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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Screaming Idiot on February 11, 2016, 03:35:53 pm
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What's better, 1h with a shield or 1h without a shield?
Post your opinion below and, if you'd like, publish your favorite 1h build!
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1h no shield is fun and challenging, but with the way ranged is nowadays it's suicide to go without one. currently working towards 24/21 5 shield on my main ATM and it tears shit up.
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yes
The way I see it, 1h gives you the opportunity to have a shield, so why not use it?
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You only really need 4 shield skill to be "a shielder," so why not invest those points into shield rather than topping off IF? 4 IF can't save you from multiple arrows, while 4 shield skill can save you from many. It can also arguably help in a ganking situation depending on your footwork. I chose 4 shield skill over any IF in my build, but it still all comes down to personal preference.
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The benefit of 1h weapons is that your other hand is free. If you aren't putting something in that hand, you may as well be fighting with it tied behind your back!
Yes, you can defend against ranged much better, and walk right up to them to engage. It also helps when you are fighting more than one person in melee. Take a shield for sure.
My current build is 21/24. It's pretty good.
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The benefit of 1h weapons is that your other hand is free. If you aren't putting something in that hand, you may as well be fighting with it tied behind your back!
Yes, you can defend against ranged much better, and walk right up to them to engage. It also helps when you are fighting more than one person in melee. Take a shield for sure.
My current build is 21/24. It's pretty good.
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But yeah take a shield. Its amazing for group fights and helps vs ranged. If you dont want the shield, you can always drop it or not equip it. At least 4 shield, 5 is better, which isn't much overall.
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Even steel buckler +3, which is one of the fastest shields, has a notable delay when blocking compared to no shield. So having a shield forces you to really anticipate instead of just react to attacks. I can relatively safely manually block most attacks including holds, feints and chambers, but I am bad at anticipating them. Shields are great for catching arrows, but in the actual melee I'd rather go without.
Comes down to preferences though.
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It would also be viable to drop/sheath the shield if you're going 1v1 to avoid the blocking delay. I started this thread mostly from observing peeps like Damatacus and Jayjrod wrecking shit. Also, what's your favorite 1h (mine's the Nordic Champion Sword)?
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what's your favorite 1h?
Espada Eslavona, Wakizashi, Niuweidao
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langes messer for beeing well rounded. ;
Iron War axe for shieldbreakin, highest damageoutput and piercing end against tincans.
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In my experience being able to block all directions at once is better than an un-noticeable blocking delay. Better at defeating spammy players anyways. Heck, I've used the steel shield (slowest) for a long time and raaarely notice or am effected by the "slow" speed. Just don't get tricked by feints.
My favorite 1h are many--but I prefer short powerful weapons (axe, mace, hammer) cuz they really put people down. Lately the iron battle axe is my buddy.
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In my experience being able to block all directions at once is better than an un-noticeable blocking delay. Better at defeating spammy players anyways. Heck, I've used the steel shield (slowest) for a long time and raaarely notice or am effected by the "slow" speed. Just don't get tricked by feints.
My favorite 1h are many--but I prefer short powerful weapons (axe, mace, hammer) cuz they really put people down. Lately the iron battle axe is my buddy.
Agreed for the most part, but the delay is noticeable (not on the first block, but when you drop your block and then try to re-block right away, there is a delay that lags behind the animation).
I also like the shorter 1h weapons that either do more cut damage, or have blunt/pierce damage, but you pretty much need at least 5 or 6 athletics, and can't be wearing a ton of armor (stay under heavy medium/medium-heavy armor), otherwise it's too easy for opponents to s-key out of your range and into theirs.
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Agreed for the most part, but the delay is noticeable (not on the first block, but when you drop your block and then try to re-block right away, there is a delay that lags behind the animation).
I also like the shorter 1h weapons that either do more cut damage, or have blunt/pierce damage, but you pretty much need at least 5 or 6 athletics, and can't be wearing a ton of armor (stay under heavy medium/medium-heavy armor), otherwise it's too easy for opponents to s-key out of your range and into theirs.
True that. I struggled with using a shield at first 'cause I was trying to feint my attacks too much, something that doesn't really work with any shield besides a MS Buckler. The trick is to mostly abuse shield width to step around opponents and use holds to either outspeed or outsmart them. So far the Champion Nord Sword is great for its cutting power and length, thoughI am considering using a Warhammer for that sweet knockdown and stab abuse or the One Handed Axe to counter other shielders or plate crutchers.
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Just keep in mind when contemplating a new weapon that knockdown on 1handed weapons doesn't lead to a follow up attack all that often since if your opponent rolls away your 1hander is too short to reach them before they can block. Sometimes a warhammer stab can do the trick, but that isn't exactly the most damaging option. Sometimes getting the knockdown can work against you if you're facing off against some S-keyer with a long weapon since giving them a roll basically allows them to retreat for free, and you'll need to close the gap yet again.
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Just keep in mind when contemplating a new weapon that knockdown on 1handed weapons doesn't lead to a follow up attack all that often since if your opponent rolls away your 1hander is too short to reach them before they can block. Sometimes a warhammer stab can do the trick, but that isn't exactly the most damaging option. Sometimes getting the knockdown can work against you if you're facing off against some S-keyer with a long weapon since giving them a roll basically allows them to retreat for free, and you'll need to close the gap yet again.
Right, right. I've seen that happen with a few people who used short knockdown weapons (Bar Mace, Maul, etc) and proceed to get stabbed from a mile away. However, knockdown is much more useful in a fight with 3+ people as it allows other people to get a hit in, especially poles/long 2h.
tbh my MW Champion Nordic Sword fits the bill quite well with a solid stab, superb cutting ability and a good reach (not like a paramerion tho). I've found the speed difference between medium to heavy shields to be negligible with 5 shield skill, besides using the absolute heaviest option available (steel shield, long pavise) but even then it's not so bad. Huscarl's shield works just fine for me in duels and NA1, though spammier 1handers using a scimmy/cleaver are a bit of a crapshoot to deal with regardless without relying on outranging them.
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Right now? Shield.
Server is full to the brim almost every day with cancerchers and being a shielder is basically the only way to beat them (Even then it's still fucking annoying to do) but it gets better from having a shield.
Definitely go for a shield if you don't want your head to be full of cancerous arrows.
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Server is full to the brim almost every day with cancerchers and being a shielder is basically the only way to beat them
people who aren't shielders or ranged are users of these
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pretty much sums up current 2h/pole meta apart from the occassional longsword or mercenary sword
enjoy your shield
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pretty much sums up current 2h/pole meta apart from the occassional longsword or mercenary sword
enjoy your shield
8 ATH s key meta lol
In all seriousness, people have been resistant to change because they don't want to step outside their comfort zone in regards to their tactics, so they instead switch weapons to better punish people who are not 2h "heroes." IMHO, NA1 isn't really a very accurate portrayal of what cRPG is all about: teamwork.
That's the main reason I prefer Strat, since it's much more objective driven AND you have to work with what you have, which is especially true now since it's still early Strat.
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pretty much sums up current 2h/pole meta apart from the occassional longsword or mercenary sword
enjoy your shield
Precisely why I mentioned that it was still fucking hard to do :p
But yeah, it's a shit META atm..
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Or just do this.
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But yeah take a shield. Its amazing for group fights and helps vs ranged. If you dont want the shield, you can always drop it or not equip it. At least 4 shield, 5 is better, which isn't much overall.
+3 Hand is OP
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Knightly Arming Sword and Short sword (+3 104 speed :lol:) and some more
1h no shield is fun, but only when theres not too much ranged around.
27/21 swashbuckler OP
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Knightly Arming Sword and Short sword (+3 104 speed :lol:) and some more
1h no shield is fun, but only when theres not too much ranged around.
27/21 swashbuckler OP
I am on the band wagon no shield with 1h is best 1h style.
The only plus i have with the shield is that it can block ranged and that is the only thing i have used it for, because 1h without shield is better in every other field, your nudges are to.
In a fight the shield fucks with my playstyle as i am quite agressive with chambers, spam and nudges and shield block delay fucks that up for me.
Swashbuckler highfive to swashbucklers !
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I like shields but in my experience some of the long polearms and 2handers can sometimes get beyond/around your shield.
It feels like when you have a shield it makes it so that your block is a little further out from character than if your blocking with a weap, allowing people to get behind the shield sometimes if they hug you and have that good reach.
Some really good archers will shoot below your shield and hit ur footsiez too.
If you see something that has bonus against shield or crushthrough its a good idea to throw it on your back.
I laugh when I see people double shield, totally ruins accel / run speeds, not sure if that still applies.
Its kind of hard to notice a big diff between 3-6 shielding, ive tried 7 shield pts once, but it didnt ever really compensate for that tiny block delay. Or that minor delay from shield up to attack.
1hand dueling is def. pretty good, altho, ive seen alota 2h spammies outswing 1handers witha kinghtly arming sword and other such spamitars.
These days tho im a little more focused on weaps that are good against plate heroes. Its kinda frustrating to 1h duel someone and hit them 5-6 times w/ 24 str and still not kill em. Guess you gotta have the patience and perserverence to 1h/shield....
Fighting axe was one of my fav 1hand weaps, good reach & speed w/fair dmg. Hate bein outreached constantly thou...
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Get shield skill, but don't force yourself to always carry/use one. They are fantastic against ranged, and not being able to hold up a shield in strat is a huge mistake.
But, speed is the key to winning 1v1 or small group fights with a 1H weapon. Like others have said, shields are slower than manual blocks. Blocking manually makes it easier to drop your block and do some fancy footwork. You need to be able to move in and out of range, sidestep, etc. when you play 1H in small fights.
In big blob teamfights, use your shield. There are too many attacks to react to all of them manually. Helps your allies too.
My favorite 1H weapons are those with high speed and a strong thrust attack. Side sword, Scottish sword, Milanese sword, long espada eslavona. Being able to attack faster than your opponent is the best attribute of 1H, so push that advantage as much as you can with item stats. Good thrust damage is vital for fighting tincans. You can beat them with swings, but you are handicapping yourself.
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Get shield skill, but don't force yourself to always carry/use one. They are fantastic against ranged, and not being able to hold up a shield in strat is a huge mistake.
But, speed is the key to winning 1v1 or small group fights with a 1H weapon. Like others have said, shields are slower than manual blocks. Blocking manually makes it easier to drop your block and do some fancy footwork. You need to be able to move in and out of range, sidestep, etc. when you play 1H in small fights.
In big blob teamfights, use your shield. There are too many attacks to react to all of them manually. Helps your allies too.
My favorite 1H weapons are those with high speed and a strong thrust attack. Side sword, Scottish sword, Milanese sword, long espada eslavona. Being able to attack faster than your opponent is the best attribute of 1H, so push that advantage as much as you can with item stats. Good thrust damage is vital for fighting tincans. You can beat them with swings, but you are handicapping yourself.
uh thanks but its been like a month since i first opened this thread witchcraft
i mean jeez if u wanna talk to me so badly you can pm me or get my steam, senpai :oops:
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boi forget about shield shield is for my old friendz, and rico gtfo you are out of your element.