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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #570 on: February 26, 2014, 03:07:09 pm »
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Voluntarily issued government of Finland. However, because of this, in Finland today no neo-fascists. No parades of former SS men. It's very calm, and for a long time I hope people of peace. Well there.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #571 on: February 26, 2014, 03:22:24 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #572 on: February 26, 2014, 03:36:27 pm »
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(Dave, don't like it?)

What are you trying to say? What you say was in the past and I'm speaking about the current Russian army. Do you consider Mongolia as a super threatening country these days?
Whatever you said in the previous post (I gave it a quick look, you better also post original Russian text in spoiler so it's easier for me at least to understand) described the history of other governments. Russian Empire =/= Russian Federation, USSR =/= Russian Federation, Rus =/= Russian Federation. Russian Federation starts its history from 1991 and the only more or less valuable military conflict was a Chechen War that was in my opinion a complete fail. Chechen Wars (officially divided into 2 wars) showed the world what Russian army is capable of. If Russia is so democratic - why not giving Chechnya the independence from Russia? A completely different country with completely different culture. Yet instead you chose to fight and bury thousands of lives both Chechen and Russian.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #573 on: February 26, 2014, 03:53:20 pm »
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2)Of course our army is far bigger & better equipped than Ukrainian one(although they both trained like shit). But Russia will never attack Ukraine directly if there would be possibility of UN or NATO intervention. Sure, Putin is bad guy, but not a retard to start WW3.
Whoops. Looks like I was wrong about putin  :?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #574 on: February 26, 2014, 05:02:43 pm »
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Whoops. Looks like I was wrong about putin  :?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #575 on: February 26, 2014, 05:35:42 pm »
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Whoops. Looks like I was wrong about putin  :?
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It's a defensive anti-air system, kinda outdated but still dangerous. Anyway it's not a weapon of attack, more like bluffing to escalate the provocation in the region.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #576 on: February 26, 2014, 06:50:49 pm »
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Anti-air can definitely attack, also some S-300 launcher versions are far from outdated and can strike pretty far. If anyone want to send aircraft in Crimea they best be authorized by Russia now  :P

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #577 on: February 26, 2014, 07:09:55 pm »
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This may have already been posted but I can't believe this was the motto of Berkut.

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The safety of the people is the highest law


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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #578 on: February 26, 2014, 07:41:40 pm »
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Then between Finland and the USSR there were four wars.

Not really.
In Finland's civil war the USSR supported the communists and had volunteers among them.
The events you are referring with "blablabla Finnish Troops attacked the awesome mother soviet russia union 1918 to 1922" are better known as "Heimosodat". There were 6 of these. There were only volunteers in the "Finnish Troops". The army of Finland, or even Finland itself wasn't in it (officially, and well not really even unofficially).
The actual wars between Finland and USSR were Talvisota 1939-1940 and Jatkosota 1941-1944 (Winter War, Continuation War).
Lapin sota (Lapland's war) had started because in the peace treaty (Moskovan välirauha, Moscow Armistice) it was stated that chocolate chip cookie Germany's troops had to be driven out from Finland. USSR insisted specifically that the chocolate chip cookies had to be driven out by force. There were no USSR troops involved in this "war".

From 1939 to 1940. Russia invaded Finland.


No it didn't.



Few major reasons (among the fact that Russian troops simply sucked) why Finland kicked USSR's ass in Winter War
-Stalin had killed significant amount of Russian military officers.
-Knowledge given to the armed forces about Finland, both its army(+people) and terrain(=no proper winter clothing) was, well bullshit. General view for the Russian troops was that they were going to "liberate" Finland's people from it's evil fascist government.
I could keep going with this, but tbh I don't think you'd believe. You probably even claim that Finland's troops fired the "Mainilan laukaukset" ("Shelling of Mainila").

However, When Stalin offered Finam end the war, they quickly agreed. And ceded to the Soviet Union strategically important areas. Helsinki gave up to Moscow Karelian isthmus with the city of Viipuri, North-Eastern shore of lake Ladoga, the port of Hanko and Rybachiy Peninsula. Much more than the demanded Moscow before the war.


Significant part of Finland's people were against the truce as Finland's army had put up so well against USSR's. The truce was accepted not only because of the fact that no matter how badly USSR's military sucked, they had shit load of it (Moscow's population = Finland's population (in 1939), nowadays Moscow's population = twice Finland's population) but also because chocolate chip cookie Germany hinted to accept it.
And well surprise surprise 25th of June 1941 just 3 days after chocolate chip cookie Germany's attack (Operation Barbarossa) on USSR Finland declared war on USSR.


I get the view from your text that we shouldn't have engaged in Winter War, but rather give the territories USSR demanded.
We never ever should've (as we didn't) accept those demands. Why? Well eventually USSR would've demanded the whole country. You don't believe? Well the Winter War was started by USSR and their goal was to invade Finland. Ok maybe not officially invade, but to form a communist government which, surprise surprise would've done everything what Moscow had told it to do.
Finland was never part of USSR, not even once during it's existence. Not many neighboring countries can say that (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus and so on). Significant amount of the population in those countries can speak nowadays Russia and are (more or less) under the influence of Russia. In Finland, well nearly no one can speak Russian, unless in one's family they speak Russian or one has studied Russian.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #579 on: February 26, 2014, 07:58:57 pm »
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Afaik the reason for Finland's troops being so successful had a lot to do with their tactics being used. Including a way better knowledge about terrain and weather conditions. I believe they used a lot of surprise and guerilla tactics to even out the huge difference in manpower, especially in areas with deep snow and/or terrain with dense woods.

Those tactics even have their own name, don't they? I don't recall it but I think there was a special name for it.


Anyway, back to topic: Ukraine.

I've read in the news that Russia is practising high alert mobilization stuff right now. Well, they call it a practice but pretty much everyone looks at it like a sign of "seriouz buzzness", especially considering the moment they choose to do it.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #580 on: February 26, 2014, 08:07:43 pm »
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It would be interesting if this panned out like Syria.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #581 on: February 26, 2014, 08:18:50 pm »
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Molly, "Motti -taktiikka".
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #582 on: February 26, 2014, 08:47:22 pm »
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It would be interesting if this panned out like Syria.
But there are no jihadis to be supported by western countries :rolleyes:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #583 on: February 26, 2014, 08:50:48 pm »
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But there are no jihadis to be supported by western countries :rolleyes:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #584 on: February 27, 2014, 01:09:34 am »
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Xant, Here is the history of your country. A lot of instructive.
Fought long fought Russia and Sweden . In 1323 is Schliesselburg peace Treaty, which stipulates that the Western and southern part of Finland, departs the control of Sweden and East Finland - Russia. Later to the 18th century Sweden loses in the war with Russia. In 1809 the whole territory of today's Finland is under the control of Russia. The people of Finland within the Russian Empire. They first receives the status of autonomy. A new state - the Grand Duchy of Finland. The country now has its own government - the Senate. Finland had its own currency, and formed a separate Finnish troops!
After the revolution in Russia there is a dissolution of the Russian Empire. In December 1917, Finland declared independence. Then between Finland and the USSR there were four wars. Twice attacked the troops Finland Russia between 1918 to 1922. Were busy Pe4enga region (Petsamo) and part peninsulas Average and Rybachiy. This Victory Finland.
From 1939 to 1940. Russia invaded Finland. The red Army wanted to keep in the period from two weeks to a month. The Finnish command, hoped that the army will be able to independently keep the opponent at least six months. Both plans have collapsed. The Soviet Union had underestimated the strength of Finland, Finland has made too big bet on the assistance of foreign powers, and on the reliability of their fortifications.
Goebbels and A.Gitler then, wrote: "the Russian army is little purpose. Poorly is guided by and, even worse, armed..." "...the catastrophic state of the Russian army. She ain't hardly able to fights... It is possible that the average level of intelligence of the Russian does not allow them to produce modern weapons." "In Finland, the Russians are not promoted. It seems that in fact the Red army is little purpose". «More of Russians still can't get... For us it was very good». "Moscow is very weak militarily..." (Dave, don't like it?)
However, When Stalin offered Finam end the war, they quickly agreed. And ceded to the Soviet Union strategically important areas. Helsinki gave up to Moscow Karelian isthmus with the city of Viipuri, North-Eastern shore of lake Ladoga, the port of Hanko and Rybachiy Peninsula. Much more than the demanded Moscow before the war. Commander in chief of the Finnish army of Marshal Mannerheim then said: "the Russian soldiers are learning fast, all quick to grasp operate without delay, easy to follow a discipline, differ courage and sacrifice and ready to fight to the last round, despite the hopelessness of the situation."
In 1941, in Alliance with Germany, the Finnish troops attack the Soviet Union. Including in 1941-1944 ensure the blockade of Leningrad from the North. Finnish President ryti then said: «...Leningrad must eliminate ...»
Finland surrendered in September 1944. German troops, in large forces stationed in the North of Finland, have not wished to leave the country. And Finnish army already in conjunction with the red Army led against them fighting (Lapland war).
US congressmen said at the time:«Despite significant losses inflicted by the war, Finland was able to maintain its independence. However, whether the USSR vitally interested in it, there is no doubt that the Finnish independence, would be destroyed. Finland withdrew from the war with the understanding of this fact and spirit to create the new and constructive relationship with the Soviet Union». The territory of Finland is now less than before 1941., however, the independence of Finns still left.
Yes, I'm sure that's the way they teach it in Russia. Sadly, it's not true.
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