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Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« on: June 29, 2017, 09:45:00 pm »
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Yesterday we had over 40 people on NA_2 Siege and several times I found myself getting 1 shot by Long Mauls (Sauce, Ra the Sun God, Rohy), a 2 handed sword (pro_meridius), and a bearded axe (forgot the guy's name). I have 27 str, 4 if, and was wearing the light plated brigandine with heavy gaunts and gotland helm.

I think it's a little ridiculous that I already have moved to a higher str build just to have a better chance at fighting against the massive damage dealing, +3 plate adorning, 10 IF wielding mobs, and I still get 1 shot. With this trend everyone is going to be at least 33/12 soon, or just go play 18/27 or 21/24 2h.

idk how to balance this or maybe I just need to get good or something but I definitely think all these impentrable 1-hitters running around are also deterring new players from persevering in the grind to full-playerhood. I mean new players in peasant robes get some merciful treatment but as soon as they buy their first light kuyak they are now considered a big boy and will just get fUcKEd by these top cucks
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 10:01:47 pm »
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Odd, with my 24 str 5IF i dont recall having ever been oneshot, with varangopoulos set on, helmet not loomed. Jump less, move more defensively and dont let them hit your head i suppose.
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2017, 12:46:13 am »
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2017, 01:15:52 pm »
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Right mouse button to block.

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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2017, 06:06:26 pm »
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 08:46:39 pm »
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Speed bonus + hit in the head
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2017, 03:52:24 am »
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lets tak e it 2 duel retards and c how YOU like being callled BAD fCUKERS
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2017, 06:52:18 am »
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It seems against this build, you are in the realm of being 1 shot, especially since movement speed %'s are not calculated into the damage. Additionally, I remember San specifically wrote somewhere on the forums that up attack damage does the most damage. Add those 2 factors in, and you pretty well might get one shot.

So, if you are running full speed toward a mauler and they are doing the same, the  movement speed + up attack dmg + headshot + str build = 1 shot. I think personally if you at least block a crush-through weapon, a large portion of the damage should be mitigated if it successfully renders the block useless.

However, it's not really surprising that people are getting smashed even in heavy armor. I don't think the damage system is broken, I think having level caps this high is really pushing the system to its breaking point.


 


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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2017, 02:31:08 am »
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It's happening to me too. I haven't changed my build or armor in years, so it's a relatively new problem. It used to take 3-5 hits to kill me. Now I'm lucky to not die in one.

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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2017, 12:20:30 am »
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well the problem isn't a few people running around with these crazy strength builds, it's the fact that all the people ive mentioned are also some of the better/top crpg players so you can't pull the normal anti-tincan tactics on them.

because these good players are running around so effectively killing people with their massive remnant/semenstorm stack, everyone else is increasing their str and armor accordingly to attempt to stand a better chance, pretty much like str-build inflation.

you can keep saying "get good get good" but if two equally talented, equally error prone players met in a duel, one wearing heavy armor with a str build, one wearing light/med/heavy(doesnt matter) armor with a lower str/higher agi build, then the player with the str and IF and PS will win every time. If both players are equally talented and prone to error, then the one who has the resources to make more mistakes (the one with the health and damage) will perform much better.

Agi builds can be tough to play, but builds that are tough to play should have much higher rewards when pulled off right.  players can't deal with having to hit tincans 5+ times (remember that a lot of these tincans are very skilled players) while also being susceptible to 1-shot deaths

the str inflation is real and is killing the mod

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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2017, 02:13:11 pm »
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 08:34:06 am »
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you can keep saying "get good get good" but if two equally talented, equally error prone players met in a duel, one wearing heavy armor with a str build, one wearing light/med/heavy(doesnt matter) armor with a lower str/higher agi build, then the player with the str and IF and PS will win every time. If both players are equally talented and prone to error, then the one who has the resources to make more mistakes (the one with the health and damage) will perform much better.

Would they though? I mean, the str player moves significantly slower which the agi player can punish with good footwork. In 1v1s the agi player will generally control the pace of the fight too, since they'll swing much faster and feel less pressure to block the slower swings of the str player. I do agree that str is powerful at the moment though (something like 27/21 is optimal IMO), definitely seems to be the str players tearing up in group fights on NA lately.

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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 08:42:39 pm »
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something is fucky with this shit, people are hitting way too hard
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 09:10:38 pm »
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Would they though? I mean, the str player moves significantly slower which the agi player can punish with good footwork. In 1v1s the agi player will generally control the pace of the fight too, since they'll swing much faster and feel less pressure to block the slower swings of the str player. I do agree that str is powerful at the moment though (something like 27/21 is optimal IMO), definitely seems to be the str players tearing up in group fights on NA lately.

also git gud

thats why i clarify 'two players who are equally skilled/error prone'. they both know what the other will try to do to beat them and fight accordingly.
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Re: Getting 1-Shot while wearing heavy armor
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2017, 10:15:14 pm »
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im 33/15 with 7 if and i feel like i die rly fast

health is breaks i think