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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Unban Essays => Topic started by: Rusty_Shacklefjord on December 31, 2011, 07:34:39 am
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Otherwise known as:
Fuck the Police
I just received a perma-ban for the grievous crime of disagreeing with an admin.
I was in the NA (Official) forum expressing my feelings regarding the heavy-handed rule of cRPG admins, and was perma-banned by Tears of Destiny. It's my understanding that 'chat abuse' is against server rules, which Tears was happy to remind me of. Apparently, in his opinion, my disagreeable attitude was abusive. I'm now stating that Tears' ban-happy attitude is abusive to me, an opinion that I could have backed up with reasonable arguments if he hadn't locked the thread and denied me the opportunity to do so. For this transgression, I was instantly subjected to a perma-ban.
My point here being, of course, that 'disrespect' is subjective, and that Tears' ignorant and tyrannical administration is both immoral and unjustified. I understand that cRPG is not held to the same standards as the U.S. constitution - but it should be. Suppression of free speech is, again, immoral, and frankly I find it to be very offensive. I'm not really a nice person. I don't feel the need to censor myself in order to pander to idiots like Tears, and for this reason I'm sometimes disliked. That's completely fine. It's his right to dislike me - just as it's my right to be unlikable.
The internet is not a nice place. The world is not a nice place. I wasn't teamwounding. I wasn't committing hate crimes. I wasn't even breaking 'the rules.' My only crime is in offending this little girl's delicate sensibilities. That's right; all I did was disagree with one power-hungry admin, who couldn't stand the thought that he might be wrong about something. I could write a book about why censorship is wrong, and I might have to if this trend of corrupt and idiotic administration in cRPG keeps up - but for now, I'd like to save us all a little time and just ask that Tears (and any other overly strict admins) be relieved of their positions and subjected to the same sort of unjustified ban that they have subjected so many others to.
I posted a likeness of the above text in another thread that was very similar to this one. So similar, in fact, that my message still applied. It seems that idiotic administrators abound in cRPG.
He cites SEVEN offenses, most of which I explicitly remember, and most of which were false. For example: I seem to have three counts of leeching on my record, but have never once leeched. In fact, I can remember one such "offense" explicitly. I'd fallen off of a bridge into a deep moat on a siege map and become trapped therein. Due to poor map design, I was unable to make my way out, and was forced to stew in another's shortcomings for the remainder of the round. I expressed my disgust in the public chat, but was unseen by the admin. Shortly thereafter, he leapt from the bridge above and banned me before even reaching the ground. In hindsight I realize that I could have committed suicide by changing to the 'spectator' faction, but at the time I had no idea. I certainly received no such recommendation, and no warning. I had no chance to rebut my position, as always seems to be the case with cRPG admins. Ban first, and ignore any questions is their motto. I was also accused of exploiting, which was eventually proven, in this very forum, to be a false claim. Someone claimed that I had intentionally used a pike on horseback, a glitch that I, at the time, did not even know existed. During the game in which this occurred an admin warned me and I immediately dropped the pike, quickly explaining the situation lest I be banned by the zealous fool. Most of the other 'offenses' follow in this vein: hasty accusations by admins that should know better, but don't.
I understand that rules are important. I don't want to be teamkilled any more than anyone else. However, there is a point where enforcement of the rules becomes excessive and even harmful. In my opinion, cRPG would do just fine without any admins at all. I think that, for the vast majority of cases, player-moderated bans and the QML function are all that are needed. I have no problem with reasonable rules. In fact, I follow them very closely, now that I've had a chance to read and understand them. It's the irresponsible and excessive enforcement that I disagree with. This essay, by its very existence, is evidence of how unreasonable the cRPG admins are. I am nothing but civil in how I voice my opinions on this forum, yet I've been met with nothing but hostility by the admins who are supposed to be my fellows. This essay evidences my respect for my fellow players - but it seems that they have no respect for me.
(abbreviated to ~850 words, because I got my message across in a concise manner and FUCK THE POLICE)
Edit: @Canary, sorry about the misdirected anger. I assumed that you were involved since you were the one posting in chat. This would be normally be grounds for a pithy remark about how admins often ban with no explanation, but I wouldn't want to hurt Tears' feelings.
(lol)
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He cites SEVEN offenses, most of which I explicitly remember, and most of which were false.
Care to revise? You only listed two of this "majority" and you still have 150 or so words to spare.
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Otherwise known as:
Fuck the Police
I just received a perma-ban for the grievous crime of disagreeing with an admin.
I was in the NA (Official) forum expressing my feelings regarding the heavy-handed rule of cRPG admins, and was perma-banned by Tears of Destiny. It's my understanding that 'chat abuse' is against server rules, which Tears was happy to remind me of. Apparently, in his opinion, my disagreeable attitude was abusive. I'm now stating that Tears' ban-happy attitude is abusive to me, an opinion that I could have backed up with reasonable arguments if he hadn't locked the thread and denied me the opportunity to do so. For this transgression, I was instantly subjected to a perma-ban.
My point here being, of course, that 'disrespect' is subjective, and that Tears' ignorant and tyrannical administration is both immoral and unjustified. I understand that cRPG is not held to the same standards as the U.S. constitution - but it should be. Suppression of free speech is, again, immoral, and frankly I find it to be very offensive. I'm not really a nice person. I don't feel the need to censor myself in order to pander to idiots like Tears, and for this reason I'm sometimes disliked. That's completely fine. It's his right to dislike me - just as it's my right to be unlikable.
The internet is not a nice place. The world is not a nice place. I wasn't teamwounding. I wasn't committing hate crimes. I wasn't even breaking 'the rules.' My only crime is in offending this little girl's delicate sensibilities. That's right; all I did was disagree with one power-hungry admin, who couldn't stand the thought that he might be wrong about something. I could write a book about why censorship is wrong, and I might have to if this trend of corrupt and idiotic administration in cRPG keeps up - but for now, I'd like to save us all a little time and just ask that Tears (and any other overly strict admins [such as Canary]) be relieved of their positions and subjected to the same sort of unjustified ban that they have subjected so many others to.
I posted a likeness of the above text in another thread that was very similar to this one. So similar, in fact, that my message still applied. It seems that idiotic administrators abound in cRPG.
He cites SEVEN offenses, most of which I explicitly remember, and most of which were false. For example: I seem to have three counts of leeching on my record, but have never once leeched. In fact, I can remember one such "offense" explicitly. I'd fallen off of a bridge into a deep moat on a siege map and become trapped therein. Due to poor map design, I was unable to make my way out, and was forced to stew in another's shortcomings for the remainder of the round. I expressed my disgust in the public chat, but was unseen by the admin. Shortly thereafter, he leapt from the bridge above and banned me before even reaching the ground. In hindsight I realize that I could have committed suicide by changing to the 'spectator' faction, but at the time I had no idea. I certainly received no such recommendation, and no warning. I had no chance to rebut my position, as always seems to be the case with cRPG admins. Ban first, and ignore any questions is their motto. I was also accused of exploiting, which was eventually proven, in this very forum, to be a false claim. Someone claimed that I had intentionally used a pike on horseback, a glitch that I, at the time, did not even know existed. During the game in which this occurred an admin warned me and I immediately dropped the pike, quickly explaining the situation lest I be banned by the zealous fool. Most of the other 'offenses' follow in this vein: hasty accusations by admins that should know better, but don't.
I understand that rules are important. I don't want to be teamkilled any more than anyone else. However, there is a point where enforcement of the rules becomes excessive and even harmful. In my opinion, cRPG would do just fine without any admins at all. I think that, for the vast majority of cases, player-moderated bans and the QML function are all that are needed. I have no problem with reasonable rules. In fact, I follow them very closely, now that I've had a chance to read and understand them. It's the irresponsible and excessive enforcement that I disagree with. This essay, by its very existence, is evidence of how unreasonable the cRPG admins are. I am nothing but civil in how I voice my opinions on this forum, yet I've been met with nothing but hostility by the admins who are supposed to be my fellows. This essay evidences my respect for my fellow players - but it seems that they have no respect for me.
(abbreviated to ~850 words, because I got my message across in a concise manner and FUCK THE POLICE)
P.S. see title. move thread at earliest opportunity.
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Care to revise?
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"For example: I seem to have three counts of leeching on my record, but have never once leeched. In fact, I can remember one such "offense" explicitly. I'd fallen off of a bridge into a deep moat on a siege map and become trapped therein. Due to poor map design, I was unable to make my way out, and was forced to stew in another's shortcomings for the remainder of the round. I expressed my disgust in the public chat, but was unseen by the admin. Shortly thereafter, he leapt from the bridge above and banned me before even reaching the ground. In hindsight I realize that I could have committed suicide by changing to the 'spectator' faction, but at the time I had no idea. I certainly received no such recommendation, and no warning. I had no chance to rebut my position, as always seems to be the case with cRPG admins. Ban first, and ignore any questions is their motto. I was also accused of exploiting, which was eventually proven, in this very forum, to be a false claim. Someone claimed that I had intentionally used a pike on horseback, a glitch that I, at the time, did not even know existed. During the game in which this occurred an admin warned me and I immediately dropped the pike, quickly explaining the situation lest I be banned by the zealous fool. Most of the other 'offenses' follow in this vein: hasty accusations by admins that should know better, but don't."
Sorry, but I've played hundreds or thousands of games and, shockingly, I'm not able to remember every single one of them. In fact, I don't even remember having a character named Mas_Oyama. That first teamwounding offense might have been legitimate, although at the time I was a noob that didn't understand the rules and it was probably a revenge TW. The bans from Ganner were probably also unfounded, as I remember him being very unreasonable and unprofessional - just like you.
Anyway, you're just nitpicking. The fact remains that I'm a serious player that follows the rules. I'm pretty skilled, and would probably beat most of you admins in a fair 1v1 duel. My presence is enriching, and I've only faced such persecution because of my 'rudeness' towards admins.
Edit: To give you an idea of the reasons for my being banned in the past, you only have to look at this thread. I haven't broken any rules, but I'm sure that this will still be looked back on as evidence against me if I'm ever banned again.
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This would be normally be grounds for a pithy remark about how admins often ban with no explanation, but I wouldn't want to hurt Tears' feelings.
(lol)
I'm not going to give you more then a map and a half of warnings, which in retrospect was far too much, considering you personally received warnings during the course of several consecutive rounds. Just because you don't agree with a warning does not mean I did not give it.
Anywho, someone can edit a poll in and people can vote, now that this is in the correct forum. Enjoy!
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an essay ban is excessive anyway, only 2 of his bans were for ingame shittery and one of them was from smoothrich which is like an anti ban, really should be a -1 ban on his record
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I'm not going to give you more then a map and a half of warnings, which in retrospect was far too much, considering you personally received warnings during the course of several consecutive rounds. Just because you don't agree with a warning does not mean I did not give it.
Anywho, someone can edit a poll in and people can vote, now that this is in the correct forum. Enjoy!
YOU didn't give any warnings, which was the point that I was trying to make. Or if you did I didn't see them since you weren't posting in the official admin pinktext. I was still under the impression that we were having a friendly discussion about censorship when I was suddenly censored.
At the very least I would have appreciated a "Johannes_Liechtenauer, I'm banning you for X hours for abusing chat," so that I knew who had banned me, for what, and for how long.
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Also, it's probably irrelevant now, but I just remembered what one of the other leeching accusations was for.
Mas_Oyama was a STF samurai that I made a few months ago. I sold my peasant gear and spent my initial 10k on a katana and some clothes. The katana kept breaking and I didn't have any money to fix it, so it was rendered unusable after a few rounds. I didn't have any other weapons, so I was forced to go without and do my best to pick something up during the round. Ganner accused me of leeching, and I explained that I didn't have any usable weapons. I assured him that I be able would repair my katana within one or two rounds, but he deemed this unacceptable and told me to purchase another weapon on the website. I complied, spending most of my money on a practice sword and needlessly prolonging the time it would take to fix my katana. I informed him of this but was still banned before the round ended and I could spawn with it. That's right - I was banned for something that I literally could not help, even after doing my best to comply with the admin's demands. Yet another instance of admins in cRPG being unreasonable and enforcing the rules in an overly strict manner.
With terrible experiences like this, is it any wonder that I dislike the admins?
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So... is somebody going to unban me?
I've been wrongfully banned for 2 days now, even after going out of my way to write this essay.
Should I just start PMing admins or what?
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PM someone to make a poll, it will then be voted on (a 1 to 5 poll). Or, if you can, edit in the poll yourself to this thread (should be top right, Add Poll)
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There's no option to add a poll.
Who should I PM? And how long does the poll have to run before I'm unbanned?
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Serfonz (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3073)
Braeden (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=149)
okiN (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=225)
Kalam (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;u=563)
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Sorry, but I've played hundreds or thousands of games and, shockingly, I'm not able to remember every single one of them. In fact, I don't even remember having a character named Mas_Oyama... Anyway, you're just nitpicking. The fact remains that I'm a serious player that follows the rules. I'm pretty skilled, and would probably beat most of you admins in a fair 1v1 duel. My presence is enriching, and I've only faced such persecution because of my 'rudeness' towards admins.
How do you play thousands of games and not know the no-leeching rule? If you were totally new to the game and community I can understand, but thousands of games make you veteran already! If you are also a "serious player that follows the rules", why break the no-leeching rule? I am also sure Tears would love to duel you as well, please purchase a bow and some arrows.
Mas_Oyama was a STF samurai that I made a few months ago... I was banned for something that I literally could not help, even after doing my best to comply with the admin's demands. Yet another instance of admins in cRPG being unreasonable and enforcing the rules in an overly strict manner.
I am glad you are able to remember your own character's names now. Yes you could've helped yourself by leaving the server, buying the sword, then come back with it. Admins are unpaid people who have to withstand insults, accusations, and flowery curses often time leaving their enjoyable game experience just to make sure other people can enjoy their's. A little cooperation on your part in the future would save you, the admins, and this whole community's time.
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^this
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How do you play thousands of games and not know the no-leeching rule? If you were totally new to the game and community I can understand, but thousands of games make you veteran already! If you are also a "serious player that follows the rules", why break the no-leeching rule? I am also sure Tears would love to duel you as well, please purchase a bow and some arrows.
I am glad you are able to remember your own character's names now. Yes you could've helped yourself by leaving the server, buying the sword, then come back with it. Admins are unpaid people who have to withstand insults, accusations, and flowery curses often time leaving their enjoyable game experience just to make sure other people can enjoy their's. A little cooperation on your part in the future would save you, the admins, and this whole community's time.
Of course I know that there's a rule against leeching. In fact, I've read the rules very carefully several times, so that I could try to avoid breaking them. I learned very early on how unreasonably strict the cRPG admins are with their enforcement.
I said before that from the three on my record I can remember two specific instances where I was wrongfully banned for leeching. The operative word being wrongfully, as in undeserved and unwarranted. Even if the third was legitimate (doubtful, considering the others), it's ONE offense. This, out of hundreds of hours of play. In both cases I was at my computer, had been 'leeching' for only a very short time - under 5 minutes - and would have resumed normal play in a matter of seconds. It was entirely unintentional, and even if I technically wasn't contributing to the team for those few seconds, that hardly justifies a ban.
As for the admins: they volunteer to do the job, presumably with the understanding of what it entails. This would be admirable, if not for the fact that they're almost universally bad administrators. Oh yeah, badmins abound in cRPG. Overly strict enforcement of the rules is a BAD thing, and is only supported by people too stupid and hateful to understand the concept of circumstance.
I'd elaborate further, but criticizing admins and explaining the dangers of their heavy-handed methods was the cause of this ban in the first place, and I wouldn't want to hurt their feelings any more than I already have.
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You do realize you completely missed the topic you were supposed to write about, right?
Has something to do with basic respect and all.
1000 word Unban essay: Why rules and respecting your fellow players is important.
This part:
In my opinion, cRPG would do just fine without any admins at all.
was hilarious though.
I will see if we can get a weekend where no admin does anything and polls are enabled :mrgreen:
It's nothing new that people instantly jump on admins who use their powers in any way and start insulting them or accusing them of power tripping.
If you have complains about admins, use the feedback forum.
In any case you are clearly sitting at the shorter end of the lever so trying to push it even further is just not the smart move.
Dealing with everyone who does that would completely consume the admins' time on the server and would hinder them in doing their job.
If you feel like the rules suck or the enforcement of them is too harsh you can feel free to write that up in the suggestions forum.
Put a poll so we can check how many people actually think that way and how many of those got banned once or more :mrgreen:
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You do realize you completely missed the topic you were supposed to write about, right?
Has something to do with basic respect and all.
It's nothing new that people instantly jump on admins who use their powers in any way and start insulting them or accusing them of power tripping.
If you have complains about admins, use the feedback forum.
In any case you are clearly sitting at the shorter end of the lever so trying to push it even further is just not the smart move.
Dealing with everyone who does that would completely consume the admins' time on the server and would hinder them in doing their job.
If you feel like the rules suck or the enforcement of them is too harsh you can feel free to write that up in the suggestions forum.
Put a poll so we can check how many people actually think that way and how many of those got banned once or more :mrgreen:
Have you ever considered that so many people accuse the admins of power tripping because they ARE power tripping, and they deserve those insults?
In any case, I'm talking about MY case. I was banned for complaining about admins, not for breaking the rules. That's why admins are mentioned in this thread - it's topical.
If everyone is so determined that civilly disagreeing with an authority figure is morally abhorrent and worthy of a ban, that's their own personal shortcoming(s). This ban is completely excessive. So much so that I have trouble believing that ANYONE would support it. If you want me to write ANOTHER 1000-word essay pandering to Tears and the other misguided idiots that support him, I will. It'll be the nicest, most respectful goddamn essay you've ever read. But I won't mean a word of it, nor should I.
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I gave a sigh in real life.
Here is how it is playing out then...
cRPG player base is not shrinking, I'm not concerned. chadz disproves this on a regular basis the myth that the player base is shrinking (Mod is once again alive and kicking!). Anyone babbling about player base shrinking, due to badmins no less, is a blithering fool that surpasses even me in ignorance about cRPG.
Going through logs, Admin Text (bright pink text) was logged 3 times in Warnings, so I am not accepting any excuse whatsoever of "you did not warn" as you said earlier in your posts. Considering how often you were posting in chat shit talking, I find it remarkable that you missed All Three Direct Warning To You. If you did, to be perfectly blunt it is not my problem, as I literally can not force anyone to read the bright pink text.
You mentioned in your ban request for Canary that you did not care if your ban was ever lifted and if you stayed banned forever, I am keeping this in mind during my future points.
The poll shows more negative votes then positive votes for your essay, so even if this was a legit' essay your peers, the community, is saying No to your unban.
You are saying that if you write another essay it will not be genuine. You are not "learning any lesson nor demonstrating regret" for you do not believe that you did anything wrong.
Your essay has absolutely nothing to do with what I gave you.
I am, like it or not, the judge, jury and executioner in this scenario. (as you failed to provide the proper essay, besides the normal jury is voting no anyways as the majority vote even if your essay was valid) You can fight me, and you will fail, without question. You can work with me, and you may succeed. There are literally no other options. If you wish to have a "fair trial" then you must adhere to what was given to you. You did not write a 1000 word essay, you wrote a rant. This is akin to showing up to court and instead of explaining what happened you yell at how the system is shit. Well good job, that makes you go to jail (contempt of court for one thing, and secondly you are refusing to "process" properly.
I was not really asking you to apologize and bend over backwards for me while buttering me up, I wanted you to write me an essay on why respecting your fellow players is important. The fact that you are saying that if you were to write such a thing it would be disgenuine makes me think you don't respect your fellow players.
Either you have a severe attitude problem that I don't like and are being overly agressive(And to be blunt, my opinion matters in this scenario), or you have a problem with reading comprehension and are completely failing to understand what I mean and want you to do, and are thinking something else (in that case I can't help you.)
Even in the real world, diplomacy is a must. It does not matter if you like it, you will fail more often then not without it. If I were to scream at you wanting something, I doubt I would get it. It works both ways.
Come back in a month, or later, if you change your mind, and post an actual unban essay. As of right now, I don't want you in this community in your current state of mind.
So, in short, since you are failing to hit any desired bases so to speak...
Unban Essay Rejected
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The essay is funny but completely lacking in remorse or genuine understanding of why the rules you broke are in place.
Voted 1.
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You should read up on the Constitution if you think it anywhere allows for doing and saying whatever the fuck you like on private property. You have no rights here beyond what your host grants you. This isn't public property. Try going into a restaurant and launching into a tirade even half as offensive as what you see on most corners of the net, and see how far screaming "FREE SPEECH GAAAHHH" gets you. I guess you're more into the socialist interpretation of the Constitution, you disgusting commie bitch. Or in the grand tradition of people using terms and symbols they barely even understand, just using it's mythical allure to cloak your retarded argument in a seeming of legitimacy.
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He didn't act like a cheater or blatant repeat team-killer. I say unban.
While his essay is non-compliant and misses the mark, none of his crimes--singly or collectively--are worthy of a ban.
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Considering Tears is removed as admin, this deserves another look at, no?
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Considering Tears is removed resigned as admin, this deserves another look at, no?
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Looking at his record, he only commited two offences that directly affected another player's playing experience.
One teamwounding, and one teamkilling. Everything else has not directly hurt another player.
Although something like chat abuse is against the rules, it does not teamwound, or teamkill. It does not take away from another player's c-rpg experience in a way that removes their ability to play the game. In fact, gathering from this thread, the "chat abuse" did not involve any spamming or intentionally annoying behaviour, but a conversation of sorts about censorship, which I'm willing to bet was actually quite entertaining for any fellow players witnessing it. I know I enjoy ingame chat.
Furthermore, chat abuse can easily be prevented with a mute. Such a minor, and easily avoidable offence should NOT warrant a permaban.
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Bunch of mother fucking little hand holding bitches in these servers anyway... Most of the admins use an autoblock or have 10000000000000000 hp. It's so obvious I meen how is it that its an even playing field for almost all players and then one guys is 40 kills and 3 deaths... yeah ok bunch of bundle of sticks as little bitch admins in this game bye bye crpg I hope in the end its nothing but you bundle of sticks admins trying to kill eachother with your autoblockers and hacked chars GG.
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Bunch of mother fucking little hand holding bitches in these servers anyway... Most of the admins use an autoblock or have 10000000000000000 hp. It's so obvious I meen how is it that its an even playing field for almost all players and then one guys is 40 kills and 3 deaths... yeah ok bunch of bundle of sticks as little bitch admins in this game bye bye crpg I hope in the end its nothing but you bundle of sticks admins trying to kill eachother with your autoblockers and hacked chars GG.
I laughed. +1
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I only read this essay now, and think he did a great job with it, and I too believe deeply in the constitution, and our god-given right to free speech. I move to unban this man, to restore his faith in cRPG and the liberties we maintain within. What say the people?
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,23236.msg335821.html#msg335821
He says he does not care anymore here. I think thats why Tears gave him the essay.
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He says he doesn't care because he got permabanned for trolling in game chat and being disagreeable with Tears of Destiny. But he obviously cares a bit if he wrote this essay. Hardly seems worthy of a permaban and he seems to be a man of integrity, honest about his actions, giving no fucks when none should be had.
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well according to the first page he was banned (including this one) a total of 8 times, from 4 separate admins so it's not like he and Tears had some sort of epic feud that has haunted him during his entire playtime.
Leeching, team wounding & killing, exploiting (pike on horse) and then 'chat abuse'.
No skin off my back if he's unbanned or not, but you don't get banned that many times for accidents and misunderstandings; it's pretty clear he hasn't been a model citizen.
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Considering Tears is removed as admin, this deserves another look at, no?
No. Surprised you would even think that.I only read this essay now, and think he did a great job with it, and I too believe deeply in the constitution, and our god-given right to free speech. I move to unban this man, to restore his faith in cRPG and the liberties we maintain within. What say the people?
He did not follow the essay I gave him, and Meow backed up my decision for denying his essay.
Even the poll from "the people" clearly shows he should stay banned.
If he writes a new one that is believable, then sure.
I'm also confused on why you +1ed his post when he first posted it, if you only "just now" read it.
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nice essay
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He should be unbanned.
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tears of destiny is pretty. that is all. :-)
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I only read this essay now, and think he did a great job with it, and I too believe deeply in the constitution, and our god-given right to free speech. I move to unban this man, to restore his faith in cRPG and the liberties we maintain within. What say the people?
Aye, it was a good read and I strongly agree with what he had to say. I too vouch for his unbanning.
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Aye, it was a good read and I strongly agree with what he had to say. I too vouch for his unbanning.
He has been unbanned for quite some time now. Check the dates of the topics before necroing.
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Loooooong time ago tears isnt even an admin on official anymore so let this die again