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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Frell on April 29, 2012, 06:24:26 pm
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Me and my friend have jacked up athletic throwers that we run around on servers with pelting enemies (Laquisha and Shaquita)
We were banned from all NA servers on ALL of our characters, including our non-STF serious characters.
Questions is, why? Did the admin think we had absolutely nothing on us and we were just leeching? We were naked but we had weapons, and of course we were kicked the second we were the last two alive in battle even though both of us had kills.
What do I do or where do I go about this? Is it permanent or is it 24 hr?
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...and of course we were kicked the second we were the last two alive in battle...
This is probably where the issue lies, the rules regarding delaying and affecting other players fun is pretty ambiguous so it's down to how an admin interprets it. Generally speaking characters that can run or move faster than 99% of the server such as high AGI distance builds or horse archers / xbows are generally frowned upon running off kyting people when everyone else on their team is dead. If I'm playing on a horse I'll generally dismount and fight if I'm the last guy just because I feel a bit of a dick riding around making everyone wait for me.
Argue the morals of that all you like, for your build to be effective you've sacrificed melee capabilities etc and need to keep at a distance. You're playing your build to its benefit just like a 2H sworder does yada yada. However, everyone on the server is able to have a chance at hitting a 2H sworder if he's last on the field, the same cannot be said for an AGI distance build. No one wants to spend 5 minutes watching some naked pair of AGI whores running around just so they can get valour.
But anyway, the admin no doubt warned you about it long before a ban was put in place if not:
What or where do I go about this?
There's a forum for unban requests here:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,5.0.html
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So if I was banned purely on necessary class based survival tactics why can't just that character be banned? We usually just find a lone person and go around them and pelt them with stars until they die and move onto the next, people in chat were getting a kick out of it and many people said "wow that made my day lol" :P If we were ever the last two alive before we usually run and people cheer us on, then when im out of stars I try and run in and punch people and run out without getting hit, it seemed like playful fun, but Id be careful to not tell my friend (over XBL) to not delay for too long because it isnt allowed. I've played CRPG for almost a year and a half now but hes semi-new.
Thanks for the link
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So if I was banned purely on necessary class based survival tactics why can't just that character be banned? We usually just find a lone person and go around them and pelt them with stars until they die and move onto the next, people in chat were getting a kick out of it and many people said "wow that made my day lol" :P If we were ever the last two alive before we usually run and people cheer us on, then when im out of stars I try and run in and punch people and run out without getting hit, it seemed like playful fun.
Thanks for the link
Your whole account is banned because it's not the character that's being banned, it's you the player. Otherwise people would make troll characters knowing their "mains" are safe from admin reprisals. You've got to remember it's a multi player game and you're in a server with 100 odd other people around the world, from an admin standpoint the majorities "fun" comes before the individuals. :wink: If it was about you being naked, shove a shirt on which is 0.2 and a pair of turkish shoes which are 0 weight.
I'm not an admin / mod so I can't tell you why exactly you were banned :P Usually you'll get given warnings to change your play style or kicked long before you're banned. Unless it was a vote ban? Chances are it's just a 24 hour ban though, but good luck finding out exactly what happened.
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If you were running then throwing, you would be fine because you are fighting. But if you are out of ammo and run for no reason, then yes, it is punishable. If you run out of ammo, either run into the horde or pick up a weapon and start swinging. PS or no PS.
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I think there was racist motive involved seeing as how two prominent black women in the community were both banned at once while enjoying the game innocently
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According to the logs you were banned by Tydeus. It was his judgement, He should weigh in on the issue in your unban thread (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,31020.msg457510.html#new)
With that being said, your ban is scheduled to be lifted Later tonight. Looks like a 24 hour ban.
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If you were running then throwing, you would be fine because you are fighting. But if you are out of ammo and run for no reason, then yes, it is punishable. If you run out of ammo, either run into the horde or pick up a weapon and start swinging. PS or no PS.
We never kept running if we ran out of ammo, we just went in fists a blazin.
According to the logs you were banned by Tydeus. It was his judgement, He should weigh in on the issue in your unban thread (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,31020.msg457510.html#new)
With that being said, your ban is scheduled to be lifted Later tonight. Looks like a 24 hour ban.
We usually go out by the water (on the map we were on, tropical) to wait for lone people by the beach because flat land is easiest for us to maneuver on, but before we knew it we were the last 2 left and banned not even 20 seconds after.
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We never kept running if we ran out of ammo, we just went in fists a blazin.
We usually go out by the water (on the map we were on, tropical) to wait for lone people by the beach because flat land is easiest for us to maneuver on, but before we knew it we were the last 2 left and banned not even 20 seconds after.
If you're in a pretty obscure spot, naked with only the cheapest throwing equipment and the last 2 alive it's going to look like you're not only leaching but valour whoring. You've got people paying out the ass in repairs to wear higher tier equipment in order to help their team win and you're paying nothing and making everyone wait while getting an experience bonus it's going to bend a few noses out of shape :P
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Last time I checked the winning team is determined by the top 3-5 players not everyone else :P And theyre STF characters so winning is useless (to me) but I still went for kills which is basically helping the team (and we did have a few kills) we killed many horses and we slowed down alot of runners so archers could hit them
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Technically you shouldn't be banned for this behaviour unless like bishop said it was cheap equipment and leeching instead of engaging. One of the big time devs stated that it was fine if you were playing your class, so last player xbow cav can actually delay like they always do. Polls can still go through cause thats the community aspect, but I don't know why Tydeus would ban you.
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I've noticed a huge double standard when it comes to this. I've played countless games where a large clan hx character repeatedly was the last person alive and delayed like no other. Comments in chat were, "he's playing his class". On other occasions a thrower of another large clan was repeatedly the last one alive and delaying against 10+ opponents but no warnings were ever issued. These examples happened over a the course of days and at different times.
Wanting to test my theory that "popularity" has a play in delay bans I created a non-recognizable STF character and intentionally delayed on separate occasions. The immediate result was an outcry from the player base to "ban he" and other complaints about delaying followed by warnings from the admins even though I was playing exactly as the others who delayed on a regular basis and had kills. I did not press any further fearing an account ban.
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Nobody cares when Chucky_Tosser "delays". I hope this wasn't the reason you were banned.
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The irony of the double standard is immense - if delaying is going to result in bans, time for some HX to get some 24 hour cooldowns.
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I do care when Chucky waste everyone time by trying to loot his axes when he's facing 11+ persons, and I wreally wish I could ban him.
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I think that everyone deserves a chance to fight, regardless of whether it's a waste of time.
As long as they're doing something (kiting enemies, looting ammo, sitting in ambush, ect) I don't see how it's an intentional delay. There's definitely a distinction between someone that's being elusive and hard to kill, and someone that's been sitting in a haystack doing nothing for 5 minutes.
You might be annoyed that they're not rushing in to die right away, but ultimately it's their choice to make and you should respect that.
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Its a big fucking waste of time, they accomplish nothing.
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"wow that made my day lol" :P
Those were my exact words earlier today, as I sipped my Keystone Light like a fucking pimp. Your antics were funny, and made both myself and my roommate rather happy--just for that, you have my unconditional support. Even if reason were to contradict my support for thine actions, I would still support thee, because black people throwing stuff is hilarious.
Also, abooze.
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Seems kinda lame to me, I mean if you get a draw then fuck you! But if your kiteing then I don't see an issue personally. But maybe you caught Tydeus on a bad day or something, we are all just human.
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Its a big fucking waste of time, they accomplish nothing.
Well neither did the rest of the team, did they?
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Hahaha! You got what u deserve
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Lets give tydeus a chance to weigh in. I respect his judgement more than most admins. I do hope this gets sorted out!
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When they were banned they were standing in the middle of the water on the Oasis map(Not sure about the exact name, it's a relatively new map) about 100 yards away from the closest enemy, let alone the closest point to which any ally had ever even come to them. The ban was also only for 12 hours, not 24.
Edit: The ban had absolutely nothing to do with their builds or how they chose to fight when they actually were fighting. Sitting off in a random corner of the map until you are the last alive isn't contributing to your team, this has been our stance since about a month after these servers came up. Not only should this be common sense, it's also specifically stated in the Official Server Rules.
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We wait in the water because horses cant get us unexpectedly and we look for lone players to assault. We had played that map before and we always had the best odds at the beach, we didn't really pay attention to the team counts. The main part of the map was too hilly for us to survive so we had to be there. We do normally wait for team count to get to 15-15 or so before we come out otherwise well get rushed or shot down, but we were in an xbox live chat planning our lancer builds and before we knew it we were the last 2.
Tydeus, why no warning though? The only other time we did it we were on separate teams and we were trying to be the last 2 so people could get a kick out of shaquita and laquisha throwing ninja stars at eachother naked. And they were, but there was one horser left that came and trampled me lol
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You are pretty much admitting you are not contributing, you are hiding in a corner while 2/3 of your team dies...
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What? We had kills. Its not against the rules to pick your battles. The only portion of the team that matters is the top 5 players, everyone else is just clutter.
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"your 4 hour ban turned into a 24 hour somehow, oh and I left it as teamkilling instead of leeching/delaying cause im lazy! lol!"
he's so incompetent, he literally just ragebanned you and made up some bullshit reason afterwards
that PRO tag speaks for itself
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According to the logs you were banned by Tydeus.
Well that solves it LOL
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Its a big fucking waste of time, they accomplish nothing.
But it's against the rules to just run into the enemy team and die... do the rules really need to make this game harder to play for peasants than it already is?
Die at the beginning, banned for rushing in. Be alive at the end, banned for wasting everyone's time because you're not going to accomplish anything.
Yeah that's just great. Cav players rush to the spawn for kills, sometimes they get killed, no ban for them. Tom Cruise the last samurai is the last alive against 20 players, not having anything the entire round up to that point, no ban for him...
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I ran around like a naked jackass when I first started and nobody seemed to mind...I respecced super early because I screwed up and was sick of taking repair costs at such an early level when Serge or somebody is just gonna fart in my direction and kill me anyways.
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But it's against the rules to just run into the enemy team and die... do the rules really need to make this game harder to play for peasants than it already is?
Die at the beginning, banned for rushing in. Be alive at the end, banned for wasting everyone's time because you're not going to accomplish anything.
Yeah that's just great. Cav players rush to the spawn for kills, sometimes they get killed, no ban for them. Tom Cruise the last samurai is the last alive against 20 players, not having anything the entire round up to that point, no ban for him...
He's a thrower, so he throws shit, once he's out of ammo he goes to fetch a weapon and team up with other team mates if possible, but for fuck sake don't go running around until all your ammo are either into someone or a shield, its ridiculous.