Fuck yes, its is 200% immersion breaking, hiding in the bushes lost it's meaning, it removes the aspect of surprise. So gey aswell
It's more a kind of "exploiting" imo.
General rules
•No exploiting of any kind
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thats how ghost bush look like.
devs should really add a simple file check so people cant do this or alter the game files in any fashion. adopted mods like heirloom pack could be checked for integrity as well
Way better than leave it to (never biased and never brocoding and never otherwise "not so objective") admins...
hiding isn't a viable strategy
Yes but its not against the rules afaik
Like we really need to keep giving players a reason to leave
I can't believe people are raging over the fact that tinkering with your models and textures client side should be restricted or overseen.
Some people really find something rageworthy in every little thing...
Well first of all in response to Digglez and Hirlok;
A whitelist/blacklist for textures that is applied at startup wouldn't be enough, because people could easily circumvent that. Textures/meshes can be replaced once the game has already started and when you enter multiplayer/a server your textures/meshes load. There would have to be a check every time a player tries to enter a server.
That is to say even if we had a startup check for a whitelist of client-side files, people could still just replace textures once their game is started. You could literally just keep a folder with all your normal textures and a folder with all your neon pink textures, and just swap it out once your past the check and your multiplayer match will load the neon pink textures. It would take a cheater like two extra button clicks and 8 seconds.
The other problem is that you are crimping the creative freedom of cRPG players who want to design items for themselves or the public, or just mod the game to have fun.
Keep in mind this post has ONLY upvotes.
(Its late and i didnt read the whole thread so im sorry if this was talked about already, I saw title and remembered this post.)
i would gladly accept instructions how to remove bushes, i dont see why some people would have that advantage over the others.
I'd ban ppl i see doing that.
I'd ban ppl i see doing that.
I'd ban ppl i see doing that.
It's more a kind of "exploiting" imo.QuoteGeneral rules
•No exploiting of any kind
Someone PM on how to get rid of the bushes and fog. It's not that i want to use it to my advantage i just want more fps than 30.
cRPG now:
- no fog
- no flora
- transparent walls
- neon weapons
So many abusing without any penalty.
We need file check - if there is file changes - not able to join server.
You forgot Macro feinting which is a large problem.
Someone PM on how to get rid of the bushes and fog. It's not that i want to use it to my advantage i just want more fps than 30.
Just use dx7. If you allready are then try scary mod.
Thing is, i use dx7 and use all low settings, still get lower than 30 fps on most maps
Thing is, i use dx7 and use all low settings, still get lower than 30 fps on most maps
What is this, 1997? Stop being so poor.
Then use scary mod. Graphics become even more shit but it makes the game more playable.Will check it out tomorrow thanks!
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/scary-mod-(for-native-1-158-crpg-0-304)-crpg-optimization-updated-19-10-2013/
What the hell are people playing on that causes them to get 30fps in a game where you should be breaking at least 300fps on any hardware made in the past ten years
just added a 640x480 monitor yo and I'm on dialup 28.8 modem.
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Post the player's name so we can publicly shame them. Shoot first, ask questions later.
If you want it to be balance for everyone and that no one can cheats with bushes. Tell cRPG map manager to remove all bushes and grasses. should make it fairer than what we have now. though it will be alot of work
You forgot Macro feinting which is a large problem.Why did you use the capital M
Why did you use the capital M
His name is DRZ_
every ranged player whose name starts with that.
Also, found out from one of the admins that "aim hacks" are allowed and not bannable and rather common. Makes me kind of sad, lost a lot of respect for certain ranged players that i know are mod-crazy and will use any advantage or that were terrible for months and then overnight became good.. Old school no cheating only way to real skill, much better than cheap e-peenery through cheating.
Macros also are rather common, at least in NA, for feint-swings.
I got a name : Druzhina seka. I'm almost sure he has been removing textures. I was into a place with bushes+trees (=very dense flora, green leaves everywhere), still, he killed me, without missing once (fired one arrow from 40/50 metters, did kill me). Either it was huge luck, or it was this bullshit of textures removal. Believe me or not, I'm sure at 75% it was textures removal.
but introducing "show banners above enemy" in wse2 didnt break immersion?
I never had to use my own glorious dry leaves deluxe mod (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/to-crush-your-enemies-see-them-driven-before-you/) on public servers cause with enemy banners, there's no need for that.
Its just: see banner, aim a bit below into the fauna. maybe bump before that just for the heck of it - cause its most likely some random xbow guy anyway
DRZ passed around that mod to remove textures among their players since strat 1. Most of their ranged use it. Its what they do - cheat as far as they can get away with it. Thats always been the biggest issue with them and UIF, not even the giant alliance, but that all the cheaters allied together and help each other cheat. No ethics whatsoever.
DRZ passed around that mod to remove textures among their players since strat 1. Most of their ranged use it. Its what they do - cheat as far as they can get away with it. Thats always been the biggest issue with them and UIF, not even the giant alliance, but that all the cheaters allied together and help each other cheat. No ethics whatsoever.These bastards, they didn't share that mod with me back when I was ranged and in the clan... :evil:
No need to be mad cos NA ranged are shitonly ranged? :twisted:
only ranged? :twisted:
I'd say it's about as much of a cheat as show banners above enemy, or the heirloom pack, so it's in the sort-of-but-not-really gray area.
It might even be less helpful for long distance aiming vs show banners, plus show banners helps you target certain players.
Making walls transparent and removing fog is just super blatant cheating though.
I don't think its possible to remove fog without the source code of cRPG though
Also, found out from one of the admins that "aim hacks" are allowed and not bannable and rather common.
Only reason I dont use heirloom pack is I cant be arsed to keep reinstalling it.
Personally I see no line between exploiting and cheating, also. To exploit a bug is cheating.
They just need to update this:
No exploiting of any kind
NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance
NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits
NOT OK: Leaving and rejoining to server to spawn more than once in a round
Add:
NOT OK: Altering game files for personal advantage
They need to draw a clear line between altering files for personal aesthetics and altering files for personal advantage. OK: Different looking Flamberge. NOT OK: Levelling out terrain elements such as foliage. Personally I would also add that game assets should still resemble what they represent, IE no orange weapons etc
The first thing is to be clear with the rules, the next is to think about how to enforce it. Maybe they can't enforce it, but encouraging a shitty gaming culture doesn't help.
Who decides what a bug is though? Stabbing through team mates/walls is cheating?.
This falls under clever/skillful use of game mechanics. If your character can physically do it then its either fair or in the grey area
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lol Raylin what the heck is that, how is that going to help someone in battle? :shock:
lol Raylin what the heck is that, how is that going to help someone in battle? :shock:
How will a wallhack help someone? Does it need asking?
Got question for some moders/devs its possible(legal?) to remove night effect on some siege maps, because some weapons like steelpick/dadao/miadao are same color as floor (dark grey) and its hard to see them fighting in dark?Possible=yes,but I think you would have to do it for all maps,dont thinks its possible to just do it for some.
Both buildings and bushes serves a gameplay purpose, one forcing movement and the other lowering visibility (and to some extent movement as well). Same goes for neon weapons. Shouldn't there be skill involved in spotting your opponents gear or remembering where you missed that arrow? We praise blocking, but there are many more ways to be skillful in a game.
Games strive to be equal, in the sense that everyone has the same starting conditions. Regardless of skill I can always assume that my opponent sees what I sees and have to obey to the same rules as I do. When you start altering this to your own benefit, being able to ignore various visibility issues (which are core elements in any competitive game), you're cheating, for the simply reason that not everyone has the ability do the same (within the frame of the game).
Now, that being said, the game allows you to alter it without any real consequences, and currently there is no way for us to enforce rules about this. You can't ban people on speculations and hearsay.
In short, it's cheating but we can't do anything about it.
Now, that being said, the game allows you to alter it without any real consequences, and currently there is no way for us to enforce rules about this. You can't ban people on speculations and hearsay.
In short, it's cheating but we can't do anything about it.
The only real conversation left to have in this thread is: punk buster or battle eye?
The only real conversation left to have in this thread is: punk busteror battle eye?
Talk about real anticheat please !
The only real conversation left to have in this thread is: punk buster or battle eye?
There is no such thing as real anti cheat. Any such measures will be circumvented eventually
I don't think its really that hard to stop it, if you're designing a game from the top down. I'm pretty sure you stick all of those files into one file, and then run a check CRC or whatever the fuck that guy said before. Maybe even encrypt it??? I think that's a word.
Mount and Blade has those files accessible by nature, and intended to be modded. So it's that easy. Plus it's made by Hungarians or whatever the fuck, and its 10 years old. If you remember, it was pretty easy to mod CS 1.6 and have pure red textures and green textures for T/CT.
Those programs won't help cRPG in any way since bushes etc are client side it will be impossible to detect cheat from a user. Unless cRPG is officially a game not a mod then it might be possible. i've spoke to cmp a long time ago about this issue on IRC he said he won't ban people for it.PunkBuster could be used to detect graphical cheats, by comparing a screenshot of what the players sees with what the server see.
PunkBuster Admins can request actual screenshot samples from specific players and/or can configure the PB Server to randomly grab screenshot samples from players during gameplay. However, it is possible for a game hack to block screenshots (producing a cropped screenshot) or remove all visual features of a hack (cleaning the screenshot) to remain undetected, leaving the effectiveness of this feature diminished.As the quote states, it is possible to workaround this, but it would make graphical cheats much harder make. I don't know if it is possible to get PunkBuster to work with cRPG or not though.
I don't know if it is possible to get PunkBuster to work with cRPG or not though.
GO TO HELL TOO LAZY BUSH REMOVERS
And nothing of value would be lost.
...i really dont think they care ( donkey crew ) Tydeus put up a vid of him killing and being killed( you know the one, set to bangerang ), you can see from the video he uses the same things, ( colored weapons, brush removal, add that to show names cheat and he can see through anything? )
The guy they have as "balencer", does all this shit and worse...i dont think its going to change, i really dont think donkey crew cares, i really REALLY dont think they understand the impact this will have on their new game. after the way crpg has gone i wont be buying M:bg thats for sure.
Well personally I like some bush it ads character to that certain area but I don't mind if it's removed either though
No its not. Hes saying they can't actually stop people cheating. I'm saying you can combat cheating just through your attitude towards mod tweaking..until they actually say its against the rules to tweak in certain ways then they will continue to encourage a negative gaming culture. They say you can mod what you like, so you get people using coloured weapons, flattening out bushes, making walls translucent. People aren't having to make a conscious decision to be a cheater, because they technically aren't with the attitude the devs have to modding in the game
Problem is, what use is it to say it is against the rule if you cannot detect people doing it it? It would only lead to Thomeks banning people on presumption.
Problem is, what use is it to say it is against the rule if you cannot detect people doing it it? It would only lead to Thomeks banning people on presumption.
I believe in level playing fields in games
NARMY still accepting applications.(click to show/hide)
are your graphics so high or is it some realism mod-thingy?(click to show/hide)
you can combat cheating just through your attitude
Which he would never do otherwise
i use to dual box and that allow incoming trade button was put in because of me.