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Title: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Thryn on November 18, 2017, 08:44:29 pm
he dindu nuffin
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 18, 2017, 08:58:23 pm
it is signed.

I can only approved.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 18, 2017, 09:27:02 pm
it is signed.

I can only approved.

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Molly on November 18, 2017, 09:27:57 pm
it is signed.

I can only approved.

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: njames89 on November 18, 2017, 10:59:15 pm
He's welcome to donate the money from selling his looms to pay for server costs. Will definitely consider his freedom then.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 18, 2017, 11:04:26 pm
where is your evidence he isn't just trashtalking lol?

btw i killed like 50 people back in my old gangster days in london.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: njames89 on November 18, 2017, 11:05:09 pm
He's welcome to discuss it with me through discord if he'd like
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 18, 2017, 11:05:48 pm
oh shit, theres a knock at my door.

it's the police.

damn, straight to jail.

 :(
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 18, 2017, 11:06:22 pm
retard crpg administration logic right there
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on November 18, 2017, 11:08:35 pm
"hey guys i openly did this thing that dozens of people have been permabanned for!!! It was so awesome!!!"


"OH WHAT THE FUCK WHY AM I PERMABANNED FOR BRAGGING ABOUT BREAKING THE RULES!!!!! WTF!!! CRPG ADMINS ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 18, 2017, 11:11:55 pm
He's welcome to donate the money from selling his looms to pay for server costs. Will definitely consider his freedom then.

Nice, didn't know it was possible to bribe your way out of bans now. Havelle will get that option aswell right? Every single thing you've been saying and doing the past days has been contradictory, hypocritical and outright stupid.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Molly on November 18, 2017, 11:15:33 pm
Like anyone is actually giving a shit whether he did or did not sell looms.

There simply is no reason to ban anyone for these kind of things right now. It's pointless.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 18, 2017, 11:17:11 pm
"hey guys i openly did this thing that dozens of people have been permabanned for!!! It was so awesome!!!"


"OH WHAT THE FUCK WHY AM I PERMABANNED FOR BRAGGING ABOUT BREAKING THE RULES!!!!! WTF!!! CRPG ADMINS ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!!"

Only that he isn't even banned ingame:

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Maybe read through the other thread and try with your feeble mind to understand the reason (or lack thereof) for his ban.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 18, 2017, 11:24:25 pm
I'd like to take some salt out of the conversation and just state that we really arent at a point were this ban has any benefit for the community,  it woulda been best to have ignored zottles statement,  or condone it in one post without taking action. now that the action is taken,  I understand that reverting it is somewhat hard to do.  may I propose to just change the perm ban to a months ban and we all just stop talking about it?  there is no merit in it in any way.


I used to live in Vernon,  BC with an old doctor a few years back,  and he told me following story:  once he helped giving birth to a child on a farm back in the 70ies.  afterwards he was given drink after drink in celebration.  when finally driving home - totally wasted - a police officer stopped him.  he pulled over,  and the officer made him step out of the car.  they knew each other,  and the officer told him that he cant let him drive on like that.  he then grinned,  got out to bottles of beer,  they drank it at the side of the road,  then he drove the doc home.  take home message:

james,  please think about considering a more relative approach to rules and enforcing them : )
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Thryn on November 18, 2017, 11:31:13 pm
i heard here in texas that there was a drunk driver that hit another vehicle and killed a guys only 2 sons

the guy killed the drunk driver in a fit of grief driven rage and he was never prosecuted
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 18, 2017, 11:36:28 pm
i heard here in texas that there was a drunk driver that hit another vehicle and killed a guys only 2 sons

the guy killed the drunk driver in a fit of grief driven rage and he was never prosecuted

in germany you dont get punished for the first few punches,  but killing - guess that only goes thru in texas o0
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Molly on November 18, 2017, 11:37:25 pm
i heard here in texas that there was a drunk driver that hit another vehicle and killed a guys only 2 sons

the guy killed the drunk driver in a fit of grief driven rage and he was never prosecuted
Murricans...

*facepalm*
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Thryn on November 19, 2017, 04:26:22 am
in germany you dont get punished for the first few punches,  but killing - guess that only goes thru in texas o0

>punches

he got out of the truck and shot the guy
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 19, 2017, 04:49:20 am
>punches

he got out of the truck and shot the guy

ah wait,  if it happend like that,  it might even go through in germany.  on the other hand he wouldnt have a gun in the first place here,  so it wouldnt happen anyway
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: McKli_PL on November 19, 2017, 05:13:33 am
why Zott is banned?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: the real god emperor on November 19, 2017, 08:15:28 am
why Zott is banned?

Because while making good points in an argument against the so-called "developer" and got asked "if he has any looms" to see if his arguments are valid. Because obviously, otherwise they are irrelevant! So he said he sold them, in a troll manner, that every 5 year old child could understand that it wasn't a "confession" , but our supreme overlord, the savior of cRPG, saw that as an opportunity to win an argument which he otherwise can't, and banned him in the middle of the talk. He didn't even ban him in-game. He thought he did a good job, but now everyone thinks he is more retarded.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Ikarus on November 19, 2017, 02:46:35 pm
On the one hand, openly telling that you sold 35 heirloomed items for cash without adding a smiley or any obvious hint of sarcasm isn't the smartest move
on the other hand, it happened a long time ago, it doesn't have that much of an impact on today's playerbase and the mod is currently going through some changes anyways

A warning would have been enough, at least to show that selling LP is still not allowed and rules may be loosened atm, but not abolished
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 19, 2017, 03:04:40 pm
Maybe because it's not sarcasm and there's clear evidence that he had 35 transactions during a span of 7 days where he traded away his 35 looms for 1 gold each to 2 different accounts? A 10 minute check in the marketplace tab confirmed it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Ikarus on November 19, 2017, 03:09:17 pm
okay fuck
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Casul on November 19, 2017, 03:16:19 pm
Dont bother about it guys, the Krems brothers made hundreds of euros (srs) out of a few shitty trades from looms they have even partially stolen and "lent", some mercs retards payed hordes of money for them and can now enjoy a list of purple texted item names every time they check the website while the Krems brothers enjoyed a few days flight' to the Gran Ganaria Islands with family.


Stop wasting your time on this issue, if this is the hottest topic currently this mod is doomed to stay dead for eternity and even longer.


The fucks both Krems cunts do give about cRPG currently literally broke through the ceiling, up the next room, through the roof, straight into atmosphere, into space and into a worm hole, out into darkness where the void lives and can finally be found at the place where God and H1tler play chess and a boat swimming on the amount of tears of all the haters, at the origin of the time back when god originally made the most liquid fart we know as the universe

Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 19, 2017, 05:22:09 pm
it is signed.

I can only approved.


#freezottl
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on November 19, 2017, 08:45:35 pm
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.

#Neverforget

http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570


Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Xant on November 19, 2017, 08:49:19 pm
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.

#Neverforget

http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570
inb4 permaban
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 19, 2017, 09:28:44 pm
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.

#Neverforget

http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570

Ban he
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 19, 2017, 10:31:33 pm
So these new devs permaban people because they said they sold looms for cash, and have a few transactions where they gave them away (coulda been for free, ain't illegal to give gifts here) and yet they've got a dev who actually offers money up for looms? Nice.

#Neverforget

http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570 (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/this-is-not-fair/msg1176570/#msg1176570)

Doesn't really look like the story you told us James, but then again, Havelle couldn't really tell us much before you decided to perma ban him right? LMAO

To summarize:

James argues against Oberyn and Zottl regarding whether we should wipe or not. His own stupidity humiliates himself and he gets triggered, decides to PERMABAN zottl when he says he sold looms years ago. This in a time of a very dead mod, mind you. Would he have done the same to someone that had not upset him? No, it's very clear that he did it because Zottl made him uncomfortable.

There's "proof" on the market that Zottl gave away looms for nothing. It might as well have been a gift but for the sake of the discussion, let's assume he sold looms, let me explain why permanently banning him is wrong.

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Selling goods in cRPG MIGHT lead to the suspension of your account. In this time, when there's 15 people on at peak time, should admins enforce the rules as strict as possible, especially when it's a harmless offence done years ago, when even the admin that banned him have done so himself? I don't think so. Here's the funny part, Zottl isn't even banned ingame, that's where you should be banned if anything. If you get banned in the game, here's what should happen: You get banned, your forum account absolutely does NOT get banned, because here is where you come to protest your ban or make an essay, explaining that you've learnt your lesson etc. Retroactively banning for a minor offence is plain stupid. Not that selling looms is even the real reason James decided to ban him, ofcourse.

To continue, James banned Zottl of course, then Havelle claims he has screens of James buying his looms. James getting nervous, gives a different side of the story, claiming it was to "help Havelle buy wine". He then quickly perma bans Havelle from the forum, before Havelle has any chance to refute this claim. The "reason" for this was because he's banned ingame. Like I explained earlier, you don't get banned on the forums, I don't believe that has ever happened except maybe once when cmp got really triggered way back. Regardless, this screenshot from 2015 shows that it didn't went down as James claimed it did.

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People obviously got outraged, because this is all absurd and we all realise this is uncalled for and that James is simply a massive hypocrite that acts in his own best rather then cRPGs. He doesn't want people like Oberyn, zottl or myself that are "mean". Oberyn got triggered because of James bullshit, understandable and left the forum, most of you probably missed it since Uther removed that post among others.

Unban zottl and havelle from the forum, replace yourself as "community manager" with someone likeable that half the community doesn't think is a fucking retard and maybe you can revive the mod. I'd love to play cRPG again, Zottl aswell! But the current frustration is unbearable.

Did I miss anything?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 19, 2017, 10:40:27 pm
replace him with me im universally liked and am the most intelligent person in cprg

#voteladoeadeoaeoaeo
#ladeoadforcommunitymanager
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Kadeth on November 19, 2017, 10:42:57 pm
replace yourself as "community manager" with someone likeable that half the community doesn't think is a fucking retard and maybe you can revive the mod.

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Thryn on November 19, 2017, 10:44:05 pm
acts in his own best rather then cRPGs.


Did I miss anything?

ya u forgot the word "interest"

checkmate retard
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 19, 2017, 10:47:53 pm
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true, everyone thinks you're a retard LOL #gottem

ya u forgot the word "interest"

checkmate retard

stfu nerd

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Kadeth on November 19, 2017, 10:51:12 pm
You won't be laughing when I'm the one with the keys to the lamborghini...
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 19, 2017, 10:51:59 pm
replace him with me im universally liked and am the most intelligent person in cprg

#voteladoeadeoaeoaeo
#ladeoadforcommunitymanager

Definitely the spergiest
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 19, 2017, 11:09:59 pm
Definitely the spergiest
what the FUCK gravoth you traitor i thought we were friends wheres my +1 huh?! HUH?!"?!1
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: the real god emperor on November 19, 2017, 11:12:31 pm
what the FUCK gravoth you traitor i thought we were friends wheres my +1 huh?! HUH?!"?!1

Nobody wants you in gentlemen's club you absolute fucking leech
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 19, 2017, 11:14:30 pm
Nobody wants you in gentlemen's club you absolute fucking leech
listen here u FUCKING WORM i will crush ur skull into the floor if u ever talk to me that way again do u UNDERSTAND ME KRATOS YOU FUCKING BITCH F A G G O T

edit: also bitch i hope its raining and you dont have a rain coat with you
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: the real god emperor on November 19, 2017, 11:15:48 pm
discriminitive and vulgar language help pls
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 19, 2017, 11:17:06 pm
discriminitive and vulgar language help pls

please provide a description of the man who was using this VILE language, i'll fucking deport the fucker, rest assured kratos i will FIND THE CULPRIT
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Laufknoten on November 19, 2017, 11:20:37 pm
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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: the real god emperor on November 19, 2017, 11:22:46 pm
please provide a description of the man who was using this VILE language, i'll fucking deport the fucker, rest assured kratos i will FIND THE CULPRIT

smth like this;

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He also made everyone around him believe that he is a Brit
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 19, 2017, 11:26:26 pm
smth like this;

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He also made everyone around him believe that he is a Brit
roger sir we'll send out the beating squad i mean police to question the suspect
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Casul on November 20, 2017, 12:01:42 am
Definitely the spergiest

aspergiest*
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 12:07:52 am
aspergiest*

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Good one cass
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 20, 2017, 12:55:37 am
Zottlmarsch was a proud man. You can't have pride as cRPG minion, that traits is reserved for admins only. When you do something wrong in cRPG this is what happens:
a) due to overwhelming physical evidence you are forced to admit doing wrong and lie how you'll change - you get a free pass
b) due to lack of hard evidence admins can't prove you being wrong and you lie about doing wrong in the first place - you get a free pass
c) you did wrong and know you did wrong but won't kneel and ask for forgiveness - you are toast

He choose c. Most wrongdoers pick a or b depending on severity of situation. Some will weasel their way out even when being on the brink of full confession because prosecutor aka admin is idiotic human being (Thomek).

Is proud man worse than dishonest man? That is up to you to decide. One thing is certain, no human being ever born and raised thinks of him/her/zheself as lesser than any other human being and will never truly believe he/she/zhe is the wrongdoer. It is always compromise to get the best way out from shitty situation they get themselves into. No one ever said I'm wrong and at the same time thought the same thing in his/her/zhe head.

Proud people always lose tho. chadz was proud and lost, big time.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 01:01:30 am
Thanks for using the zhe pronoun leshma, very including of you my friend
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Athelar on November 20, 2017, 01:09:49 am
Maybe because it's not sarcasm and there's clear evidence that he had 35 transactions during a span of 7 days where he traded away his 35 looms for 1 gold each to 2 different accounts? A 10 minute check in the marketplace tab confirmed it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

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I gave all my 20+ +3 items away to other players for free too. (which also was years of work) Are you now gonna assume I sold them for real money too? If you think that's the case, permaban me. It makes you devs seem even dumber than you already made yourselves look.  None of you can prove that Zottl actually sold it to someone else, or if he just gifted it out to someone because he didn't care. Permabanning people right now isn't what cRPG needs, if you look at the current playerbase.

On another topic,
I really want to play cRPG again, but I don't feel for it with the dev team we got now. It annoys me that James chooses to reject most of what the players want now, a fresh start meaning a wipe. But we won't get it, why? Because James years of work will be lost. I see that James wants to revive cRPG, but isn't it being a little self-centered thinking that people will come back if you don't listen to the community?

There's two scenarios:

1) A somewhat bigger playerbase than what was seen for months, but years of work is gone
2) Low playerbase, but years of work remains

I know I would choose 1.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 20, 2017, 01:13:45 am
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Thanks for using the zhe pronoun leshma, very including of you my friend

Just getting with the times. Funny thing, those people call their convention pride. Probably because they are anti God, cause pride is the greatest of them all, the original sin. The one sin which gave birth to all others. The sin of Lucifer.

Zottlmarsch you devil, may you have sex tonight as well!
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 20, 2017, 01:46:24 am
He said he sold looms for irl money, and marketplace data confirms that there was the exact amount of transactions for 1 gold in his history, what assumptions are you talking about? He literally admitted to something that only be himself brought our attention to.

Come on, grow some thick skin, man up and live with consequences of your actions. Isn't that what krems would preach?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 01:51:38 am
Are you going to try to tackle any of the many other points? Or this:

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EDIT:

Zottl can just claim to not have known anything about the rule I'm sure.

Also before I was made aware of the rule by dupre.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Athelar on November 20, 2017, 03:37:27 am
He said he sold looms for irl money, and marketplace data confirms that there was the exact amount of transactions for 1 gold in his history, what assumptions are you talking about? He literally admitted to something that only be himself brought our attention to.

Come on, grow some thick skin, man up and live with consequences of your actions. Isn't that what krems would preach?

Again, you are assuming things you don't know for sure, no real evidence. I have sold looms for real money. Are you suspecting me now? No, because no real evidence. He could for all we know, be joking about it.

Are you really telling me to grow some thick skin, the one that supports permabanning Zottlmarsch even though you are in fact ignorant about whether it happened? I feel sorry for you.

Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: McKli_PL on November 20, 2017, 03:51:24 am
lul so i can sell whole Greys armoury (its like 300 loomed stuff) bonus i can sell my account, Gayrandin account and Dynior account its 50 +3 items :) and for free 15 Harpags cd-keys all for 70 euro  :mrgreen: if some1 is so braindamaged to buy it we can negotiate the price  :D
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 20, 2017, 08:47:56 am
He said he sold looms for irl money, and marketplace data confirms that there was the exact amount of transactions for 1 gold in his history, what assumptions are you talking about? He literally admitted to something that only be himself brought our attention to.

Come on, grow some thick skin, man up and live with consequences of your actions. Isn't that what krems would preach?

but wouldnt you say that all rules are interpretable by the admin / dev enforcing them?  And such interpretation is often very necessary.  W/o wanting to hate on james,  but I am quite sure pretty much anyone else would not have ruled out any sort of punishment in this givin situation,  let alone a permban.  it just isnt reasonable.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 20, 2017, 09:14:16 am
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 20, 2017, 09:19:31 am
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))

And all of us appreciate that, dear Uther  : )
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 01:25:18 pm
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))

What have you made sense of? You've simply stated that it has occured (fine) but you have not tried to justify the ban or responded to the critique with anything but "play stupid games, win stupid prices hurr durr".

Sorry, but not responding at all is better then that, it simply looks pathetic.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Athelar on November 20, 2017, 02:36:10 pm
This entire ordeal isn't reasonable, yet here I am trying to make sense of it for you.))

Yet, you haven't shown any real evidence that supports your assumption.


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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 20, 2017, 03:26:48 pm
I've only explained the exact source of the ban (because some called it baseless) , I didn't try to justify the ban itself aside from pointing out that some of your outrage is weird, not all but as always, you're on the spectrum. I've had no hand in zottl's ban, and I can understand where  both of the sides are coming from. Keep in mind however that, effectively, zottl is not banned from the game, merely the forum. Again, a confusing choice but it appears much less harmful than if he was to be banned from the game.

I've not made sense of anything yet, which is what I said - it's a process, Tybalt. I don't think calling my replies pathetic is exactly helping the exchange, but I guess that's just frustration.

Personally, I think that we could've avoided this entire shitshow if we would've had some rule in regards to limitation of the period of punishability for breaking rules - it's a bit dumb to chase after things that happened 2 years ago or so.

Shanxi, meanwhile what you quoted could very well be someone else using James' avatar and steam name to forge evidence, yet I'm not doubting you . I wouldn't lie to you regarding there being data in the logs, if there wasn't any I'd be on the forefront to unban zottl, even if he's a krems. I've refrained from posting it by advice of other devs.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 04:28:43 pm
I've only explained the exact source of the ban (because some called it baseless) , I didn't try to justify the ban itself aside from pointing out that some of your outrage is weird, not all but as always, you're on the spectrum. I've had no hand in zottl's ban, and I can understand where  both of the sides are coming from. Keep in mind however that, effectively, zottl is not banned from the game, merely the forum. Again, a confusing choice but it appears much less harmful than if he was to be banned from the game.

Yes, Zottl is only banned from the forum and not the game which makes no sense at all. Can't really blame James for that though, he couldn't give two shits about it really except to quickly get a reason to get him quiet. Explain to me why Zottl is banned from the forum and how it makes sense. Does the rules state that you only get banned from the forums  for selling looms? You know why he got banned, and it's a shame you're defending this decision simply because James and you are in the same boat. It's as easy as admitting you (James) made a mistake and unban him. Then we can move on.

This is actually more harmful then if he was simply banned ingame. It makes you all look incompetent, I believe it's very important that the community have faith in the devs.

I've not made sense of anything yet, which is what I said - it's a process, Tybalt. I don't think calling my replies pathetic is exactly helping the exchange, but I guess that's just frustration.

Personally, I think that we could've avoided this entire shitshow if we would've had some rule in regards to limitation of the period of punishability for breaking rules - it's a bit dumb to chase after things that happened 2 years ago or so.

I agree, great input. Implement it a week ago.

Shanxi, meanwhile what you quoted could very well be someone else using James' avatar and steam name to forge evidence, yet I'm not doubting you . I wouldn't lie to you regarding there being data in the logs, if there wasn't any I'd be on the forefront to unban zottl, even if he's a krems. I've refrained from posting it by advice of other devs.

What? James and Zottl has both admitted (by your own logic) to have dealt with looms with outside goods. He doesn't even deny it yet you do?


Quote from: James
This was when havelle asked me for money for wine and I offered to give it to him for free. Also before I was made aware of the rule by dupre.

I really can't differ from the two situations, what makes one bannable while the other one doesn't? Apart from James being in the dev team of course.

Why have you been deleting posts btw? Genuine question.

I hope you can undo this, restore some of your credibility and the devs and the community can move forward to make a real revival of cRPG.

Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on November 20, 2017, 04:38:00 pm
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"Explain to me why Zottl is banned from the forum and how it makes sense. "

Same reason why havelle and jona are banned as well, the eurocuck's ass is still sore after getting rammed by so much muslim dick on the reg that then when havelle zottl or jona came in with some ass whooping it pushed the pansy over the edge and he dropped the ban hammer on them without a second thought. had to preserve his precious safe space even if it meant making up all his own rules and punishments. time to get someone who isnt a cuck to moderate the forums. also rofl, "he is banned on the forums but not in the game for committing a game related offense." fucking rofl, how idiotic can someone be? if he was banned from the game then so be it, he 'broke the rules' and whatnot. but being banned on the forums for something related to the game? loool.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Athelar on November 20, 2017, 05:45:19 pm
Shanxi, meanwhile what you quoted could very well be someone else using James' avatar and steam name to forge evidence, yet I'm not doubting you . I wouldn't lie to you regarding there being data in the logs, if there wasn't any I'd be on the forefront to unban zottl, even if he's a krems. I've refrained from posting it by advice of other devs.

Great, so James' action he admittedly said he commited (except from actually saying he gave it for free for wine, which we can't trust for sure without real evidence) without any involvement of looms, you're trying to deny it?

This was when havelle asked me for money for wine and I offered to give it to him for free. Also before I was made aware of the rule by dupre.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Asheram on November 20, 2017, 06:39:51 pm
We should all show our support and say we sold looms for moolah, he can't ban us all right?
The WHOLE Chinese server should be banned right Yuang said they all sell looms for ca$h..
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 20, 2017, 07:43:16 pm
Why is he banned from the forum - apparently James assumed it also translated into a ban in-game. To be fair, we've never used that option before lol

About the limitations on pushability - I guess we'll add it officialy in some time soon, about time on this one.

About that quote from steam - I am trying to reach some english manual for warband with the EULA to finally see how it actually looks like in the fine print, because if we're gonna be pedantic, there is a distinction between punishability of "sale" and "buying", and so far I cannot find any direct source to this rule, aside from M&B Napoleonic Wars manual, though I would not be surprised if it was similiar if not exact same EULA for Warband. Assuming that would be the case, as a Licensee (you don't own your copy), you could not in any way profit from something you do not own, including selling parts of it, which would fall under the definition of Software Product (modified items, software - a loom would be, I guess, an amount of data manifested as an item in-game, which still falls under modified files category). However, this is slowly going into some autistic territory and a waste of time for all of us. I'll just contact James either today or tomorrow and figure out where to go with this entire shebang.

Just for the record, Havelle is staying banned because of his in-game fuckery in months past (literal ban-avoiding that we had issues controlling, very nasty behaviour, his forum permaban should've happened much much earlier, and was simply overlooked)

Why have you been deleting posts btw? Genuine question.

I deleted your 2 posts for my personal amusement, kinda like how I changed your chocolate chip cookie documentary links to link to some feminist documentaries. Also to hear about your spergouts in krems group chat :lol:

I also deleted either one of Oberyn's goodbye posts, just to see him sperg out one last time in Discord, said short spergout which I then also deleted.

I hope you can undo this, restore some of your credibility and the devs and the community can move forward to make a real revival of cRPG.

The first response to the big patch was essentialy a "You fucked up." with no words of appreciation or understanding for months of agonizing begging and reminding and annoying chadz & others to finally gain the rights and access to cRPG so we could finally try and fix it. I don't think it's much to ask for some "heh nice job tbh" instead of what Professor recieved for his patch. There's absolutely nothing more demotivating than working a thankless task, and this is what it essentaily turned out to be. Doesn't mean either him or James or me are gonna just drop it now, and I don't say that we require compliments or some shit, just remember the human.

-snip-

I don't quite see why we should talk that way?  :?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 08:32:35 pm
Why is he banned from the forum - apparently James assumed it also translated into a ban in-game. To be fair, we've never used that option before lol

About the limitations on pushability - I guess we'll add it officialy in some time soon, about time on this one.

Yes, I can imagine it's hard to know what you're doing when you go on an autistic ban spree.

About that quote from steam - I am trying to reach some english manual for warband with the EULA to finally see how it actually looks like in the fine print, because if we're gonna be pedantic, there is a distinction between punishability of "sale" and "buying", and so far I cannot find any direct source to this rule, aside from M&B Napoleonic Wars manual, though I would not be surprised if it was similiar if not exact same EULA for Warband. Assuming that would be the case, as a Licensee (you don't own your copy), you could not in any way profit from something you do not own, including selling parts of it, which would fall under the definition of Software Product (modified items, software - a loom would be, I guess, an amount of data manifested as an item in-game, which still falls under modified files category). However, this is slowly going into some autistic territory and a waste of time for all of us. I'll just contact James either today or tomorrow and figure out where to go with this entire shebang.

The rule clearly states  
Quote
Using goods outside cRPG* (real money, real items, stuff in other games, ...)  as trading currency for goods in cRPG is not allowed and might lead to the suspension of your account.
as *TRADING* currency,
 that obviously includes both buying and selling. That's a cRPG made rule. Yes, the EULA does not allow for things to be sold under the license, it doesn't overrule further rules made however. It says nothing about teamkilling in the EULA, are those cRPG rules suddenly made obsolete?


Just for the record, Havelle is staying banned because of his in-game fuckery in months past (literal ban-avoiding that we had issues controlling, very nasty behaviour, his forum permaban should've happened much much earlier, and was simply overlooked)

I deleted your 2 posts for my personal amusement, kinda like how I changed your chocolate chip cookie documentary links to link to some feminist documentaries. Also to hear about your spergouts in krems group chat :lol:

This is what we're dealing with folks. It comes as no surprise that James would do the things he have done when another 3rd of the dev team deletes posts for his own "personal amusement". My "spergouts" in the krems chat include "I believe Uther is deleting posts"
 and calling your behavior retarded. Get a grip, holy shit.

I also deleted either one of Oberyn's goodbye posts, just to see him sperg out one last time in Discord, said short spergout which I then also deleted.

Yeah, that's some funny shenanigans dude, do you realise that you're, knowingly or not, pushing people away from cRPG?

The first response to the big patch was essentialy a "You fucked up." with no words of appreciation or understanding for months of agonizing begging and reminding and annoying chadz & others to finally gain the rights and access to cRPG so we could finally try and fix it. I don't think it's much to ask for some "heh nice job tbh" instead of what Professor recieved for his patch. There's absolutely nothing more demotivating than working a thankless task, and this is what it essentaily turned out to be. Doesn't mean either him or James or me are gonna just drop it now, and I don't say that we require compliments or some shit, just remember the human.

I'm sorry no one is seeing you as demi-gods for taking upon you the time in your lifes to do this righteous tasks but you should have seen it coming. This community has been like this for 7 years. You'll get praise from those who approve and "hate" (mild criticism really) from those who do not.

I don't quite see why we should talk that way?  :?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Casul on November 20, 2017, 08:40:43 pm
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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 20, 2017, 08:51:11 pm
Not selling looms for real money falls under common sense rule but sadly, common sense wasn't so common in cRPG community both on player on admin side.

First chadz decided to give incentives to backers in form of cRPG items which can be considered as breaking said rule. Then butthurt Panos (cmp perma'ed him cuz he doesn't like him) decided to tell that story on taleworlds forum. Then bunch of people butthurt over various issues decided to sell looms,  At some point in time black market consisting of cRPG items was established. Since then mod died, came from the dead, got its rotten skull blasted couple of times and risen again. Out of seven years shenanigans regarding cRPG items happened between first and fourth year.

Then comes question of morality. Is it bad selling in game items for money? I think it is and that's why I never attempted it. Actually I  did give some items in return for Melee: Battlegrounds licence key but that was fictional like most of the XP I've earned as a player. Never got the key from chadz which means I never traded items for real life currency (if key for failed kickstarter project can be called as something of value).

Why is selling items bad? Because it is done by players and not so called owner of the IP. It's legal bullshit. Gold farmers selling money is perceived as bad but Blizzard selling gold boosters is fine. Selling cRPG items is mostly forbidden because modders fear lawsuit coming their way from owners of the IP, which are represented by some legal firm and so on. Intellectual property laws were conceived as a way to  protect inventors but in reality, those rights have been sold to numerous specialized firms which trade with those IPs and sue anyone given the opportunity. Because of people not caring, that became a fact of life and must be treated as such.

No selling of cRPG looms cuz project owners can get in trouble, that's the bottom line.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: McKli_PL on November 20, 2017, 08:59:10 pm
@Cassu
omfg so much cocaine!  :wink:
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 20, 2017, 09:10:41 pm
About that quote from steam - I am trying to reach some english manual for warband with the EULA to finally see how it actually looks like in the fine print, because if we're gonna be pedantic, there is a distinction between punishability of "sale" and "buying", and so far I cannot find any direct source to this rule, aside from M&B Napoleonic Wars manual, though I would not be surprised if it was similiar if not exact same EULA for Warband. Assuming that would be the case, as a Licensee (you don't own your copy), you could not in any way profit from something you do not own, including selling parts of it, which would fall under the definition of Software Product (modified items, software - a loom would be, I guess, an amount of data manifested as an item in-game, which still falls under modified files category). However, this is slowly going into some autistic territory and a waste of time for all of us. I'll just contact James either today or tomorrow and figure out where to go with this entire shebang.

EULA is made up document created by owners of IP to serve as some sort of gentlemanly agreement between user and provider of service. In reality, it is mostly used to threaten people not to do something which owner of IP finds to be undesirable behavior. Given enough resources and right environment, any EULA can be obliterated in court. Enough money, time and government laws that aren't supportive of EULA and it goes away. German/Swiss court and semi persistent user can win against any EULA. Steam EULA is mostly bullshit like 95% of things Valve does but there was never large enough push to bring Valve to any decent court, to make them bleed money by paying fines for running fishy business. When I learned what Valve does I've stopped using their service and buying games on Steam. Would rather give my money to Sony, even tho I'm not a fan of theirs.

Real reason why most people take EULAs seriously is because they fear the context of EULA and are afraid of being sued by rich companies. Like in Germany when some law firms send you the letter asking for money for downloading torrents. Many people cave in and pay the sum but semi innocent person given resources can blast those fuckers on court and make them pay for extortion.

Most of above does not apply to American legal system.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: the real god emperor on November 20, 2017, 10:54:00 pm
Healthiest solution is unbanning him. I know you guys are trying to stand behind your decision until the end, but it REALLY makes no sense to ban anyone for this on current period of time. Especially a forum ban, for that matter. Also Uther, you mentioned that forum ban is less harmful than an ingame ban, I disagree, I wouldn't give two shits about an ingame ban right now, but would be upset if I got banned on forums. You guys need to acknowledge that c-RPG is less than %50 of this board now. Accepting your mistakes requires more balls than standing behind your wrong decision.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 20, 2017, 10:54:31 pm
Time for me to make a more serious post

This whole situation is completely stupid and needs to be fixed. Let's explain why:

First of all, if Zottl has broken a rule that is punishable with a permanent ban, he should be banned from the forums, in game, and through the c-rpg website. He is, however, not. He's only banned through the forum, which is wrong. Either enforce your rules or don't, stop half heartedly enforcing them. Rules are set in stone, the job of an administrator is to enforce the rules set by the owner of the server, or, the one who has been given the job of creating said rules, your job is also deciding what punishment is suitable and what is not, it would be completely illogical and stupid to enforce a ban on someone somewhere else other than just enforcing it as a whole, it's like me finding someone has broken a rule on NA 1 so I ban him from EU 1, it makes no sense what so ever and is a very stupid and embarrassing way to administrate. I'm not saying that mistakes don't happen, this is very blatantly one of those mistakes which wasn't properly thought through. I can understand from your perspective that you don't want to go back on what has been done as you've already fought tooth and nail for it, but, to be completely honest guys, by enforcing this awfully thought out punishment, you ruin all the respect people have for you as admins, I once called you the best Admin I've ever met Uther, and you defending this form of punishment is hurting that opinion that I have of you. I'm not saying that my opinion matters at all and you may not care, but I care about C-RPG, and the one way to fuck this games revival is to lose the respect of your playerbase.

On to the main point, in terms of fixing this, I get that you guys are a small team, and I get that you guys may want to punish Zottl, that's fine, he admitted  to breaking a rule, whether he meant that as a joke or not is up to him, not me. I've adminned for about 3 years on the PW module as well as managing a team of Admins years ago in another game, that however is another ballpark; in this situation, coming from an Admins perspective here, not the retarded Krems inside me, just admit you were wrong. We're not going to hate you or lose respect for you just because you admit that in this instance, the punishment handed out was wrong, if anything, I would actually GAIN respect for you. A good Admin team knows when to admit that they have made a mistake, and in this case, I think it would be highly insulting to call this anything BUT a mistake.

I'm not here to insult you guys or belittle you guys for anything here, my aim isn't to annoy you guys or piss you off, I'm here to offer a perspective. I'm not sure how much experience either of you guys have in Administration but I do think you guys need to step back and look at this from an unbias standpoint. Look at both sides, can you not see how illogical it seems for a player to be banned from the forums because of action that is in relation to the GAME itself. If I was racist in game I would be banned from the game and be left on the forum, correct? That's how this works. The forum is here to be separate from the game, not to be an alternative form of half-hearted punishment.

Whether you guys want to listen to me or not is up to you, I'm simply talking from an Administrators viewpoint from OUTSIDE the team. I might be a retard sometimes (Ok fine 99% of the time) but stuff like this just pisses me off, I expect more from an Admin team personally.

Edit: Just also realised you guys have already admitted that the punishment was a mistake, if James thought it translated to a ban in game that's fair enough, what matters now is what you choose to do with that, you guys either need to ban zottl in game or unban him. Simple as that.
Edit2: Also just realised you guys have been deleting posts because you wanted to, not because of some rule that was broken, just because you felt like it. Another great way to throw the respect of your playerbase down the drain. You guys are trying to rebuild a dead community here and are doing it by treating them like shit. If you treat one person like shit then what's going to stop you doing that to the rest of your playerbase? Decide on whether you want to ACTUALLY build a community here or if you want to abuse your power and delete posts because you found it funny. It's not funny and it's not okay to blatantly misuse your power because you want to, that's just plain disrespectful and sad.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Xant on November 20, 2017, 11:06:06 pm
Lul admins permabanning people for shit they're doing themselves, and now admitting to deleting posts for the lulz

crpg best admins 2017
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Asheram on November 20, 2017, 11:09:02 pm
I deleted your 2 posts for my personal amusement, kinda like how I changed your chocolate chip cookie documentary links to link to some feminist documentaries. Also to hear about your spergouts in krems group chat :lol:

This is what we're dealing with folks. It comes as no surprise that James would do the things he have done when another 3rd of the dev team deletes posts for his own "personal amusement". My "spergouts" in the krems chat include "I believe Uther is deleting posts"
 and calling your behavior retarded. Get a grip, holy shit.

I also deleted either one of Oberyn's goodbye posts, just to see him sperg out one last time in Discord, said short spergout which I then also deleted.

Yeah, that's some funny shenanigans dude, do you realise that you're, knowingly or not, pushing people away from cRPG?
You are right that was a poor prank he should have moved your posts to some obscure unrelated thread that would have  been funny.😀
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 20, 2017, 11:18:25 pm
Healthiest solution is unbanning him. I know you guys are trying to stand behind your decision until the end, but it REALLY makes no sense to ban anyone for this on current period of time. Especially a forum ban, for that matter. Also Uther, you mentioned that forum ban is less harmful than an ingame ban, I disagree, I wouldn't give two shits about an ingame ban right now, but would be upset if I got banned on forums. You guys need to acknowledge that c-RPG is less than %50 of this board now. Accepting your mistakes requires more balls than standing behind your wrong decision.

+1 It takes balls to admit your wrongdoings, no one will think less of you for that.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 20, 2017, 11:25:27 pm
Yeldur post tl:dr

go kick some t.v. boxes
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 20, 2017, 11:26:42 pm
Yeldur post tl:dr

go kick some t.v. boxes
the deve ran
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: FleetFox on November 20, 2017, 11:37:08 pm
I actually enjoyed playing DTV today... who knew.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bronto on November 21, 2017, 12:24:59 am
I leave for three weeks and have clearly missed nothing. I haven't read every thread but from what I've gathered zottlmarch (close enough) is forum banned for selling masterwork items for cash Yeah? Some people are defending him Yeah? Why? I talked to James about that screen grab and he said he never did anything and a message or two later told Havelle, he wasn't going through with it. So here we are. If you'd like to state your case with proof of wrong doing or innocence please PM me and I'll review everything pertaining to this issue so we can resolve it. I'm here to help but I will not rally for unbanning someone until I speak to all parties involved and hear your side of things.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 21, 2017, 01:01:34 am
I leave for three weeks and have clearly missed nothing. I haven't read every thread but from what I've gathered zottlmarch (close enough) is forum banned for selling masterwork items for cash Yeah? Some people are defending him Yeah? Why? I talked to James about that screen grab and he said he never did anything and a message or two later told Havelle, he wasn't going through with it. So here we are. If you'd like to state your case with proof of wrong doing or innocence please PM me and I'll review everything pertaining to this issue so we can resolve it. I'm here to help but I will not rally for unbanning someone until I speak to all parties involved and here your side of things.

Why don't you read the thread(s)? It's very lazy to say you haven't read it and then ask us to repeat ourselves.

"I talked to James about that screen grab and he said he never did anything and a message or two later told Havelle, he wasn't going through with it." There we go then, he's innocent! Talk to Zottl and he'll claim the same thing. Why is it so hard for you guys to be consistent and apply the same logic to both cases?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 21, 2017, 01:05:16 am
Lul admins permabanning people for shit they're doing themselves, and now admitting to deleting posts for the lulz

crpg best admins 2017

You never know which one of us is Terry A. Davis. Could be me or could be an admin.

https://youtu.be/TcqWok8AubE
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bronto on November 21, 2017, 01:13:49 am
Why don't you read the thread(s)? It's very lazy to say you haven't read it and then ask us to repeat ourselves.

"I talked to James about that screen grab and he said he never did anything and a message or two later told Havelle, he wasn't going through with it." There we go then, he's innocent! Talk to Zottl and he'll claim the same thing. Why is it so hard for you guys to be consistent and apply the same logic to both cases?

Well haven't read all the posts because IRL I'm transitioning to a new position in my company and didn't have time to. I'll get there but you all needed immediate attention so this was the fastest way. If anyone can get ahold of zottl and have tell me his side of the story that would be great. Call me lazy or whatever you want but the bottom line is I'm here to enforce justice and help make the mod enjoyable for all. Sometimes life gets in the way and I'm sure you can agree with that. Also, don't be a dick out of frustration, I'm trying to help.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 21, 2017, 01:17:48 am
Absolutely, no worries man. Like I said, you'll get the full story and many peoples views and arguments on the matter when you get time to read them.

If anyone can get ahold of zottl and have tell me his side of the story that would be great.

Sure, unban him and send him a PM   :wink:
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bronto on November 21, 2017, 01:21:28 am
For the community, I'll do it tonight. Thank you for being patient. In all things it's much easier to blame than to find the root of the blame.

726 pm est: Well 2 pages in and wtf

733 pm est: fuck me, I've got some work to do, finished.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Sparvico on November 21, 2017, 01:31:38 am
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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 21, 2017, 02:38:50 am
Bronto seems genuinely interested in fixing this issue so I suggest we end the posting here and leave it up to the mighty Bronto. Hopefully shit will get sorted.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Asheram on November 21, 2017, 02:57:47 am
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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Paul on November 21, 2017, 08:17:50 am
So if vermin is all what's left, is it still alright to kill 'em off?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Kadeth on November 21, 2017, 09:20:12 am
I've adminned for about 3 years on the PW module

it all makes sense now; that would irrevocably destroy anyone's brain
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 21, 2017, 12:48:04 pm
it all makes sense now; that would irrevocably destroy anyone's brain
yeah now u know why im incredibly fucking autistic
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Peasant_Woman on November 21, 2017, 01:01:15 pm
Long story short all I know about this issue is this thread; so grain of salt me.
Agreements rectify issues. We experience an issue, a disturbance in our happy little community and we try to find a solution. Some of these solutions work. Some do not.
Overall having a game have real life consequences seems like a folly a failing and evil but on the surface it can seem a solid solution.
Personally I believe that any ban in game or from a community should be temporary; length up for debate but TEMPORARY.

What is the cost of a chance? TO change? For real? Seriously? Like srs now gais. That probably tells you i'm for unbanning zottlmarsc;
if only to see additional fireworks as we slowly reach a very frightening conclusion.
Personally have seen and observed the way admins and moderators act and behave for MANY MANY years and SOME I cannot comment on, others however I do have the ability.

Do you believe that a community is just the player-base or involves everyone who ever was or will be involved with it? That is the question I am faced with.

Hi, it is signed.
I can only approved.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: njames89 on November 21, 2017, 01:15:53 pm
I enforced a rule and honestly I was too harsh.

Uther will post to clear things up sooner or later. Personally I no longer believe zottl should be permabanned. That was something I did in the heat of the moment and I've come to the conclusion it was excessive.

Appreciate you all reaching out on this matter.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 21, 2017, 01:58:58 pm
I enforced a rule and honestly I was too harsh.

Uther will post to clear things up sooner or later. Personally I no longer believe zottl should be permabanned. That was something I did in the heat of the moment and I've come to the conclusion it was excessive.

Appreciate you all reaching out on this matter.
Takes a good Admin to realise when he's made a mistake, thanks for your honesty James. Hopefully we all can learn from this situation and use it carrying on into the future of C-RPG. Speshul thanks to Bronto for helping us sort this all out. Now I can go back to being an autistic retard again.

Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 21, 2017, 03:43:58 pm
Hello, clearing up things here;

1. Yes, zottl is getting unbanned - as the mushroom cloud of this autistic explosion clears we've come to realise that this was not the wisest of moves. I take part of the blame here as well, as I advised James to go forward with this and later engaged in half-assed attempts to justify what was simply a wrong decision.

2. As of this moment, I'm going to add a tiny new rule to the general rules stating that "An offense that has happened 6 or more months ago is no longer punishable, unless it is a very serious offense (e.g. account theft)"
3. I can personally promise to not remove anyone's posts anymore "for the lulz"

Thanks for being the autistic community we all have grown to cherish and hatelove.  :D
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 21, 2017, 04:30:24 pm
holy crap,  you guys just did something beautiful here.

nice communication and handling of things : )
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on November 21, 2017, 04:46:23 pm
Glad to see this come to a reasonable conclusion.

Now, what about justice for my mans jona and havelle?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Asheram on November 21, 2017, 05:43:30 pm
Why do you keep saying justice for Jona when he isn't banned?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Fungus on November 21, 2017, 05:59:31 pm
 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
BAN EVERYONE
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 21, 2017, 06:08:00 pm
Havelle recieved his justice, he was banned like 20 times in one day for ban avoiding months ago and we simply forgot to extend his permban to forums.

Jona is free to relay his ideas to professor on discord in real-time chat, and that's all I have to say about this.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on November 21, 2017, 06:15:10 pm
Why do you keep saying justice for Jona when he isn't banned?

He is the devs just didn't give him the public shaming or w.e. it is they typically do.

Havelle recieved his justice, he was banned like 20 times in one day for ban avoiding months ago and we simply forgot to extend his permban to forums.

Jona is free to relay his ideas to professor on discord in real-time chat, and that's all I have to say about this.

when in the past have ingame bans extended to the forums? basically never. Im sure jona wouldnt even bother discussing the game with anyone on the dev team realtime or not. trying to have an intelligent debate with inept devs would prove as frustrating in any medium. you realize there is plenty more the this forum other than one topic, right? permabanned from the whole forums for saying the devs made a bad design choice, fucked up commie eurotrash decisions as always.

Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 21, 2017, 06:27:45 pm
hi
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Asheram on November 21, 2017, 06:28:01 pm
Wait... so Jona is invisible banned for crying in his own thread about how the new devs mangled changed the mod, a thread that is in the section specifically made for crying?! For crying out loud do they not know how to just not click on his thread if they don't like what he has to say or how he says it?. If this is true it is worse than the zotti ban.
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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: njames89 on November 21, 2017, 06:33:29 pm
hi

Hello, nice to see you old friend
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 21, 2017, 06:35:51 pm
Being silenced is even worse than being permabanned. Didn't know it was a thing on this forum as well.

Users usually get silenced when admins are afraid of public outrage forcing them to revert their decision which is exactly what happens every time someone not completely retarded (ODINVALHALA) is banned from these forums. Being silenced is like staged car crash by the government when they want to silently get rid of someone.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: RD_Professor on November 21, 2017, 06:37:12 pm
Im sure jona wouldnt even bother discussing the game with anyone on the dev team realtime or not. trying to have an intelligent debate with inept devs would prove as frustrating in any medium.
Just like how it was frustrating trying to have a conversation with Jona without him being snarky or snide. (perhaps not the exact right adjectives, but something along those lines)
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on November 21, 2017, 07:15:32 pm
"For crying out loud do they not know how to just not click on his thread if they don't like what he has to say or how he says it?"

THats what Im saying!

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theyre acting like they were forced to read it, rofl.

Just like how it was frustrating trying to have a conversation with Jona without him being snarky or snide. (perhaps not the exact right adjectives, but something along those lines)

So by getting yourself frustrated you go and justify permabanning someone from here? classic dev move.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 21, 2017, 07:25:59 pm
cool thread, i voted yes for ban!  8-)

On a serious note tho, just wanted to quickly say a big thanks to all my peeps for their support, and also thanks to the admins/deve for letting the patient back into the madhouse.  :wink:
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 21, 2017, 07:38:25 pm
Big props to the dev team for realising their mistake, hopefully we can move forward as a community and this won't happen again...

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I banned him because I didn't like what he had to say, I also hid his ban tag to avoid public outrage

... What the fuck? There is no way in hell you can let Jona's ban stay after all this. It's even more retarded then Zottlmarschs ban.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 21, 2017, 07:50:56 pm
Devs are people too. Actually, devs are people, we pesky users are not, we are ubermensch. While devs have flimsy cloth shrouding their emotions which can be penetrated easily, we users have built impenetrable concrete plates around our souls which protect us from every onslaught that comes our way. We were fighting in the mud for eons and that ordeal granted us high stats in each relevant psychological category. Devs, being born in high castles can't survive among plebs, thus need their gadgets that let them shoot the commoners in case those look at them in wrong way accompanied with snideful attitude.

You Shall Not Question, Cause God Is Absolute! And on any internet forum, admin is God like figure.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Oberyn on November 21, 2017, 07:57:57 pm
I can personally promise to not remove anyone's posts anymore "for the lulz"

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 21, 2017, 08:05:40 pm
He's unmuted now. I'd still advise him to either take his beef with Professor into private messages or improve his attitude.

A side note - not sure if you have noticed, but no one besides him seems to have such poor complaints, given how his thread died out as he was the only one pushing it. :wink: Constructive criticism is welcome, criticism used to hide your butthurt is gonna be made fun of. The level ranges are being changed soon anyway, so his point will be moot for even more reasons.


I only deleted your goodbye post to allow you shameless return with no need to retract your goodbye post, thank me later you cunt
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Jona on November 21, 2017, 08:20:06 pm
Free at last. Thanks friends. <3

given how his thread died out as he was the only one pushing it.

Threads tend to die out when one party derails discussion and the other is banned.  :wink:
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 21, 2017, 08:25:03 pm
cool thread, i voted yes for ban!  8-)

On a serious note tho, just wanted to quickly say a big thanks to all my peeps for their support, and also thanks to the admins/deve for letting the patient back into the madhouse.  :wink:

Fuck you krems piece of shit.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on November 21, 2017, 08:42:17 pm
He's unmuted now. I'd still advise him to either take his beef with Professor into private messages or improve his attitude.

A side note - not sure if you have noticed, but no one besides him seems to have such poor complaints, given how his thread died out as he was the only one pushing it. :wink: Constructive criticism is welcome, criticism used to hide your butthurt is gonna be made fun of. The level ranges are being changed soon anyway, so his point will be moot for even more reasons.

I only deleted your goodbye post to allow you shameless return with no need to retract your goodbye post, thank me later you cunt

I hope one day you will wisen up to see the irony of your stance on that whole debacle. until then, thanks for listening to reason, i guess. Looks like my work here is done for the time being.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: RD_Professor on November 21, 2017, 08:45:27 pm
So by getting yourself frustrated you go and justify permabanning someone from here? classic dev move.
Love the assumption that I was the one to permaban him. Those who know me at all would tell you that I'm not one to do something like that. Additionally, I'm still willing and would be happy to have a polite discussion with Jona if he's willing to put aside his usual snarkiness.


Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Jona on November 21, 2017, 08:49:40 pm
Love the assumption that I was the one to permaban him.

Anyone could tell that it was Uther (maaaaybe dupre), as I'd at least assume you have the thickest skin of the current devs.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 21, 2017, 08:52:45 pm
Fuck you krems piece of shit.

what the FUCK gravoth im going to hit u with a spade u son of a BITCH
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Mlekce on November 21, 2017, 09:21:21 pm
Is it really that hard to obey rules and just play game? Some people are working on this, wasting their time and money for us to play and some people just bitch and annoy them. Don't get it.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Molly on November 21, 2017, 10:27:59 pm
hi
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 21, 2017, 10:49:41 pm
welcome back brother zottlmarsch!

also, i like the new rule about (most) crimes done over 6 months ago not being punishable.

confession time  :twisted:
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Thryn on November 21, 2017, 11:00:59 pm
hey guys i've had a really enlightening discussion on eu dtv

after consulting with Ras_FrenzYY, i now identify as a 40yo canadian antisemite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 21, 2017, 11:58:04 pm
If admins have a strong itch to ban/silence someone without causing public outrage, I'm here ya know. No one will ask for unban, 100% guaranteed. Only negative aspect is karmic response. Previous dev team are still feeling it.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Paul on November 22, 2017, 10:52:02 am
But if we ban you from here, you will go and haunt another place. Probably one with real people. This is a containment board now and you are among the containees.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 22, 2017, 10:59:00 am
I'm here ya know. No one will ask for unban, 100% guaranteed.

i would ask for unban!  :|
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Panos_Tournament on November 22, 2017, 12:34:34 pm
hooo fucking rayyyy!!!
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 22, 2017, 04:27:26 pm
But if we ban you from here, you will go and haunt another place. Probably one with real people. This is a containment board now and you are among the containees.

You wouldn't believe how many opportunities there are for doing such a thing and best thing about it, would be absolutely justified thing to do. But nah, I don't do it. Not even fighting in bars (Panoses favorite leisure time activity).

Been visiting two forums regularly, got banned on one so this is the only forum I actively visit. Mostly on reddit these days but I'm completely different person in there, because retarded behavior is curated on reddit and there is no need to wrestle with the pigs such as Oberyn. Good stuff goes up, stupid stuff goes invisible. Discussion forums as medium are on a decline for half a decade or more, just look at forum software how antique it looks compared to modern web. And innovated boards are working like reddit which means they serve no purpose because it is better having centralized, easily accessible database than googling bunch of different urls that lead to different boards.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: polkafranzi on November 22, 2017, 08:25:48 pm
die

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Molly on November 22, 2017, 10:16:11 pm
Ban.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Leshma on November 22, 2017, 10:44:11 pm
Undeniable proof Krems aren't autistic as originally thought.

- wife ✓
- kid ✓
- casual ✓

Of course it had to be Merc buying looms, literally the most autistic clan in history of cRPG. Of course Fin was made a fool. Of fucking course Nessaj was foolish to begin with. Everything makes so much sense it couldn't be made up story.

Shame I'm autistic as fuck and never attempted such stunt. If I knew kid would get something out of my stupid time wasting habit, would gladly give all my looms and gold to Dan instead of that braindead Norwegian autist.

Good thing, it was Krems armory and not Peasant United. Because dealing with that Belgian with special needs (norules) wouldn't be as easy.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Yeldur on November 22, 2017, 11:56:40 pm
Undeniable proof Krems aren't autistic as originally thought.

- wife ✓
- kid ✓
- casual ✓

Of course it had to be Merc buying looms, literally the most autistic clan in history of cRPG. Of course Fin was made a fool. Of fucking course Nessaj was foolish to begin with. Everything makes so much sense it couldn't be made up story.

Shame I'm autistic as fuck and never attempted such stunt. If I knew kid would get something out of my stupid time wasting habit, would gladly give all my looms and gold to Dan instead of that braindead Norwegian autist.

Good thing, it was Krems armory and not Peasant United. Because dealing with that Belgian with special needs (norules) wouldn't be as easy.

i'll have u fucking know that i am VERY autistic and i find it highly offensive that u would ever lump me in with those normal fucking krems losers u FUCKING BITCH
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Oberyn on November 23, 2017, 12:49:19 am
Which merc bought those looms. Gimme a name. He can't get banned for it anymore anyways, so you won't be snitching. Needs to be named and shamed.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Oberyn on November 23, 2017, 12:50:46 am
Been visiting two forums regularly, got banned on one so this is the only forum I actively visit. Mostly on reddit these days but I'm completely different person in there, because retarded behavior is curated on reddit and there is no need to wrestle with the pigs such as Oberyn. Good stuff goes up, stupid stuff goes invisible. Discussion forums as medium are on a decline for half a decade or more, just look at forum software how antique it looks compared to modern web. And innovated boards are working like reddit which means they serve no purpose because it is better having centralized, easily accessible database than googling bunch of different urls that lead to different boards.

Bugman likes reddit echo chambers, news at 11.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 23, 2017, 12:54:13 am
Which merc bought those looms. Gimme a name. He can't get banned for it anymore anyways, so you won't be snitching. Needs to be named and shamed.

Who was the merc dirtbag that sold 8k troops and a castle to UIF? lmao
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Oberyn on November 23, 2017, 12:56:20 am
I dunno? I mostly stopped giving a shit about Strat after v1. I just occasionally played a strat battle here and there, didn't follow the politics. You mean sold for cash? Again, give names.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 23, 2017, 01:10:57 am
No, that's the best part, he sold it for a dozen or so +3s ingame. Everyone started to hate him for it so bad that he eventually quit. I would appreciate if someone that remembers could drop a name so I know what to search for, great drama.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Kadeth on November 23, 2017, 03:55:23 am
Good stuff goes up, stupid stuff goes invisible.

so today you're a normie, but which leshma will we get tomorrow?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Casul on November 23, 2017, 12:19:21 pm
Thanks Djavo

 
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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Torben on November 23, 2017, 03:59:44 pm
No, that's the best part, he sold it for a dozen or so +3s ingame. Everyone started to hate him for it so bad that he eventually quit. I would appreciate if someone that remembers could drop a name so I know what to search for, great drama.

I remember the drama but not the name ^^
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 23, 2017, 04:02:33 pm
Is this spam thread now?  :?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Bittersteel on November 23, 2017, 04:04:01 pm
Is this spam thread now?  :?

Shut the fuck up
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 23, 2017, 04:06:08 pm
Shut the fuck up

ok sorry  :cry:
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Oberyn on November 24, 2017, 10:58:47 am
Hey Zottl you fucking autist which merc did you supposedly sell you ill-gotten looms to like a shameless my old friend? I checked with Uthyr to track him down and supposedly none of the looms you sold went to a merc. Why you lyin', you krems cunt?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Casul on November 24, 2017, 11:41:21 am
I alrady said it.

iirc it was not a merc as of crpg merc clan player, it was a guy coming from mercenaries mod over to cRPG
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 24, 2017, 12:34:40 pm
I alrady said it.

iirc it was not a merc as of crpg merc clan player, it was a guy coming from mercenaries mod over to cRPG

Yea, iirc a few months later the guy gave away all the looms for free to new players.   
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 24, 2017, 12:36:00 pm
Hey Zottl you fucking autist which merc did you supposedly sell you ill-gotten looms to like a shameless my old friend? I checked with Uthyr to track him down and supposedly none of the looms you sold went to a merc. Why you lyin', you krems cunt?

:cry: Does this mean we are enemies again?
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Oberyn on November 24, 2017, 12:50:14 pm
Merc clan vindicated, Leshma confirmed for being retarded gullible autist willing to believe anything that coddles his bugman asexual reproductive system (again).

:cry: Does this mean we are enemies again?

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We have always been at war with Eastasia Krems.
Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Rico on November 25, 2017, 11:59:24 pm
buying looms for good $$$$$
i'm AAA++ trustworthy
pm me on discord

my only condition: don't leak screenshots till 6 months have passed

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Title: Re: free zottlmarsch
Post by: Panos_Tournament on January 12, 2018, 02:56:56 pm
Hey Zottl you fucking autist which merc did you supposedly sell you ill-gotten looms to like a shameless my old friend? I checked with Uthyr to track him down and supposedly none of the looms you sold went to a merc. Why you lyin', you krems cunt?

i still have your arabian lance.

I couch plenty of bundle of stickss with it.