Why don't u whiners just try those classes urself?
All those who bitch about this and that always just stick with their one and only class and when they get killed by some other class that stops them from killing peasants they start to bitch and moan.
If ranged players bother u get a shield, avoid them, manuever, use stealth, hunt them with a horse.
Don't expect ur character to be an all-beating-jack-of-all-trades-yber-spam-crushthrough-overkill.
If u get killed, its because u made a mistake.
Throwing and archery aren't unbalanced or OP or whatever. It's just that there are a lot more of them these days.
People addapt to new situations. As there will come more archers, more people will start using shields to protect themselves. You just can't get away with a pure IF/PS/Ath/WM build anymore as a 2h/polearms. You just need to spend a few points on shieldskill (3 is enough for a shield that covers you from tip to toe) and you can safely advance towards the frontline.
Keep in mind most throwers and archers are easy kills when you get in their faces.
Archery just needs a little dmg nerf on arrows (-2 dmg would be enough), the real problem is throwing. Throwers should get a new animation that would prevent them for magically picking axes out of their ass at machinegun rate. Also powerthrow should decrease accuracy just like powerdraw decreases archer accuracy. It's not normal to have people with 10 powerthrow and 1 throwing WPF and HIGH accuracy.Throwing is never really accurate if you don't use stones. My thrower has 12 PT and 100-something WPF atm, and with the better throwing weapons it's just luck that gets me hits. Only thing that really onehits people are throwing lances, rarely jarids. I was going to say something here which I totally forgot, but by nerfing throwing you'll just encourage people to use bows or xbows.
I was going to say something here which I totally forgot, but by nerfing throwing you'll just encourage people to use bows or xbows.
The main problem is that there's way too many of them. Seems like everyone and their mother got throwing these days. And to change/force people out of there playstyle is hard if not impossible. I have really no idea on how to fix this issue.
There's actually a simple solution to this. Having a % allowed of archers and throwers in the teams. Past this %, extra people see their bows/throwing weapons disabled. No need to nerf them more this way, and you won't see half of your team going archer anymore.
There's actually a simple solution to this. Having a % allowed of archers and throwers in the teams. Past this %, extra people see their bows/throwing weapons disabled. No need to nerf them more this way, and you won't see half of your team going archer anymore.
There are great solutions to this "problem".... stop playing 2h spam classes when you are unable to dodge arrows and bolts or use a fucking shield.
don't jump!
Archery just needs a little dmg nerf on arrows (-2 dmg would be enough), the real problem is throwing. Throwers should get a new animation that would prevent them for magically picking axes out of their ass at machinegun rate. Also powerthrow should decrease accuracy just like powerdraw decreases archer accuracy. It's not normal to have people with 10 powerthrow and 1 throwing WPF and HIGH accuracy.This is utter bullshit , want a screenie of my char naked , 10 pt 100 wpf, see ?
The main problem is that there's way too many of them.
It's funny how people always assume you can move faster than an arrow :?
I have ATH 7 and light equipment, and in most cases I don't wear a shield any more. So whenever I approach archers I run around like a madman, running zigzag (and I do it right, I move farther than my body is wide, I am not one of those "shivering" but basically remaining on the same spot. And I don't jump!), and after a few seconds I recieve my first arrow into the shoulder, then the next comes into my stomach and I am dead. I reach archers in one of 5 cases, if they see me.
So again:
YOU CAN'T FUCKIN' DODGE ARROWS!
At least not good enough to call it a viable protection.
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If there is a class too popular it's a good clue it could be OP, at least concerning the difficulty to play it. And throwing is like 1 or 2 "free kills" per round, as you only need to throw into the enemy cluster, sooner or later you will hit someone. Pure meele builds don't have these easier kills, they always have to watch footwork, blocking, feinting, etc..
It's a living hell for a 2-hander, like myself, to get into melee on certain maps. First I have to endure the hailstorm of arrows to advance forward to the village and when I get there I have to dodge axes and other nasty shit thrown at me + the usual asshole who continues to aim his bow specifically at me. Almost like he got some personal hatred for me, stalking me across the whole damn map.Its your own fault, you dont use shields although you are 2h. you could wear 3 shields!
Should anything be nerfed? No. Archery, Xbowing and throwing is fine. Archery should get back their original animations imo, the current one looks like shit but that's a different topic.
The main problem is that there's way too many of them. Seems like everyone and their mother got throwing these days. And to change/force people out of there playstyle is hard if not impossible. I have really no idea on how to fix this issue.
I guess though, chadz could nerf the shit out of throwing and then stealth buff it up to its normal level. Making the overall majority of the throwing crowd swap to something else for abit.
Other then that, here's my usual reply to archers and throwers, ranged in general - Die in a fire you cowardly scumbags.
Allow me to paint a picture depicting the standard round for my shieldless 2-hander.
I use my athletics to plant myself in a hidden spot, silently lying in wait for the enemies who are sure to come through this alley. My team mates catch up, a-bristle with weapons of all sorts.
What they don't expect is the sudden barrage of javelins, jarids, and axes that emerge from the shielders who turn the corner, decimating my team in a minute. Fearing for my life but tasting sweet revenge upon my tongue, I spy two other shielders hiding in a corner, apparently apart from the main throng. Licking my lips, I skulk behind them and slash one twice. He turns, still alive due to his armour and gods know what else.
And...chucks an axe in my face.
I whine.
A week ago, while playing ninja I had no problem dodging flying shit. Maybe it's worse now, maybe archers got smarter.
once you engage in melee with another melee, you are pretty much sitting duck for any archer that decides to shoot you.
For those who say dodging arrows is impossible, I have an advice. Don't zig zag in a pattern. When I see 2h coming my way, zig zaging left-right-left-right, I can only smile, predict his every move and hit him easily. Also, get the feel how long it takes for an archer to draw the bow and shoot (make an archer and get him to reasonable level to get the hang of it or whatever), if you time your zig zaging right, archers will very rarely hit you. Smart 2h when closing the gap, will run straight to me and when he sees me draw the bow, he moves just the second I launch the arrow. It's very very hard to hit him that way.Why you told them the secret?
I feel the biggest problem for ppl is not the gap closing, but once you engage in melee with another melee, you are pretty much sitting duck for any archer that decides to shoot you.
3. Wear shields, for nonskilled players wodden shield. ( i know it doesent look fine :D, maybe chadz should redesign it to make it more beautiful)
you can easily dodge arrows and even c-bow bolts unless the archer is VERY close to you. How do you think an archer fights another? It is not who shoots first wins, but constand dodging of the others arrows.
To many projectiles?
Buy a damn shield that has coverage.
Why don't u whiners just try those classes urself?
So everyone is forced to screw up their builds with useless shield points just to defend against friendly archers?
And a telling indication of the views on melee "balance" when 1h/shielder builds are "useless". Buff 1h/shields imo. ;)
you can easily dodge arrows and even c-bow bolts unless the archer is VERY close to you. How do you think an archer fights another? It is not who shoots first wins, but constand dodging of the others arrows.
For those who say dodging arrows is impossible, I have an advice. Don't zig zag in a pattern. When I see 2h coming my way, zig zaging left-right-left-right, I can only smile, predict his every move and hit him easily. Also, get the feel how long it takes for an archer to draw the bow and shoot (make an archer and get him to reasonable level to get the hang of it or whatever), if you time your zig zaging right, archers will very rarely hit you. Smart 2h when closing the gap, will run straight to me and when he sees me draw the bow, he moves just the second I launch the arrow. It's very very hard to hit him that way.
I feel the biggest problem for ppl is not the gap closing, but once you engage in melee with another melee, you are pretty much sitting duck for any archer that decides to shoot you.
There's actually a simple solution to this. Having a % allowed of archers and throwers in the teams. Past this %, extra people see their bows/throwing weapons disabled. No need to nerf them more this way, and you won't see half of your team going archer anymore.
An OLD BOARD SHIELD has a requirement of ONE SKILL POINT and will block 200 points of damage with 26x60 coverage for a measly 4.5 weight. That is more than enough to get you where you need to be, at which point you can just drop the shield to let you move faster (and come back for it if needed).
If putting ONE SKILL POINT into shields is going to suddenly ruin your entire build and make it so you suck at the game, then you already suck at the game.
And what about the inventory slot a shield takes? :?
It's really easy to shoot shielders these days, unless they're dedicated shielders with a huscarl.
(6 shield skill, i don't know why).
Which shield is that tiny metal one that appears to erect a 360 degree projectile barrier? How many points do you need for that?
Which shield is that tiny metal one that appears to erect a 360 degree projectile barrier? How many points do you need for that? (And has its apparent awesomeness changed since the patch?)
vvvvv Is that what you were talking about? Because I'm curious about it
Too much shit flying through the air, Melee Class are getting it in the ass from all comers.
Does anyone have a solution as the balance of power has clearly shifted toward these classes ?
Maybe nerf archer damage and accuracy toward melee class and keep it the same for archer/archer engagement.
When the patch before last nerfed archery a bit, the battles were far more engaging for all classes imho.
Between archery and throwing, melee class can't swing a sword without getting a projectile to the face.
But the fact that this has gone to 4 pages indicates to me that you guys missed the point that this guy is retarded.
No Offence but are you fucking retarded?
How the fuck does this solve the problem which the Original post states?
This just makes the problem worse...
Now if u try archery/xbow/throwing urself u realise that when u see a guy who is facing u with a shield u know that u cannot hurt him with ranged weapons.
There is no problem....
Ranged weapons are in balance....
Skills that the players have are not in balance....
I am sorry I didn't read any other posts in this discussion. But the fact that this has gone to 4 pages indicates to me that you guys missed the point that this guy is retarded.
Also, get a shield. In fact, hire three hookers to carry a shield and then stand infront of you.
U missed the whole point.Utter Rubbish tbh.
Projectiles do not bother me when I go 2h, 1h, polearm, cav or as an archer. I carry a shield for protection. Archers are the least of my problems.
2h-players who whine about archers just plain suck ass. They always go RAAAAGHHH CHAAAARGE KILLL ZIE PESANTS.... and then they are fucking dead.
If they were killed by projectiles they create projectile whinebitch thread.
If they are killed by horses they come here and bitch about horses.
Simple fact is that they made a mistake and got themselves killed. Plain and simple.
Now if u try archery/xbow/throwing urself u realise that when u see a guy who is facing u with a shield u know that u cannot hurt him with ranged weapons.
There is no problem....
Ranged weapons are in balance....
Skills that the players have are not in balance....
Utter Rubbish tbh.
I don't give a "flying" monkeys **** about dying in a game. :) It happens. I'm a big boy, I'll get over it quickly enough.
The original post did not mention anything about complaining about death. Even to the most dimwitted observer, the title could hardly have been more self explanatory.
Do yourself a favour, if you've nothing constructive to say, say nothing instead.
You can stay on the failbus until it reaches the terminus tbh, no charge. :)
An OLD BOARD SHIELD has a requirement of ONE SKILL POINT and will block 200 points of damage with 26x60 coverage for a measly 4.5 weight. That is more than enough to get you where you need to be, at which point you can just drop the shield to let you move faster (and come back for it if needed).
If putting ONE SKILL POINT into shields is going to suddenly ruin your entire build and make it so you suck at the game, then you already suck at the game.
For my build I have to give up 1 powerstrike or 1 weapon master to have 1 spare point for shield.
Individual archers can be dealt with using a little guile and cunning, the problem for me though as originally stated, was the amount of projectiles in the game.
Oh that's the buckler. Those are stupid, I'm not a fan. They're not as good as they were, but they still catch arrows they shouldn't. My resoning? If you could block an arrow with a buckler ON PURPOSE, opposed to sheer luck of the arrow being shot directly at the damned thing, you could have just caught the arrow with your bare hand. So I say BS to bucklers.That is is as stupid as saying that if a tennis player can catch a ball at 200 km/h with his racket then he could also catch it with his bare hand.....
No the one I was talking about is the "Heater Shield" it's brown, has the black lion thing on the front. Looks like it's covered in leather?
That is is as stupid as saying that if a tennis player can catch a ball at 200 km/h with his racket then he could also catch it with his bare hand.....