it is signed.
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He's welcome to donate the money from selling his looms to pay for server costs. Will definitely consider his freedom then.
"hey guys i openly did this thing that dozens of people have been permabanned for!!! It was so awesome!!!"
"OH WHAT THE FUCK WHY AM I PERMABANNED FOR BRAGGING ABOUT BREAKING THE RULES!!!!! WTF!!! CRPG ADMINS ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!!"
i heard here in texas that there was a drunk driver that hit another vehicle and killed a guys only 2 sons
the guy killed the drunk driver in a fit of grief driven rage and he was never prosecuted
i heard here in texas that there was a drunk driver that hit another vehicle and killed a guys only 2 sonsMurricans...
the guy killed the drunk driver in a fit of grief driven rage and he was never prosecuted
in germany you dont get punished for the first few punches, but killing - guess that only goes thru in texas o0
>punches
he got out of the truck and shot the guy
why Zott is banned?
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.inb4 permaban
#Neverforget
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.
#Neverforget
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.
#Neverforget
http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570 (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570)
replace yourself as "community manager" with someone likeable that half the community doesn't think is a fucking retard and maybe you can revive the mod.
acts in his own best rather then cRPGs.
Did I miss anything?
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ya u forgot the word "interest"
checkmate retard
replace him with me im universally liked and am the most intelligent person in cprg
#voteladoeadeoaeoaeo
#ladeoadforcommunitymanager
Definitely the spergiestwhat the FUCK gravoth you traitor i thought we were friends wheres my +1 huh?! HUH?!"?!1
what the FUCK gravoth you traitor i thought we were friends wheres my +1 huh?! HUH?!"?!1
Nobody wants you in gentlemen's club you absolute fucking leechlisten here u FUCKING WORM i will crush ur skull into the floor if u ever talk to me that way again do u UNDERSTAND ME KRATOS YOU FUCKING BITCH F A G G O T
discriminitive and vulgar language help pls
please provide a description of the man who was using this VILE language, i'll fucking deport the fucker, rest assured kratos i will FIND THE CULPRIT
smth like this;roger sir we'll send out the(click to show/hide)
He also made everyone around him believe that he is a Brit
Definitely the spergiest
aspergiest*
Maybe because it's not sarcasm and there's clear evidence that he had 35 transactions during a span of 7 days where he traded away his 35 looms for 1 gold each to 2 different accounts? A 10 minute check in the marketplace tab confirmed it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?
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Thanks for using the zhe pronoun leshma, very including of you my friend
Also before I was made aware of the rule by dupre.
He said he sold looms for irl money, and marketplace data confirms that there was the exact amount of transactions for 1 gold in his history, what assumptions are you talking about? He literally admitted to something that only be himself brought our attention to.
Come on, grow some thick skin, man up and live with consequences of your actions. Isn't that what krems would preach?
He said he sold looms for irl money, and marketplace data confirms that there was the exact amount of transactions for 1 gold in his history, what assumptions are you talking about? He literally admitted to something that only be himself brought our attention to.
Come on, grow some thick skin, man up and live with consequences of your actions. Isn't that what krems would preach?
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))
I've only explained the exact source of the ban (because some called it baseless) , I didn't try to justify the ban itself aside from pointing out that some of your outrage is weird, not all but as always, you're on the spectrum. I've had no hand in zottl's ban, and I can understand where both of the sides are coming from. Keep in mind however that, effectively, zottl is not banned from the game, merely the forum. Again, a confusing choice but it appears much less harmful than if he was to be banned from the game.
Yes, Zottl is only banned from the forum and not the game which makes no sense at all. Can't really blame James for that though, he couldn't give two shits about it really except to quickly get a reason to get him quiet. Explain to me why Zottl is banned from the forum and how it makes sense. Does the rules state that you only get banned from the forums for selling looms? You know why he got banned, and it's a shame you're defending this decision simply because James and you are in the same boat. It's as easy as admitting you (James) made a mistake and unban him. Then we can move on.
This is actually more harmful then if he was simply banned ingame. It makes you all look incompetent, I believe it's very important that the community have faith in the devs.
I've not made sense of anything yet, which is what I said - it's a process, Tybalt. I don't think calling my replies pathetic is exactly helping the exchange, but I guess that's just frustration.
Personally, I think that we could've avoided this entire shitshow if we would've had some rule in regards to limitation of the period of punishability for breaking rules - it's a bit dumb to chase after things that happened 2 years ago or so.
I agree, great input. Implement it a week ago.
Shanxi, meanwhile what you quoted could very well be someone else using James' avatar and steam name to forge evidence, yet I'm not doubting you . I wouldn't lie to you regarding there being data in the logs, if there wasn't any I'd be on the forefront to unban zottl, even if he's a krems. I've refrained from posting it by advice of other devs.
What? James and Zottl has both admitted (by your own logic) to have dealt with looms with outside goods. He doesn't even deny it yet you do?Quote from: JamesThis was when havelle asked me for money for wine and I offered to give it to him for free. Also before I was made aware of the rule by dupre.
I really can't differ from the two situations, what makes one bannable while the other one doesn't? Apart from James being in the dev team of course.
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Shanxi, meanwhile what you quoted could very well be someone else using James' avatar and steam name to forge evidence, yet I'm not doubting you . I wouldn't lie to you regarding there being data in the logs, if there wasn't any I'd be on the forefront to unban zottl, even if he's a krems. I've refrained from posting it by advice of other devs.
This was when havelle asked me for money for wine and I offered to give it to him for free. Also before I was made aware of the rule by dupre.
Why have you been deleting posts btw? Genuine question.
I hope you can undo this, restore some of your credibility and the devs and the community can move forward to make a real revival of cRPG.
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Why is he banned from the forum - apparently James assumed it also translated into a ban in-game. To be fair, we've never used that option before lol
About the limitations on pushability - I guess we'll add it officialy in some time soon, about time on this one.
Yes, I can imagine it's hard to know what you're doing when you go on an autistic ban spree.
About that quote from steam - I am trying to reach some english manual for warband with the EULA to finally see how it actually looks like in the fine print, because if we're gonna be pedantic, there is a distinction between punishability of "sale" and "buying", and so far I cannot find any direct source to this rule, aside from M&B Napoleonic Wars manual, though I would not be surprised if it was similiar if not exact same EULA for Warband. Assuming that would be the case, as a Licensee (you don't own your copy), you could not in any way profit from something you do not own, including selling parts of it, which would fall under the definition of Software Product (modified items, software - a loom would be, I guess, an amount of data manifested as an item in-game, which still falls under modified files category). However, this is slowly going into some autistic territory and a waste of time for all of us. I'll just contact James either today or tomorrow and figure out where to go with this entire shebang.
The rule clearly statesQuoteUsing goods outside cRPG* (real money, real items, stuff in other games, ...) as trading currency for goods in cRPG is not allowed and might lead to the suspension of your account.as *TRADING* currency,
that obviously includes both buying and selling. That's a cRPG made rule. Yes, the EULA does not allow for things to be sold under the license, it doesn't overrule further rules made however. It says nothing about teamkilling in the EULA, are those cRPG rules suddenly made obsolete?
Just for the record, Havelle is staying banned because of his in-game fuckery in months past (literal ban-avoiding that we had issues controlling, very nasty behaviour, his forum permaban should've happened much much earlier, and was simply overlooked)
I deleted your 2 posts for my personal amusement, kinda like how I changed your chocolate chip cookie documentary links to link to some feminist documentaries. Also to hear about your spergouts in krems group chat :lol:
This is what we're dealing with folks. It comes as no surprise that James would do the things he have done when another 3rd of the dev team deletes posts for his own "personal amusement". My "spergouts" in the krems chat include "I believe Uther is deleting posts"
and calling your behavior retarded. Get a grip, holy shit.
I also deleted either one of Oberyn's goodbye posts, just to see him sperg out one last time in Discord, said short spergout which I then also deleted.
Yeah, that's some funny shenanigans dude, do you realise that you're, knowingly or not, pushing people away from cRPG?
The first response to the big patch was essentialy a "You fucked up." with no words of appreciation or understanding for months of agonizing begging and reminding and annoying chadz & others to finally gain the rights and access to cRPG so we could finally try and fix it. I don't think it's much to ask for some "heh nice job tbh" instead of what Professor recieved for his patch. There's absolutely nothing more demotivating than working a thankless task, and this is what it essentaily turned out to be. Doesn't mean either him or James or me are gonna just drop it now, and I don't say that we require compliments or some shit, just remember the human.
I'm sorry no one is seeing you as demi-gods for taking upon you the time in your lifes to do this righteous tasks but you should have seen it coming. This community has been like this for 7 years. You'll get praise from those who approve and "hate" (mild criticism really) from those who do not.
I don't quite see why we should talk that way? :?
About that quote from steam - I am trying to reach some english manual for warband with the EULA to finally see how it actually looks like in the fine print, because if we're gonna be pedantic, there is a distinction between punishability of "sale" and "buying", and so far I cannot find any direct source to this rule, aside from M&B Napoleonic Wars manual, though I would not be surprised if it was similiar if not exact same EULA for Warband. Assuming that would be the case, as a Licensee (you don't own your copy), you could not in any way profit from something you do not own, including selling parts of it, which would fall under the definition of Software Product (modified items, software - a loom would be, I guess, an amount of data manifested as an item in-game, which still falls under modified files category). However, this is slowly going into some autistic territory and a waste of time for all of us. I'll just contact James either today or tomorrow and figure out where to go with this entire shebang.
I deleted your 2 posts for my personal amusement, kinda like how I changed your chocolate chip cookie documentary links to link to some feminist documentaries. Also to hear about your spergouts in krems group chat :lol:You are right that was a poor prank he should have moved your posts to some obscure unrelated thread that would have been funny.😀
This is what we're dealing with folks. It comes as no surprise that James would do the things he have done when another 3rd of the dev team deletes posts for his own "personal amusement". My "spergouts" in the krems chat include "I believe Uther is deleting posts"
and calling your behavior retarded. Get a grip, holy shit.
I also deleted either one of Oberyn's goodbye posts, just to see him sperg out one last time in Discord, said short spergout which I then also deleted.
Yeah, that's some funny shenanigans dude, do you realise that you're, knowingly or not, pushing people away from cRPG?
Healthiest solution is unbanning him. I know you guys are trying to stand behind your decision until the end, but it REALLY makes no sense to ban anyone for this on current period of time. Especially a forum ban, for that matter. Also Uther, you mentioned that forum ban is less harmful than an ingame ban, I disagree, I wouldn't give two shits about an ingame ban right now, but would be upset if I got banned on forums. You guys need to acknowledge that c-RPG is less than %50 of this board now. Accepting your mistakes requires more balls than standing behind your wrong decision.
Yeldur post tl:drthe deve ran
go kick some t.v. boxes
I leave for three weeks and have clearly missed nothing. I haven't read every thread but from what I've gathered zottlmarch (close enough) is forum banned for selling masterwork items for cash Yeah? Some people are defending him Yeah? Why? I talked to James about that screen grab and he said he never did anything and a message or two later told Havelle, he wasn't going through with it. So here we are. If you'd like to state your case with proof of wrong doing or innocence please PM me and I'll review everything pertaining to this issue so we can resolve it. I'm here to help but I will not rally for unbanning someone until I speak to all parties involved and here your side of things.
Lul admins permabanning people for shit they're doing themselves, and now admitting to deleting posts for the lulz
crpg best admins 2017
Why don't you read the thread(s)? It's very lazy to say you haven't read it and then ask us to repeat ourselves.
"I talked to James about that screen grab and he said he never did anything and a message or two later told Havelle, he wasn't going through with it." There we go then, he's innocent! Talk to Zottl and he'll claim the same thing. Why is it so hard for you guys to be consistent and apply the same logic to both cases?
If anyone can get ahold of zottl and have tell me his side of the story that would be great.
I've adminned for about 3 years on the PW module
it all makes sense now; that would irrevocably destroy anyone's brainyeah now u know why im incredibly fucking autistic
I enforced a rule and honestly I was too harsh.Takes a good Admin to realise when he's made a mistake, thanks for your honesty James. Hopefully we all can learn from this situation and use it carrying on into the future of C-RPG. Speshul thanks to Bronto for helping us sort this all out. Now I can go back to being an autistic retard again.
Uther will post to clear things up sooner or later. Personally I no longer believe zottl should be permabanned. That was something I did in the heat of the moment and I've come to the conclusion it was excessive.
Appreciate you all reaching out on this matter.
Why do you keep saying justice for Jona when he isn't banned?
Havelle recieved his justice, he was banned like 20 times in one day for ban avoiding months ago and we simply forgot to extend his permban to forums.
Jona is free to relay his ideas to professor on discord in real-time chat, and that's all I have to say about this.
hi
Im sure jona wouldnt even bother discussing the game with anyone on the dev team realtime or not. trying to have an intelligent debate with inept devs would prove as frustrating in any medium.Just like how it was frustrating trying to have a conversation with Jona without him being snarky or snide. (perhaps not the exact right adjectives, but something along those lines)
Just like how it was frustrating trying to have a conversation with Jona without him being snarky or snide. (perhaps not the exact right adjectives, but something along those lines)
I banned him because I didn't like what he had to say, I also hid his ban tag to avoid public outrage
I can personally promise to not remove anyone's posts anymore "for the lulz"
given how his thread died out as he was the only one pushing it.
cool thread, i voted yes for ban! 8-)
On a serious note tho, just wanted to quickly say a big thanks to all my peeps for their support, and also thanks to the admins/deve for letting the patient back into the madhouse. :wink:
He's unmuted now. I'd still advise him to either take his beef with Professor into private messages or improve his attitude.
A side note - not sure if you have noticed, but no one besides him seems to have such poor complaints, given how his thread died out as he was the only one pushing it. :wink: Constructive criticism is welcome, criticism used to hide your butthurt is gonna be made fun of. The level ranges are being changed soon anyway, so his point will be moot for even more reasons.
I only deleted your goodbye post to allow you shameless return with no need to retract your goodbye post, thank me later you cunt
So by getting yourself frustrated you go and justify permabanning someone from here? classic dev move.Love the assumption that I was the one to permaban him. Those who know me at all would tell you that I'm not one to do something like that. Additionally, I'm still willing and would be happy to have a polite discussion with Jona if he's willing to put aside his usual snarkiness.
Love the assumption that I was the one to permaban him.
Fuck you krems piece of shit.
I'm here ya know. No one will ask for unban, 100% guaranteed.
But if we ban you from here, you will go and haunt another place. Probably one with real people. This is a containment board now and you are among the containees.
Undeniable proof Krems aren't autistic as originally thought.
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Of course it had to be Merc buying looms, literally the most autistic clan in history of cRPG. Of course Fin was made a fool. Of fucking course Nessaj was foolish to begin with. Everything makes so much sense it couldn't be made up story.
Shame I'm autistic as fuck and never attempted such stunt. If I knew kid would get something out of my stupid time wasting habit, would gladly give all my looms and gold to Dan instead of that braindead Norwegian autist.
Good thing, it was Krems armory and not Peasant United. Because dealing with that Belgian with special needs (norules) wouldn't be as easy.
Been visiting two forums regularly, got banned on one so this is the only forum I actively visit. Mostly on reddit these days but I'm completely different person in there, because retarded behavior is curated on reddit and there is no need to wrestle with the pigs such as Oberyn. Good stuff goes up, stupid stuff goes invisible. Discussion forums as medium are on a decline for half a decade or more, just look at forum software how antique it looks compared to modern web. And innovated boards are working like reddit which means they serve no purpose because it is better having centralized, easily accessible database than googling bunch of different urls that lead to different boards.
Which merc bought those looms. Gimme a name. He can't get banned for it anymore anyways, so you won't be snitching. Needs to be named and shamed.
Good stuff goes up, stupid stuff goes invisible.
No, that's the best part, he sold it for a dozen or so +3s ingame. Everyone started to hate him for it so bad that he eventually quit. I would appreciate if someone that remembers could drop a name so I know what to search for, great drama.
Is this spam thread now? :?
Shut the fuck up
I alrady said it.
iirc it was not a merc as of crpg merc clan player, it was a guy coming from mercenaries mod over to cRPG
Hey Zottl you fucking autist which merc did you supposedly sell you ill-gotten looms to like a shameless my old friend? I checked with Uthyr to track him down and supposedly none of the looms you sold went to a merc. Why you lyin', you krems cunt?
:cry: Does this mean we are enemies again?
Hey Zottl you fucking autist which merc did you supposedly sell you ill-gotten looms to like a shameless my old friend? I checked with Uthyr to track him down and supposedly none of the looms you sold went to a merc. Why you lyin', you krems cunt?