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Title: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: chadz on February 01, 2011, 12:50:10 am
So, I'm (somewhat) back. It might take some time till I have dug through all messages I got, and by the sheer mass of it I'm afraid I'll skip quite a few, sorry about that :P

Anyway, I was thinking - would people be interested in a clan competition?

This would add a third kind of gameplay to the game.
First there is the public game, normal battles, sieges, and other upcoming gamemodes.
Then there is strategus, it's a highly suited for clan controls, but it's far from a fair battleground.
And then there could be a ladder, a highly standardized competition where clans fight other clans in clear conditions.

As it would be a bit silly to let everyone use their standard cRPG Equipment (people would just have the urge to grind gold naked before a match, that's not the point of it), it could be something like this:

- There's a list of clans, sorted by rank (#1 to # 123)
- Clans can attack people some ranks higher than them
- Maps can be picked by either side (Defender choses first map, attacker choses 2nd map, server decides tie breaker)
- The amount of gold is randomized and the same for both teams - this means that, for the entire clan, you get gold between (just some figures) 30k and 1000k.
- you can then buy items for your members. Due to the randomness of the money, every match will be different - could be peasant fight, could be plated match.
- every server (doesn't need to be an official one) can host a match, the clans just have to agree on one.
- gamemode will be either pure battle, OR clans choice (defenders select map+gamemode, side could be switched after every round)
- after the game is played, the winners defend their rank or move up to the rank and move the other clan lower.

Are people in general interested in this? Or isn't this cRPG-ish enough?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tristan on February 01, 2011, 12:54:27 am
This... This would be awesome....

I tried to do something similar with my clan tournament, but this would outshine it by far...

Rock on!
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Leiknir on February 01, 2011, 01:08:33 am
Sounds interesting, but there was not that much interest in Aemaelius player driven personal tournament, and only ~6 different clans did show interest in his clan-ladder.
I would rather have some simple more refreshing gamemodes like conquest, and let tournaments be player driven
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: EliteDragon on February 01, 2011, 01:12:00 am
Although this is great idea chadz, it might not work too well atm with the low number of clans. Your idea would be much better when our clan count increases which would increase the likelihood of more clans participating.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tristan on February 01, 2011, 01:12:50 am
Sounds interesting, but there was not that much interest in Aemaelius player driven personal tournament, and only ~6 different clans did show interest in his clan-ladder.
I would rather have some simple more refreshing gamemodes like conquest, and let tournaments be player driven

This is (sadly) true. You could outsource this and let the community run it, while giving us the tools to do so... which we actually already have (server with no balance)...

I still like the idea though...
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: jspook on February 01, 2011, 01:19:01 am
Quote
Although this is great idea chadz, it might not work too well atm with the low number of clans. Your idea would be much better when our clan count increases which would increase the likelihood of more clans participating

you are thinking about this the wrong way.
IE: the existing clan structure

instead....
make it a 10-20 man team ladder
create a registration date with maximum roster allowences and you will see the ladder fill up as people vie for team positions.
this would most likely cause the creation of NEW clans and participation.
You would even see clans fielding multiple ladder teams
The battles dont have to be huge, just tactical TDF matches on small maps.

I like the idea of randomized cash flow for each match.... but how would you enforce that?   a posted equipment list before each match?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Arked on February 01, 2011, 01:20:17 am
(...)
First there is the public game, normal battles, sieges, and other upcoming gamemodes.
(...)

Is Capture the Flag mode going to be fixed? Shogunate is willing to host a server with this gamemode.

Your idea of clan rivalization other than strategus battles sounds really good and would be great addition! :D
Shogunate, Fallen, Guards and Templars are already doing some friendly battles for fun.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: chadz on February 01, 2011, 01:30:39 am
You could outsource this and let the community run it, while giving us the tools to do so...

I'd be perfectly fine with that. It was actually your effort that made me think how clan competition could work in cRPG. That's why I think different equipment than standard cRPG is a must, so it might actually cater to other clans from other mods too, though.

So, how about this:
Every player can make a "battlegroup" on the crpg site.
You could give it a name and buy as much equipment for it as you want.
Then, it could work like this: You host a server with the gametype "battlegroups", and an admin/by vote (?) you can set a battlegroup for each team. (Two input fields, and you just enter the id of battlegroup for the first team, and the id of the battlegroup for the 2nd team).

The game reloads, people can pick whatever team they want, and can do any kind of game they want (peasants vs black knights, clan competition, etc)


Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Cannibal on February 01, 2011, 01:33:49 am
I'd be perfectly fine with that. It was actually your effort that made me think how clan competition could work in cRPG. That's why I think different equipment than standard cRPG is a must, so it might actually cater to other clans from other mods too, though.

So, how about this:
Every player can make a "battlegroup" on the crpg site.
You could give it a name and buy as much equipment for it as you want.
Then, it could work like this: You host a server with the gametype "battlegroups", and an admin/by vote (?) you can set a battlegroup for each team. (Two input fields, and you just enter the id of battlegroup for the first team, and the id of the battlegroup for the 2nd team).

The game reloads, people can pick whatever team they want, and can do any kind of game they want (peasants vs black knights, clan competition, etc)

Now that sounds like cricket.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Poetrydog on February 01, 2011, 01:34:34 am
What OP says sounds great. Don't really understand above post  :?
Oh and pure battlemode for clan battles  :)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Thomek on February 01, 2011, 01:45:48 am
Brilliant idea!

Would definitely take some pressure off strategus though, but I think there is room for both!
Why the hell don't we already have this? :-)
Also, would be a good idea to have 2 ladders, one for EU and one for NA.
Then we might have a superfinal match at some point between best EU and NA clan..

server should of course be in Iceland!
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tristan on February 01, 2011, 01:51:34 am
A small "league" council should be made to govern the league :D

But Thomek you are already into details... :D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Earthdforce on February 01, 2011, 02:25:16 am
I love it chadz, but I'd rather have strategus back first :D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tetris on February 01, 2011, 02:36:28 am
Sounds like Gladiator Battles. Roman times each "Noble" had their own battle groups. So I guess thats what your trying to do.

They would equip them and train them - etc.

P.S. Champion Battle group would govern said "League". Nothing was ever fair ;)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tetris on February 01, 2011, 02:41:36 am
chadz just a suggestion for Strategus.

Why dont you add tournaments(Held by landowners) The landowners would decide the rules,map.
And seeing that I "guess" land owners would be rich they'd set gold winnings. Then there could be bets.

Just like SP. This would give something loners on strategus to look forward to.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Burr1ck on February 01, 2011, 03:20:48 am
- Perhaps a warmup round at first for everyone to join and ready up?!
- No restrictions on items imo, all items have their strengths n flaws so it should balance.
- Please host a dedicated clan battle server with clan fight options.
- A daily/weekly livestream of clan battle footage with commentary in the background  :mrgreen: , cRPG has potential to be a good spectator cyber sport.
- A Referee to monitor the match.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Topsnus on February 01, 2011, 05:21:00 am
I would much rather the time and energy be spent on strategus, which sounds like it might finally be coming together.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: EliteDragon on February 01, 2011, 07:03:06 am
I like the idea of randomized cash flow for each match.... but how would you enforce that?   a posted equipment list before each match?

You have a pre-built list of all the equipment and just randomize the gold...it's pretty much like Native, cept the random gold.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Whalen207 on February 01, 2011, 07:22:33 am
Instead of letting the clan buy items for it's members, just split the money evenly among the members for use in any item they want.
Although this might abhor a really good player from getting the really good stuff he uses, it would make things alot less complicated.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Krakatit on February 01, 2011, 09:13:04 am
The Order of the Rose supports this idea!
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Quirian on February 01, 2011, 09:48:47 am
I like this idea :)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: krampe on February 01, 2011, 10:02:59 am
Oha im first,

No, no interest in it at all
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 01, 2011, 10:31:27 am
second ^^
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Krakatit on February 01, 2011, 10:33:39 am
Said clanless players :D At least i dont know if krampe is in some clan > faction: pony
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Quirian on February 01, 2011, 10:36:56 am
He is HRE member, and he thinks laddergames have something to do with ladderpulting people and climbing epic skyladders very fast, so actually he is just trolling!
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 01, 2011, 10:47:46 am
Said clanless players :D At least i dont know if krampe is in some clan > faction: pony
True, rather needless to say so as clanless player but i just dropped by and was a bit disappointed when I read "gamemode" that this wasn't about release of CTF, conquest, even TDM or something totally new.  :(
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: krampe on February 01, 2011, 11:08:49 am
He is HRE member, and he thinks laddergames have something to do with ladderpulting people and climbing epic skyladders very fast, so actually he is just trolling!

Eh no?! I have no interest in it. period. There are lots of other things that need improvement or implementation, but as chadz is doing this for fun noone can dictate what he should do next, so i just tell my opinion.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Quirian on February 01, 2011, 11:13:22 am
I would say that as an excuse for not knowing ladder my dear Krampe  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Christo on February 01, 2011, 11:21:14 am
So many good ideas in this topic. I like them.  :)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Fasader on February 01, 2011, 11:51:15 am
I thought it was going to be some kind of ladderpulting competition when I first saw the topic.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Olwen on February 01, 2011, 11:52:40 am
well, we'd surely take part in it but about saying if it's a good idea, well, wait and see, as always in crpg whiners will whine

but strategus features before ! :)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on February 01, 2011, 12:01:24 pm
Nice idea.

But there's no need to make it just for clans. I think a lot of clans would be interested in keeping score in a competitive thing. But I think it would be nice to not just limit it to clans.

How about also a non-clan orientated ladder? Make it like the native mixed 5 a side thing. So people form a group and give it a stupid name and then fight. And people can advertise for players, or advertise themselves as a player.

So you've got professional football, and 5 a side pub teams - two different competitions. It would need two different ladders, but it would allow clanless players to also form a team and fight, and also allow people who are in clans to get a different experience and be able to play with people who aren't in their clan - many people have friends in other clans, or who aren't in clans etc. Maybe add a rule like in native 5 a side that you can only have a limited number of same clan people in one team.

If it's just one for clans, then clanless people won't be too interested, and there are only so many clans that could even form a 15vs15 team.
 
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Stabby_Dave on February 01, 2011, 12:06:13 pm
Sounds awesome tbh. Strategus is good for clan battles but it ultimately comes down to mercs and who has best equipment. That said, I can already see the mercs topping this ladder forever.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on February 01, 2011, 12:07:40 pm
That said, I can already see the mercs topping this ladder forever.

Really? :D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Olwen on February 01, 2011, 12:28:02 pm
really.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Ganon on February 01, 2011, 12:29:34 pm
Seems like a good idea. Also i would suggest an individual ladder as well for duels (like the current duel server, but keep stats).

Edit: i aswered one question by reading the OP again
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Timotheusthereal on February 01, 2011, 12:46:49 pm
No idea, what about the strategus?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Darter on February 01, 2011, 01:08:41 pm
New ladder system? new gamemode? GREAT!!! :D
Im happy but what about balance?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,13.0.html
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: chadz on February 01, 2011, 01:16:19 pm
How about also a non-clan orientated ladder? [...] So people form a group and give it a stupid name and then fight.

This is, by (at least my) definition a clan.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Erasmas on February 01, 2011, 01:30:44 pm
Excellent idea IMO. BTW, chadz, how did your exams go?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Beauchamp on February 01, 2011, 01:54:39 pm
i like it...

(btw about clan tournament - we're to organize one very soon. we've got everything we need for that - server, simple rules we tested already live ingame with 30+ people participating that really work, special map... maybe even this weekend if i won't make open all crpg tournament instead)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: gazda on February 01, 2011, 01:59:58 pm
I think cRPG should polish current features before adding new ones  :|
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Poetrydog on February 01, 2011, 02:07:07 pm
Also I think clans should be able to participate with more than one team. So that for example the Fallen because of being a lot of active members can participate with an A and a B team  :)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Quirian on February 01, 2011, 02:10:37 pm
I prefer Strategus, but I'd like to know how many persons can fight in one ladderfight? I mean a clan can consist of 5 or 50 persons hurr?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Beauchamp on February 01, 2011, 02:36:54 pm
Also I think clans should be able to participate with more than one team. So that for example the Fallen because of being a lot of active members can participate with an A and a B team  :)

its a myth we have a lot of players, aye we have but the difference is not to big compared to other clans and there are still clans that have way more players than us.

i'd stick to clans only, no A or B teams, this would make it only complicated. i think it will be complicated already by itself.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Punisher on February 01, 2011, 02:39:28 pm
There can be different ladders, for 5v5, 10vs10 and 15vs15, don't think more is required. And maybe add some special items that can be purchased with rating points (to keep things balanced items that just have a special skin, but identical stats with a normal item, so they are just for show-off and don't affect anything else), pretty much like the arena/rated bg system from WoW.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Krakatit on February 01, 2011, 03:07:04 pm
There can be different ladders, for 5v5, 10vs10 and 15vs15, don't think more is required.

Good idea
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Yaron on February 01, 2011, 03:54:00 pm
There can be different ladders, for 5v5, 10vs10 and 15vs15, don't think more is required. And maybe add some special items that can be purchased with rating points (to keep things balanced items that just have a special skin, but identical stats with a normal item, so they are just for show-off and don't affect anything else), pretty much like the arena/rated bg system from WoW.

Dunno, I think it's too far away from chadz general idea, however, I really like the idea of a ladder system ... if I play a game I want to play it successfully and in this way you can show how successfull you/your clan are. :)


PS: Punisher's idea could be a great other idea for another gamemode though ... really like the idea of arena fights 5v5,10v10,15v15 ... especially if there would be some cool rewards, like some new colors for armor or whatever :P ... or maybe 1 free heirloom for every member of winning team ...
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Torp on February 01, 2011, 03:56:36 pm
there would have to be a limit of players - otherwise the smaller clans would get owned all the time
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Wookimonsta on February 01, 2011, 04:37:22 pm
while this seems a nice enough mode, i'd rather see other stuff like ctf or something working first.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Phyrex on February 01, 2011, 06:14:48 pm
while this seems a nice enough mode, i'd rather see other stuff like ctf or something working first.

Agreed, I have no real interest in any ladder(I don't have a clan... yet) and I would rather like to see more cRPG game modes implemented such as ctf or conquest.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: AdNecrias on February 01, 2011, 07:29:01 pm
So chadz, are you adding clan support to cRPG? Like a strategus faction but made for the regular cRPG servers... it could also be used instead of banner balance and all that...

Anyways what'd you think of a type of game where each 5 - 10 rounds the equipment available would be something like if a NPC Strategus town picked. It gets a random ammount of money and it equips it's troops for 5 rounds. Too far fetched?
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Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: HeroZero on February 01, 2011, 08:06:06 pm
Also, War Spears heirlooming needs to be fixed.

but this new mode sounds great.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Keshian on February 01, 2011, 08:11:22 pm
WE REALLLY NEED A WAY TO LINK ACCEPTANCE ON STRATEGUS TO CLAN TO ACCEPTANCE IN CRPG WITH OUR BANNER.  MANY PEOPLE ABUSING IT AND USING CLAN BANNERS TO BE ON THE SAME TEAM AS A CLAN THAT WORKS WELL TOGETHER, NOW SO MANY PEOPLE DOING IT THAT OUR OWN CLAN MATES FORCED TO OTHER TEAM BECAUSE TOO MANY PEOPLE USING OUR BANNER THAT OUR NOT IN OUR CLAN.  WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS TO USE OUR CLAN BANNER.  THANKS.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: AreTreble on February 01, 2011, 08:41:04 pm
The poll options are skewed. For those who vote: Yes. they select the first option.

Yet for those who vote no, they must select one of two (Wouldn't participate, and I would rather hate you). This divides the population of those who do not support into two bars making it seem like more people support the Yes vote in relation to the No vote.

Amirite?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 01, 2011, 09:17:02 pm
Honestly, you should just have clan fights in strategus or in native, doing it in cRPG seems pointless.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 01, 2011, 10:04:01 pm
The poll options are skewed. For those who vote: Yes. they select the first option.

Yet for those who vote no, they must select one of two (Wouldn't participate, and I would rather hate you). This divides the population of those who do not support into two bars making it seem like more people support the Yes vote in relation to the No vote.

Amirite?
In principle you're right. But this kind of polls are due to some mystical ancient crpg traditions and the "i hate you" vote is no equivalent to no. Simply ignore it.

Also, keshian, posts in full caplock-style rather tends to get ignored than getting more attention.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tristan on February 02, 2011, 12:38:28 am
Moar people needz to read this:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1574.0.html
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Beauchamp on February 02, 2011, 02:09:41 am
a bit OT, but chadz could you give 1 free heirloom to the winner of this?
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1791.0.html
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Olwen on February 02, 2011, 12:05:33 pm
CAPS TARD SPOTTED

that's all i read from your message
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Reinhardt on February 02, 2011, 01:57:05 pm
chadz just a suggestion for Strategus.

Why dont you add tournaments(Held by landowners) The landowners would decide the rules,map.
And seeing that I "guess" land owners would be rich they'd set gold winnings. Then there could be bets.

Just like SP. This would give something loners on strategus to look forward to.

+1
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Olwen on February 02, 2011, 04:44:43 pm
+1 with tetris
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: gazda on February 02, 2011, 06:12:42 pm
+1
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Meensai on February 02, 2011, 11:01:13 pm
chadz, i would just love you if you would implement that gamemode.

But first, nerf the throwers! ;D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Banok on February 03, 2011, 03:59:58 am
Don't see the point when we have strategus. its much more strategical than this idea, and therefore a better show of which is the best clan. surely rank 1 clan is one with the most holdings!
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: MountedRhader on February 03, 2011, 04:18:08 am
Tournaments and arenas eh? Sounds super cool 
I can see alot of great arena maps for this too  :D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: RamsesXXIIX on February 03, 2011, 07:25:45 am
Don't see the point when we have strategus. its much more strategical than this idea, and therefore a better show of which is the best clan. surely rank 1 clan is one with the most holdings!

You really don't know anything about strategus, do you?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Balton on February 03, 2011, 08:09:12 am
Some sort of ladder system for individual characters would be kick-ass. It would really improve the popularity of the mode.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Poetrydog on February 03, 2011, 11:22:41 am
You really don't know anything about strategus, do you?

+1
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Abay_ on February 03, 2011, 01:11:02 pm

   I want strategus back.The league idea shows cRPG a game,and I am in cRPG cos I would like to live in medieval times.I want something serious in this mod.Also I dont wanna call strategus battles ''match'' ...I dont see it is a match..It is a battle...I take strategus seriously and I want it back.

  ps:it is my personal opinion,so just respect it and dont write here some ridicilous comments.

  thanks
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Ujin on February 03, 2011, 05:20:14 pm
   I want strategus back.The league idea shows cRPG a game,and I am in cRPG cos I would like to live in medieval times.I want something serious in this mod.Also I dont wanna call strategus battles ''match'' ...I dont see it is a match..It is a battle...I take strategus seriously and I want it back.

  ps:it is my personal opinion,so just respect it and dont write here some ridicilous comments.

  thanks
Actually, i agree. Implementing some sort of a ladder system with tournaments being held IN Strategus (like in single player) would be totally brilliant. Some crpg/strategus rewards for winning would be cool too.

Player34242 - the Champion of Yalen. Player 4242342 - the champion of Sargoth  etc.. would be great.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Mustikki on February 03, 2011, 06:26:08 pm
This is one brilliant idea! :D

Propably needs a tweak to make it profitable for the landowner, i.e. bets or sumthing and restriction when it is possible to make.
Think the tournament could be a feature for Town owners.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Dunecat on February 03, 2011, 08:22:06 pm
This is one brilliant idea! :D

Propably needs a tweak to make it profitable for the landowner, i.e. bets or sumthing and restriction when it is possible to make.
Think the tournament could be a feature for Town owners.
Towns and castles, I think, could both support melee tournaments and jousting. Probably any settlement can support archery (ranged) tournaments and private duels.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Olwen on February 03, 2011, 08:28:47 pm
already seen tournaments in castles that weren't next to a town ? :x
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Gnjus on February 03, 2011, 09:13:41 pm
Probably any settlement can support archery (ranged) tournaments

Well the whole Strategos thing so far was one big archery tournament, wasn't it ? Castles especially were the hosts (with towns and villages not too far away from it). I think we had enough of that.  :wink:
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Ujin on February 03, 2011, 11:10:49 pm
A fief holder can be the one who starts the tournament (let's say only 1 time every 2-3 weeks), takes care of the prize money for winners and on the other hand the fief (be it a castle or a town) gets some temprorary bonuses while the tournament is held/after it's over , like let's say x2 population increase or resources produced for example. So both arranging and participating in tournaments would be benefitial.

Rewards coulde be either heirloomed weapons/money/resources/something else, given for both strategus and crpg.

Both Clan tournaments (group battles) and jousting/dueling tournaments can be held in Strategus, making them more connected to it and imo more epic.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Mustikki on February 04, 2011, 12:42:38 am
There is 22 Towns and 48 castles. So, the Tournaments should not be allowed to make too soon, so they would be more specific. As most would definitely want to keep it as soon as possible.

Would it be better to make Tournament's separated, as Towns for Clan's and Castles for Single player Tournaments?

Would like to hear chadz's opinion. What he thinks about these.

Or would the separated ladder system be better?


Edit: oh, the reward. maybe some kind of fief owner deciding system. Gold, Resourses, Items and Fame.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: jspook on February 04, 2011, 01:09:34 am
Whats so hard about doing both.

the proposed ladder system should have nothing to do with strategus.  strat is a giant "total war" scenario, and the ladder would be competitive team play for rankings.
small and large team combat with pre-registered TEAMS
Like a sport.
Its not about your strategus clans, or taking away from the overall gameplay at all.
Start a season with definate start and end times,
and then field a sign up sheet and see how many teams (note teams, not clans) get registered.
If there is not enough participation, then dont do it.

But, as the ladder continues, you can bet more teams will join and more people will want to join and form league teams.
I am simply envisioning TDM matches btw.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Tristan on February 04, 2011, 01:54:04 am
Keep the ladder out of strategus... Its for sports and strategus is seriooos.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: CtrlAltDe1337 on February 04, 2011, 03:47:24 am
A tournament system in strategus would be cool (like SP tournaments)...have bring your own gear mode, or standard gear provided by the host.  You'd have to pay a fee to join, and winner gets most of the money or something.  Actually we could do something like this already if strat was up, but it would rely on ppl being honest and cooperating.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Ujin on February 04, 2011, 07:50:48 am
Keep the ladder out of strategus... Its for sports and strategus is seriooos.
Sports and politics walk hand to hand.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Ganon on February 04, 2011, 08:31:37 am
I would like to point out something that might be overlooked by the devs. The servers are lagging, so any new features should take that into account.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Beauchamp on February 04, 2011, 12:22:14 pm
there are a lot of great ideas (like town owners could organize tournaments, while this would give their fief some bonus etc...). i like most of the things people said here including some official ladder game supported by devs.

soon (probably starting from next week) i will do my own ladder system for clan tournaments, hopefully with help of some other people too. i'm not going to wait weeks for some new game mode when i can make it up myself with all the possibilities crpg already enable :o)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Olwen on February 04, 2011, 12:45:42 pm
Keep the ladder out of strategus... Its for sports and strategus is seriooos.

not at all, and it'll be funnier with this kind of tournament as in SP,

 imo 1 tournament/month/faction would be more than enough, otherwise i can already see the exploits,

only for towns and the owner can choose type of tournament as in SP for ai : melee, ranged, cav, well you know what it is :) btw you shouldn't be allowed to refuse any applicant, would be lame

22 towns ... let's say there's 8 factions owning at least 1 town, up to 8 tournaments/month, more than enough
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Bjord on February 04, 2011, 02:15:58 pm
If it was to be elaborated further, chadz, that would be brilliant.

Someone already suggested a betting system. +1 to that!
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Puerco on February 04, 2011, 05:48:43 pm
Just image a strategic map 'behind the battles...People fight for 2 allied factions (they join in website). Battles determines the result of the strategic map war. Siege (towns-castles) gives bonus.

*Strategic map:

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They just fight and it gives a final result.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Kalam on February 05, 2011, 06:04:01 am
Before I retire to my bed, I typically enjoy a bit of jolly gentleman's alone time.

I believe this idea shall provide me with the stimulation required.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Krakatit on February 05, 2011, 09:52:00 am
Just image a strategic map 'behind the battles...People fight for 2 allied factions (they join in website). Battles determines the result of the strategic map war. Siege (towns-castles) gives bonus.

*Strategic map:

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They just fight and it gives a final result.

We have something similar already. It is called Strategus. Or you are really joking? :D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Sultan Eren on February 05, 2011, 03:09:20 pm
Clan teamdeathmatch or conquest can also be awesome.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Puerco on February 05, 2011, 08:01:37 pm
We have something similar already. It is called Strategus. Or you are really joking? :D
Damn, i can't explain myself...No, i wasn't joking. The idea was make something 'more tactical for CRPG. I guess Strategus is great, but sometimes you prefer something 'lighter (time). A goal for CRPG battles was what i was suggesting. Anyway, i'll make a better explained suggestion.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Reinhardt on February 07, 2011, 01:58:52 pm
Whats so hard about doing both.

the proposed ladder system should have nothing to do with strategus.  strat is a giant "total war" scenario, and the ladder would be competitive team play for rankings.
small and large team combat with pre-registered TEAMS
Like a sport.
Its not about your strategus clans, or taking away from the overall gameplay at all.
Start a season with definate start and end times,
and then field a sign up sheet and see how many teams (note teams, not clans) get registered.
If there is not enough participation, then dont do it.

But, as the ladder continues, you can bet more teams will join and more people will want to join and form league teams.
I am simply envisioning TDM matches btw.

I think this would make the loner much happier on Strategus.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Bjord on February 07, 2011, 03:55:50 pm
Whats so hard about doing both.

the proposed ladder system should have nothing to do with strategus.  strat is a giant "total war" scenario, and the ladder would be competitive team play for rankings.
small and large team combat with pre-registered TEAMS
Like a sport.
Its not about your strategus clans, or taking away from the overall gameplay at all.
Start a season with definate start and end times,
and then field a sign up sheet and see how many teams (note teams, not clans) get registered.
If there is not enough participation, then dont do it.

But, as the ladder continues, you can bet more teams will join and more people will want to join and form league teams.
I am simply envisioning TDM matches btw.

+1
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: jspook on February 07, 2011, 06:45:04 pm
I think this would make the loner much happier on Strategus.

I dont play strat.  but thanks.

I play the game for its simplicity, fun, and the fact that it isnt a huge time sink for me with my family.
A Ladder for the casual gamer like myself would be awesome.  And it would be reason enough to start lobbying to get on a team
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Radix on February 08, 2011, 12:40:35 am
would be great!! so far I had no reason to join a clan, but now, hm
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Reinhardt on February 10, 2011, 04:55:47 pm
I dont play strat.  but thanks.

I play the game for its simplicity, fun, and the fact that it isnt a huge time sink for me with my family.
A Ladder for the casual gamer like myself would be awesome.  And it would be reason enough to start lobbying to get on a team

I agree. Personally, I have a lot of time to play.  However, having a tournament system in strategus would make the loner happier as well, not making the whole purpose of Strategus only about war. I didn't fully understand your post the first time I responded.  :oops:

would be great!! so far I had no reason to join a clan, but now, hm

Crusaders of Acre. Search no more. :D
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Dexxtaa on February 11, 2011, 03:04:02 pm
I think that this is a good idea. But maybe instead of working on a new game mode, perhaps some time can be put aside for minor game balance factors *cough throwing cough* while this idea is being developed?
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Cecil on February 11, 2011, 11:05:14 pm
ban dexx for being off topic  lol ....  j/k       although I do like the idea of the ladder gamemode, I myself would like to see fine tuning of whats already out.  *caugh*  strat  *caugh*
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Roran Hawkins on February 13, 2011, 10:56:01 am
implement it already! We just ended last on the fallen tournament because of their giga-uber-mega-laggserver
and because I didn't know when you lagg like that you arn't supposed to go speed-based :D

Thisw ould be on a better server, and be way more fun for everyone
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Banok on February 28, 2011, 11:17:29 pm
After watching shogunate videos changed my mind, actually looks like fun. less strategical but more competitive than strategus.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Burr1ck on March 16, 2011, 08:06:44 pm
After watching shogunate videos changed my mind, actually looks like fun. less strategical but more competitive than strategus.

Yeh it is great fun to orgaisne your whole team with TS  :). It would be a great idea to have a ladder system which will make cRPG more competititive, strategus will be for the strategic side. 
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Beauchamp on March 17, 2011, 12:48:10 am
Yeh it is great fun to orgaisne your whole team with TS  :). It would be a great idea to have a ladder system which will make cRPG more competititive, strategus will be for the strategic side.
i have to admit i lost a bit interest in strategus since banner balance came out. my primary objective was always playing battles in an organized team and i don't quite care if they will be done in strategus or in a way more easier crpg way. 
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Erasmas on March 17, 2011, 01:53:13 am
Thats blasphemy, Beau! Please, do not discourage Mr. C from finalizing work on Strat...
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Wallace on March 17, 2011, 08:55:58 am
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Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Judgement on March 17, 2011, 11:30:03 am
Yeah it looks like a lot of fun :) If this gets implemented I'd definitely participate.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Garrus on March 17, 2011, 07:36:01 pm
Great Idea!

Quote
- Clans can attack people some ranks higher than them

It's great for lower level clans, but if we are on the top of the board then we can't attack ?

Additionally, let us attack multiple clans at the same time (for example if clans contain 5 members, our 5 men attack 10 enemy).
In this case divide the earnings, but give more rank.
Hm ?
To make the table easier to alter.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Judgement on March 17, 2011, 08:39:19 pm
Great Idea!

It's great for lower level clans, but if we are on the top of the board then we can't attack ?

I'm gonna assume you can attack lower clans if you're on top of the board. But the thing is, if you're on top of the board, would you want to risk losing rank? Since you don't have anything to gain when you're on top anyway, it's a risk without benefits.

Unless you give the clan who's on top a bonus if they challenge - and defeat - another clan in the top 5 or 10 or something. Otherwise the number one could just decline every challenge simply to stay on that position.
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Phazey on March 30, 2011, 11:02:55 am
And then there could be a ladder, a highly standardized competition where clans fight other clans in clear conditions.

Are people in general interested in this? Or isn't this cRPG-ish enough?

I think this would be great fun. I'm all for it, if you have the time to build something like that.

Not sure about allowing all the maps though. Many are quite unbalanced. Maybe limit the ladder competition to a few balanced, arena style maps?

And what about ladder useage and siege sields in the ladder?

I kinda miss strategus though. Maybe get that back up first? Or start with a simplified version of the ladder system that's easy to build? For example, pick a few balanced, arena style maps and make an official 'ladder' server that keeps track of wins and losses and has a simple web interface for setting up matches? I dunno, just thinking out loud...
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Phalanx300 on March 31, 2011, 01:48:13 pm
Thought it would be about real ladders. Featuring two spawn points where the two teams have to use ladders to connect the battlefield.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: dado on April 01, 2011, 12:30:22 am
I love it chadz, but I'd rather have strategus back first :D

yeah , first finish strategus, than we can tallk about ladder :)
Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Espu on April 01, 2011, 11:28:01 am
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Title: Re: new gamemode - ladder?
Post by: Mustikki on April 01, 2011, 01:53:51 pm
Awesome! Keep it coming Vargas! :D