Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Vovka]

To start a territorial war, you need to believe it is winnable. A nuclear war between superpowers is not winnable. A new term to replace phyrric victory would have to show up if someone "won" such a war.

Nukes are only a guarantee of a nuclear exchange not happening, the rest is basically a bluff.

In my opinion, this is why Russia does not like the deployment of a missile defense system near its borders. Once some American general with half a brain thinks that NATO is able to knock down enough Russian missiles, and this fact alone, without the war itself sufficient to dictate their terms

[Tibe]

"Half a brain American general" deciding if or when to shoot nukes. And im full of shit? Please, even im not that biased.

Vuvka pls...

[Xant]

Well, Vovka's point is actually pretty legit.

Once one side is convinced that their defensive technology is good enough, they might be willing to risk it -- even if they're not sure. Which is why better defensive stuff can actually lead to a nuclear war.

[Tibe]

Its logical, but its just a discussionpoint because we have nothing better to discuss, so we are just throwing that idea into the ring aswell. Im not saying it a bad point. No you are correct. But if you think about it, pretty much everything can lead to a nuclear war. Im pretty sure if one side is convinced that their assault technology and tactics are state of the art they will probably be willing to risk it too.Better assault stuff can lead to nuclear war aswell. So basically the 2 things lead to same results. One abit more, one a little less. Which kinda makes this point...well lacking.  Everything is relative. Its just that whats more likely based on facts.

Its unlikely that someone predicts their defence so good that they are willing to risk it on attack. Cause todays militaryequipment thats not even nuclear is extremely devastating and requires very good planning to counter. This isnt african tribal AK47 wars we are discussing here.

[Thomek]

Again, a missile shield is totally uncredible as a deterrent agains RF.

The RF is not protesting on military reasons, just politics because the opportunity was offered. I don't blame the protests, it is legitimate from political pov, but without any real military justification.

You would probably need at least 2 missiles per ICBM to be sure to catch them all, and you'd need missile launchers in more places than just Poland. And you would need hundreds on hundreds. Besides, the anti missile shield would probably be taken out first with short range missiles. A missile shield in Europe does nothing to stop SLBM's to fire from the ocean with 15 min? reaction time etc etc..

Hypothetically, an ABM shield is possible, but it would require VAST amounts of resources. Probably much more resources than the ICBM's would cost in the first place. It's just physics. It's nigh on impossible to intercept ICBM's because their speed is already bordering on whats physically possible.

[Tibe]

Thats not how Red Alert showed it.

[Christo]

Yuri with his mind control doesn't count 

[DonNicko]

Germans about Kosovo, german propoganda

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[Mala]

Germans about Kosovo, german propoganda

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[AntiBlitz]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/missile/etc/cron.html

[Christo]

what the hell

[AntiBlitz]

does anyone else see the forum at the bottom all jacked up? or is it just me?  have we killed the forum? mod dead?

[Moncho]

Yeah it starts with Mala's post, possibly some broken bracket in his message

[DonNicko]

I thought we will reach 1000 pages, but this topic is broken now.
BTW as I know after bombardment by integrated uranium in Serbia, children blood cancer disease increased 18 times, also after using agent orange in Vietnam a huge damage was made to children and soil. So this people were asking for compensation
And USA and сourt in the Hague said

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[Paul]

US didn't ratify Den Haag anyway - just like Russia or Iran.