the line of people who use their common sense to find and punish offenders.
Back to topic. I demand Thomek to put down his admin rights already. We know it's always the same with him: If it's a ban request on forum he goes the wise guy "calm down guys and be sportsmanlike", but as soon as he's ingame and it's concerning him he's not hestitating to ban for any minor offence or unjustified suspicion.
You're certainly a cool guy but you're really not made to be an admin, and I beg you to finally see this on your own, on behalf of many in this community.
Your suspicions of Thomek being not what he appears to be to most of the community (a cool and collected guy) are not proofs that he committed any crime, please join the line of people who use their common sense to find and punish offenders.
Thomek, I hearby request, on behalf of the CRPG community that you step down as admin.
ok.. ok..
I had a night of sleep, a coffee, some cookies to go with that coffee. :wink:
First I would like to apologize to Qoray, for picking him more or less at random. I had zero relation to him before the ban, as some people think here, and my impression of him when we talked was of a really cool guy and good sport. He took it very well. (And his anger in the first video is completely understandable, he made it few minutes after the ban.)
The background of this whole drama, were the recent murmurs in the community about people using macros. It felt stupid just ignoring it, and when people ask me openly when we are supposed to do something, the guilt of keeping the silence just boiled over in me. I banned him to see what would happen.
Before we get a system in place to deal with macro-users. All I can ask is for people to stay away from it, please realize we are a small community. This is not a huge game with thousands of players.