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cRPG => Events & Tournaments => Topic started by: Tristan on January 26, 2011, 07:37:31 pm
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Hello all.
First round is almost done and it has been great fun. Patch has settled and with the permission to use the Fallen roleplay server we can now commence the teambattles part. This thread is created so we can discuss the format.
I will start out by presenting my thoughts so we have something to work from:
) There will be 4 catgories:
a) 5vs5, total gold limit of 150k, max 50k for any single char
b) 10vs10, total gold limit of 300k, max 50k for any single char.
c) 5vs5, no gold limit
d) 10vs10, no gold limit
) the duel is fought like a normal battle, what ever team "wins" the map wins the duel
) No limit on equipment (within gold limit) and classes
) Sign-up by writing team name and teams players + 2 (or more?) reserve
) A team can signup for all categories
) Two team in category a may join up to fight alongside eachother in category b etc.
We need to discuss map
is it ok that there is no time limit?
I'd like swiss type tournament, what do you think?
What exploits should we be aware of?
What did I forget?
Regards.
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Expect an application from Merc soon ;). We're discussing it atm.
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I'll try to form up an HRE Team :)
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No ones has a comment on map?
My only suggestion so far is Ruins... any other ideas?
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No ones has a comment on map?
My only suggestion so far is Ruins... any other ideas?
Field by the River, Ruins, Nord Town.
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Random Plains, you need at least a flat open map in there to avoid a round of rooftop campers :P
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I'd say ruins are pretty good.
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What about time. If unlimited time don't we risk too much camping?
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What about time. If unlimited time don't we risk too much camping?
if you are planning to play in native maps like ruins, there is master of the field to prevent that
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if you are planning to play in native maps like ruins, there is master of the field to prevent that
Even if there is no time?
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Even if there is no time?
don't know what you mean. if the time ends without motf spawing it means that there has been some fight (flags appear after a couple of minutes or less wihtout any killing). However in native to prevent forcing draws when a team has the upper hand we don't count rounds draw on the total, ie in a 5 round maps final score should always be 5-0, 4-1, 3-2, 2-3, 1-4 or 0-5.
I suggest you to check NPL rules if I wasn't clear enough ^^
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What I am talking about is, that I believe on the fallen rp server there is no time count down what so ever.
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What I am talking about is, that I believe on the fallen rp server there is no time count down what so ever.
that's weird, crpg has a time counter :?
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We're gonna sign up when you come up with most of the rules and we still need to decide on our roster. ALso , you can use our server for the tournament .
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well, give proper rules then we can think of something
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well, give proper rules then we can think of something
What more rules are needed besides those posted?
Added:
Map: Ruins
Time Limit: 6 min (should maybe be 7?)
Eq: Is already described
Best of 5 rounds (normal game)
What more is needed?
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well, imagine 10 HAs against a regular team, might be quite hard to win for regular one
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Yeah, some kind of limit to classes is needed. For the 5 player teams I'd say max 3 of one class, for the 10 player teams max 5. And I'd define the classes as simply melee, ranged and cavalry, with mounted ranged taking both a ranged and cav slot.
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we should have a melee only (no cav either) and a ranged+cav+melee duel.
otherwise it would just be ranged camping.
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I am not sure I am in favour of 2x4 categories, though I see the virtue of limiting to melee class.
But I do like the limit on classes.
So 4 categories (5vs5, 10vs10 both with and without gold limits)
A limit of 3 of one class (in 5vs) and 5 (10vs).
Hybrids count in both classes.
Classes are ranged, cavalry and melee.
If you got ability to throw, but bring no throwing weapons you count as only melee etc. etc.
Sounds fun?
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how to check if the opponent isn't using more cash than rules say ?
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how to check if the opponent isn't using more cash than rules say ?
How about a non-biased referee for every match as a spectator ?
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still ^^ he can't see how much money each team spends
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He can make a crude estimate though, but who would honestly bother to look through every detail of everyone's armor, then sum it all up? Maybe everyone should post their equipment on the forums beforehand?
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He can make a crude estimate though, but who would honestly bother to look through every detail of everyone's armor, then sum it all up? Maybe everyone should post their equipment on the forums beforehand?
This is an option.
Another is to believe our fellow gamers are not cheaters.
Lastly if their entire outfit is plated chargers we got the feeling somethings off.
I like the idea that people post what they wear. This way makes it easy for players to estimate if something is fishy or not.
Without giving a tactical advantage to the opponenet we could ask a neutral non-participating referee to be the judge.
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This is an option.
Another is to believe our fellow gamers are not cheaters.
Lastly if their entire outfit is plated chargers we got the feeling somethings off.
I like the idea that people post what they wear. This way makes it easy for players to estimate if something is fishy or not.
Without giving a tactical advantage to the opponenet we could ask a neutral non-participating referee to be the judge.
Yepyep. Send the equipment list in a PM to a ref... sounds like the best option.
Don't see a problem with it really, clans will have to list all the equipment and count the costs anyways amongst themselves, so only extra work is copy+paste and sending the PM.
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Also like to see a set armour, but you bring your own weapons one
That'd be fun and fun for many people :D
The armour would be the tunics over mail, with the arena hats, leather boots and mail mittens
It'd give it a more touramenty feel I think :)
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it'd be a native tournament, not a crpg one ^^
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Also like to see a set armour, but you bring your own weapons one
That'd be fun and fun for many people :D
The armour would be the tunics over mail, with the arena hats, leather boots and mail mittens
It'd give it a more touramenty feel I think :)
This no. Everything is allowed and customizable. I know it is "less" fair... But its cRPG.
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Caravan Guild is interested and waiting for further rules.
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I will compose something tomorrow, trying to make a sign-up.
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Hybrids count in both classes.
Define Hybrid please. Am I a hybrid just because I use a spear as sidearm with my thrower? If yes, every ranged class that carries uses a melee weapon should be counted as hybrid.
I think a simple "max 2 cav" rule would solve most the balance problems, everything else is just bad choices. Enemy got 5 throwing lance throwers? Sit back and long range them with your archers. You participate with 5 2hand spammers without bringing your own ranged, well, bad luck, bring a squad of huscarls, you win.
And please less gold limit. A limit of 100k for 5 players is enough. You want some fancy cav? Prepare to bring peasants.
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i still suggest that you have a melee only tournament (no cav either)
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Define Hybrid please. Am I a hybrid just because I use a spear as sidearm with my thrower? If yes, every ranged class that carries uses a melee weapon should be counted as hybrid.
I think a simple "max 2 cav" rule would solve most the balance problems, everything else is just bad choices. Enemy got 5 throwing lance throwers? Sit back and long range them with your archers. You participate with 5 2hand spammers without bringing your own ranged, well, bad luck, bring a squad of huscarls, you win.
And please less gold limit. A limit of 100k for 5 players is enough. You want some fancy cav? Prepare to bring peasants.
I get where you are going, any one else has a viewpoint on this?
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Yep simply limit it to 2 cav, that should be enough to keep it fair :)
Greets
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I get where you are going, any one else has a viewpoint on this?
leiknir is a cheap ass, my stuff is worth 50k :D
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leiknir is a cheap ass, my stuff is worth 50k :D
And if you really want to shine as a hero, what is better to get 4 peasants with 12500g to protect? You would look double awesome between them
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true, i'll just give them weapons and peasant outfits, anyway i can beat 5 sea raiders alone ;)
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more than 20k per guy. Something about 25-30
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Define Hybrid please. Am I a hybrid just because I use a spear as sidearm with my thrower? If yes, every ranged class that carries uses a melee weapon should be counted as hybrid.
I think a simple "max 2 cav" rule would solve most the balance problems, everything else is just bad choices. Enemy got 5 throwing lance throwers? Sit back and long range them with your archers. You participate with 5 2hand spammers without bringing your own ranged, well, bad luck, bring a squad of huscarls, you win.
And please less gold limit. A limit of 100k for 5 players is enough. You want some fancy cav? Prepare to bring peasants.
I still say we need more of a limit on classes. Without limits to classes we'll just end up with everyone being a hybrid with some kind of ranged weapon. 3/5 max of melee, ranged and cav still sounds fine. Melee=only melee weapons and shields (and maybe ladders, siege shields if they're allowed). Ranged=Anyone with a ranged weapon, so hybrids would count as ranged. Cav=anyone mounted (maybe with HAs/HTs counting as both ranged and cav? mounted ranged has always been pretty strong when few players are involved
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I still say we need more of a limit on classes. Without limits to classes we'll just end up with everyone being a hybrid with some kind of ranged weapon.
Why do you think this? and what is the problem with it?
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Because its the most powerful option. Why take only a 2h when you can also grab some throwing or a crossbow. And cav is going to run into problems when there are so many ranged weapons. Native experience tells me you need to limit classes or ranged will dominate. IG has done tournaments like this before. And the reason why is just that I find it boring when ranged is dominant, I'd much prefer to see all 3 types on the battlefield.
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SOmething tells me that it will all get balanced out by the general metagame?
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I'm not so sure, but if I'm the only one who isn't, there's no point in debating it further.
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I'm not so sure, but if I'm the only one who isn't, there's no point in debating it further.
You're not the only one.
If there aren't limits on ranged, everyone will take a ranged weapon and there will be no point in bringing cav (unless it's HA or Javalry) or infantry. 2handers will be as useless as they are in native battles or in strategus. It'll be like everyone choosing rhodok xbowman - it makes it really really boring.
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If there aren't limits on ranged, everyone will take a ranged weapon and there will be no point in bringing cav
So everyone will just bring a pike with their empty slots?
Best way to limit hybrids is by using a low gold limit. 20k per player, but the team might distribute the gold how they want (5 players = 100k, team can give 1 player 50k and the other 4 12,5k). Wont allow everyone to use ranged.
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I will talk to the guys in spartans and see but think we could be in for 5 maybe 7.
I like the idea.
For us money is not a super big issue. but would be nice to be able to use 40k:P
When it comes to classes it would be some problems, but maybe we could be 2 sword and 3spear even though sword and spear is our "thing".
Maps we are very liberal as long as there is no place for roof camp our unreachable spots.
Have only read fast through the other post so tell me if i missed anything
PS: What about server ping? where located?
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the ninjas would like to participate, but we're gonig to have trobule with the class limit...?
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Does this have any interest? With the fallens running the saturday tournaments I am unsure if this hold interest? Maybe the other format works better?
Advantages of doing it with preschedualed and swiss type tournament over a long time:
Many more teams can participate (no limited numbers)
Many more teams have an easier time to find time to participate
More rules options for equipment and maptypes
cons:
People will retire when it is over a long period
there is already clan battles, do we even need another?
Indivudal schedualing is bothersome and not worth it?
etc.
So what do you think?
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i think you have to start something to really find out if others want it or not. in the worst case it will be a disaster, but its still better than doing nothing.
i of course personally prefer the format i'm doing: simple funny events done within 1 session and short time (like 2 hours maximum) with simple rules and no or almost no registrations. but i'm quite sure that there will be others that would like to see some other formats that give less luck based results than fallen tournaments. (like a few people complained about "best of one" match in playoffs in last tournament i made hehe)
edit: btw i won't do more than 1 tournament/week and i believe people are greedy for more than 1/14 days all crpg tournament and 1/14 days clan tournament (and if i make cavalry duels sometimes, it means 1/21 days for specific tournament and maybe even more if i find out another tournament format i'd like to try out).
i really believe in 1 session events, this is what i kinda wanted to start up.
since begining i thought that anybody could do exactly the same 1session tournament (or similar with some improvements he'd like to try out) like i do if he likes organizing people and making events (he doesn't even have to be a fallen). i have nothing against giving him a fallen server with our map for that. and when i introduce finally some ladder system for clans, all these tournaments similar to the format i'm trying out organized by different people could be counted into that (if the guy organizing the event would be fine with that of course...).