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Title: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 03:02:11 am
               Good evening, cRPG community. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the fun of playing a game that I like - the security of a clan, the tranquility of repetition after each wipe. I enjoy them as much as any player. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with many clan's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of new Strategus, I thought we could mark past December the 23rd, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by not attacking each other and have a little chat.

               There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into team speak channels, and men with political power will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the lordly armors and master work weapons may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with Strategus, isn't there? Cruelty, cheating, injustice and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to have a fief, to think and speak THE TRUTH as you saw fit, you now have cheater who don't want you to know whats going on. How did this happen? Who's to blame? (duh?!) Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into YOUR BATTLE ROSTER.

                I know why you did it. I know you were suspicious. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, cheating and extermination. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your moral sense. Confusion got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now UIF. They promised you gold, they promised you military power, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last month I sought to end that silence. Tonight I'm breaking their lies, to remind this community of what it has forgotten.

                More than 1.5 years ago a great mod developer wished to embed the early April (2010) forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the community that fun, fairness and justice, are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this cheaters remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the twenty third of December to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel (RAGE), and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from last Xmas, outside the gates of Dhirim, and together we shall give them a 23rd of December that shall never, ever be forgot!

Multiple accounts :


Battles ID's (to compare)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=637 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=637)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=730 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=730) (infamous bugged battle)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=778 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=778)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=828 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=828)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=842 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=842)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=845 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=845)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=900 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=900)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=910 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=910)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=927 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=927)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=951 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=951)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=962 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=962)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=963 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=963)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=966 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=966)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=979 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=979)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=981 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=981)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=982 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=982)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=995 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=995)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1001 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1001)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1004 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1004)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1005 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1005)
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1047 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1047)

(I did not follow it earlier or later than that I'm sorry)

Market for the cRPG items on Russian forum

I didn't search more than this, make your own research

Exploits :

visitors can't see pics , please register or login



If anything I said is wrong or made up. I accept that I should be IP banned and never return to cRPG again. I've waited 1.5 months to take someone to take action, no one did and I believe the community needs to know.

Noc out.

Edit: Updated with more battle ID's



Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 03:08:00 am
  • http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusmnb.ru%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D13267.0&act=url
  • http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusmnb.ru%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D13267.0&act=url

I didn't search more than this, make your own research

Market for IRL money, missing information sorry about that.

IRL money as :

-Hey Noc how much for your MW Horn Bow?
-75$ Bro


http://rusmnb.ru/index.php?topic=10658.0 Second $$$ thread (39 pages)
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Anwyl on January 19, 2012, 03:13:27 am
That's kind of shoddy.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2012, 03:14:39 am
Because female logic cannot comprehend such complex things.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Anwyl on January 19, 2012, 03:23:58 am
Because female logic cannot comprehend such complex things.

You're an idiot Xant. Troll elsewhere.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 03:28:29 am
Well besides the part where you hereby lost all my respect, i wish you good luck with this and hope you get something out of it.

Next time wait till someone gets the time to check on your accusations.

Also this "i should be banned" bullshit is kinda sad :/
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 03:32:09 am
Well besides the part where you hereby lost all my respect, i wish you good luck with this and hope you get something out of it.

Next time wait till someone gets the time to check on your accusations.

I've been waiting far too long, nobody will check it and when I came to that conclusion I've lost respect to whole staff. Its been more than a month now, you'll never ever check it, just be honest.

Also this "i should be banned" bullshit is kinda sad :/

Yeah I'm not like these autoblocker bundle of stickss, sorry about that. If I did something I accept the consequences
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nebun on January 19, 2012, 03:33:43 am
lol :)) you are a funny guy :)
rohmir :)) cmp asked me about him, and checked logs i believe, and in logs u will see that me and rohmir play at the same time on same server and on 2 different static ips, rearly but it happens :)

i hope u will get banned for falce accusations detective Poirot.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nebun on January 19, 2012, 03:35:40 am
You just a moderator of Turkish part of the forum. stUff
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 03:42:44 am
You just a moderator of Turkish part of the forum. stUff

You used to be trial admin and youve lost that even I know you'll say "no I quit myself" ironic isnt it? I know Cmp asked you about it, why didn't you post it on the forum?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,22601.msg335953.html#msg335953

Where is your name in that or your brother?
Where is your brother in all the battle rosters?

well, Do you even have a brother?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: JihadistMexican on January 19, 2012, 03:43:39 am
GL Nocti. People who did that should get punished. I get the feeling that a lot of people will hate you tho :(
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Loki on January 19, 2012, 03:47:18 am
lol :)) you are a funny guy :)
rohmir :)) cmp asked me about him, and checked logs i believe, and in logs u will see that me and rohmir play at the same time on same server and on 2 different static ips, rearly but it happens :)

i hope u will get banned for falce accusations detective Poirot.

Your nonsense really pisses me off Nebun, we've had russian players try to join DRZ as spies but when we found out that they were required to give their username and password to join we halted.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 19, 2012, 04:06:47 am
i hope u will get banned for falce accusations detective Poirot.

By false you mean threads clearly saying "I'm selling this sword for 300+ rubles?"

We are not illiterate, nor are we that stupid.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 04:07:29 am
Your nonsense really pisses me off Nebun, we've had russian players try to join DRZ as spies but when we found out that they were required to give their username and password to join we halted.

too many typos double post, I'm not even worried
-ehehe tr sub mod YOUR MOM IS FAT
you know that kind of reaction.

Ok lets say YES I'm wrong about him! what an asshole I am. What about rest of the guys in the list? am I wrong about all of them? and he knew nothing about it? that he have no idea whats going on in his own clan?

Right
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Leesin on January 19, 2012, 04:14:35 am
Selling items for real money, lol, looks nicely organised too and like it isn't something they've only just started doing, that alone should see them perma banned from gone from the mod forever, very sad.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 04:19:12 am
I'll just advice everyone accused here to not get involved in trash talk and just wait this out.
It's not like there will be bans just because that list is online now.

We'll contact people in question individually, nothing from official side will be in this thread.
Also this will in no way happen faster because someone felt like he needs to play the hero.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old Autobus on January 19, 2012, 04:23:03 am
If anything I said is wrong or made up. I accept that I should be IP banned and never return to cRPG again.

Ok lets say YES I'm wrong about him!

Bye Nocti, i'll miss you.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 19, 2012, 04:26:00 am
Also this will in no way happen faster because someone felt like he needs to play the hero.
There is a smidge difference between hero and "been a month, I think I'm being ignored."
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Leesin on January 19, 2012, 04:32:32 am
I'll just advice everyone accused here to not get involved in trash talk and just wait this out.
It's not like there will be bans just because that list is online now.

We'll contact people in question individually, nothing from official side will be in this thread.
Also this will in no way happen faster because someone felt like he needs to play the hero.

I should hope there will be bans when they have a forum selling heirlooms for real money.

Plus people wouldn't have to post it publicly after a month of waiting if it got dealt with in that time.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 04:38:45 am
I'll just advice everyone accused here to not get involved in trash talk and just wait this out.
It's not like there will be bans just because that list is online now.

We'll contact people in question individually, nothing from official side will be in this thread.
Also this will in no way happen faster because someone felt like he needs to play the hero.

I'm not a hero, I'm a villain. Because I give private information about cheating to public.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 04:41:24 am
Point is, no matter what it won't be public.

There is a smidge difference between hero and "been a month, I think I'm being ignored."

Sure is, there is also a huge difference between posting random peoples names on here accusing them of multi accounting without actual evidence and those forum links with obvious stuff in them.

The first one is utter bs, the second one i started looking into today about 15 hours ago and will now stop that and not care any more because i lost all my motivation to waste time on it if someone thinks the lynch mob is a better solution.
 
If someone is doing official stuff for us and even if it is just a moderating a sub forum i expect them to contact someone before he goes ahead and posts this.

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 19, 2012, 04:45:17 am
second one i started looking into today about 15 hours ago and will now stop that and not care any more because i lost all my motivation to waste time on it if someone thinks the lynch mob is a better solution.

I find that that adorable. <3

cRPG has always been rather fond of Lynch mods, as the previous "Give us the names to tar and feather!" for the autoblocker ban threads.  :lol:

I get your point though.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 04:52:33 am
Point is, no matter what it won't be public.

Sure is, there is also a huge difference between posting random peoples names on here accusing them of multi accounting without actual evidence and those forum links with obvious stuff in them.

The first one is utter bs, the second one i started looking into today about 15 hours ago and will now stop that and not care any more because i lost all my motivation to waste time on it if someone thinks the lynch mob is a better solution.
 
If someone is doing official stuff for us and even if it is just a moderating a sub forum i expect them to contact someone before he goes ahead and posts this.

I offered witnesses, you can check the logs too, cmp can check it chadz can check it. Cmp asked me "are you sure? " I said yes and I'll bring witnesses too. I cannot prove anything since I cannot access to logs. How can I? but I can give solid examples.

About second one :

Jan 13 13:15:50 <Noctivagant>   http://rusmnb.ru/index.php?topic=10658.0
Jan 13 13:16:10 <Noctivagant>   http://rusmnb.ru/index.php?topic=13267.0
Jan 13 13:16:34 <Noctivagant>   " The starting price in USD: 350 rubles"
Jan 13 13:22:26 <cmp>   ********** (what he said doesn't matter)

6 days by today. What 15 hours you are talking about? I've reported this days ago ask [ptx] I annoyed the shit out of him to check stuff for me.

First one is BS ?

Identical nicknames showing in different rosters as main character is BS?

Man....
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Rogue on January 19, 2012, 05:04:38 am
Quote
[...]i started looking into today about 15 hours ago and will now stop that and not care any more because i lost all my motivation to waste time on it if someone thinks the lynch mob is a better solution.

It is of course understandable that you prefer to handle stuff like this internally and avoid mobs and witch-hunts at the forums, like with the auto blocker issue. But no matter his intentions for posting this, "playing the hero" or feeling ignored after a month of waiting, leaving this issue at the sideline and not investigating it is the wrong decision.

Multi-accounting is for Strategus what the Autoblocker is for cRPG, the worst kind of cheating, one that deserves to be punished. Also those accused would also have an interest in getting there names cleared should they be innocent.

This will certainly create a lot of waves and rightfully so, everyone desires a level playing field and a fair game. No matter your personal feelings about making this public, things like this should be investigated and those found guilty punished, the sake of the game and community.

Personally I don't care much about selling ingame stuff for money, but still it is against the rules.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 19, 2012, 05:07:03 am
Point is, no matter what it won't be public.

Sure is, there is also a huge difference between posting random peoples names on here accusing them of multi accounting without actual evidence and those forum links with obvious stuff in them.
For example : Druzhina_Antip

http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=927 Antrit is Antip
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=962 Artrit is also Antip
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1047 Whenever you see Antip, you never see the other two

EDIT : change the last digits of battle ids to 927, 962, 1047

Another example : STR_Han_Hanich : says that Dubiena is his wife. Very well, Kittiya is Gingers wife this is legit. Then who the hell is Dubina and what the hell he was doing on defenders side when STR attacked a castle?

I have a huge list of these things you know. Denying it only makes it worse.

let me tell you what is sick :

5 clans with obviously superior numbers, still need to cheat to take down 1 small clan with 2 small allies.

Cheers

EDIT : Since we started


Druzhina_Kondor , Druzhina_Grif, Druzhina_Berkyt

All 3 named after bird names in Russian, never seen together in 1 battle.

Random names? alright
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 05:47:09 am
It is of course understandable that you prefer to handle stuff like this internally and avoid mobs and witch-hunts at the forums, like with the auto blocker issue. But no matter his intentions for posting this, "playing the hero" or feeling ignored after a month of waiting, leaving this issue at the sideline and not investigating it is the wrong decision.

Multi-accounting is for Strategus what the Autoblocker is for cRPG, the worst kind of cheating, one that deserves to be punished. Also those accused would also have an interest in getting there names cleared should they be innocent.

This will certainly create a lot of waves and rightfully so, everyone desires a level playing field and a fair game. No matter your personal feelings about making this public, things like this should be investigated and those found guilty punished, the sake of the game and community.

Personally I don't care much about selling ingame stuff for money, but still it is against the rules.

Remember that HUGE banwave (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18515.0.html) we had for multiple accounts on the same IP?
Didn't go that well.
And he did never have any access to the webserver logs or could possibly know if those guys are even located close to each other.

When i game with my guys, we often roll with similar names or use i/L to have identical looking names.
We also game on the same IP on and off with various amounts of people.
I would not want to be banned from a game because someone gets mad and thinks it's smart to put my name in a post so the community of a game i like insta hates me.
I am also a bit cautious about those witnesses he named after he had that account switch thing going.
Not sure he is trusting the right people but this is also non of my business.


The RL trading thing is something completely different, looked pretty obvious when i looked into it earlier, not sure how that will go now, doubt it will be public, i will stay out of it.

Bed time now.
Enjoy the drama, don't make this a witch hunt, this thread is already sad enough.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2012, 06:49:07 am
Way to kill the drama, Meow.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Paul on January 19, 2012, 08:28:25 am
This is the revenge? Pretty sad, hoped for ingame action.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: _RXN_ on January 19, 2012, 09:04:22 am
Meh, Nocti, now everyone knows my new name. Gnjus will not give me to play quietly, but will ask me to teach him Russian...

P.S. i tried to rename my old char, but i remembered that is against rules and just deleted him and created a new one.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Vibe on January 19, 2012, 09:53:54 am
The witch hunt begins
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: DRZ_Bigbay_ on January 19, 2012, 10:32:46 am
Iskander_Bek-this is my alt, to not  "strateguse" he takes part, is not allowed to have alts?
You used a totally unverified information.
From the rest of the list of Druzhina also almost all the altos, and the rest do not play after the official ban, and some just renamed by removing the old character, such as Druzhina_RXN
Sorry for my english
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Vibe on January 19, 2012, 10:35:42 am
Iskander_Bek-this is my alt, to "strateguse" he takes part, is not allowed to have alts?

Uhm no, it's not allowed to have "alts" in Strategus. Seems like you ruskies didn't quite understand the rules.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: DRZ_Bigbay_ on January 19, 2012, 10:41:07 am
Uhm no, it's not allowed to have "alts" in Strategus. Seems like you ruskies didn't quite understand the rules.
I know the rules, Google translated the wrong Iskander_Bek not to "strateguse"))
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: _RXN_ on January 19, 2012, 10:41:14 am
Lol, Vibe, it was a Google translate fail, it's an alt and you can't play with alts in Strat.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Vibe on January 19, 2012, 10:42:50 am
Alright then, my apologies.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Segd on January 19, 2012, 11:00:29 am
  • QML abuse for leveling up and getting "chadz message" quicker : 4x QML = x5 (Reported)
Multi does not affect Сhadztext.

Your nonsense really pisses me off Nebun, we've had russian players try to join DRZ as spies but when we found out that they were required to give their username and password to join we halted.
we've had english players try to join Fallen as spies but when we found out that they were required to give their username, password, all gold & masterworks, сredit card data & 999$ donation to join we halted.


Quote
Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Love in December
I will always remember
Our summer with passion, a fatal attraction
Colours are fading like the leaves in November
What's left of the magic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTw4Qc1Fm5M
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old_Archer on January 19, 2012, 11:03:26 am
STR_Han_Hanich and Dubiena - this is the same person, information 100%. Punish him.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nihtingale on January 19, 2012, 11:13:53 am
Looks like some ppl in this thread are sooooooooo butthurted :rolleyes:

STR_Han_Hanich and Dubiena - this is the same person, information 100%. Punish him.
Old_Archer is autoblokka-chittin biatch, information 100%, ban him immediately! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old Autobus on January 19, 2012, 11:33:46 am
STR_Han_Hanich and Dubiena - this is the same person, information 100%. Punish him.

Those are actually husband and wife playing from one IP,
that would be the fourth "I should be IP banned and never return to cRPG again" for Nocti.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 11:34:50 am
THIS THREAD -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W1Wi2U9sQ
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on January 19, 2012, 12:05:44 pm
Many who were in the STR channel in teamspeak at night heard Dubiena and Hanich and know that Dubiena has pleasant female voice, while Hanich has a rough male voice.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: STR_KpuBopyk on January 19, 2012, 12:41:26 pm
My second account STR_KpuBopyk is banned for a long time ago. cmp  offerd ve to chose one of 2 accounts. i chose 1 of them and 2nd was banned.
P.S. Multiacc
« Sent to: cmpxchg8b on: December 19, 2011, 20:47:39 » ReplyQuoteDelete
Ok i understand.no problem  STR_KpuBopy4ka will be the only main. (STR_KpuBopyk can be banned on crpg and strategus)

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: [ptx] on January 19, 2012, 12:46:18 pm
Many who were in the STR channel in teamspeak at night heard Dubiena and Hanich and know that Dubiena has pleasant female voice, while Hanich has a rough male voice.

Need proof of Dubiena's pleasant female voice! If we don't find it pleasing enough - ban!
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Antip on January 19, 2012, 01:02:57 pm
nonsense
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nihtingale on January 19, 2012, 01:08:56 pm
Need proof of Dubiena's pleasant female voice! If we don't find it pleasing enough - ban!
TITS or GTFO? :D
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on January 19, 2012, 01:15:44 pm
Shh! She works for the KGB 8-)
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Lizard_man on January 19, 2012, 01:20:37 pm
When i game with my guys, we often roll with similar names or use i/L to have identical looking names.

Me and my friends do the same, you may have seen them about, Merc_L1zard_man, Merc L!zard_man, and who can forget, Merc_Lizards_Gran... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gurnisson on January 19, 2012, 01:24:54 pm
She works for the KGB 8-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHia4_HDyc&feature=related#t=09m35s

So she went to a public school in Oxbridge?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 01:39:49 pm
Me and my friends do the same, you may have seen them about, Merc_L1zard_man, Merc L!zard_man, and who can forget, Merc_Lizards_Gran... :rolleyes:

And your point is?
You don't have friends you do that with so it must be completely impossible that others do it?
Sounds kinda bad looking at this from a biased and very narrow view instead of just counting in everyday factors like RL friendships.
I am just presenting the other side that is not all about being pissed.

Edit: Wasn't meant to sound like i'm saying you have no friends. It was really about this specific situation.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Lizard_man on January 19, 2012, 01:50:36 pm
Friends... :cry:

Obviously it's not impossible for people to do it, but why would you want to have pretty much the exact same name as 4 of your friends, somethings fishy here. Meow, i hope you and the other developers look into this. Make it your personal mission to prove Nocti wrong for the day...
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Sharky on January 19, 2012, 01:52:27 pm
DEVS BADGE for nocti NAOW! He will do such an unbiased work.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
Friends... :cry:

Obviously it's not impossible for people to do it, but why would you want to have pretty much the exact same name as 4 of your friends, somethings fishy here. Meow, i hope you and the other developers look into this. Make it your personal mission to prove Nocti wrong for the day...

What?
As if i would spend any more time into anything related to Nocti.

Well except this thread cause it totally went into a hilarious direction, i like it.

I also took this advice:

THIS THREAD -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W1Wi2U9sQ

makes reading it pretty epic.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Lizard_man on January 19, 2012, 01:56:51 pm
I don't think it's just Nocti who wants this looking into, since it's been brought up, the community wants answers, what the fuck's your problem...
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2012, 01:58:33 pm
I SPEAK FOR ZE COMMUNITY AND WE DEMAND ANSWERS
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 02:16:22 pm
Yeah, that would be the reason why this was posted in the first place, trying to force us into doing it because he got mad being ignored after bringing this up over and over although we were aware of his concerns.

I can just speak for myself here but this does not make me any more motivated to look into the issue, kinda doubt the others will feel more motivated now as this is still something every single one of us does for fun.

All i am trying to do now is show the guys who are not completely blinded the other side of the whole thing so the people who actually are wrongly accused here do not have to take all the hate.

This will be checked at a time chosen by the people who can look into it, not at a time Nocti decided to make it public.
Fixing mechanics that make this a problem in the first place for example would be a way better option to spend that time on to be honest but this is all about the hate.

Can we now get back to derailing this?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 02:23:40 pm
makes reading it pretty epic.

I propose another masterpierce for our NA readers that may not like the masterpiece of a gay russian composer at war with a gay nation with a psychotic leader back when there was no internetz. Ho wai...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGBDWER-wUI&feature=related

No sexy canon fire though  :?


Yet I still think that the case should not be neglected because it's a list of names publicly revealed, or because it's Nocti and whatever happened with him in the past (I don't even remember). And by neglected I don't mean specifically chairman Meow or anyone else in particular. But at least someone should make things clear, if not done already.


Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2012, 02:24:47 pm
This will be checked at a time chosen by the people who can look into it, not at a time Nocti decided to make it public.
Fixing mechanics that make this a problem in the first place for example would be a way better option to spend that time on to be honest but this is all about the hate.

Quote for truth.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: SquishMitten on January 19, 2012, 02:30:43 pm
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Decky_smile on January 19, 2012, 02:40:06 pm
lol
Decky => niamba
niamba its my acc on rus mnb forum not in crpg or strategus.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: 22nd_King_Plazek on January 19, 2012, 02:44:44 pm
Get beaten in Strat -> Rage Out -> Accuse everyone of cheating -> ??? -> Profit?

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Sharky on January 19, 2012, 02:45:38 pm
Careful about what u do guys, detective noctivagant is watching u
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: _Tak_ on January 19, 2012, 02:57:15 pm
Yeah, that would be the reason why this was posted in the first place, trying to force us into doing it because he got mad being ignored after bringing this up over and over although we were aware of his concerns.

I can just speak for myself here but this does not make me any more motivated to look into the issue, kinda doubt the others will feel more motivated now as this is still something every single one of us does for fun.

All i am trying to do now is show the guys who are not completely blinded the other side of the whole thing so the people who actually are wrongly accused here do not have to take all the hate.

This will be checked at a time chosen by the people who can look into it, not at a time Nocti decided to make it public.
Fixing mechanics that make this a problem in the first place for example would be a way better option to spend that time on to be honest but this is all about the hate.

Can we now get back to derailing this?

My cat is lazy  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 03:01:29 pm
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gnjus on January 19, 2012, 03:06:47 pm
Here's Han Hanich & his beloved wife Dubiena, taken straight out of their family album:
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Nebun & his brother in training:
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Now leave them alone.  :)
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 03:11:27 pm
Meh you have become such a generic lame troll :|
Please get back to your old form.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gnjus on January 19, 2012, 03:26:08 pm
Meh you have become such a generic lame troll :|
Please get back to your old form.

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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old_Archer on January 19, 2012, 04:31:53 pm
Here's Han Hanich & his beloved wife Dubiena, taken straight out of their family album:
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Han_Hanich left or right?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tot. on January 19, 2012, 04:52:48 pm
Poorly played, Nocti.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Harpag on January 19, 2012, 04:55:26 pm
Meow - you're a very forgiving guy (full respect), so I have a personal request to you. Please don't ban Nocivagant, and if you really must, please don't give him permaban. This is a sick man, but everyone should have a chance for reflection and changing ways of thinking about other people. Hatred blinded him and made ​​him a caricature, but in this case prison isn't the way to social rehabilitation.
Please give us a chance for rewipe him from the map  :twisted:

BTW - this Gnjus can't return to the old form, because this is not the same man. Old Gnjus was malicious but intelligent and witty, and the new is a cave troll. We need to send a detective Noctivagant, because I suspect account sharing  :lol:

PS. Nocti, I told you yesterday about this situations, but you never listen me ...No one is unmistakable! You know this?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nebun on January 19, 2012, 05:10:53 pm
You used to be trial admin and youve lost that even I know you'll say "no I quit myself" ironic isnt it? I know Cmp asked you about it, why didn't you post it on the forum?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,22601.msg335953.html#msg335953

Where is your name in that or your brother?
Where is your brother in all the battle rosters?

well, Do you even have a brother?

 :))) Ask CMP, if i quit being admin or i got kicked out :) I think it was him who I asked to remove Admin from me.
Why do I need to post my brother in multiaccounting thread? if he plays this game on a different computer, different ip and in different place then me?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nebun on January 19, 2012, 05:17:46 pm
Your nonsense really pisses me off Nebun, we've had russian players try to join DRZ as spies but when we found out that they were required to give their username and password to join we halted.

This is such a lie!
Every member has to pass 7 days trial before we even consider him joining our ranks. Some ppl refused to join after that preiod. Ask them did we request their login details?
This is bullshit.
Tell me when this happen and provide evidence please! Show me people please who i asked for login details?

I can state on forum that your not a human but a goat with 6 tits and funny horns :) But without proof its called propaganda.
All i read on forum lately is a lot of crying and propaganda. You can't do shit about us on strategus so u decided to ban us, nice.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nebun on January 19, 2012, 05:22:56 pm
Meow is right, i'm leaving this thread alone :) too much crap
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Oberyn on January 19, 2012, 05:25:11 pm
and the rest do not play after the official ban

Oh wait, there was a mass banning of various DRZ cheaters already? Of course there was. Funny how we never hear about it. Or how you got caught multiaccounting in V2, but got a pass for that as well. Or how the 98 (lolololol) DRZ players in Strat are practically all inactive, yet somehow manage to produce and transfer their stuff with regularity and organization. Even if most of Noc's info turns out to be wrong, and I doubt it, I still support that he came out publically with it. Fallen deliberately exploits a bug? ZOMG QUICK DEVS WE MUST OBLITERATE THEM WITH MAGIC CARPETS. DRZ accused of mass multiaccounting, you know, the clan who mass multiaccounted in V1? Who got caught mass multiaccounting in V2? Who's had various players already banned for that very thing? Meh, not important, let's let it sit there for more than a month and ignore it. I guess devs selectively decide when it should be made public or not.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 19, 2012, 05:29:03 pm
Please don't ban Nocivagant, and if you really must, please don't give him permaban.

Pretty sure the only one who is talking about Nocti getting banned is Nocti himself for the oh so dramatic effect...

No worries :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nessaj on January 19, 2012, 05:38:23 pm
This is the classic "dead hooker under the bed" scenario.

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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tomas on January 19, 2012, 05:50:26 pm
because he got mad being ignored after bringing this up over and over although we were aware of his concerns.

So you admit ignoring him but are then surprised when he takes matters into his own hands to get your attention?  You probably didn't quite mean what you wrote but on the other hand, there is usually a lack of information coming from devs on other issues, so who knows  :wink:

Fixing mechanics that make this a problem in the first place for example would be a way better option to spend that time on to be honest but this is all about the hate.

This bit is what I don't understand.  If fixing mechanics is the devs aim then;
1) Why haven't you guys just announced that you will not be looking into individual cases and are instead looking to solve the problem through game mechanics?  This doesn't stop you guys randomly banning all the individual cases you find, but it might have stopped Nocti pestering you every 5 mins.
2) If you are indeed looking to solve the problem through game mechanics then why is Strat, after 3 versions, still based on a money generation system that actually encourages inactivity and dual accounts?
3) Why do devs constantly appear to ignore the numerous ideas posted that would help combat this issue?  Even just a simple, "nice idea - we'll give it some thought" would be nice.  Or a "we think that has too many loop holes to implement" statement.  This goes for other ideas too.

Personally I think the devs need a community liaison person or two.  People that know the overall aim of Strat and the upcoming changes that can highlight and give input to the good ideas whilst shutting down the ideas that are barking up the wrong tree and never going to happen.  There's plenty of rational, non-troll people that would love to help with Strat but have no coding skills.  Any of them would be good for this.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2012, 05:51:59 pm
This is the classic "dead hooker under the bed" scenario.

How do you usually deal with all them dead hookers under your bed?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gnjus on January 19, 2012, 05:56:23 pm
BTW - this Gnjus can't return to the old form, because this is not the same man. Old Gnjus was malicious but intelligent and witty, and the new is a cave troll. We need to send a detective Noctivagant, because I suspect account sharing  :lol:

Yeah, my younger brother is typing nonsense while i drink in a pub. I'm training him to become malicious as myself but his maximum is the league of Berengers, Tavuk Beys, HarunYahiyas & Rage Gays.  :wink:


How do you usually deal with all them dead hookers under your bed?

Much easier then the living ones.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nihtingale on January 19, 2012, 06:03:03 pm
This thread is going nowhere.
Sincerely yours, C.O.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nessaj on January 19, 2012, 06:14:04 pm
How do you usually deal with all them dead hookers under your bed?

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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tomas on January 19, 2012, 06:16:21 pm
Now for an actual game mechanic suggestion to discourage the dual accounters.

Add an actual goods crafting skill that goes up by 3 everytime you get the chadz text and goes down by 1 per week automatically.  This way, if you don't play cRPG you can't craft goods, if you stop playing cRPG your skill will slowly decay.

Then remove the ability to craft goods without this skill and make it so your skill level in goods crafting determines a bonus to goods production as well as your discount

So 1 skill = 30% discount and a 1% chance to produce an extra item of goods each hour = 24 per day on average at 100% crafting efficiency = 84 gold per day @ 5 gold goods price
30 skill = 59.23% discount and a 59.23% chance of procucing an extra item of goods each hour = 38 goods per day at 100% crafting efficiency = 78 gold per day @ 5 gold goods price
54 skill = 67.11% discount and 67.11% chance......blah......blah.........blah = 40 good per day = 66 gold per day

High level chars won't be able to craft goods, but they can't craft equipment either and everything else added seems to want to encourage retiring so why not this as well.

Overall this is a pretty large bonus to active people still retiring and also a big boost to the more active clans. Meanwhile if somebody wants to keep their inactive dual account useful in Strat they will actually have to play it and will therefore spread their chadz text bewteen their chars which as you can see is not as effective as 1 highly skilled crafter.

The only mulit accounting issue this does not help with is when some one has a high level main they only use in Strat Battles and then a crafting alt, or when someone can use 2 or 3 accounts to help attack or defend against their enemies.  However the first issue is much easier to identify and investigate than having to look at every possible multi accounter.  And the 2nd issue is completely different and probably can never be solved with a game mechanic anyway.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old Autobus on January 19, 2012, 06:27:32 pm
Now for an actual game mechanic suggestion to discourage the dual accounters.

Add an actual goods crafting skill that goes up by 3 everytime you get the chadz text and goes down by 1 per week automatically.  This way, if you don't play cRPG you can't craft goods, if you stop playing cRPG your skill will slowly decay.

Then remove the ability to craft goods without this skill and make it so your skill level in goods crafting determines a bonus to goods production as well as your discount

So 1 skill = 30% discount and a 1% chance to produce an extra item of goods each hour = 24 per day on average at 100% crafting efficiency = 84 gold per day @ 5 gold goods price
30 skill = 59.23% discount and a 59.23% chance of procucing an extra item of goods each hour = 38 goods per day at 100% crafting efficiency = 78 gold per day @ 5 gold goods price
54 skill = 67.11% discount and 67.11% chance......blah......blah.........blah = 40 good per day = 66 gold per day

High level chars won't be able to craft goods, but they can't craft equipment either and everything else added seems to want to encourage retiring so why not this as well.

Overall this is a pretty large bonus to active people still retiring and also a big boost to the more active clans. Meanwhile if somebody wants to keep their inactive dual account useful in Strat they will actually have to play it and will therefore spread their chadz text bewteen their chars which as you can see is not as effective as 1 highly skilled crafter.

The only mulit accounting issue this does not help with is when some one has a high level main they only use in Strat Battles and then a crafting alt, or when someone can use 2 or 3 accounts to help attack or defend against their enemies.  However the first issue is much easier to identify and investigate than having to look at every possible multi accounter.  And the 2nd issue is completely different and probably can never be solved with a game mechanic anyway.


http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,8.0.html
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nessaj on January 19, 2012, 06:31:55 pm
High level chars won't be able to craft goods, but they can't craft equipment either and everything else added seems to want to encourage retiring so why not this as well.

Frack you (literally) :evil: for suggesting to make retirement a must, I DO NOT want grind 24/7. Worst suggestion ever to come across the forums.

Some people like just to log-on and play whenever they want and feel like it without having to participating in the rat race called heirlooms.

I play mainly for Strategus (granted it isn't really working out these days in general) - but if the only thing left for people who do not grind 24/7 would be moving around armies/caravans in Strategus then lol.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Lizard_man on January 19, 2012, 06:33:50 pm
What are developers scared of? Whatever it is, it lurks deep within the suggestions corner, a place where no developer dares to tread... :shock:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gnjus on January 19, 2012, 06:40:04 pm
Frack you (literally) :evil:

I sense some madness in you, Cooties.....you mad ?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Osiris on January 19, 2012, 06:54:19 pm
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Harpag on January 19, 2012, 07:08:21 pm
Pretty sure the only one who is talking about Nocti getting banned is Nocti himself for the oh so dramatic effect...

No worries :mrgreen:
I know, but I thought that you do not like me and that you do the opposite than I requested  :mrgreen:
What are developers scared of? ... :shock:
They scared of russian mafia  :rolleyes:
Yeah, my younger brother is typing nonsense while i drink in a pub...:
Sometimes it is easier to deal with a dead hooker under the bed than with a younger brother  :wink:
Much easier then the living ones.  :twisted:
It's true ... :lol: (Old Gnjus?)

This whole topic should be regarded as a satirical trololol program  :lol:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nessaj on January 19, 2012, 07:30:05 pm
I sense some madness in you, Cooties.....you mad ?

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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Mtemtko on January 19, 2012, 07:56:04 pm
So in the end.... oooooooooooooooooooodinvalhalaaaaaaaaaaa was right.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tomas on January 19, 2012, 07:57:02 pm
Frack you (literally) :evil: for suggesting to make retirement a must, I DO NOT want grind 24/7. Worst suggestion ever to come across the forums.

Some people like just to log-on and play whenever they want and feel like it without having to participating in the rat race called heirlooms.

I play mainly for Strategus (granted it isn't really working out these days in general) - but if the only thing left for people who do not grind 24/7 would be moving around armies/caravans in Strategus then lol.

High level chars can still
- lead armies
- recruit troops
- manage and own fiefs
- be better than low level chars in battles
- make the actual trade runs to sell the goods
- beg ;)

Why do you need to be able to do everything?

Also, why are you rejecting the whole idea because of something that follows the current dev policy?  If you have other objections please list them but otherwise your objection is with the dev limitation to chadz text which is a different issue. 
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 19, 2012, 08:04:14 pm
Those are actually husband and wife playing from one IP,
that would be the fourth "I should be IP banned and never return to cRPG again" for Nocti.

Easy enough to tell if they are using different computers.  Even the most primitive network detection tools (that any server SHOULD be running) will show the MAC address of the transmitter.  It's easy enough to spoof, but I'm assuming that's how they know if people are multi-accounting, or if their brother/roommate/wife are playing on a separate computer.

And nocti's not trying to be a hero, he gives the dev's a lead to look into, and it goes a month without being addressed?  He's in the right to post the information publicly (even if it's just accusations).  He may be right, or may be wrong, but at least look into it...
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Burr1ck on January 20, 2012, 12:44:17 am

This will be checked at a time chosen by the people who can look into it, not at a time Nocti decided to make it public.
Fixing mechanics that make this a problem in the first place for example would be a way better option to spend that time on to be honest but this is all about the hate.

Can we now get back to derailing this?

It's very inconsiderate to just brush aside the issue Noctivagant posed. Your a developer, surely you're suppose to make the gaming experience better for the people. It sure isn't when multi-accounting and looms for cash is around, and it sure isn't when you are shutting down a player's opinion on the game. Please, at least look into the issue, Noctivagant gave you a helpful lead and it's up to you and the developers or moderators to look into it.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Leesin on January 20, 2012, 01:15:02 am
Yeah, I'm waiting, 24/7 on this bitch ass thread for bans, especially considering when Loki reports a Strategus bug but nothing is ever done about it, then over a month later when we used it like all the other bug abusing clans you destroyed 1000 tickets of ours, not that the tickets themself are an issue, it's the meaning behind it, yeah I'm waiting for these douche nozzles to get their punishments.

Oh wait, you're not going to follow it up because Nocti got tired of waiting for the devs to do something about it so he released the information to the community, the community which is essentially the only reason why this mod has any reason to exist and deserves to know this shit if the devs cannot do something about it in 6 weeks, it takes 5 minutes to see their threads about loom selling, which is a major breech of a mods existence.

Fix up , you can't expect people to sit silently for months when they know a bunch of bundle of stickss are breaking the game rules they do their best to abide by.

Post aside yes I am slightly beered up, but I'm pissed with shit like this, stop my old friendging around the bush and treating different clans/situations diferently. Man up and lay the punishments down then maybe people wont do shit like this in the first place.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 03:44:28 am
Lets check the irc history (no I'm not going to paste conversations here to make a point)

Lets check more incidents and lets see what happened.

Asked Braeden, why he gave such a low warnings to someone who is selling private information of player
Braeden said he lack evidence on  November 09, 2011, 18:49:36
Got the evidence on                       November 09, 2011, 19:38:36

Solved instantly

December 28 Reported Kapikulu gold/item transfer bug to Meow
December 28 Reported Kapikulu gold/item transfer bug to cmp
December 29 Reported Kapikulu gold/item transfer bug to chadz

Solved instantly

Jan 08 2012 Asked a question about character transfer to Espu
Jan 09 2012 Meow logged into the character and found fishy stuff
Jan 09 2012 A small amount of Russian players got banned instantly
Jan 09 2012 Meow removed RucRPG 2 from Data base

Solved instantly

First asked cmp about multi-acounting  on December 19 2012
Informed Meow about multi-accounting on December 24 2012
Informed chadz about multi-accounting on December 29 2012
Reported Marketplace transfers for IRL money to cmp on January 12 2012
Reported Marketplace transfers for IRL money on Meow  January 12 2012

Not even looked into

Jan 11 20:09:46 <Noctivagant>   cmp why you guys are not doing anything about multiacc anymore
Jan 11 20:09:54 <Noctivagant>   every other xploit gets banned in a day
Jan 11 20:10:08 <Noctivagant>   i slowly got the feeling nothing will be done at all
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 12 04:57:35 2012


And why the hell people are working to shut me up and never checking the case?

Nebun, you were an admin. Why didn't you report the Russian market?
Harpag, whats your history in cheating? yet you have nerve to lecture people about honesty?
If Dubiena is Hanich's wife, what was she doing in defending side against STR and who the hell is Dubina?
Whats up with the names like Buzdugan, Rohmir etc. kept attacking Mercs and never showed up in a single roster?
If Drz is so mighty why they cannot come up with a full Drz roster for once? They are inactive? if inactivity is the case how they can have that much land and endless lordly and masterwork equipment?

There are far too many questions in my head.

But its easy to say "oh noc is insane" and closing the case without looking at it for once.










Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Jambi on January 20, 2012, 05:29:58 am
Sorry moderator nocti, let me help you.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,5.0.html

This is where a ban requests should go. GL!

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But seriously man, your a Merc Leader. Seems a bit unfair to have your members suffer from the hate you generate.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 06:03:28 am
Sorry moderator nocti, let me help you.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,5.0.html

This is where a ban requests should go. GL!

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But seriously man, your a Merc Leader. Seems a bit unfair to have your members suffer from the hate you generate.

You've been warned by the admins for your forum/ingame attitude against Mercs and you've been told that if you go on there will be consequences.
You kept spam reporting Merc replies to get them in trouble and you've received warning for that.
When Muffin became an admin you tried to get him into trouble immediately. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,23569.msg341141.html#msg341141
If you care about public opinion that much, maybe you should start working on yourself.

Fyi : This is not a ban request, This is a Strategus related subject which has to be investigated. The word ban was mentioned for once and its about me, no one else.

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tennenoth on January 20, 2012, 06:04:39 am
...

Why do you bother posting? You seemingly follow Nocti around the forums and post crap at him... Why? (Rhetorical question in case you didn't know). I have little affiliation with Mercs or Nocti but i'm rather bored of your constant harrassment of them...

With regards to the subject at hand, personally i'm at an impass, it's good to see that members of the community have enough want to see things to be the best they can, in this case, with the fairness across the game.
Although I don't agree with Nocti posting this publically, I understand why he has done it, as some others have stated, I too would be frustrated having taken the time and effort to collect this and then have it seemingly ignored (which I am quite sure it hasn't been.)

It's certainly stirred some feelings up however, which might in turn pull through some action to be taken but unfortunately I only see things going one way, some sort of mass cover up if the accused were doing said things and this thread falling to one massive hate spreading mission for either side.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Vibe on January 20, 2012, 07:29:38 am
Jambi has childhood difficulties but what he doesn't realize is that internet is not his therapist.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Bobthehero on January 20, 2012, 08:48:51 am
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And my nose started to bleed while I was reading this, it is quite an epic thread.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: [ptx] on January 20, 2012, 09:03:53 am
Nebun, you were an admin. Why didn't you report the Russian market?

See, this is a very good question. I went into rumnb.org a week or so ago, looking for some random info on some clan and was surprised to find that "marketplace" thread there, very out in the open, with people trading looms for $ with zero effort to hide it. Was even more surprised to see for how long it had been going on and at what scale... AND with the support of that board's moderators! It's almost as if you lot were DARING someone to do about it! :?
I won't comment on the multi-accounting stuff and the rest of it, that is for devs to work out.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Herkkutatti on January 20, 2012, 09:05:11 am
I sence a conspiracy against nocti  8-)

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,24355.0.html <----- Instantly to the watch list
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gnjus on January 20, 2012, 09:11:28 am
Maybe Comrades are donating a good amount of their hard-earned rubles back into "development" of cRPG which means they'll never get banned.  :wink:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Jambi on January 20, 2012, 09:36:58 am
You've been warned by the admins for your forum/ingame attitude against Mercs and you've been told that if you go on there will be consequences.
You kept spam reporting Merc replies to get them in trouble and you've received warning for that.
When Muffin became an admin you tried to get him into trouble immediately. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,23569.msg341141.html#msg341141
If you care about public opinion that much, maybe you should start working on yourself.

Fyi : This is not a ban request, This is a Strategus related subject which has to be investigated. The word ban was mentioned for once and its about me, no one else.

Well excuuuse me.

With the whole anonymous act you tried to do, how could i have known you were so serious.

Tbh ,I give you advice and i made a little joke about the anonymous thing. Im not allowed too do that ? How can you see this as a serious troll or harassment.
I think i ask you a fair question, about the you hate generate and your clan members. I mean there´s people in Mercs wich i talk too and care about.

Why do you bother posting? You seemingly follow Nocti around the forums and post crap at him... Why? (Rhetorical question in case you didn't know). I have little affiliation with Mercs or Nocti but i'm rather bored of your constant harrassment of them...

Right. i do post a reply too Nocti sometimes. But i dont seemingly follow him around, actually i dont even follow him around at all. I do follow drama around tho, i cant help it that Nocti is usually around too when there´s drama. I think you put too much attention on me, while others have free playground
Have you ever noticed the people that keep replying to every post i make? No ? Well time to open your eyes Tenne. There´s people way worse out there then me, that directly personal insult people on these forums.
You´ll never hear me complain about people insulting me, exception for Gingerpussy who clearly went too far.

Jambi has childhood difficulties but what he doesn't realize is that internet is not his therapist.

This could be seen as harassment and insulting imo. But i dont care, its whats expected from the crpg community. I read it, and move on. Doesnt bother me in the slightest.
For some people i can see this clearly being a reply to be butthurt over.


I dont see how my reply to Nocti is in anyway insulting or harassment.
But ofcourse handing out warnings to Jambi in public, good way to gain favor points from the ingnorant mass.

But anyways i dont want to derail this thread.

Lets move on with these serious accusations covered in the jokingly `anonymous` writing style
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 10:06:41 am
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If you have anything to say about the subject, please do it. If not, please make a new thread about yourself. This topic is not about you or your personal problems with people. Deal with it somewhere else.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Jambi on January 20, 2012, 10:35:06 am
If you have anything to say about the subject, please do it. If not, please make a new thread about yourself. This topic is not about you or your personal problems with people. Deal with it somewhere else.
But anyways i dont want to derail this thread.

Was on it already. But thanks for the reminder  :wink:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: moorane on January 20, 2012, 11:46:49 am
What would a merc Thread be without Jami...?  :lol:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Lepintoi on January 20, 2012, 12:22:17 pm
Thread is dead...
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2012, 12:26:11 pm
You´ll never hear me complain about people insulting me, exception for Gingerpussy who clearly went too far.

Or did he...
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gristle on January 20, 2012, 01:04:58 pm
What I'm getting from this thread is that it is perfectly fine to cheat in strategus as long as you never admit to it. A lesson only Fallen had to learn the hard way. The devs ignored this issue for a whole month. That is completely unacceptable.

The less gullible players know who the big cheating clans are. Too bad the devs will never listen.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Herkkutatti on January 20, 2012, 01:11:32 pm
I got 2 accounts, i don't care neither do devs. 
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old Autobus on January 20, 2012, 01:24:58 pm
  Both cases (multiacc and selling ingame items for rubles) require lots of time and effort to solve, I'd prefer devs to spend time creating new version of strat/improving cRPG, i dont really think that suppressing ones blazing butthurt is what they really should waste their time on.
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 02:11:48 pm
  Both cases (multiacc and selling ingame items for rubles) require lots of time and effort to solve, I'd prefer devs to spend time creating new version of strat/improving cRPG, i dont really think that suppressing ones blazing butthurt is what they really should waste their time on.
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Market thing doesn't require that much effort. Just assign Ujin to read the posts, locate the accounts who are offering items for money, check their transfer logs, locate the customer, ban the seller and remove the item from buyer. Its just lots of reading. Ignoring it because its pages after pages of reading would be considered as dodging the duty. It cannot be ignored, its out there now, its just obvious. But I wouldn't be shocked if it gets removed or edited before actually someone takes action.

Only difficulty in the second one is : whole Strategus is handled by chadz. I highly doubt he'd be willing to get all the active account list and go through logs. But difficulty shouldn't be and excuse to ignore the whole case.
I think devs are thinking that the whole multi accounting thing is made up by me and they cannot waste their time on this. But that's why I'm willing to put my head under the blade. Not because I want to make drama.

The game was quite fast paced for Druzhina anyway, I remember them everyday showing up with 1 or 2K (at least) troops at our doorstep (minus the traveling distance) with full masterwork/lordly equipment. with 3 clans we couldn't keep up with their speed we either had tickets or weapons not both at the same time. Grey Order got huge numbers too haven't seen them producing that much, when they attacked Toshdar it was rather normal equipment. How fast do you want it become? like 1K in every 15 minutes? I had their equipment you know, I took a good look at it. Show me an another clan who has like 10.000 lordly armors with 3000 mighty/masterwork 1h-2h 1000 masterwork bows 5000 masterwork arrows and 1000 champion horses, please do that. Because I really need to know that if I'm a Strategus noob or someone who has valid points in his argument. I need to know if there is another clan can dispatch 10K troops with these equipment and after a damn bloody struggle can keep invading the map with equal or better equipment.

Lljk is known for its numbers and grinding power, can anyone from them confirm that its possible?

And please someone with a better memory than mine write Strategus 1 and 2 history here. I'm talking about exploitation history such transferring an army from bottom south to further north in an hour.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Teddy bear on January 20, 2012, 02:19:20 pm
Play "Confession of a beast"
Dedicated to the heroes of truth Noctivagant (for his bright and fierce pursuit of truth) and Fallen_Loki (for his mssg, abt terms of acceptation to Druzhina. That kewl and smart guy didn't even bother to think something new and just copy-paste someone BS. Congrats).

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Play been written by savage Druzhina player, who wannabe as civilized and full of honour, as NV & FL.
Pardon me for typos and all gramma mistakes.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gristle on January 20, 2012, 02:30:50 pm
There was definitely something fishy with DRZ during our war with them in Strat 2. Everyone called Kesh crazy, but he's been saying this shit for months. That's the problem: Every time DRZ & Pals get called out on their bullshit, people mock the accuser until they are never taken seriously again. Even the devs prefer to laugh and keep an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude when it comes to cheating.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old Autobus on January 20, 2012, 02:34:13 pm
Market thing doesn't require that much effort. Just assign Ujin to read the posts, locate the accounts who are offering items for money, check their transfer logs, locate the customer, ban the seller and remove the item from buyer.
You cannot prove that one was selling items for real money. Yes, there are messages of people willing to sell stuff, yes there may be one-side transfers from them but you cant check if those were actual trades for real money. People have friends, you know. Those one-sided trades could be a birthday present, a bribe for joining ones faction, one could rent MW item and so on, each case would require personal contact with suspected and lots of time digging logs.

I think devs are thinking that the whole multi accounting thing is made up by me and they cannot waste their time on this. But that's why I'm willing to put my head under the blade. Not because I want to make drama.
Well, you were proven wrong on four cases right off the bat, others just never bothered with your thread i believe.

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This is not what i am talking about. Imagine if strat was as fast as Single Player M&B, thats fast-paced.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: SquishMitten on January 20, 2012, 02:42:52 pm
Play "Confession of a beast"
Dedicated to the heroes of truth Noctivagant (for his bright and fierce pursuit of truth) and Fallen_Loki (for his mssg, abt terms of acceptation to Druzhina. That kewl and smart guy didn't even bother to think something new and just copy-paste someone BS. Congrats).

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Play been written by savage Druzhina player, who wannabe as civilized and full of honour, as NV & FL.
Pardon me for typos and all gramma mistakes.

 :mrgreen: this was awesome, congratulations Sir you have won at the internet
 Can I be Misha's new owner? i promise to look after her
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Teddy bear on January 20, 2012, 02:59:29 pm
Can I be Misha's new owner? i promise to look after her
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At least, my spirit is calm, please, take care of him. Don't give him too much vodka, in therapeutic purposes only!
He'll be very good friend of yours, as only russkies bears could be.
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 03:07:05 pm
You cannot prove that one was selling items for real money. Yes, there are messages of people willing to sell stuff, yes there may be one-side transfers from them but you cant check if those were actual trades for real money. People have friends, you know. Those one-sided trades could be a birthday present, a bribe for joining ones faction, one could rent MW item and so on, each case would require personal contact with suspected and lots of time digging logs.
Well, you were proven wrong on four cases right off the bat, others just never bothered with your thread i believe.
This is not what i am talking about. Imagine if strat was as fast as Single Player M&B, thats fast-paced.

I don't understand, while there is something bright obvious you can say that it might be a birthday present. I spoke to people who sold stuff there, that's how I got to know the stuff there at the first place anyway. Birthday....Autobus sometimes you really treat me like I'm carrying a pickle in my skull.
I'll be proven wrong when a dev checks the stuff and tells me that I'm wrong. My trust to them is a bit shaken (which they would say the same about me) It came to my attention that they are very selective when it comes to rules and who are breaking them, or general "CBA"attitude makes me think that way, but of course that's my personal opinion.

Well write your Srategus ideas in the suggestions corner, maybe if you get enough supporters but be careful not to make valid points, you might get ignored by developers. Try not to sound sane be a little submissive.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 03:28:10 pm
There was definitely something fishy with DRZ during our war with them in Strat 2. Everyone called Kesh crazy, but he's been saying this shit for months. That's the problem: Every time DRZ & Pals get called out on their bullshit, people mock the accuser until they are never taken seriously again. Even the devs prefer to laugh and keep an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude when it comes to cheating.

Kesh is crazy but it doesn't mean he is stupid. I really believe the whole map is being treated as stupid. But if you gather the facts and give a little thought you'll realize its not as crazy as it sounds. Of course I knew that people would mock me and I'd get officially ignored. The whole attitude is obvious anyway "let him whine, he will shut up anyway then whole thing will be forgotten"
Only reason I posted that thing because I want to raise question marks in minds.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 03:45:37 pm
Btw I realized a mistake

http://rusmnb.ru/index.php?topic=10658.0

Thats the second page of $$$ market aka 39 pages of Birthday presents  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Dexur on January 20, 2012, 03:59:53 pm
Show me an another clan who has like 10.000 lordly armors with 3000 mighty/masterwork 1h-2h 1000 masterwork bows 5000 masterwork arrows and 1000 champion horses, please do that.
I could craft that herd for U, if U have money  8-)
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19460
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Old Autobus on January 20, 2012, 04:00:01 pm
I don't understand, while there is something bright obvious you can say that it might be a birthday present. I spoke to people who sold stuff there, that's how I got to know the stuff there at the first place anyway. Birthday....Autobus sometimes you really treat me like I'm carrying a pickle in my skull.
No no you got me wrong. Im not saying that there were no selling for rubles in first place, im just telling that it will be hard to prove that people were doing it.
I once transfered all my heirlooms to DimaUrban just cause i got bored playing with them and decided to take a break and play without masterworks. Now think how fishy it could look: One person transferring full MW set of armor, MW Horse and two MW weapons to another person while not getting anything for it.

And by the way im surprised to see you pulling Anti-CBA attitude since you've had chance to actually crush CBA on 2nd strat and never used it.
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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 04:13:06 pm
No no you got me wrong. Im not saying that there were no selling for rubles in first place, im just telling that it will be hard to prove that people were doing it.
I once transfered all my heirlooms to DimaUrban just cause i got bored playing with them and decided to take a break and play without masterworks. Now think how fishy it could look: One person transferring full MW set of armor, MW Horse and two MW weapons to another person while not getting anything for it.

And by the way im surprised to see you pulling Anti-CBA attitude since you've had chance to actually crush CBA on 2nd strat and never used it.
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CBA as "Can't be arsed" not "Care Bear Alliance" I know this gets confusing.

Nop I still disagree, if someone makes and offer with money on that forum and if the logs shows that item was transferred to him (after confirmation on that page) for me its enough evidence that it happened.
(for example putting stones in the market for masterwork Danish etc.)

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Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 20, 2012, 04:27:42 pm
I could craft that herd for U, if U have money  8-)
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19460

Well you'll call me a prejudice asshole but you are the only one who offered that yet you sit right beneath Druzhina in Nditions server and you are Russian. Afaik no German, Brit, Scottish, Norwegian, Turkish or Swedish came up with an offer like that. I mean absolutely no disrespect but I'll pass.

Maybe I should explain myself :

I'm not dumb enough to make a money transfer right in the heartland of my enemies then after the transfer lose it all to Drz and end up as no money no horse bum and Its weird that that amount of horses are still coming from that area. Maybe the water there has a different effect on production I don't know.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Thovex on January 20, 2012, 04:34:54 pm
So when are you getting a life Noctivagant?
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tot. on January 20, 2012, 05:12:50 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxM9XEyQPI#t=4m19s

Actually, Gingerpussy once managed, I think, to make a quadruple double-post, you're coming close to match him/her. In other respects too.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Haze_The_Hobo on January 20, 2012, 07:02:53 pm
It is kinda funny, first day in this game i already thought many big clan people has dual account for strat, never stopped believing in that. :)
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Dexur on January 20, 2012, 07:24:56 pm
Well you'll call me a prejudice asshole but you are the only one who offered that yet you sit right beneath Druzhina in Nditions server and you are Russian. Afaik no German, Brit, Scottish, Norwegian, Turkish or Swedish came up with an offer like that. I mean absolutely no disrespect but I'll pass.

Maybe I should explain myself :

I'm not dumb enough to make a money transfer right in the heartland of my enemies then after the transfer lose it all to Drz and end up as no money no horse bum and Its weird that that amount of horses are still coming from that area. Maybe the water there has a different effect on production I don't know.
This guys are ruining my business  :cry: 9th craft skill = 1k in 5 days & I usually make my transfer first.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on January 20, 2012, 07:30:33 pm
oh god this is so important
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kafein on January 20, 2012, 07:50:40 pm
Solution : don't play Strat and enjoy life.

btw Your destroying the whole V for Vendetta, anonymous thing. with your bad acting. Go find another hobby, realy. :P

I control your mind. You wouldn't even have mentioned V for Vendetta if not for the awesome 1812 overture.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 20, 2012, 07:54:54 pm
Solution : don't play Strat and enjoy life.

I support this. Never did understand why the FCC left both Strat and cRPG. Just ditch Strat.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kafein on January 20, 2012, 07:56:44 pm
Staying in Strat and making such threads is like being on drugs and complaining that dealers are cutthroat gangsters.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Mtemtko on January 20, 2012, 09:06:56 pm
What is really going inside DRZ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_5M-TELg0
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Bobthehero on January 20, 2012, 09:25:34 pm
I support this. Never did understand why the FCC left both Strat and cRPG. Just ditch Strat.

They went to play Star Wars TOR, most of us played cRPG before that game came out.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Sojetsu on January 20, 2012, 10:15:40 pm
Nocti still crying?   :|
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Leshma on January 20, 2012, 10:31:34 pm
Maybe Comrades are donating a good amount of their hard-earned rubles back into "development" of cRPG which means they'll never get banned.  :wink:

Russians? No fucking way.

Only Wookie was crazy enough to donate 500 euros for the cause.

By the increasing amount of banners, I would say that chadz gets less money through donations than ever before.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 20, 2012, 10:33:31 pm
By the increasing amount of banners, I would say that chadz gets less money through donations than ever before.

I was assuming that was due to him now supporting the NA servers as well.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on January 20, 2012, 11:32:18 pm
Play "Confession of a beast"
Dedicated to the heroes of truth Noctivagant (for his bright and fierce pursuit of truth) and Fallen_Loki (for his mssg, abt terms of acceptation to Druzhina. That kewl and smart guy didn't even bother to think something new and just copy-paste someone BS. Congrats).

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Play been written by savage Druzhina player, who wannabe as civilized and full of honour, as NV & FL.
Pardon me for typos and all gramma mistakes.

Epic effort. Loved it  :D
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Nebun on January 21, 2012, 02:00:13 am
too  bad most of our clan members don't know english, this is so funny
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Herkkutatti on January 21, 2012, 02:04:49 am
too  bad most of our clan members don't know english, this is so funny
Then you can say that you don't undesrstand the rules  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Segd on January 21, 2012, 07:01:49 am
What is really going inside DRZ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_5M-TELg0
We call it breakdance  8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Jambi on January 21, 2012, 07:13:45 am
Solution : don't play Strat and enjoy life.

I control your mind. You wouldn't even have mentioned V for Vendetta if not for the awesome 1812 overture.

Waaat waat! stop seemingly following me around making boo boo replies too my post! Admin Halp!  :wink:

We call it breakdance  8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA

Epic :D


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Thread ooh thread, why must thou derail!
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 21, 2012, 09:01:28 am
Thread ooh thread, why must thou derail!

Because you shitposted in it. Again.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on January 21, 2012, 10:00:15 am
And now you just did Tears. damn... oh wait now i just did! GODAMNIT!
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kafein on January 21, 2012, 11:56:39 am
We call it breakdance  8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA

Those guys can crush your ribcage with their feet :lol:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 21, 2012, 01:13:53 pm
We call it breakdance  8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA

Its funny that you are moderating the board where people are selling stuff with for money.
Sure just spam the topic.

too  bad most of our clan members don't know english, this is so funny

You are avoiding the questions constantly I'm asking one more time
Why didn't you report these thing when you were an admin?
Why so called "your brother" were constantly coming to us with armies but why he never ever showed up in one single roster?
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=995 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=995) Where is he?
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=637 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=637) Where?
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=729 (http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=729) ?

If your guys don't know English they can use google translator as I did to translate whole Russian forum, they can even reply in Russian I'll translate it

I found several accounts in cRPG forum caught  multi-accounting, yet same names also mentioned in Russian M&B forum selling stuff. And this is all my imagination? all of these are false accusations?
I told you that you guys think everyone is stupid. Ofc just troll and never answer the questions and ofc since devs don't do anything...

Who cares?

I think you guys are just spamming the topic to change the subject.

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Blondin on January 21, 2012, 02:14:11 pm
I don't play anymore, and i understand why, cRPG is rotten.

Dev team never did anything against all this shit and this since strat v1. And you wonder why all respected guys of the community are not here anymore.
C'mon, Meow how can you have such state of mind when you see a clear thread about someone selling crpg item for real money.

cRPG has become worst than big production, only reserved for an elite, the others are trolled, injustice, unfairness, inequity, obscurantism, misinformation, disrespect,trolling elevated as a quality. Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Kalp on January 21, 2012, 02:20:31 pm
FREE CICERO
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 21, 2012, 02:36:15 pm
I don't play anymore, and i understand why, cRPG is rotten.

Dev team never did anything against all this shit and this since strat v1. And you wonder why all respected guys of the community are not here anymore.
C'mon, Meow how can you have such state of mind when you see a clear thread about someone selling crpg item for real money.

cRPG has become worst than big production, only reserved for an elite, the others are trolled, injustice, unfairness, inequity, obscurantism, misinformation, disrespect,trolling elevated as a quality. Enjoy!!

I think you mix up cRPG and Strategus a lot but besides that it is not my state of mind but me telling what is gonna happen because i see no reason to lie to you.
If you prefer it any other way, let me know i am also good at coming up with random stuff to make people happy. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gristle on January 21, 2012, 02:48:09 pm
I would prefer if cheaters were punished.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 21, 2012, 02:57:18 pm
I think you mix up cRPG and Strategus a lot but besides that it is not my state of mind but me telling what is gonna happen because i see no reason to lie to you.
If you prefer it any other way, let me know i am also good at coming up with random stuff to make people happy. :mrgreen:

No its not Strategus only, this topic is yes its about Strategus but there are ways to cheat in cRPG too.
Meow I respect you and you know I like you as a person, but lets be honest just last week you realized how people can create a gen 40 character within 3 months, how people can retire multiple times in a day. I'll stop here and won't go into the details.
cRPG is a competitive mod and its not the easiest mod out there. There will be always people who will search an easy way to get to the top, because no matter who, we are lazy. Even if you find a way to prevent current exploits, people will find new ways to cheat.

Just please don't ignore it when its obvious.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Olwen on January 21, 2012, 03:09:42 pm
Burn the witches ! Burn ! Burn ! Burn !
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Casimir on January 21, 2012, 03:31:14 pm
or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRbrFsC-kUs#t=1m12s)
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: 22nd_King_Plazek on January 21, 2012, 04:45:41 pm
   
An essay on vigilanteism

While many learned professors have abandoned hope of ever discovering the truth behind vigilanteism, I for one feel that it is still a worthy cause for examination. At one stage or another, every man woman or child will be faced with the issue of vigilanteism. Though vigilanteism is a favourite topic of discussion amongst monarchs, presidents and dictators, its influence on western cinema has not been given proper recognition. It is an unfortunate consequence of our civilizations history that vigilanteism is rarely given rational consideration by global commercial enterprises, who are yet to grow accustomed to its disombobulating nature. Relax, sit back and gasp as I display the rich tapestries of vigilanteism.

Social Factors

Society begins and ends with vigilanteism. When Lance Bandaner said 'twelve times I've traversed the ocean of youthful ambition but society still collects my foot prints' [1] he failed to understand that if one seriously intends to 'not judge a book by its cover', then one must read a lot of books. While the western world use a knife and fork, the Chinese use chopsticks. Of course vigilanteism provides standards by which we may judge our selves.

Primarily vigilanteism builds trust among the people. Clearly it promotes higher individualism and obeyence of instinct. As soon as a child meets vigilanteism they are changed.

Economic Factors

Our world is driven by supply and demand. Of course, vigilanteism fits perfectly into the Inter-Spam model, a complex but ultimately rewarding system.

When displayed this way it becomes very clear that vigilanteism is of great importance. Obviously the average wage, ultimately decided by politicians, will always be heavily influenced by vigilanteism due to its consistently high profile in the portfolio of investors. What it all comes down to is money. Capitalists love vigilanteism.

Political Factors

The media have made politics quite a spectacle. Comparing current political thought with that held just ten years ago is like comparing vigilanteism and political feeling.

Consider this, spoken at the tender age of 14 by style icon Bonaventure Rock 'consciousness complicates a myriad of progressions.' [2] He was first introduced to vigilanteism by his mother. It would be wise to approach the subject with the thought that 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all'. However this can lead to missing out important facts.
One of the great ironies of this age is vigilanteism. Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

Conclusion

To reiterate, vigilanteism plays a large part in the lives of all. It replenishes the self, it stimulates and never hides.

Here with the final word is Hollywood's Wyclef Zeta-Jones 'I wouldn't be where I am today without vigilanteism.' [3]

[1] Lance Bandaner - Adventurous Spirit - 1993 See-Saw Publishing

[2] Rock - Roll It Up - 1977 - F. Lower Publishing

[3] Everything you always wanted to know about vigilanteism, but were afraid to ask. - Issue 287 - QKS Publishing
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 21, 2012, 05:13:38 pm
Chewbacca defense

The Chewbacca defense is a legal strategy used in episode 27 of South Park, "Chef Aid", which premiered on October 7, 1998, as the fourteenth episode of the second season. The aim of the argument is deliberately to confuse the jury by making use of the fallacy known as ignoratio elenchi, or a red herring. The concept satirized attorney Johnnie Cochran's closing argument defending O. J. Simpson in his murder trial. The Associated Press noted the satire as an example of Cochran's position in popular culture. The concept has become a minor Internet phenomenon, used frequently as a running gag on satirical sites and in forums as a form of rhetoric.
In the satire's original defense, the fictional Cochran started by stating that Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. After stating that this statement "does not make sense", Cochran continues to connect the senselessness of his own statement to the actual case, implying that it is equally senseless. His closing argument "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit" is lampooning the actual Cochran's original "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_it_doesn%27t_fit,_you_must_acquit)
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Paul on January 21, 2012, 05:24:44 pm
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Jambi on January 21, 2012, 06:04:28 pm
Wat?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Stabby_Dave on January 21, 2012, 07:11:15 pm
I somehow missed this drama until just now but after looking at the evidence. The multi-accounting seems pretty flimsy and would take A LOT of effort to prove.

The real money trading though, even just through a quick scan through the Russian forum seems blatantly obvious. This may be a google translate issue but if a non DRZ Russian speaker could quickly browse through a few pages Im sure they could quickly confirm or refute the accusations.

For example (without naming names):

Page 33 -
Кто нить продаёт голду за реал? - Who sells Golda thread for real?
Продам cRPG голд за реал - CRPG selling gold for real

 There are also people on the previous page offering to sell looms for 'real' and then someone posting 'Pff, for real, for real. It's disgusting.' These could just be horrible translations of course but it does look suspect.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Blondin on January 21, 2012, 08:44:17 pm
I think you mix up cRPG and Strategus a lot but besides that it is not my state of mind but me telling what is gonna happen because i see no reason to lie to you.
If you prefer it any other way, let me know i am also good at coming up with random stuff to make people happy. :mrgreen:

Strat is a part of cRPG, i was talking of a global feeling about how things are deal in this mod.
I should not have name you, as you are the less trolling dev, and still the only one to wrote in this thread.

Some people always try to gain an irregular advantage over others, almost nothing logical is done about this, thus the other part is tired. Do you really believe ppl quited strategus because of bug and no xp....

Fact is that a big part of players don't have fun anymore.

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Gristle on January 22, 2012, 10:28:02 am
Apparently that's our fault. We just need to "get our shit together." Isn't that right, Paul? The way some devs talk, you would think anyone who believes something is wrong and should be looked into is just a whiner who lost a battle or something. This Browser Trading Game is clearly perfect and anyone who says otherwise should be given no greater a response than "u mad?"
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: [ptx] on January 22, 2012, 12:44:20 pm
This may be a google translate issue but if a non DRZ Russian speaker could quickly browse through a few pages Im sure they could quickly confirm or refute the accusations.
For real = for $
Rub = roubles

There is no issue with the google translate here.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Meow on January 22, 2012, 12:54:49 pm
First let me make sure again that this is in no way me officially posting for the dev team, just giving you my view.

The problem is really not that anyone thinks Strat is perfect in it's current state, priorities just shifted.

Motivation is everything and it's not only you guys who play it who need that motivation to keep going, but also the guys who work on it.
Obviously it's easier to go to that site, click some stuff and then do something else than actually code features, fix stuff and in this case check month of webserver logs on possibly dynamic IPs.

And that is while we all basically get or should get the same out of it - fun.

It's the only motivation there is for everyone involved, players and devs.
For you guys it also features that competitive conquest feeling and clan war stuff.
I understand that it is annoying if you spend time on something and then realize it's not working out as you wanted it to.
Trust me that also goes for both sides.

Adding stuff is always easier to find time for than keeping longtime motivation and focusing on fixing old stuff up.
I might have missed it but i do not think anyone got seriously pissed when someone said Strat is not cool at the moment?

Also i think exploring new features like the current Battlegroups and combining those with some kind of league will also give people a competitive platform for all game modes and especially one that is less exploitable.

No worries, Strat is still being worked on.

One thing i want to make sure again: People are working on different stuff. Just because Rageball was added that does not mean that everyone in the team worked on Rageball.
But that's a common misconception about dev teams i guess.
Also please be aware that this is a hobby for the whole team, not a job.

The real money trading stuff is something completely different and mainly needs someone who has the motivation to go through it, which I completely lost due to this thread as I posted pages earlier.

Anyhow that's it from me for this thread i guess.
Nothing to add and i kinda hope you guys understand why this going public does not make it happen any faster.
If not i can do nothing about it.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 22, 2012, 08:12:30 pm
Meow you are right, I never denied that or said you guys are doing nothing at all.

But it came to my attention that

Developers are working hard to keep stability and make the mod more interesting
Admins are working on keeping the order in servers
Moderators are working on keeping the order in forums
There are also lots of other things to be done like, bugs, name changes, whines, maps, models, textures, programming list goes on and on....
But we have nobody to look outside of the box, absolutely nobody.

I spent my entire day just yesterday reading this one by one. Clicking on each battle checking each player personally, talking to other clans about the issue.
(click to show/hide)

I spent days on cRPG/outside of cRPG forums.

Why did I do that? Because I'm going to gain something out of it? If there is a catch what is it? Do I want people to be banned? No I don't want these things happen anymore.
I've been offered to design menus for cRPG, I've modeled things for cRPG, I took the sub forum duty, I've translated things for staff when it was requested. Back then I wasn't the bad person and now I am? Because I'm trying to help? I'm sorry its true that I'm insanely persistent and sometimes I go way too far.

A clan got banned in one afternoon but taking a look at real money transfers takes a week? You could just say we have other priorities, you could assign people for the case and I'd give them anything I have or you could simply say Fuck off Nocti nobody is asking your opinion about this.

We do not need public executions, we just need a system to prevent things that's all I'm asking. Not bans, not temporary solutions.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: SquishMitten on January 22, 2012, 08:19:27 pm


I spent my entire day just yesterday reading this one by one. Clicking on each battle checking each player personally, talking to other clans about the issue.


I spent days on cRPG/outside of cRPG forums.

Why did I do that? Because I'm going to gain something out of it? If there is a catch what is it? Do I want people to be banned? No I don't want these things happen anymore.

We do not need public executions, we just need a system to prevent things that's all I'm asking. Not bans, not temporary solutions.

Because he's the hero cRPG deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Noctivagant.


Serious business yo
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Lech on January 22, 2012, 09:12:54 pm
Nocti, do you know why people play two or more accounts ? Because it give advantage in stategus or for fun.

You don't even have to play in cRPG to be helpful for the clan in strategus. This is major problem, devs have to fix it by changing system in such fashion, that:
-clanless people and clan people without fiefs are welcome in fiefs belong to other clans, and can influence outcome of conflicts
-people can play as bandits in meaningful way
-people are rewarded for playing in cRPG(or punished for not playing for some period, for example by limiting their productivity)
-cities play larger factor in crafting battle equipment, villages are more for producing food and goods

Last but not least, why don't you simply talk with people who you suspect of wrongdoing ? Going to admin like crybaby isn't something i, and many people involved here (Slavs) approve, grow some guts and try to talk with people you just accused. I know that it's not popular in your society of informers, but at least TRY.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on January 22, 2012, 10:09:21 pm
Nocti, do you know why people play two or more accounts ? Because it give advantage in stategus or for fun.

You don't even have to play in cRPG to be helpful for the clan in strategus. This is major problem, devs have to fix it by changing system in such fashion, that:
-clanless people and clan people without fiefs are welcome in fiefs belong to other clans, and can influence outcome of conflicts
-people can play as bandits in meaningful way
-people are rewarded for playing in cRPG(or punished for not playing for some period, for example by limiting their productivity)
-cities play larger factor in crafting battle equipment, villages are more for producing food and goods

Last but not least, why don't you simply talk with people who you suspect of wrongdoing ? Going to admin like crybaby isn't something i, and many people involved here (Slavs) approve, grow some guts and try to talk with people you just accused. I know that it's not popular in your society of informers, but at least TRY.

I don't play cRPG anyway, my total activity in a month is barely 5 hours. I'm in close contact with other clans and I play Strategus. Most of the old players play like that.

-Factionless people kinda make living in Strategus by selling their stuff to factions in exchange for cRPG gold.
-Bandit option is only available till factions conquer all the map. It could be an option to use them as guerrillas by rival factions but even this is not possible due big alliances. Bandits will always have logistics problem unless there is a "camping" option. They can only exist till map is entirely conquered, then they won't have anywhere to go.
-That reward is nothing compared to reward of multi-accounting.
-Again multi-accounting can overshadow any sort of legit production.

Talk what? There are only few clans out there that did not talk to me in person. What would you tell them? Would you tell them that what they are doing is wrong? or would you ask them if they are really doing what you think that they are doing? and do you think they would tell you the truth? Devs have two or more threads about multi-accounting. They can tell it there. There is a clear rule stating that IRL money transfer is not allowed. We understand cRPG interface and Strategus menu but now we don't get the rules?

Was it really necessary that I had to go through all of this?
Did anyone ask me to do it? Of course not.

I did it because I didn't see anyone else doing it.
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Ujin on January 23, 2012, 10:49:45 am


Also i think exploring new features like the current Battlegroups and combining those with some kind of league will also give people a competitive platform for all game modes and especially one that is less exploitable.

No worries, Strat is still being worked on.




YAAaaaaaaaay !


Naaaaaaay :=(
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: RandomDude on January 23, 2012, 11:57:03 am
Well.

I hate cheating and game abuse - it really pisses me off, thats one reason I wanted to be a game admin.

People have cheated in the past and they're gonna do it again - some people see nothing wrong in it, it's only a game after all, right?

If people have cheated in Strategus to such an extent that it makes other people not play then their "victory" is going to be pretty hollow, especially when noone turns up to fight against them.

I dont think this will bother cheaters too much and there's plenty of ignorant people like me around who wouldnt even realise some forms of cheating and would just put it down to an "organised"clan.

All I can suggest really is if you believe a certain persons/clans of cheating then just dont participate with them in the game. If they attack you, take it as a loss and dont show. Maybe they'll get bored.

Personally I'd rather just fight and take the hits. If I can survive strat 1 as a 2h with all those fucking archers then Im sure I can weather this.

Hopefully as time moves on strat will become better, more fun, less possibility for cheating and maybe "the good old days" will come back (but were they seriously that much better than now?).

Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: dado on January 23, 2012, 11:57:52 am
FREE CICERO

FREE PANOS AND CICERO
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Noctivagant on February 27, 2012, 01:25:54 am
"let him whine, he will shut up anyway then whole thing will be forgotten"
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: autobus on February 27, 2012, 09:15:23 am
REMEMBER panоs
Title: Re: Remember Remember the 23rd of December
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on February 29, 2012, 06:35:06 pm
REMEMBEER