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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Artyem on March 24, 2014, 09:41:09 pm

Title: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Artyem on March 24, 2014, 09:41:09 pm
Inspired by the beautiful works of Knute, I've decided to try and take the project into my own hands and attempt to recreate something similar to his "Wars and Alliances (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/wars-and-alliances-na/)" guide.

I haven't gathered information on every faction yet, so this is still a work in progress.  If you are a clan leader and would like to get access to the spreadsheet I have so that you can change the information yourself, send me a private message.  If there is a change in your faction's diplomacy, PM me or leave a post here.

Political Map

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Diplomacy Map

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The positioning of the circles is entirely arbitrary, don't get mad at me if you don't like where your faction is located on the map.

I use the battle listing archive to find information on strategus factions, so if your faction is not on the map yet, it's probably because I didn't find your battle.  Once a battle of yours is in the archive it will most likely be added.

Legend:
Red Line = War
Blue Line = Alliance
Green Line = Defense Pact
Pink Line = Merc Contract

Spreadsheets for gear and trade information (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/crpg-na-strategus-6-trading-status-spreadsheet-of-doom/)

P.S. I will not do EU, go away.

Additional Credits and Thanks:

Rhalzo - compiled a shit ton of banner links for me, thanks!  Also helped draft and design the latest versions of the map.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on March 24, 2014, 09:44:41 pm
10/10
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: SittingBull on March 24, 2014, 09:51:17 pm
I don't want this to be mistaken. Astralis will be aggressive to all those we've been fighting for so long as Frisia is still in the fight. We will not allow them to stand alone
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Garem on March 24, 2014, 10:27:03 pm
I don't want this to be mistaken. Astralis will be aggressive to all those we've been fighting for so long as Frisia is still in the fight. We will not allow them to stand alone

Same for us, we consider that war against Astralis to be ongoing. Negotiations for us to end this and move on may be ongoing at this point (I really have no idea) but they haven't happened yet.

I don't think Squids consider Astralis an enemy though, just Frisia. Might want to check.

Also, no GFORCE on there... and did they merge entirely with LCO or not? The map isn't clear.

Good work Artyem! Thanks
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Wesleysnipes on March 24, 2014, 10:37:41 pm
This is Awesome! I love these maps. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HappyPhantom on March 24, 2014, 11:50:37 pm
Dracul, Data wranglers extraordinaire strat 2014.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 25, 2014, 03:38:22 am
I was literally just thinking "I wonder if Knute has the energy to make another one?" and my question was answered.

Keep up the good work!

Question; are you only counting na controlled fiefs?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Stabb on March 25, 2014, 03:48:55 am
Come on NA, we need more red lines. WotN with Squids cant be the only ones with red lines.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 03:51:48 am
Question; are you only counting na controlled fiefs?

I'm trying to keep it to NA controlled fiefs, but it's difficult to filter out some of the EU ones.  For example, I accidentally left in the FPF EU fief.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 25, 2014, 03:59:35 am
Come on NA, we need more red lines. WotN with Squids cant be the only ones with red lines.

I think gforce has more or less declared war on any na faction that has dealings with any eu faction that isn't with the UIF.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HappyPhantom on March 25, 2014, 04:54:41 am
I think gforce has more or less declared war on any na faction that has dealings with any eu faction that isn't with the UIF.

Bro, it's a lifestyle.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Krosis on March 25, 2014, 06:21:22 am
Come on NA, we need more red lines. WotN with Squids cant be the only ones with red lines.

This...

wtf is this carebear shit?

And people wonder why strategus and the game are dying..
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Wesleysnipes on March 25, 2014, 06:21:58 am
I know it's a work in progress, but is it possible to have the real strat map behind it? And will the map image be shrunken? K thanks don't want to get on your nervs! :)
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 06:37:00 am
I know it's a work in progress, but is it possible to have the real strat map behind it? And will the map image be shrunken? K thanks don't want to get on your nervs! :)

I could put the actual strat map behind it, but I think it would be more counter productive than useful.

Also, I guess I could shrink the image down but it's much easier to just right click it and view it in a new tab, lets you zoom in and out as you please.

EDIT:

Actually, if somebody could find me / make me a map similar to this one (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9845/mapinenglishcopy.jpg) but with just the NA fief names, I would really appreciate it.  I imagine I could do something with that, even if it were just a black outline of the continent on a white background.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: cfuvue on March 25, 2014, 06:44:49 am
Shouldn't it look like this?

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~If it is a 3 way war, it should remain the same. If it is two factions who are not allied fighting the same faction, it should look like this.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Wesleysnipes on March 25, 2014, 06:47:13 am
Yea exactly :)
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 06:50:35 am
Shouldn't it look like this?
~Unless it is actually a 3 way war in which they all actively fight one another, then it should remain the same.

you're correct, but I like the phallic shape as it accurately represents the war.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 08:02:48 pm
Updated, hopefully I didn't miss anything major.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Stabb on March 25, 2014, 08:27:28 pm
Maybe for the ultimate guide, you can put borders around factions, Green meaning Free Trade. Red meaning Closed Borders.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 08:28:53 pm
Maybe for the ultimate guide, you can put borders around factions, Green meaning Free Trade. Red meaning Closed Borders.

That would be pretty easy to do, only problem being that most factions aren't entirely open or entirely closed.  I would have to make a complete map, but that isn't entirely out of the question.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Stabb on March 25, 2014, 08:49:01 pm
That would be pretty easy to do, only problem being that most factions aren't entirely open or entirely closed.  I would have to make a complete map, but that isn't entirely out of the question.

Hit me up on steam if you want any help doing it. I have no lif- I mean I would be happy to help  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 25, 2014, 09:22:23 pm
Missing remnerds from list (it appears)
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Tojo on March 25, 2014, 09:26:00 pm
excuse me gentlemen, but could someone explain the numbers that are on the clans? For Example Holy Guard has 1-9 on it what does that mean?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 09:27:55 pm
Missing remnerds from list (it appears)

Remnerds seem to be assembled under the USPS.

excuse me gentlemen, but could someone explain the numbers that are on the clans? For Example Holy Guard has 1-9 on it what does that mean?

Fief - Players, so you have 1 fief and 9 members.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Noodlenrice on March 25, 2014, 10:12:07 pm
May I ask where you get these lists?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 25, 2014, 10:14:49 pm
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive

You can access their strat pages through their battles, which tells you how many fiefs and members they have.  I compiled those numbers on a spreadsheet which I update every few days, since it takes for fucking ever to go through all of them.  I listed all of the links to the faction pages though, so it's much easier to check now.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Mae. on March 26, 2014, 06:32:55 pm
Remnerds are available for merc contracts only, no participation from our main leaders is mostly the cause, BUT Remnerds (some of the babies) & friends that wanted to still play strat have made a faction for the occasion so it wont confuse anyone.

PS Nice work Artyem. I'm the slacker that looove love loves using and seeing these threads but hardly ever contributes, so I give what I can.. THANKS
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: MURDERTRON on March 26, 2014, 08:09:04 pm
Pls change fiefs to monopoly house and hotel pieces.  Also I want to be the car... Or the dog.

Fuck you thimble.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: dynamike on March 26, 2014, 11:10:59 pm
Missing remnerds from list (it appears)

http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/u-s-postal-service-(na-strat-faction)/

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Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Taser on March 27, 2014, 02:22:15 am
No Tasa Clan? Wut is dis?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 27, 2014, 02:23:33 am
I probably didn't find a battle listing from your faction.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Taser on March 27, 2014, 02:56:40 am
I probably didn't find a battle listing from your faction.

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Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: ildist on March 27, 2014, 04:34:55 pm
the mates are no longer a faction, i got bored and quit rip
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 27, 2014, 07:02:21 pm
Updated, hopefully nothing major is missing.  Also, a new poll to see what I should start on next.  I'm interested in what you guys would like to see done with this information.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Stabb on March 27, 2014, 08:09:02 pm
Don't sloths own 3 fiefs?
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Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 27, 2014, 08:45:39 pm
Don't sloths own 3 fiefs?
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Must be a typo, because the spreadsheet says 3 too.

good catch!
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Taser on March 28, 2014, 07:37:21 pm
I approve the new updated pic.

Tasa Clan seal of approval.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on March 28, 2014, 09:04:54 pm
you need funny icons like Knute
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HardRice on March 28, 2014, 09:37:21 pm
Wardens of the Nerd are cool with Astralis now.

Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 28, 2014, 10:41:39 pm
you need funny icons like Knute

I would like to use clan banners on some of these, but I need better access to them first.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: PsychoTwins on March 29, 2014, 05:12:51 am
The Merrymen have merged into The Marauders also  :D
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Jona on March 29, 2014, 07:04:18 am
I approve the new updated pic.

Tasa Clan seal of approval.

Fuckin learn how to spell your own name you fool! It is the "Tasah Clan."
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HappyPhantom on March 29, 2014, 07:50:50 am
The Merrymen have merged into The Marauders also  :D

NoooOOoooOooooooooooooooooo.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 29, 2014, 07:37:18 pm
Updated with WIP icons.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Noodlenrice on March 29, 2014, 07:39:15 pm
Updated with WIP icons.
Give us Rondel Sheridan
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Testicleez on March 29, 2014, 08:46:45 pm
I LOVE our icon! Keyboard Warriors top & bottom rocker, SICK CUT!
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Soldier_of_God on March 30, 2014, 05:51:42 pm
Very useful of you, thanks!
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on March 31, 2014, 01:06:16 am
Small update, still need to work on the USPS / GFORCE merge.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HappyPhantom on March 31, 2014, 01:35:46 am
Damn strat is confusing.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Thumper on March 31, 2014, 02:30:05 am
You should make the back round of Maruaders

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Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 01, 2014, 08:06:13 pm
Another small update, haven't had much time to change anything beyond the numbers.  Next update will be a bit bigger.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Noodlenrice on April 02, 2014, 11:14:01 pm
We sure do love Rondell Sheridan
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 06, 2014, 05:28:31 am
I lied, it wasn't a big update.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Noodlenrice on April 06, 2014, 06:42:48 am
I lied, it wasn't a big update.
You didn't even addin our icon
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 08, 2014, 06:12:16 am
Updated, changed more icons.

Big thanks to Rhalzo for compiling all of these banners, definitely made things easier on me.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: MURDERTRON on April 08, 2014, 07:21:52 am
You are not properly representing the AI clan.  Also, everyone is at war with the AI clan.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Balikar on April 08, 2014, 10:23:58 pm
GeForce merged with yet another clan?  What's the point?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Mae. on April 08, 2014, 11:00:10 pm
because it was a much smaller clan and we were already friendly neighbors  8-)
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 08, 2014, 11:59:49 pm
GeForce merged with yet another clan?  What's the point?

To be honest, it's not that big of a deal considering there are still four other factions larger than them and two of the same approximate size.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HardRice on April 09, 2014, 01:30:44 am
FPF owns EU Fisdnar and NA Fisdnar.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 09, 2014, 02:02:00 am
FPF owns EU Fisdnar and NA Fisdnar.

This only concerns NA though, hence the Exclusion.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HardRice on April 09, 2014, 02:28:56 am
This only concerns NA though, hence the Exclusion.
Assumed fiefs didn't matter but factions did.

Apologies.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 09, 2014, 08:08:44 pm
If anybody wants their icon changed, just send me a message or something.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: MURDERTRON on April 09, 2014, 08:50:05 pm
Id like our icon changed to the retard from the show Crank Yankers, or Rudy.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: ildist on April 12, 2014, 10:59:51 pm
the mates are no longer a faction, i got bored and quit rip

what part of that isnt clear plz tell me
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 12, 2014, 11:11:36 pm
There are still 10+ people in the faction, so it stays on the map.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Balikar on April 13, 2014, 01:29:09 am
I think an alliance line is missing between Geforce and the Squids
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: ildist on April 13, 2014, 02:43:10 am
There are still 10+ people in the faction, so it stays on the map.

ok you can include all the afks stuck in the river below curaw as a faction too
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Balikar on April 13, 2014, 04:01:00 am
Heh
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Holiday203 on April 14, 2014, 01:19:53 am
I think an alliance line is missing between Geforce and the Squids

Who are you and what does your dad do?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Balikar on April 14, 2014, 01:48:09 am
Who are you and what does your dad do?

Neither of which is pertinent to the discussion at hand.  So why not come out and publically state the obvious?  You guys are allied.  They've helped you immensely in the fief department.  I'm not just talking about Ayikke. 
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Mae. on April 14, 2014, 02:03:50 am
when you ask for something, and pay for it.. it makes you allies, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Balikar on April 14, 2014, 02:58:25 am
Again, it's not just Ayikke.  Nice try tho Mae
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Wesleysnipes on April 14, 2014, 03:42:07 am
Again, it's not just Ayikke.  Nice try tho Mae

You're right! It's called buying and selling fiefs. This does not make an alliance though.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Holiday203 on April 14, 2014, 06:46:47 am
Neither of which is pertinent to the discussion at hand.  So why not come out and publically state the obvious?  You guys are allied.  They've helped you immensely in the fief department.  I'm not just talking about Ayikke.

Really? How are they helping us in the "fief department"?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: HappyPhantom on April 14, 2014, 06:57:37 am
You guys are protesting too much, clearly he speaks the truth: ALLIANCE!!!  :wink:
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Keshian on April 14, 2014, 07:06:43 am
You guys are protesting too much, clearly he speaks the truth: ALLIANCE!!!  :wink:

Alliance is just another dirty word - please stop offending the children's eyes!
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 14, 2014, 07:07:22 am
Alliance is Strat 5's "vassal"
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Rhalzo on April 14, 2014, 07:19:07 am
Arty, I have a couple ideas I'm going to sketch up and run by you soon.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Artyem on April 14, 2014, 10:15:50 am
Next update will be BIG.

Rhalzo is a genius and I'm a fucking nerd, that is what I've learned from working on this.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Balikar on April 14, 2014, 02:09:53 pm
Obviously another example is needed.  They attacked Mijayet a day or two before you guys took it.... ie softening it up.  Unprovoked I might add.  And that's with just a little digging. 
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Mae. on April 14, 2014, 07:10:31 pm
you missed the discussion where once they took it we offered to pay for it and they denied because it was of use to them, later wol joined and we figured we could trade the fiefs for the fact that theyre in each other's area..
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Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (W.I.P)
Post by: Holiday203 on April 14, 2014, 09:24:02 pm
Obviously another example is needed.  They attacked Mijayet a day or two before you guys took it.... ie softening it up.  Unprovoked I might add.  And that's with just a little digging.

Lol obviously you need another example. If anything Mijayet came out stronger from the gear it gained from that last minute sign up against Geforce. You know that battle only lasted five minutes right bud?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Artyem on April 14, 2014, 09:40:32 pm
W.I.P political map is now uploaded, enjoy looking at your horribly incomplete borders!  This is 1/2 of the final project.

disclaimer:

by no means should you use my map as an actual reference for your faction's borders, if somehow the fief layout on the map gets you in trouble, it is not my fault.


Big thanks to Rhalzo again, couldn't have had this done so quickly without him.  You're doing a great job!
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Balikar on April 14, 2014, 10:52:19 pm
>>you missed the discussion where once they took it we offered to pay for it and they denied because it was of use to them, later wol joined and we figured we could trade the fiefs for the fact that theyre in each other's area.. <<

Ayikke is hardly in AoW's area.  And considering the time frame between them taking Mijayet, and Wol joining Gforce, you can't really claim that was the plan. 

>>If anything Mijayet came out stronger from the gear it gained from that last minute sign up against Geforce. You know that battle only lasted five minutes right bud?<<

So what you're saying is that Gforce intended to strengthen the fief, not weaken it, by losing to Astralis? 
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Holiday203 on April 14, 2014, 11:12:56 pm
Ugh, sure. That is exactly what I'm saying. Those tricky Geforce players losing to strengthen fiefs!
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Balikar on April 15, 2014, 12:41:26 am
>>Ugh, sure. That is exactly what I'm saying. Those tricky Geforce players losing to strengthen fiefs!<<

I see the sarcasm must have been lost on you. 

Again, softening them up.  ;-) 
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 15, 2014, 03:18:27 am
>>Ugh, sure. That is exactly what I'm saying. Those tricky Geforce players losing to strengthen fiefs!<<

I see the sarcasm must have been lost on you. 

Again, softening them up.  ;-)

Well, Thanks to: AoW, WoN Astralis has quit strat, more or less. One less faction you guys have to worry about. You put everyone back into mortal so no one really plays strat save but a few. Hell, i don't even bother trying to get strat ticks much anymore.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Taser on April 15, 2014, 03:23:48 am
Well, Thanks to: AoW, WoN Astralis has quit strat, more or less. One less faction you guys have to worry about. You put everyone back into mortal so no one really plays strat save but a few. Hell, i don't even bother trying to get strat ticks much anymore.

Astralis playing MO now?



Also nice job Arty/Rhalzo.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 15, 2014, 03:35:20 am
Astralis playing MO now?



Also nice job Arty/Rhalzo.

Not super really. If you have...STB I believe, you can get the Political map in 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Taser on April 15, 2014, 03:37:34 am
Not super really. If you have...STB I believe, you can get the Political map in 2 seconds.

Such a downer anders..

Y u do dis?


But is astralis playing MO now?
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 15, 2014, 03:39:45 am
Such a downer anders..

Y u do dis?


But is astralis playing MO now?

For MO, mostly Yes. I don't play it, but a bunch of the guys do it seems. And other things. Thanks to Strat, most everyone gave up crpg/strat to play something else more fun.
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Post by: HappyPhantom on April 15, 2014, 04:00:26 am
Well, Thanks to: AoW, WoN Astralis has quit strat, more or less. One less faction you guys have to worry about. You put everyone back into mortal so no one really plays strat save but a few. Hell, i don't even bother trying to get strat ticks much anymore.

That's a bit simplisticly one sided. Astralis quit strat because Astralis quit strat. They quit strat because they lost a war. Surely they had the choice to regroup and carry on, or quit and not be arsed. That bit was their choice and not much to do with AoW/WoN.

Not super really. If you have...STB I believe, you can get the Political map in 2 seconds.

Jesus, you're as bad as Murdertron. STB is pretty broken - and this is more accessible anyway. Good job Arty and Rhalzo!
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Post by: Lt_Anders on April 15, 2014, 04:13:28 am
That's a bit simplisticly one sided. Astralis quit strat because Astralis quit strat. They quit strat because they lost a war. Surely they had the choice to regroup and carry on, or quit and not be arsed. That bit was their choice and not much to do with AoW/WoN.

No. We had a fief and a regroup area, but AoW attacked that and took it and then sold it to w/e the desert alliance is now. You'd be surprised how many "no we can't attack them cause AoW" or "To big" or...

Losing all your fiefs usually makes clans not want to play strat. especially when the leader doesn't want anything to do with this "meta Alliance BS" that is/has gone on.

It's also easy to blame it on the players for not caring, but when you have a fief(I do believe you or your faction does, please correct this) it's easy to look down on someone. Astralis still plays, but without a fief to defend most players don't care. By removing astralis from the map, you removed roughly 15 players from strat that moderately cared. No one in the faction wants to spend the effort to actually organize anything because that kills your life.

Now can we scrounge up the player we need in a battle that happens to be ours? Sure. We do have nearly 20 people on in TS daily, but most prefer not to play strat because there is nothing to fucking do beside trade trade trade, since we can't really attack anyone.

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Jesus, you're as bad as Murdertron. STB is pretty broken - and this is more accessible anyway. Good job Arty and Rhalzo!
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And I'm not putting either of them down, but that setup and layout come almost from that. What's nice is that he Adds faction names to it, and a cool fief icon.
Title: Re: Wars and Alliances NA - STRATEGUS 5 (NEW MAP)
Post by: Artyem on April 15, 2014, 04:53:42 am
It's not even finished, still more stuff to be added, I just thought people might be interested in seeing where it's at.

mostly making the political map because cartography is cool


Also, not everybody uses STB, and I know people who don't even play strat that like these things lol
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Post by: Lt_Anders on April 15, 2014, 04:55:24 am
It's not even finished, still more stuff to be added, I just thought people might be interested in seeing where it's at.

mostly making the political map because cartography is cool

Well, if the finished product continues to look good...I might just squeal. :wink:
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Post by: Balikar on April 15, 2014, 05:02:12 am
Could always include a stripe of some sort for a closed fief, no stripe for open trade.
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Post by: Artyem on April 15, 2014, 05:03:32 am
It's not even finished, still more stuff to be added
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Post by: HappyPhantom on April 15, 2014, 06:25:57 am
No. We had a fief and a regroup area, but AoW attacked that and took it and then sold it to w/e the desert alliance is now. You'd be surprised how many "no we can't attack them cause AoW" or "To big" or...

Losing all your fiefs usually makes clans not want to play strat. especially when the leader doesn't want anything to do with this "meta Alliance BS" that is/has gone on.

It's also easy to blame it on the players for not caring, but when you have a fief (I do believe you or your faction does, please correct this) it's easy to look down on someone. Astralis still plays, but without a fief to defend most players don't care. By removing astralis from the map, you removed roughly 15 players from strat that moderately cared. No one in the faction wants to spend the effort to actually organize anything because that kills your life.

Actually this is exactly what happened to me - The Lonely Fun Squad - won a fief over two sieges cos the first time grubby Acre wanted merc money for AI; then the next day we (my two man clan) lost it to Marauders cos, fuck them and all their players and large armies. It was shit and annoying but once I got over the - WHAAAA FUCK STRAT THIS IS SHIT AND TOTALLY NOT WORTH IT - I started trade grinding again, equipped my army and joined up with my Dracul buds (and if Arty etc had continued to be in GOBBLINS I probs would have joined some other random small clan e.g. Mango or Havelle instead).

TLDR: If Astralis was made up of 20x me's - they'd still be playing strat (COS WE'RE CRAZY!).
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 15, 2014, 07:11:02 am
Actually this is exactly what happened to me - The Lonely Fun Squad - won a fief over two sieges cos the first time grubby Acre wanted merc money for AI; then the next day we (my two man clan) lost it to Marauders cos, fuck them and all their players and large armies. It was shit and annoying but once I got over the - WHAAAA FUCK STRAT THIS IS SHIT AND TOTALLY NOT WORTH IT - I started trade grinding again, equipped my army and joined up with my Dracul buds (and if Arty etc had continued to be in GOBBLINS I probs would have joined some other random small clan e.g. Mango or Havelle instead).

TLDR: If Astralis was made up of 20x me's - they'd still be playing strat (COS WE'RE CRAZY!).

Just take the high road and say that you aren't playing strat because you're nerds.

We got kicked out of our home and said we'd continue the wars against aow/wotn (god knows why they haven't wiped us since it's like 75-20 between them, maybe they have pity on our pathetic sperg souls). Why? Because we're fucking nerds. Fuck of a lot we have to show for it, but we'll keep on keeping on until there's an NA-wide pact to only have XP battles. Such a pact wouldn't involve us, but if it was us against the rest of NA, I guess we'd quit. It's not quite to that point.

Don't say that you quit because you're outnumbered. Squids ain't sent barely shit to mijayet, you or I could have taken it without contest, but we were bad nerds and didn't attack it before they could sell it to gforce/tardguards. That's our fault. Just be honest and say you quit because you're smaller nerds than you may have thought you were.

Really, it makes you look better than us. We look like fucking sperg pieces of shit, am I right?
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Post by: Sharpe on April 15, 2014, 12:43:08 pm
You're all winners in my eyes.

And good job Artyem, I like the strat faction icons, it makes it more interesting to look at.
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Post by: Horns_Archive on April 15, 2014, 06:20:05 pm
So when are we dropping all the bull shit and invading EU cuz i want some god damn fish and chips.
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Post by: Vengt037 on April 15, 2014, 06:45:06 pm
Losing all your fiefs usually makes clans not want to play strat. especially when the leader doesn't want anything to do with this "meta Alliance BS" that is/has gone on.

It's also easy to blame it on the players for not caring, but when you have a fief(I do believe you or your faction does, please correct this) it's easy to look down on someone. Astralis still plays, but without a fief to defend most players don't care. By removing astralis from the map, you removed roughly 15 players from strat that moderately cared. No one in the faction wants to spend the effort to actually organize anything because that kills your life.

Now can we scrounge up the player we need in a battle that happens to be ours? Sure. We do have nearly 20 people on in TS daily, but most prefer not to play strat because there is nothing to fucking do beside trade trade trade, since we can't really attack anyone.

I know of a place with many nubile young fiefs just waiting to be taken. 
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 15, 2014, 06:54:57 pm
People can give excuses and reasons all they want, the fact is strat is a ghost town when only 11 people are showing up for an AI castle defense during NA Prime time:

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Post by: Matey on April 15, 2014, 10:53:32 pm
People can give excuses and reasons all they want, the fact is strat is a ghost town when only 11 people are showing up for an AI castle defense during NA Prime time:



yeah there was also the 1200 vs 1800 at noon EST today which was a 15 v 7 flag cap (the 1200 capped flags). id say strat in NA is pretty done.
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Post by: Balikar on April 15, 2014, 11:05:16 pm
Big reason for it is the big faction mentality.  The small clans, and by small I refer to fief size, not numbers... get swarmed by the big clans, and it takes them forever to get the army, money, and gear to go take something.  In the meantime as they grind, the castles, and the cities fall under big factions.  So before you know it, only the big factions have anything, and they don't usually fight each other.  Case in point is the current situation.  Who's fighting who?  No one.  The bigger clans need to NOT wipe people off the map.  it doesn't do anyone any good.  It drives people away in all actuality, and poof, strat is dead. 

Some could claim that the point is 'world domination' and that's how it's intended... but winning isn't everything.  Variety is.  Entertainment is.  The more clans that hold territory, the more battles there are, and the more fun the whole thing is. 
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Post by: Aldogalus on April 15, 2014, 11:38:26 pm

The real reason noone was signed up on the defense of that castle, is because

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yeah there was also the 1200 vs 1800 at noon EST today which was a 15 v 7 flag cap (the 1200 capped flags). id say strat in NA is pretty done.

NA strat certainly doesnt SEEM as active, and many of the older, more reputable factions have died out. I wouldn't  use a noontime on a tuesday, as feasible evidence to claim that strat is dead in NA. Also should remember that the more castles that have already been capped, the less concerned people are about castles being obtained. We aren't throwing in the towel yet, and neither should anyone else who is still interested in playing. The numbers may have declined slightly, but no fiefs are accruing tens of thousands of s&d, and every village is under possession of someone at the moment, so i would say there are still plenty of active people.

Looking forward to having some good battles in the somewhat near future this strat... DONT LOSE HOPE
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Post by: Matey on April 16, 2014, 12:06:17 am
The bigger clans need to NOT wipe people off the map.  it doesn't do anyone any good.  It drives people away in all actuality, and poof, strat is dead. 



from experience in past strats as a smaller clan fighting a larger one and a larger one fighting a smaller one... one thing is pretty consistent... hardly any clans are willing to admit defeat or surrender during a war... they almost always choose total annihilation and most of their guys quit after that... that being said though, losing a war often leads to many people quitting regardless or how total the defeat is. there are of course exceptions where people will regroup and carry on, sometimes with increased determination... but most of the time people choose to die fighting and go do something else.

my point being that it isnt that easy to just "not wipe out other clans" when you get into a war with them.
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Post by: Balikar on April 16, 2014, 12:36:50 am
I disagree Matey.  They attack the last of the small clan's strongholds.

What if they laid actual siege?  Surround it with their armies... or truly focused on shutting down their own borders?  It's the wipe that should be avoided... not the war. 
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Post by: Matey on April 16, 2014, 01:07:30 am
I disagree Matey.  They attack the last of the small clan's strongholds.

What if they laid actual siege?  Surround it with their armies... or truly focused on shutting down their own borders?  It's the wipe that should be avoided... not the war.

if you surrounded their last fief and starved them rather than finishing it off... i think that would break a clan more than just taking the fief. but the thing is most of the wars are "eternal wars!". you go in for the bit of land you want, you take it and then people generally declare eternal war on you so either you finish them off and they either come back to harass you occasionally or you leave em alone and they do anything they can to fuck with you. its pretty rare you see a decent peace treaty or amicable end to a war. I wish it were different but i dont know how to change it. id like to see smaller wars in terms of land changing hands... like fight a buncha open field battles and the loser has to surrender a fief or something but that kinda thing is hard to do since its not really a real no-holds war.

i do agree it sucks to see clans wiped out and not coming back, i just dont see how to stop it from happening.
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Post by: Rikthor on April 16, 2014, 01:22:46 am
i do agree it sucks to see clans wiped out and not coming back, i just dont see how to stop it from happening.

There is your issue, people just throw in the towel once they have been "beaten". Doesn't matter if it is a small clan or large clan, most just give up and don't return. Look at other games in the past with some type of conquest system, like Darkfall. People begin to care too much about their precious pixels, then we they lose them for any reason, it's game over and quit. That same issue is part of the reason why so many clans immediately group together in dumb hand holding alliances. Oh no, a faction that's slightly larger than us doesn't like us, time to get 3 other clans to be our partners. Oh no, that one time at band camp Faction A helped Faction B, so we clearly need 5-6 allies now. It's happened multiple times in every Strat I have participated in.

Ultimately, the NA player base in Strat has just gotten so small even a 10 man clan quitting hurts it tremendously.
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Post by: Mae. on April 16, 2014, 04:38:39 pm
The small clans, and by small I refer to fief size, not numbers... get swarmed by the big clans
..wait. what? so like JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.. if squids (12 highly active dudes, but only 12) go after someone like lco,acre, dsep or mb(40+)... we should say poor big 'little' guy.. are we treating larger factions like golden retrievers now?
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 16, 2014, 04:47:00 pm
..wait. what? so like JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.. if squids (12 highly active dudes, but only 12) go after someone like lco,acre, dsep or mb(40+)... we should say poor big 'little' guy.. are we treating larger factions like golden retrievers now?

Euthanizing them after they are 10 years old because of a bad hip?  :?:
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Post by: Rhalzo on April 16, 2014, 09:31:14 pm
There is your issue, people just throw in the towel once they have been "beaten". Doesn't matter if it is a small clan or large clan, most just give up and don't return.

I've lost track of how many times I've been wiped off the map. Sometimes it's nice to restart after things are stagnant for awhile. Maybe other people aren't quite the same way though. If you're going to get wiped out, at least put up a fight to get some XP out of your shit before it's gone.

Keep up the great work everyone! I'm so proud of each and every one of you.
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Post by: HardRice on April 16, 2014, 10:18:45 pm
I've lost track of how many times I've been wiped off the map. Sometimes it's nice to restart after things are stagnant for awhile. Maybe other people aren't quite the same way though. If you're going to get wiped out, at least put up a fight to get some XP out of your shit before it's gone.

Keep up the great work everyone! I'm so proud of each and every one of you.
Being wiped is like an opportunity to restart, no one believes you're a threat if they've taken all your fiefs.
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Post by: dreadnok on April 17, 2014, 08:39:22 pm
Is somebody gonna fuck or what
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Post by: arowaine on April 17, 2014, 10:19:46 pm
..wait. what? so like JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.. if squids (12 highly active dudes, but only 12) go after someone like lco,acre, dsep or mb(40+)... we should say poor big 'little' guy.. are we treating larger factions like golden retrievers now?

we are 39 :Dnot 40+ pls correct that statement thanks maeday
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Post by: Artyem on April 19, 2014, 05:02:13 am
Updated, probably missed something.

p.s Vagabond Dynasty declares war on the Sloths, sorry for lack of uninteresting RP


edit: missed Distar, sorry Kesh n Friends

edit2: also fixed the typo in the "Order of Saints" icon, sorry Sparvibro and friends.  Thanks for pointing it out, sJimmy.

edit3: political map is a prototype still, don't get too mad if I miss something
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Post by: njames89 on April 19, 2014, 11:58:17 am
Thanks for putting our new icon in Arty. Looks glorious. Also I can tell you guys Acre does not ever plan on wiping our enemies.... entirely.
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Post by: Artyem on April 20, 2014, 10:48:03 pm
updated
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Post by: Artyem on April 25, 2014, 09:08:53 am
updated the diplomacy map
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Post by: Jack1 on April 26, 2014, 03:18:31 am
you made me clean my screen about 10 times before I realized those smudges were on the picture for the diplomacy map.
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Post by: Westgate on April 26, 2014, 10:43:40 am
Hate to make you update the map again Arty, but Nova Reyvadin is part of Acre with Desire joining the banner.
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Post by: Artyem on April 26, 2014, 08:10:39 pm
Hate to make you update the map again Arty, but Nova Reyvadin is part of Acre with Desire joining the banner.

Desire asked for it to be separate, so it's separate but the numbers are added.
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Post by: phnxhdsn on April 26, 2014, 09:03:18 pm
Don't forget to add mine, Switch's and Heskeytime's new faction! We own Tulga :) - But still do not have a faction name :(
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Post by: Keshian on April 27, 2014, 12:39:15 am
Don't forget to add mine, Switch's and Heskeytime's new faction! We own Tulga :) - But still do not have a faction name :(

What happened to the KFC??
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Post by: StonedSteel on April 27, 2014, 01:12:41 am
What happened to the KFC??

pff whats the point? noone will declare war on the KFC ever...

THEY TOO SCARED
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Post by: phnxhdsn on April 27, 2014, 02:34:50 am
Yeah is a shame :( Now we have no idea what to call ourselves.. ^^
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Post by: Matey on April 27, 2014, 02:58:25 am
Yeah is a shame :( Now we have no idea what to call ourselves.. ^^

Expedition of
United
Seriously
Courageous
Unruly
Men
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Post by: Butan on April 27, 2014, 03:00:34 am
Yeah is a shame :( Now we have no idea what to call ourselves.. ^^

The EU my old friends


*is EU*
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Post by: Switchtense on April 27, 2014, 08:15:13 pm
Super Turtle Dinos (STD)

or

Super Awesome Refugee Scum (SARS)
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Post by: Balikar on April 28, 2014, 05:54:45 am
66 towns controlled by 6 clans.

Seriously, where's the fun?  None of the big boys fight each other.  Special Education goes after the easy wins, and only easy wins.  None of the smaller factions can gain any ground... the bullies on the block won't let them.  It's merge this clan, ally with this one...

And I think the funny part of it all is that EU clans think the grass is greener over here.  They'll learn tho.
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Post by: Matey on April 28, 2014, 06:10:44 am
66 towns controlled by 6 clans.

Seriously, where's the fun?  None of the big boys fight each other.  Special Education goes after the easy wins, and only easy wins.  None of the smaller factions can gain any ground... the bullies on the block won't let them.  It's merge this clan, ally with this one...

And I think the funny part of it all is that EU clans think the grass is greener over here.  They'll learn tho.

assuming those 6 are not all allied together then its a step up from EU. but yeah NA has its mega-alliance issues too.. its still not as bad as EU though
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Post by: Taser on April 28, 2014, 06:55:19 am
Don't worry guise. Tasa Clan will soon go to war.

Strat shall live.
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Post by: Artyem on April 28, 2014, 07:06:16 am
assuming those 6 are not all allied together then its a step up from EU. but yeah NA has its mega-alliance issues too.. its still not as bad as EU though

Well, maybe not officially allied.
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 28, 2014, 07:49:13 am
assuming those 6 are not all allied together then its a step up from EU. but yeah NA has its mega-alliance issues too.. its still not as bad as EU though

On any given day, look how many "real fights" are taking place in EU. Maybe one or two. And they're taking place against a gigantic slav hive-mind that a very large part of EU has decided to ignore, and a few have even decided to move to NA.

Now, look how many fights take place on any given day in NA. Maybe a fight against AI that 30 defenders at the most will sign up, more likely 20. There are a few in which factions that don't give a shit will attack lucrative targets with a lot of crates.

Even so, think about how many "good" fights have taken place in NA in the entire strategus round. I can't think of a single one that has not had a 10 or more player disparity between the factions.

Strategus has no consensual sex. Only brutal rape. Let's just get on with the full plate rondel daggers fights for XP because every sane participant knows that is the end goal.
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Post by: Matey on April 28, 2014, 10:17:02 am
On any given day, look how many "real fights" are taking place in EU. Maybe one or two. And they're taking place against a gigantic slav hive-mind that a very large part of EU has decided to ignore, and a few have even decided to move to NA.

Now, look how many fights take place on any given day in NA. Maybe a fight against AI that 30 defenders at the most will sign up, more likely 20. There are a few in which factions that don't give a shit will attack lucrative targets with a lot of crates.

Even so, think about how many "good" fights have taken place in NA in the entire strategus round. I can't think of a single one that has not had a 10 or more player disparity between the factions.

Strategus has no consensual sex. Only brutal rape. Let's just get on with the full plate rondel daggers fights for XP because every sane participant knows that is the end goal.

i do agree nothing much has happened on NA side but at least there is a higher potential (x<0)for wars than the on the EU side... that counts for something doesn't it?
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Post by: HappyPhantom on April 28, 2014, 11:26:08 am
I know I'm a noob - having only played strat for the end of last round plus the beginning of this one - and I don't have to mastermind a clans tactics - but c'mon, the point of strat is to pit yourselves against another faction and take their motherfuckn land and troops and their self respect and sanity. If the point of this strat is trade trade trade and then battle for purely XP, well, I'll be dissapointed.
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Post by: Switchtense on April 28, 2014, 11:47:27 am
66 towns controlled by 6 clans.

And I think the funny part of it all is that EU clans think the grass is greener over here.  They'll learn tho.

60 fiefs controlled by 2 factions.

Take Kapikulu into account and its 79 fiefs controlled by 3 factions.

Wait until UIF takes half of the remaining Shogunate fiefs and its 83 fiefs controlled by 3 factions.

Tell me again how NA, with its 66 fiefs controlled by 6 factions that aren't even officially allied, is better than 83 fiefs controlled by 3 factions officially allied.

Edit: Of course I know that EU has more fiefs in total, but that doesn't change that UIF owns half of the map, each one of them, Greys, Druzhina and Kapis own a territory that large that they don't need anyone else to trade with. They can simply trade from one end of their territory to the other end. No faction in NA can do that while actually making a decent amount of profit. (Distance bonus would not be good enough pretty much)

So yes, until Greys and Druzhina start a war with each other, NA is indeed better than EU.
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Post by: Balikar on April 28, 2014, 02:18:08 pm
>>Well, maybe not officially allied.<<

There's the problem.  I pointed out that there is an unspoken alliance between Special Ed and the Squids.  Now we have the Marauders and the Squids... there was a merc contract, nothing more.  Acre and the Marauders went to war with one another.  That war produced two battles, and one was a fluke.  It ended in 24 hours, and in the Marauders thread, the Squids are claiming that the Marauders made peace, but the Squids hadn't.  The Squids weren't at war, so why would they have to?  Ah, because the merc contract was actually a full fledged alliance, that's why.

Now look at the actions of Special Ed.  They're jumping on any small army, small trader they see.  They're technically at war with Acre, but no major battle has happened yet.  Why is that?  It's not from a lack of resources on either side.

>>Edit: Of course I know that EU has more fiefs in total, but that doesn't change that UIF owns half of the map, each one of them, Greys, Druzhina and Kapis own a territory that large that they don't need anyone else to trade with. They can simply trade from one end of their territory to the other end. No faction in NA can do that while actually making a decent amount of profit. (Distance bonus would not be good enough pretty much)<<

I think Special Ed can do it.  They have fiefs at either end of the desert.  KBW lands are quite extensive, and Occitan has Tadsamesh/Caraf Castle.    The Squids can do it too now I believe. 
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Post by: Keshian on April 28, 2014, 02:25:44 pm

Even so, think about how many "good" fights have taken place in NA in the entire strategus round. I can't think of a single one that has not had a 10 or more player disparity between the factions.


Ichamur - great fight.  Had 49 show up on ai side and 48 on attackers side.
Two nights ago battle between gforce guy and Jack1, equal number of mercs, really close fight.
First Reyvadin battle - great fight
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Post by: Mae. on April 28, 2014, 05:50:02 pm
If you're caught in Special Education area without talking to someone you will be attacked because it's called closed borders, if you make yourself an 'easy target' that shits on you doggie.
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Post by: Rikthor on April 28, 2014, 05:58:13 pm
If you're caught in Special Education area without talking to someone you will be attacked because it's called closed borders, if you make yourself an 'easy target' that shits on you doggie.

Yeah, to be fair, GForce did immediately go after Hospitallers who were around them in the same numbers. There are much better examples of nerds holding hands refusing to fight and only going after 5man clans than Gforce attacking S/D thiefs.
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Post by: Switchtense on April 28, 2014, 06:44:09 pm
>>Well, maybe not officially allied.<<

There's the problem.  I pointed out that there is an unspoken alliance between Special Ed and the Squids.  Now we have the Marauders and the Squids... there was a merc contract, nothing more.  Acre and the Marauders went to war with one another.  That war produced two battles, and one was a fluke.  It ended in 24 hours, and in the Marauders thread, the Squids are claiming that the Marauders made peace, but the Squids hadn't.  The Squids weren't at war, so why would they have to?  Ah, because the merc contract was actually a full fledged alliance, that's why.

Now look at the actions of Special Ed.  They're jumping on any small army, small trader they see.  They're technically at war with Acre, but no major battle has happened yet.  Why is that?  It's not from a lack of resources on either side.

Even if Special Education and Squids and maybe also Marauders are allied, they can still be hurt big times by other factions.
That alone makes NA better than EU, because over there literally nothing can harm UIF. The only way UIF could actually be harmed would be for the whole rest of EU to unite and attack them together. That is not possible, no matter how much you turn and twist it. It is about as easy as uniting the whole of NA to invade EU (Even if there was no ping disadvantage which obviously puts some people off). It would still never happen.
The lack of battles is purely a result of factions not wanting to lose troops or gear.
Any battle against UIF results in totall annihilation of the Anti-UIF side (Shogunate is the best example, not bad gear but no chance whatsoever)

>>Edit: Of course I know that EU has more fiefs in total, but that doesn't change that UIF owns half of the map, each one of them, Greys, Druzhina and Kapis own a territory that large that they don't need anyone else to trade with. They can simply trade from one end of their territory to the other end. No faction in NA can do that while actually making a decent amount of profit. (Distance bonus would not be good enough pretty much)<<

I think Special Ed can do it.  They have fiefs at either end of the desert.  KBW lands are quite extensive, and Occitan has Tadsamesh/Caraf Castle.    The Squids can do it too now I believe.

Special Education can definitely do it. But they don't own the desert. They own parts of it. They have to travel through unclaimed lands, or more importantly, unguarded.
While Druzhina literally has control over their whole desert, Special Ed has to send caravans to the other side, taking the risk of hostile parties raiding them where they have no fiefs/armies. And that would definitely be the case if someone was to declare war on them and actually invading their territory.
Try entering Druzhina lands with a decent army if you are hostile, or even if you just aren't friendly. Good luck.

Squids definitely cannot do it. The distance bonus would either be 0, or even negative. (If GoW or Legs belong to them, same problem as Special Ed.

Occitans, maybe, but its the same problem as Special Ed. Unguarded lands, taking the risk of raids.

Keyboard Warriors also same thing. The fiefs are just too mixed up, no faction actually has one huge blob of territory. Purely distance wise quite a few clans are capable of trading with themselves. But in times of war this would prove itself as a very very difficult thing to do. (Provided the attackers know what they are doing)
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Post by: Jona on April 28, 2014, 06:44:27 pm
Don't worry guise. Tasa Clan will soon go to war.

Strat shall live.

Yus!
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Post by: Wesleysnipes on April 28, 2014, 07:32:26 pm
Balikar, are you in Acre/SR by any chance?
lmao.
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Post by: Balikar on April 28, 2014, 07:42:38 pm
>>Balikar, are you in Acre/SR by any chance?<<

Nope.  Outsider looking in. 
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Post by: Wesleysnipes on April 28, 2014, 07:47:56 pm
Then get your shit together.
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 28, 2014, 09:04:12 pm
Switch even if ALL of the rest of EU besides Kap, Grey and DRZ united together to attack them, they would stand no chance of making a dent in them.  You'd need some massive coordination and would need lots of people buying and selling the S&D in their fiefs to burn S&D. 
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Post by: Switchtense on April 28, 2014, 09:48:37 pm
Switch even if ALL of the rest of EU besides Kap, Grey and DRZ united together to attack them, they would stand no chance of making a dent in them.  You'd need some massive coordination and would need lots of people buying and selling the S&D in their fiefs to burn S&D.

That is the 2nd problem. Technically it would be possible to hurt UIF in the long run. But the coordination would be impossible. I will just dare to go that far to say that not even Druzhina would be capable of doing that.

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Post by: Balikar on April 28, 2014, 11:17:34 pm
>>Then get your shit together, and stop calling us out on our shit.<<

And all because I called a duck... a duck.
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Post by: Noodlenrice on April 28, 2014, 11:23:54 pm
>>Then get your shit together, and stop calling us out on our shit.<<

And all because I called a duck... a duck.
if you're an outsider looking in, then please stop saying that we are all forming F.C.C
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Post by: Balikar on April 29, 2014, 12:13:20 am
>>f you're an outsider looking in, then please stop saying that we are all forming F.C.C<<

I've never said you were.  I simply believe a lot of the 'mega' factions are allied with one another, unofficially or officially, and it kills strat when that's the case.  I'd also prefer to see evenly matched opponents go at it, rather than the schoolyard bully mentality prevalent here. 
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Post by: Kelugarn on April 29, 2014, 08:05:58 am
Please update the map to show that I have claimed Jelbegi Castle as my Wizard Fortress of Solitude. Please continue to leave it alone.
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Post by: Taser on April 29, 2014, 08:11:17 am
Please update the map to show that I have claimed Jelbegi Castle as my Wizard Fortress of Solitude. Please continue to leave it alone.

Coming over now.
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Post by: HardRice on April 29, 2014, 02:22:36 pm
Please update the map to show that I have claimed Jelbegi Castle as my Wizard Fortress of Solitude. Please continue to leave it alone.
You claim our claim so I'm gonna claim your claim on our claim.
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Post by: Noodlenrice on April 29, 2014, 02:53:08 pm
You claim our claim so I'm gonna claim your claim on our claim.
well I claim your claim on his claim on your claim
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Post by: phnxhdsn on April 29, 2014, 04:29:13 pm
Am i allowed to claim Jelbegi Castle too? :D
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Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 29, 2014, 05:22:16 pm
Astralis is not officially at war with squids, just so you know. we just dont like eachother
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Post by: Noodlenrice on May 01, 2014, 02:54:47 pm
We want update!!!111!!!1!1!1!
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Post by: Artyem on May 01, 2014, 09:39:58 pm
I'll try to update it tomorrow.
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Post by: Artyem on May 05, 2014, 11:29:14 am
everything is updated, probably missed a bunch of shit though.

internet so unstable that uploading the political map almost killed my connection
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Post by: Noodlenrice on May 09, 2014, 06:21:09 am
Did desire and the guy that owns tadsamesh leave acre and create their own clan?
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Post by: CALAMARI on May 09, 2014, 06:24:15 am
Yeah; I think Acre is breaking up. SR wants out of the war and are thinking about dropping Acre. Hell, James is even selling fiefs to EU.
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Post by: Alaire on May 09, 2014, 06:31:00 am
:( Shame. RIP James! Let it be known(since this war seems to be coming to an end very quickly...) that we I harbor no hard feelings. We'reI'm just trying to have fun playing this owled game.

*cheers* to your future journeys! :D

Edit: Crossed out items are ones which were discovered to be incorrect with given knowledge. (also due to other thread, I have changed the people I include in my statement...) =\ Anyhoo, cheers!
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Post by: njames89 on May 09, 2014, 07:32:49 am
Yeah; I think Acre is breaking up. SR wants out of the war and are thinking about dropping Acre. Hell, James is even selling fiefs to EU.

There is no end to your bullshit rofl. Desire desired an independent state the entire time. We helped her with security from GoW. That isn't a problem anymore. Also my vassals are free despite what propaganda you may believe.
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Post by: Noodlenrice on May 09, 2014, 02:34:43 pm
There is no end to your bullshit rofl. Desire desired an independent state the entire time. We helped her with security from GoW. That isn't a problem anymore. Also my vassals are free despite what propaganda you may believe.
A vassal is a person who has entered into a mutual obligation to a lord or monarch

Freedom - absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 09, 2014, 03:03:21 pm
I think he means his vassals were free to choose to be vassals, or choose to be independent.
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Post by: Noodlenrice on May 09, 2014, 03:05:24 pm
I think he means his vassals were free to choose to be vassals, or choose to be independent.
Well I guess that his vassals want out now. That is just an observation when Calamari showed me steam message with Harx
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Post by: Lt_Anders on May 09, 2014, 06:29:32 pm
Well I guess that his vassals want out now. That is just an observation when Calamari showed me steam message with Harx

SR is like...the new Haven. Bunch of young kids :wink:
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Post by: HappyPhantom on May 09, 2014, 10:30:33 pm
Young kids play this game, oh, I never realised... Such mature community.  8-)
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Post by: Built on May 11, 2014, 08:06:43 am
I love the map, however

the mountains unowned by any province, please give to sungetche.

please update to reflect new factions

kthx
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Post by: Artyem on May 11, 2014, 08:33:14 am
Mountains are international territory.

and I update it when I have the time to work on it.
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Post by: Jona on May 11, 2014, 08:43:15 am
No one can own the mountains, but thankfully we can still own the sea!
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 11, 2014, 08:58:23 am
Put us back at war with the squids, because fuck the squids.

If they came in our lands we might attack them, on account of being broke-ass bitches, but if we went in their lands they'd sure as shit attack us.
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Post by: Artyem on May 11, 2014, 09:47:15 am
No one can own the mountains, but thankfully we can still own the sea!

Those are just coastal waters, the only people laying claim to the mountains and cliffs are the hundreds of no-faction dots stuck in them.
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Post by: Built on May 11, 2014, 09:55:59 am
Mountains are international territory.


I AM THE MOUNTAIN KING DAMMIT!
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Post by: Wesleysnipes on May 11, 2014, 08:55:59 pm
Put us back at war with the squids, because fuck the squids.

If they came in our lands we might attack them, on account of being broke-ass bitches, but if we went in their lands they'd sure as shit attack us.

Pussy bitch. Stop hiding like acre.
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Post by: CALAMARI on May 11, 2014, 09:02:13 pm
Put us back at war with the squids, because fuck the squids.

If they came in our lands we might attack them, on account of being broke-ass bitches, but if we went in their lands they'd sure as shit attack us.

Lies we let Daruvian and Thornwald through all the time
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 11, 2014, 09:04:01 pm
Pussy bitch. Stop hiding like acre.

lol

also rude

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Post by: Wesleysnipes on May 11, 2014, 09:23:32 pm
lol

also rude

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k
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Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on May 12, 2014, 01:16:25 am
are you implying ive even moved on strat in the last two weeks

and hey wesley, you're waifu a shit, BITCH
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Post by: PsychoTwins on May 12, 2014, 07:46:38 pm
lol

also rude

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ORRR you could build up while we fuck around in the north and pull of a flank/backstab on us to spice up strat some more  :D

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Post by: Balikar on May 12, 2014, 07:51:56 pm
ORRR you could build up while we fuck around in the north and pull of a flank/backstab on us to spice up strat some more  :D

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ORRRR Marauders and Squids can split, and the Marauders can pull off the ultimate backstab. 
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Post by: PsychoTwins on May 12, 2014, 07:55:33 pm
ORRRR Marauders and Squids can split, and the Marauders can pull off the ultimate backstab.

Well considering 90% play CS GO now(including the leader of Marauders now) and all ive been doing is roaming the map trading, if anything it would end up helping the squids by giving them everything.

Edit: Almost all the fighting the Squids have been doing is all their own guys too, Marauders really is basically afk'ing.
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Post by: Balikar on May 12, 2014, 10:14:30 pm
Well considering 90% play CS GO now(including the leader of Marauders now) and all ive been doing is roaming the map trading, if anything it would end up helping the squids by giving them everything.

Edit: Almost all the fighting the Squids have been doing is all their own guys too, Marauders really is basically afk'ing.

So what you're saying is... if the Marauders were to split, the squids would have everything.  How is that different from the current situation?  IE the Marauders are afk, so it's the squids running everything?   

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Post by: PsychoTwins on May 12, 2014, 10:22:19 pm
So what you're saying is... if the Marauders were to split, the squids would have everything.  How is that different from the current situation?  IE the Marauders are afk, so it's the squids running everything?

All the trade routes/silver they would get. They could then sell the fiefs and whatnot. Would also open Marauders up for a nice attack from acre.
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Post by: Balikar on May 12, 2014, 11:09:28 pm
All the trade routes/silver they would get. They could then sell the fiefs and whatnot. Would also open Marauders up for a nice attack from acre.

But would the Marauders really care?  They're afk afterall.  It's ok Bob.  We can find you a new home.  ;-)
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Post by: PsychoTwins on May 13, 2014, 01:32:52 am
But would the Marauders really care?  They're afk afterall.  It's ok Bob.  We can find you a new home.  ;-)

No, but this is easier/better. You wouldn't understand as you don't play strat ;-)
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Post by: Balikar on May 13, 2014, 02:00:46 am
No, but this is easier/better. You wouldn't understand as you don't play strat ;-)

Says you.  ;-)
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Post by: Artyem on May 19, 2014, 12:14:27 am
updated

forgot a few things, putting them on the list of shit to change
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Post by: Balikar on July 06, 2014, 02:30:01 am
Sadly, would love to have an updated thing, but even I can't keep track of who's at war with who at this point.
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on July 06, 2014, 02:46:57 am
Sadly, would love to have an updated thing, but even I can't keep track of who's at war with who at this point.

Okay here we go:

Everyone except for super-friends, legitimate businessmen, and special education folks are at actively hostile or nominally (hostile while being afk) hostile to squids.

Done.
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Post by: Taser on July 06, 2014, 02:57:18 am
Tasa Clan is at war with cooperation until further notice. They were mighty pissed I attacked a trader.
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Post by: Artyem on July 06, 2014, 03:31:38 am
I'll try and find the time to make some sort of an update.
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Post by: poonerplox2 on October 11, 2014, 07:55:36 am
So when are we dropping all the bull shit and invading EU cuz i want some god damn fish and chips.

Please, I am so down for this, I have been saying this since week 2 of strat. I have an army ready for the task