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Should the ban be modified?

No, keep him banned for the whole time.
No, give him a chance to write an essay.
Yes, Give him one month of a ban.
Yes, unban him (after 1 week)
Give him run.

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #450 on: May 27, 2014, 10:48:31 pm »
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Sometimes, I try to look at things in a simple manner.
My breakdown:

#1: Lemon butchers a chat message that makes it look like Sugar is calling Canary a 'bundle of sticks'. Let's be honest, Sugar would have said 'friend'.
#2: Canary permabans for horrid impersonation. This was originally a year I believe, but was then extended to a permaban. In all fairness, impersonation is wrong, but in this case it was out of a no-shits-given trolling attempt. Nobody took it seriously.

This is inaccurate.

#2: Lemon gets banned (for 356 days) for impersonation with intent to grief. At this point the idea was such that an unban appeal was possible.
#3: Once I went through the logs (confirming intentional TW which got him a warning in the first place, among other things) and looked at his ban record the ban was changed to permanent.

I hadn't realized how much trouble he had gotten into/was continuing to cause until I checked.

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #451 on: May 27, 2014, 10:58:31 pm »
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There was no intent to grief with the "impersonation"

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« Reply #452 on: May 28, 2014, 05:30:46 am »
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I just need this confirmed and dumbed down a little bit.

You banned Lemon at first because of the impersonation with intent to grief who? You?
At the same time that you banned him you did plan on giving him the opportunity to appeal and shorten his ban?

The whole TW thing makes sense to me I just need the first part cleared up a little bit more if you wouldn't mind.
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #453 on: May 28, 2014, 03:41:12 pm »
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Intent to grief the person he was impersonating. Trying to make me think somebody else was calling me names.


And yes. Any given ban has the possibility of an unban appeal barring extreme situations like a lot of prior bans on your record. In many cases an unban still might not be granted, but that is left to the discretion of the admin issuing the ban. (typically things like how the offender responds to being banned and what they say in their ban request are considered along with past history, and we try to determine whether there's any indication that they might or might not continue to break the rules - it is not a science)

In this case, I knew Lemon had caused trouble before so the showy 356 days (the highest number you can fill in the duration boxes with) was to emphasize the fact that we (the admin team) were paying attention. As it turned out we weren't paying enough attention, I guess.


tl;dr - The initial ban was long because I knew he was a troublemaker, but the plan was not to make it permanent; not, in particular, because of what the initial ban was issued for (in terms of cRPG servers, relatively mild chat abuse/griefing).

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #454 on: May 28, 2014, 03:44:37 pm »
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #455 on: May 28, 2014, 06:14:36 pm »
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I have more questions but I don't believe that this ban will be changed at all.

I guess all there is to do now is to bury Lemon and hope he sprouts a tree of Lemonlings.
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #456 on: May 28, 2014, 07:21:03 pm »
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #457 on: May 28, 2014, 07:58:14 pm »
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I'm pretty sure he just bought a new account

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #458 on: May 28, 2014, 08:04:05 pm »
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I'm pretty sure he just bought a new account

If he did buy a new account why would you even mention that he did. Then admins would be on the lookout for him and potentially perma ban him as soon as they find out it was him and that he broke a rule.
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #459 on: May 28, 2014, 08:06:40 pm »
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Well they have no physical proof that it is actually the same person so by that reasoning the shouldn't be able to. Also, I'm pretty sure Aldo has bought a new CD key like 15 times.

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #460 on: May 28, 2014, 10:53:25 pm »
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If he did buy a new account why would you even mention that he did. Then admins would be on the lookout for him and potentially perma ban him as soon as they find out it was him and that he broke a rule.

I bought a new cd key once.

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #461 on: May 29, 2014, 03:47:29 am »
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lol

At least someone caught that.

In my case it doesn't matter, admins know that I have multiple cd keys and switch between them regularly.
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #462 on: May 29, 2014, 04:20:12 am »
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No grief was intended nor caused upon Sugarhoe. Ask him yourself. You are wrong Canary, I already bought a new key, just admit it.

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Re: Opinions
« Reply #463 on: May 29, 2014, 04:30:24 am »
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you're not owed anything other than a kick in the ass for all the people you have griefed
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Re: Opinions
« Reply #464 on: May 29, 2014, 05:41:29 am »
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I don't even know who you are, you just come to this thread on the forums to troll at this point. I've never even seen you in game before.