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Title: Buying it or nah?
Post by: Mlekce on February 22, 2020, 07:58:56 pm
Bannerlord is almost here, (if they don't delay it again)  :lol: what is your thought on this? Will you buy it or not?
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Post by: Torben on February 22, 2020, 08:15:11 pm
at some point Ill be drunk enough to buy  it I guess.
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Post by: Asheram on February 22, 2020, 08:22:23 pm
When mods are added or its on a big sale.
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Post by: Ikarus on February 23, 2020, 03:52:50 am
sure, I practically owe them
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Post by: Golem on February 23, 2020, 09:00:29 am
sure, I practically owe them

What he said.
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Post by: Rest_in_Peace on February 23, 2020, 10:36:37 am
only for singleplayer cus multiplayer looking garbage
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Post by: Drunken_sailor on February 24, 2020, 07:41:32 am
I have to upgrade my computer first, so probably not for awhile
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Post by: Jona on February 24, 2020, 03:35:39 pm
I finally sat down and tried the beta yesterday, definitely won't be buying this one for multiplayer, if at all. The combat felt clunkier and more sluggish than war of the roses ever did. Just gotta hope that the singleplayer can make it worth it, otherwise I sure ain't buying it until some good mods drop.
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Post by: Lord_Carlos on February 27, 2020, 10:09:56 am
Maybe its a bit better to wait. So we see if it sucks or not.

Wait for the first sale 50€ is a lot.
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Post by: Nickleback on February 27, 2020, 08:31:37 pm
I'll wait for yeldur to get me the game.
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Post by: Peasant_Woman on March 04, 2020, 04:43:41 pm
Getting it day 1, even if it's unfinished I'll be playing it for years to come, so seems a good purchase to me.
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Post by: Golem on March 04, 2020, 06:33:29 pm
Will get delayed once more? Yay or nay?
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Post by: Ikarus on March 04, 2020, 07:50:33 pm
Will get delayed once more? Yay or nay?
the full release maybe, but not the early access

after all, there's plenty of people playing it already
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Post by: Golem on March 05, 2020, 08:44:31 am
I thought EA will feature singleplayer. Beta is multiplayer only.
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Post by: Ikarus on March 05, 2020, 04:56:40 pm
well have to wait until end of march until we know more about that
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Post by: karasu on March 09, 2020, 06:16:41 pm
Tried the Beta just to check all the fuss, and that multiplayer is just an unpolished mess. Everything feels so disconnected, left me disgruntled.

Hope the Single Player Campaign is good to make me consider getting it before a sale.

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Post by: Nickleback on March 09, 2020, 07:06:21 pm
Tried the Beta just to check all the fuss, and that multiplayer is just an unpolished mess. Everything feels so disconnected, left me disgruntled.

Hope the Single Player Campaign is good to make me consider getting it before a sale.

I love you for even trying old nerd retarded old admin!
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Post by: karasu on March 10, 2020, 03:26:41 pm
I love you for even trying old nerd retarded old admin!

 :oops: love you and your sexy avatar.
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Post by: Ikarus on March 10, 2020, 07:20:33 pm
now kiss
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Post by: Ikarus on March 13, 2020, 05:50:00 pm
taleworlds is switching to home office

https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/321
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 13, 2020, 06:55:56 pm
I won't buy. Not really interested. At least not in early access.
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 18, 2020, 09:41:23 pm
I finally sat down and tried the beta yesterday, definitely won't be buying this one for multiplayer, if at all. The combat felt clunkier and more sluggish than war of the roses ever did. Just gotta hope that the singleplayer can make it worth it, otherwise I sure ain't buying it until some good mods drop.

I gave it a couple week attempt, but the multiplayer combat feels horrible.  Not exactly sure where the problem is, but it just feels like shit.  I'll be buying it for single player, but going to ignore my emotional ties to Warband and do what I would with any other game like this, gonna wait to see progress and it go on sale.  Will likely only be playing for single player until mods fix the game.

No clue how it could have possibly taken almost a decade to make this game, the only thing that makes sense is the rumors that they had some sort of issue (malware encryption maybe, or servers/backups failed) where they basically had to scrap progress after working on it for a few years and start from scratch. 
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Post by: Leshma on March 19, 2020, 10:52:41 pm
All they need to do is to slap new graphics on old mechanics. But just like most devs, they were too full of themselves and thought they could improve upon Warband. Like chadz and cmp, like War of the Roses guys...
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Post by: zottlmarsch on March 19, 2020, 11:19:07 pm
No clue how it could have possibly taken almost a decade to make this game, the only thing that makes sense is the rumors that they had some sort of issue (malware encryption maybe, or servers/backups failed) where they basically had to scrap progress after working on it for a few years and start from scratch.

The deve ran
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Post by: Nickleback on March 20, 2020, 02:35:38 pm
The deve ran

This joke aint funny anympre take it back.
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Post by: Panos_ on March 21, 2020, 09:02:26 pm
Bannerlord is fucking trash.

Saw some old farts in the servers though, it was good seeing you bundle of stickss.  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Banok on March 25, 2020, 01:53:13 pm
Once you get used to new animations and small changes its basically exactly the same combat system really. Its funny how knee jerk people playing wb online for 10 years are, I was even feeling the same when I first tried it - it just felt wrong.

If anything taleworlds went too safe. They didn't try to add any real meaningful additions to the combat such as stamina, which means pvp fighting is still 100% about spamming+timing with no real tactical considerations. I think donkey crew touches on what I mean when they talk about stamina halfway thru this video:


Anyway I'm definitely buying bannerlord day one, are you kidding? I will probably spend like 3k hours in the singleplayer even if I never touch the multiplayer. waiting 10 years, upgraded my pc mainly for bannerlord.
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Post by: Golem on March 25, 2020, 02:12:21 pm
If anything taleworlds went too safe. They didn't try to add any real meaningful additions to the combat

Pretty much. They even removed chambering. Gave all classes such low Athletics that they effectively removed footwork, too. The only redeeming quality is the animations, those are nice. Combat needs a ton of balancing. Luckily it seems they are listening to the community. The state of it right now is, it'd be almost fun if it wasn't so sluggish.
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Post by: Ikarus on March 25, 2020, 07:56:22 pm
They even removed chambering.

but they didn't. It's a bit harder and needs a bit of a buff, but they never removed chambers

but yes I also don't like that its so sluggish, with a little bit of footwork you were able to fight halfway decently against a crowd, in bannerlord fighting against 2 is quite a challenge, against 3 a death sentence (unless they're really stupid). But a lot is just stuff getting used to, when it comes to Warband Vanilla, it is pretty similar for me, that's why I got high hopes in mods.

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stamina
thank god we didn't get that, that would take a lot out of fun out of the gameplay. Stamina has been discussed a lot in the past years (in all its various ways of working with the gameplay)and in the end the conclusion was always the same: it just wouldn't work well
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Post by: Asheram on March 25, 2020, 09:38:15 pm
I can get used to the combat, same way I got used to warband combat when crpg died. Its the forced armor that sucks along with faction peasant weapons, some get 1h sword some dont i.e. vlandia choose from stupid sickle or hammer. Also not being able to choose weapons you dont want to carry i.e. I like the asserai peasant 1h sword but am forced to carry 2 bags of throwing items that I dont want to carry. Its always fun getting lanced in back of head while trying to adjust my loadout because I couldnt do it in class/gear selection screen before spawning in.
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Post by: Cyber on March 26, 2020, 04:16:19 pm
If anything taleworlds went too safe. They didn't try to add any real meaningful additions to the combat such as stamina, which means pvp fighting is still 100% about spamming+timing with no real tactical considerations.

I hate you.

They even removed chambering

It's still in the game, but it's completely broken right now. Luckily they have acknowledged it and it will get reworked at some point.

I'll still definitely be getting it. The combat has A LOT of problems and most "veterans" aren't really happy about the state of the game. However, for me, it still has the best combat system if we leave Warband aside. I'm in the mood for hopefully a new active M&B multiplayer scene, even if it the combat doesn't quite match up to WB in it's current form.

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Post by: Golem on March 26, 2020, 05:48:44 pm
It's still in the game, but it's completely broken right now.

I heard it's still in, but I've yet to see it. Unless you mean it's so broken it never happens at all, which I would argue means it's not in.
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Post by: Cyber on March 26, 2020, 06:10:27 pm
I heard it's still in, but I've yet to see it. Unless you mean it's so broken it never happens at all, which I would argue means it's not in.

It happens but it's rare, it's really finicky and the timing window is very small. The best players pull it off maybe ~20% of the time if they are just practicing chambers. Any time you see it in an actual fight it's pretty much always random luck.

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Post by: Xant on March 26, 2020, 07:08:04 pm
Combat is so laughably clumsy and slow in Bannerlord, jesus. Gone is the smooth and crisp combat of Warband, in favor of............ this mess. After Mordhau, it feels so amateurish, and it doesn't even have the good sides of Warband to make up for it.
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Post by: Mlekce on March 28, 2020, 08:55:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTJTnFxQR4


Is this video true? Seems like combat system is more complicated then before. It reminds me of ideas OKAM had.
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Post by: kwhy on March 30, 2020, 04:10:52 am
I'll buy it...

don't know if tomorrows release will be any different than the current beta (prob not) but....

I Currently still don't like the class system with fixed armor/weapons.  Combat is ok, but needs some more work IMO.  Combo Spam will be the word of the day come monday.  just keep clicking to win if your armored up.

Chambering is hard to pull off.  Throwing is ass IMO or just seems MEH.  Shield 4d directional is a nice welcome since it makes you have to do more than just hold one key and block everything.  Mounted combat is ok.

If anything someone is gonna mod and make it better hopefully.

hope to see different MP modes.
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Post by: Golem on March 30, 2020, 03:40:04 pm
Damn, the combat AI is even more fearless than Warband, and it can read your mind, too.
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Post by: karasu on March 30, 2020, 04:52:57 pm
Yeah... I thought about it, and considering the current state of affairs mortality-wise, went and bought it with the -20%.

Is it just for me that Multiplayer crashes often?
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Post by: Golem on March 30, 2020, 05:03:19 pm
I crashed like twice during the Beta, but some people are crashing left and right.
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Post by: Rest_in_Peace on March 30, 2020, 05:04:26 pm
Yea ive heard some ppl tell me their game kept crashing aswell. Game hasnt crashed for met yet tho.
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Post by: Beauchamp on March 30, 2020, 07:45:45 pm
Hm
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Post by: Ikarus on March 30, 2020, 08:55:25 pm
Let's see if they can pull it off

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Post by: Xant on March 31, 2020, 09:12:05 am
What's up with the flinch mechanics? Just started and it seems like it's impossible to fight 1vX because people don't get flinched, they just attack through damage and you get swarmed by retards as a result.
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Post by: Vibe on March 31, 2020, 09:15:51 am
SP seems alright. What do you gain by blocking correctly with a shield? Seems like you can still block even if you don't get the direction right.
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Post by: Golem on March 31, 2020, 09:56:38 am
What's up with the flinch mechanics? Just started and it seems like it's impossible to fight 1vX because people don't get flinched, they just attack through damage and you get swarmed by retards as a result.

You have to hit them with the tip of the weapon and in approximately the middle of the animation, to make people flinch. It's not too bad, could be better. A bigger issue for me is that friendly fire is off, so people just swarm.

SP seems alright. What do you gain by blocking correctly with a shield? Seems like you can still block even if you don't get the direction right.

I find it very barebones. You can't even ask an NPC how the realm is doing! Also the campaign menu navigation is giving me a headache. Why couldn't they just use the Warband layout?
Very underwhelming. Maybe I am not far enough into the game yet, but it feels like there's barely anything to do other than chase looters around, which by the way is a pain in the ass on Realistic movement speed.

Not sure you gain anything, but you can get hit around the shield, if you really suck.
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Post by: Xant on March 31, 2020, 10:47:39 am
Combat in Bannerlord is so fucking awful I'm seriously thinking of refunding it. Jesus Christ, what have they done. Everything is so bad, including movement, and perhaps especially movement.
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on March 31, 2020, 12:14:10 pm
When I got the beta I went from skeptical but still enthusiastic to disappointed and hopeless so quickly. Then only once revisited in Februar and saw no improvement at all, on the contrary. so sad :(
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Post by: Xant on March 31, 2020, 12:44:41 pm
Hahahaha the combat is so fucking bad, it just keeps getting worse the more I play it. You just float around on ice skates, laggily hitting each other. Blocking feels like you're playing on 500 ms even in SP, I keep thinking I blocked something but nope, have to hold it for two years longer than in Warband for the parry to actually work. Meanwhile swarming is the name of the game in SP. Just horrible. Didn't have high expectations when going in, all I wanted as decent combat for SP, but it's too bad even for that.

Everything feels so fucking delayed and laggy. Worth the 10 year wait.
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Post by: Golem on March 31, 2020, 12:55:47 pm
bR0 iTS OnLY EaRly ACceSs, BrO
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Post by: Xant on March 31, 2020, 01:02:59 pm
Why can't these turks even one thing right, why is the practice mode full of archers and javelin throwers????
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Post by: Nickleback on March 31, 2020, 01:44:02 pm
Why can't these turks even one thing right, why is the practice mode full of archers and javelin throwers????

Shshss
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Post by: bilwit on April 01, 2020, 01:22:11 am
They fucked multiplayer pretty badly, team death match is unlimited respawn with completely random spawn points regardless of what team you're on, so it's just a complete mindless clusterfuck. In all modes, literally everyone is a ranged player by virtue of every class having some sort of ranged weapon (ie. throwing). This is exacerbated by the fact that new players tend to lean toward archery since they don't have to figure out how to block and there are no real class restrictions, which means siege mode is basically call of duty with 120 players throwing shit or pew pewing arrows at the same time.

It's going to take some time (and mods) for multiplayer to not be a joke. I guess they meant for skirmish to replace competitive play in battle mode which is a mistake. It's an O.K mode but I don't see why they both can't coexist. Btw queue time for Captain or Skirmish is impossibly long and once you do get in you only get matched with parties of nerdlords who have already been playing the closed invite for months.

I think it's pretty clear with the combat style changes and game mode focus, multiplayer has been brought down to the lowest common denominator in order to make it more accessible and appeal to a wider audience.
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Post by: Xant on April 01, 2020, 02:13:38 am
Initiative is fucked, flinching is fucked, everything about the combat is fucked. I can't even enjoy the singleplayer because of how bad it is. Don't know what I expected, but it wasn't this.
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Post by: Jona on April 01, 2020, 04:24:45 am
The single worst change in combat is probably the fact that if you hit someone, your "turn" is over and they can just instantly swing right back at you despite eating an axe a split second ago. Leads to so many players just mindlessly spamming swings; if they get hit once, no big deal they'll surely just hit you right back since its so unexpected.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 01, 2020, 07:51:24 am
Im having fun so far, combat is feeling clunky but i had the same issue with warband first time i tried it out. Going to give it some more time before i can really say if i like the combat enough to continue for a longer period. On a honeymoon phase still, and we are winning everything quite easily which plays up the enjoyment a big deal.

My complaints so far is that spears are near impossible to use at close range, it just doesnt do much.  Still good for support obviously, but i can really be a true spearman now.
Cav is busted, as it always is. Im not sure its even possible to balance cav really, but the horses are so strong now its insane. Not only is it really tricky to rear them with whatever length of spear, if you do youve got to switch to a 1h to keep damaging it, but even then it wont do that much. Best bet is throwing to kill the rider.
And customization options are lacking, but its early access so whatever.



Big positive is that Skirmish is a great gamemode imo, and makes for easy squad wins  :twisted:
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Post by: Mlekce on April 01, 2020, 11:46:50 pm
I don't like this Bonerlord.
Graphic is nice, animations of picking up weapons from ground is nice too. Combat is weird and i don't understand it.
It is almost like fighting in turns.
The most annoying part is archers that never miss me. I was in arena and every time bot draws a bow, i am gonna get hit.
Throwers on the other hand almost never hit me. Archery is so easy, and bots in combat are so hard to solo beat.
There is nothing interesting to do in bannerlord. Game feels empty to me.
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Post by: Ikarus on April 01, 2020, 11:48:03 pm
nevermind
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Post by: kwhy on April 02, 2020, 01:00:30 am
SP seems alright. What do you gain by blocking correctly with a shield? Seems like you can still block even if you don't get the direction right.

the shields durability will suffer more if you keep blocking in wrong direction.
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Post by: kwhy on April 02, 2020, 01:26:20 am
The single worst change in combat is probably the fact that if you hit someone, your "turn" is over and they can just instantly swing right back at you despite eating an axe a split second ago. Leads to so many players just mindlessly spamming swings; if they get hit once, no big deal they'll surely just hit you right back since its so unexpected.

ontop of that if you just keep clicking left button it automatically start to initiate the next *fastest* swing based on the last animation or direction you were attacking.  I don't think you even have to pick a direction.  So most people are just clicking and swinging constantly mindlessly.  Thats why you'll see a lot of LEFT then RIGHT then LEFT then RIGHT attacks from noobie doobies.

Then you have the chained attacks swing where after you swing you hold the button and choose the next swing direction you get a different animation which I'm not sure if it speeds up the wait inbetween regular attacks.


Bigger difference most people will probably notices from warband to bannerlord is that your positioning is going to matter more because you can't initiate blocks sometimes as fast due to the way the animations work.

Bannerlord's foot stances (which I've yet to really test) which can speed up your attack or make your defense better based on your foot position.  I can't find the video of this anymore and the beta forums gone where people were talking about it.

Only examples I notice if you have 2H or spear you can initiate a stab on either left or right side of your character.  Also I guess if you have for example your left foot forward with 1H and do a left to right it might be faster versus if you had your right foot forward and do a left to right swing.   I've yet to really pay attention to this, but due to the fact blocking takes a little more time to move our hand to the position to block it might mean you have to pay more attention to this.

I've gotten use to it, but can't really say if I like Bannerlord's system more or less.
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Post by: Vibe on April 02, 2020, 08:40:26 am
Some more feedback from SP, avoiding MP for now:
Seems that your overall movement speed is super slow in this game, which makes it hard to outmanuevre any 1vX. Bots aren't as retarded as in Warband and try to circle you, so it's really difficult to fight 1 vs many, given how slow and clunky movement is. Siege defense AI is retarded and gets stuck on walls until the gates are open. Map AI also seems to be a bit dumb, we're losing a war that was heavily in my factions (Vlandia) favor because these idiots are sieging castles with no more than 100 people, instead of making one bigger army.
The shop gear stocks are weird, some factions have great body armor but shitty everything else, I don't know if that's intended or not but for Vlandia for example you can generally find a pretty good stock of helmets but no decent body armor.
Not a fan of how rng the crafting system is, wish there was another way.
Can't recall how it was in Warband, but feels like leveling skills takes quite a while (even with 5 points put into it for max multiplier). And yeah ranged AI is really accurate.
Raiding villages gives terrible loot.

All in all still enjoying it, but considering it took them 10 years to put this out it's honestly quite embarrassing.
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Post by: Golem on April 02, 2020, 02:34:23 pm
All in all still enjoying it, but considering it took them 10 years to put this out it's honestly quite embarrassing.

It's super embarrassing. I really hope they can turn it around, or atleast release modding tools asap.
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Post by: karasu on April 02, 2020, 03:39:21 pm
The game optimization/coding is pretty bad as it was in early Warband (and even late versions, regarding CPU usage, etc).

Having it configured on Ultra settings or Low, is basically the same. Runs really poorly.

Really disappointed so far considering the development time.
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Post by: Rest_in_Peace on April 02, 2020, 05:34:12 pm
200hp horses :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD cancer turks cant even make decent game in 10 yrs of development
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Post by: Fredom on April 02, 2020, 06:04:11 pm
I can only side with the previous comments so far.

Optimization is the poorest I´ve seen in quite some time but whatever hope that's gonna get fixed soon. (I meet the minimum req easily /almost recommended)

Fps drops to like 10 fps back up to 100 repeatedly, laggy gameplay and clunky combat. it really IS an Early Access, however I was expecting some kind of "finished game" when it comes to performance...

Still alotta work ahead but who knows how long it's gonna take to get that fixed.

If you put all this aside which can be really hard sometimes, it's still kinda fun.
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Post by: karasu on April 02, 2020, 06:23:50 pm
it really IS an Early Access, however I was expecting some kind of "finished game" when it comes to performance...

We'd expect that something as core as the game engine to be at least presentable before dealing with the extras, after 10 years. 10. Years.

*yells at the clouds*
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Post by: Bittersteel on April 02, 2020, 07:05:48 pm
They put out this steaming pile of shit after 10 years, referring to "Early Access" and thinking they're gonna make major changes or even fix it in a year is hilarious. It looks exactly like it did when they showcased it back in like 2015 so what the fuck have they been doing for the rest of the time??

Seriously, look at this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-wYZvApOmE

Looks exactly the same, only the combat looks smoother and more like warband LOL useless cunts
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 02, 2020, 07:26:03 pm

Some of my shitty gameplay. I really want a duel server to practice on, feeling off when i play, and not really getting the time to focus in skirmishes. Still enjoying the game though, just gotta learn some of the quirks.
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Post by: Golem on April 02, 2020, 07:35:15 pm
They really need to bring in the Battle gamemode. Also what's up with only aussies having siege servers?
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Post by: Mlekce on April 02, 2020, 10:39:47 pm
Did they do something? Multiplayer now is not bad at all.
Played for a few maps as a 2h, not bad expirience.
Most annoying stuff are horses, they are so strong like somebody mentioned before.
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Post by: Asheram on April 02, 2020, 10:52:46 pm
I wonder what the Dev size and $$$ difference is between Rockstar and TW. RDR2 took the same amount of development time, its single player world feels alive and vibrant with actual voice overs, has mp modes and a co-op/pvp online world and is on all systems, while BL single player feels lifeless.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 03, 2020, 08:00:59 am
I wonder what the Dev size and $$$ difference is between Rockstar and TW. RDR2 took the same amount of development time, its single player world feels alive and vibrant with actual voice overs, has mp modes and a co-op/pvp online world and is on all systems, while BL single player feels lifeless.

I'd assume the dev and budget differences are astronomical.
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Post by: Golem on April 03, 2020, 08:20:56 am
Did they do something? Multiplayer now is not bad at all.
Played for a few maps as a 2h, not bad expirience.
Most annoying stuff are horses, they are so strong like somebody mentioned before.

It's kinda fun when you learn to play around the glitches. What's most fucked up and easiest to fix is movement speed and friendly fire. Winning 1v4+ is practically impossible, if even one of those people knows what they're doing.
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Post by: bilwit on April 03, 2020, 08:44:23 pm
I wonder what the Dev size and $$$ difference is between Rockstar and TW. RDR2 took the same amount of development time, its single player world feels alive and vibrant with actual voice overs, has mp modes and a co-op/pvp online world and is on all systems, while BL single player feels lifeless.

Rockstar has 2000+ employees and have budgets well over 100M per game, GTAV being over 250M and was the biggest budget game ever made at the time. TaleWorlds has about 100 employees.
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Post by: Xant on April 04, 2020, 04:02:58 pm
50%+ of the budget is spent on marketing for RDR, and 2000 people aren't working on a single game. Anyway, there's a rather large space occupied by thousands of studios between "TaleWorlds & Bannerlord" and "Rockstar & RDR 2." Bannelord doesn't really compare favorably to other similarly sized studios either.
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Post by: Jona on April 04, 2020, 08:35:00 pm
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I haven't noticed the stances thing to change too much about combat tbh. In order to hit as fast as possible in warband you'd strafe to your left while swing from right to left, or vice versa. In bl they simply added stances which reinforce that decision, and make strafing left but swinging from left to right an even worse option, which kind of just shoehorns everyone into the same exact playstyle (if you're trying to to play aggressively, anyways). It feels like they added training wheels to the combat which only lowers the skill ceiling by nerfing unorthodox tactics.

I've still yet to adjust to how inconsistent blocking feels, both with and without a shield. Do stances affect blocks as well?
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 05, 2020, 09:28:05 pm
Ive had very little feeling of blocks not working, only exception being against the heavy manevlion which probably just swung slow enough for me to lower my block.

About the stances, whiffing an overhead and following with whatever swing is fastest in the stance is nice, but thats as far as ive gotten in testing them out.
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Post by: Westwood on April 06, 2020, 03:09:18 am
I like the horse movement, feels more like a horse and less like a bicycle. Enjoying a horse archer/thrower campaign. The couple multiplayer games I've tried so far though were pretty rough, clunky and without fluidity. No sense of control or finesse like Warband had. It's almost as bad as Chivalry and possibly worse than OKaM.
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Post by: Golem on April 06, 2020, 08:07:43 am
The thing I despise about the horses is that they don't know how to slow down quickly.
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Post by: Ikarus on April 06, 2020, 10:12:28 am
The thing I despise about the horses is that they don't know how to slow down quickly.

there is no instant stop "control+j"anymore, but try this:
double tap s and hold s for a quick stop
double tap w and hold w for a quick start

especially the double tap w is very practical to get out of shitty situations quickly
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Post by: Beauchamp on April 10, 2020, 08:55:49 pm
Bought it, played for 26 mins, asked for a refund.

It may be good but I can't enjoy it since its so unoptimized it's just unplayable.
Might check it later in a few months... (or decades taking into account TWs speed)
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Post by: Mala on May 04, 2020, 04:03:26 am
Hey there.

For me it is okay-ish. Singleplayer is ... neat, well the story is quite rubbish but i do not care about the banner anyway.
The combat system has pros and cons. I like that weapons have damage sweetspots now (except the menavlion, it hits like a truck at all ranges). Blocking is odd sometimes, because the "forcefield" is a bit smaller but you have still only four options to place weapon/shield to block an attack.

Multiplayer, for me it is better than Mordhau, but not much.
I have seen some familiar names on the servers like panos, leoking, gtx and a few fallen guys.
Anyway the class system ist not really my thing and siege and tdm needs team damage. currently everyone swings wildly at the toons without an icon over their heads to get some cheap hits.
Oh, and i still hate archers and now there is even more of them.
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Post by: Silversword on July 10, 2020, 02:33:12 am
Nah, waiting on the full release to see if it's worth it
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Post by: Mlekce on July 18, 2020, 01:29:58 pm
Nah, waiting on the full release to see if it's worth it

No doubt that your grandchildren will enjoy it.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on July 18, 2020, 10:40:38 pm
First MP update since launch added the ability to change ingame nickname. Just 5 more years for a proper MP.
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Post by: Lord_Carlos on October 10, 2021, 09:24:17 pm
bump

worth it buy now or wait?
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Post by: Torben on November 23, 2021, 11:18:46 am
bump

worth it buy now or wait?

I managed to play like five hours before hanging myself.
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Post by: agweber on November 23, 2021, 03:37:09 pm
I might grab it if it goes on sale for like $20-25. No way would I pay $50 where it is now
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Post by: njames89 on November 23, 2021, 08:26:09 pm
Yeah I wish I had not bought it. Haven't touched it in some time and cRPG is still infinitely more fun.
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Post by: Rest_in_Peace on November 29, 2021, 09:23:48 pm
CAUTION: THIS GAME SUCKS ASS
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Post by: njames89 on November 29, 2021, 09:44:32 pm
It's on target to be playable roughly the same time Turkey will unlock democracy DLC