Meanwhile in Ukraine

[DonNicko]

Yea, Nicko. But UN or NATO peacekeepers are not in Ukraine. Nicko, the only people in Ukraine soil with guns, who are not ukrainians are russians. Why are they in Ukraine?

Also say NATO. UN peacekeepers are some bluehelmet pussies who dont do shit. NATO peacekeepers are actual soldiers. UN peacekeepers only mainly give food and shit.

Maybe Nato peacekeepers nothing will change. They will be atacked by snipers or shelled. That's why I remind that there is no investigation about Maidan snipers or Odessa massacre even worse proofs are hided by new government, so I can easily imagine that this peacekeepers will be atacked and USA will condemn Russia, russian politics are not that dumb and they can expect this.
About russian soldiers, even german general said that if there were regular russian troops, then it will be the same as in Georgia. Russian volunteers yes, I think about 10000 people. But there are voluteers on the Ukraine side from other countries too.

[Tovi]

Same as your media. Just because it is against Minsk-2, every side must have their own militia. What I think, that if UN peacekeepers will be in Ukraine then they will be atacked by smbd unknown, but EU and USA will say that Putin and Russia is guilty for this atack, UN will declare that DNR and LNR are terrorist organizations and now USA and EU have rights to sell weapon to Ukraine and bomb separatists by the air. USA will lobby new sanctions against Russia, EU will agree. And then maybe new world war. Maybe because of that Russia against UN peacekeepers in Ukraine, well I don't know, it is just my opinion
And I'm proud of my country, not about the government

Militia means volunteers... the only volunteers in the west side are the neo-nazees of batalion Azov.

Also, the US sells weapons to Ukraine since the begining. Or they give their outdated weapons for free (especially the german army).

[Christo]

Militia means volunteers... the only volunteers in the west side are the neo-nazees of batalion Azov.

again, Tovi is wrong.

What a fucking surprise.

[Tibe]

Its way way way way way too onesided claims like this that make me believe that either Tovi has a fucking braintumor or is the most successful troll in these forums.

[Beauchamp]

Militia means volunteers... the only volunteers in the west side are the neo-nazees of batalion Azov.

Also, the US sells weapons to Ukraine since the begining. Or they give their outdated weapons for free (especially the german army).

unluckily not except a few of shit equipment. what they should give to ukraine (britain or usa) were nukes, in the end ua gave up their nukes for territorial integrity treaty that fucktards from russia blatantly violated.

[Tovi]

again, Tovi is wrong.

What a fucking surprise.

If you're paid you are not a "volunteer".

Ukraine is close to collapsing, maybe 4 months left, maybe 4 weeks...
Gas price are rising, hryvnia is historicaly low.
According to german secret service, Ukr. army is no more and unable to launch any more offensive. Troops deserts and lake of training.
During the next days, rebels will launch a counter-attack on Mariupol. If Mariupol falls, far right militias will drive another Maidan at Kiev.

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/17/3595

[Christo]

If you're paid you are not a "volunteer".

If you're retarded, you are Tovi.

Oh, I forgot, you are a 90's generation, because you were 20 years old in the 1990's 

 You know the meaning of words so well

[Thomek]

I can to a certain extent understand why nicko is rooting for the russians. He is russian.

I would probably also be jaded by nationalism if my country was in a conflict. What I dont get is the insane theories and outlandish explanations that defies any common sense.


MH17==Probably Shot down by Ukraine, to frame russia. The OBVIOUS circumstances can be neglected.

50 people killed on maidan in front of Hotel Ukraine chasing retreating police. == Shot by CIA or their own.

Odessa== Deliberate Massacre. (Even though rebels tried to rescue them..)

Crimea== Democratic seccession (!)

"Rebellion" led by FSB officers == People's Revolt

I'm all for supporting Russia if that's what you think is best for Russia. Just Don't please repeat these crazy lies anymore. You sound like Russia Today.

[Tovi]

Can we repeat what ukrainians says so ?

I think I understand what west ukrainians means by "we are attacked by Russia/Russians". If they consider Novorossia as Russia and russian people, it sounds logical.




@ Christo : in France, we talk about "Génération 68", for exemple, that means : "people who had 18 in 1968 (and tried to start a revolution, in that case )". We also talk about "Génération Mitterand" wich was a political slogan about people who had 18 in 1981 and voted socialist. I suppose it's different in your country, but that's not a reason to call you "retarded". You're just ignorant of other cultures.

[Christo]

No, you are the ignorant one who doesn't know how things work outside of his baguetteland.

You were the one who called himself a 90's kid, not me.

[DaveUKR]

Militia means volunteers... the only volunteers in the west side are the neo-nazees of batalion Azov.

Also, the US sells weapons to Ukraine since the begining. Or they give their outdated weapons for free (especially the german army).

Tovi, I seriously feel sorry for your children, I wish you live apart because I would never wish anyone such an idiot father. Completely fucked up brain, you cheerfully accept deaths and spread bullshit. Can you show me at least any real photoes of Ukrainian military using any german weaponry or at least american in the area of ATO?

I'm aware of Azov regiment being nationalistic if not nаzi, everyone is. Though what nаzi idea do they follow? Anti-Russian? There are plenty of Russians there and they use Russian language widely. Anti-Semitic? A lot of people in our government have Jewish blood (including both prime minister and president). Xenophobic? Azov is multinational, AFAIK including mostly russians, polaks, swedes, croatians and so on, though the vast majority are ethnic ukrs. Even if you say so, they're only a regiment (less than a thousand of people), it's a drop in an ocean.

If you want to open this pandora box. I'll just post this once again. Pavel Gubarev - the so called people's governor of Donetsk, member of a known fascist organization (a lot of photos leaked, no need to check them for fakes, just too many and I think that he never refused).

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If you listen to what they say, who are they? Some of them are so stupid in their speech that they say that Ukraine is not a country, there are no Ukrainians and Ukrainian language is just a polish parody on Russian. Isn't it nаzism?

Today anniversary from the date of the Maidan. Whether interestingly the truth it that those trees in which were got bullets were cut, the bullets which were withdrawn from bodies were disappeared that anybody still doesn't know what rifle was used to shoot people on maidan. And in general all is forgotten and try to hold back. So at least that what is spoken about in the Russian mass media, maybe this is simply propoganda? Or Kiev tries to hide smth?

Just tell me. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you a psycho or what? Why do you keep repeating stuff over and over again. You and Tovi have a lot of common. There is a fucking war in a country, a lot of people die because of it EVERY DAY. While you were shitting your post someone got shelled and injured or even died. While the country struggles for its existence it's not the matter of importance to use resources on that. And if you don't know something or don't want to research it doesn't mean that nobody knows.

[Knute]

Hey Tovi, what's the latest death toll for this conflict at?

I saw a news story the other day about a child dying after a rocket hit a kindergarten. He was probably about 5 years old. You have kids too right?

[DonNicko]

Just tell me. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you a psycho or what? Why do you keep repeating stuff over and over again. You and Tovi have a lot of common. There is a fucking war in a country, a lot of people die because of it EVERY DAY. While you were shitting your post someone got shelled and injured or even died. While the country struggles for its existence it's not the matter of importance to use resources on that. And if you don't know something or don't want to research it doesn't mean that nobody knows.

Yes, there is a war, but difference is that your government is still thinking that they fight with Russia and not against their own people. I can say that there are a lot of russians, but ukranians are more. Why I keep repeating, because this actions on Maidan are the beginning of the war. And government tries to hide proofs about it. A lot of civilians died after shelling Donetsk and Luhansk by ukranian army. Am I wrong? No. When Chechnya wanted to separate and Stupid Eltsin send there russian troops, he was blamed for that, and now he is the most hated president in Russia. Your Government sent young people to die to Donbass, they are not trained and didn't want to kill brothers. More then half people in Donbass are so relatively close to Russia, and trying to separate them from Russia was so stupid from Government, yes your Government said that this will not happen then, but first steps were toward totall separation from Russia. Really I think that you just a patriot of your country and you don't want to think bad about your government, as many people in my country. And thinking bad about my country is also against my nature, because of that I ask to proove some statements. Dave you just try defend your country, I try to defend mine. You can call me Psycho, same as I. You don't want to think about snipers on Maidan and Odessa, I don't want to think about sending weapons to Ukraine by Russia. You don't want to think about dead civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk who were killed by ukranian army. And so on. Daughter of Kuchma has the most expensive house in the world, which costs 1,58 billions of dollars. New oligarchs just took power in your country, nothing changed, There is no people's deputy in Power. Even now you take people from other nations to rule you, OMG you took Saakashvili. Your country was plundered since 90s.

[Xant]

If you're paid you are not a "volunteer".

Ukraine is close to collapsing, maybe 4 months left, maybe 4 weeks...
Gas price are rising, hryvnia is historicaly low.
According to german secret service, Ukr. army is no more and unable to launch any more offensive. Troops deserts and lake of training.
During the next days, rebels will launch a counter-attack on Mariupol. If Mariupol falls, far right militias will drive another Maidan at Kiev.

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/17/3595

German secret service, source: russia-insider.

Tovi keeps on deliverin'.

[DaveUKR]

Yes, there is a war, but difference is that your government is still thinking that they fight with Russia and not against their own people.

Here we go again.

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There is no doubt for anyone in this world who has at least 2 neurons in their brain which can connect Russia and that war. This is a Ukraine versus Russia fight, not Ukraine versus Donetsk or Ukraine versus Ukraine. They're commanded by Russians, supported by Russians, a lot of them are Russian citizens and so on. Of course there are a lot of people from Donetsk fighting there (especially in the beginning when approximately 80% of rebels were locals, only commanders were Russians) and they were/are as dumb as you thinking that they're fighting nаzis, but now I doubt that it's even a half. You have fucking internet, those apes film thousands of videos on their mobile phones, just look who's fighting there. Ivani4 ver. 2.0.

I'm not defending my government and as I've said, I didn't support the whole idea of Maidan. Though saying that Maidan started the war is like saying that someone got raped because she was a woman. Do you remember the time span between Turchinov taking seat and Russian troops in Crimea? What could they do during that couple of days if not 1 (I don't even remember how many days were between it). And what did they actually do to separate Donetsk people from Russia? It's Russia who instantly started a propaganda machine, claiming that everyone there is an anti-Russian nаzi and the government was caught by rebels (though the parliament stayed like it was for half a year after Maidan and not a single right-party got inside of a Parliament even that which was there before during Yanukovych, gg Russia).

There is no sense to "defend" my country in this thread, because my country is a victim. And this is what you do because even beside all the bullshit you spread you clearly understand what stands behind it and you are trying to justify crimes of your Motherland. But you forget to realize that those westerners of Ukraine are a huge minority in the army because the highly populated regions are in the center and the east of Ukraine. So basically DNR/LNR are fighting their neighbours, young fellows who mostly speak Russian and were mobilized to defend their country. And besides that a lot of civilians die because DNR/LNR fight like real terrorists. Do you remember what Strelkov said? If they didn't hide behind civilians - they would lose the war during a week. That obvious thing (military-wise) explains their intentions more than a lot.