Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Xant on October 05, 2018, 10:42:34 pm
Title: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Xant on October 05, 2018, 10:42:34 pm
I can't believe he's probably getting confirmed tomorrow. Is #America about defending #rapists now? WTF?
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: bensai on October 05, 2018, 10:57:07 pm
sorry we took after sweden
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 05, 2018, 11:12:57 pm
REEE, riots in the streets
Whats actually going on with the Kavanaugh thing? I havent been keeping up. Theres no evidence to support the claims or something, and people get butthurt?
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: bensai on October 05, 2018, 11:24:30 pm
Yea absolutely no evidence, madam ford's story conflicted with the reports of several of her "close friends at the time" some of who claimed the rape was the talk of the school for months, while Ford herself said, under testimony, she didn't tell anyone till 2012. Nearly every witness with a testimony has a report that conflicts another one. A man who has been under FBI scrutiny for 30 years as a legalman and political activist is now the target of so many claims now that he has the power to influence US government processes. Jesus even if he is proven innocent his life and family will be forever stigmatized by countless people
:/
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Vibe on October 06, 2018, 12:10:25 am
still a shit pick for a supreme justice if you ask me
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Drunken_sailor on October 06, 2018, 01:04:54 am
Yea absolutely no evidence, madam ford's story conflicted with the reports of several of her "close friends at the time" some of who claimed the rape was the talk of the school for months, while Ford herself said, under testimony, she didn't tell anyone till 2012. Nearly every witness with a testimony has a report that conflicts another one. A man who has been under FBI scrutiny for 30 years as a legalman and political activist is now the target of so many claims now that he has the power to influence US government processes. Jesus even if he is proven innocent his life and family will be forever stigmatized by countless people
:/
So its character assassination? Guilty until proven innocent(guilty)?
Its ultimately to remove power from the republicans, right? I hear he is kind of a weak republican to begin with though, and now they just feed him hate which will perhaps make him more biased. So they'll lose and shit will get worse than if they just skipped the rape accusations and let him be as he was.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Algarn on October 06, 2018, 02:17:14 am
Also I'm always amazed by the "resist" movement, never going further than "oranj man bad", "le drumpf", instead of taking an actual look at what spawned Trump and his clique in the first place.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: bensai on October 06, 2018, 03:05:27 am
So its character assassination? Guilty until proven innocent(guilty)?
Its ultimately to remove power from the republicans, right? I hear he is kind of a weak republican to begin with though, and now they just feed him hate which will perhaps make him more biased. So they'll lose and shit will get worse than if they just skipped the rape accusations and let him be as he was.
yea essentially a character assassination. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, this trial won't go away from his career and life any time soon. I don't think kavanaugh is the best choice, but I don't know every single candidate in the states. I don't think trump is the best pres either, but the administration is actually pushing to get a lot of work done, good work that would help the country, contrary to liberal belief. I'm not even a conservative myself I can see the benefits of many of trump's plans. The democrats in the house are just fighting every single bill trump admin is putting out there for no reason, tons of bills that aren't even contrary to democrat party agenda :/
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2018, 05:18:06 am
Literally crying right now
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 06, 2018, 05:27:03 am
this is one of those topics that even hard normies have opinions on- and they're all fucking irrelevant. clearly, the statute of limitations for sexual assault/battery is out after 3 decades. the shitlibs and the neocon remnants alike are fond of saying this is a JOB INTERVIEW HURR
if its a fucking job interview why do i see not a lick of coverage from anyone that isn't the usual lolbertarian sources on his actual work as a lawyer and judge? i would think that might be a little relevant if the hearings and all are JOB INTERVIEW surrogates. i sincerely don't reckon that rich-drunk behavior as a teenager actually has more than a tiny bit of relevance to how an individual would perform on any court, let alone SCOTUS
still a shit pick for a supreme justice if you ask me
there could be worse i suppose, but he's part and parcel of the usual Bush sychophant crowd that STILL inhabits that god-forsaken capital in DC. he was key in drafting parts of Patriot Acts I and II and also (very funnily) helped draft that "tax loophole" for Obongocare's individual mandate that everyone was so upset about several years ago but seems to have forgotten. y'know, the bit where the federal gub'mint mandates that you purchase a product and if you fail to do so you're penalized for it
shoulda put up Napolitano or some dude i've never heard of, then i'd be happy. every jackass in the nation is worried about some absurd ambiguous threat to Roe v Wade or expansion of federally-funded abortion when they should be worried about FBI agents being able to sign their own fucking warrants. well, technically you need TWO FBI agents, one to sign the other's warrant. if you tell ANYONE at ANY TIME about being investigated/raided/your fucking door kicked in, you're gonna do five years in a federal penitentiary. kavanaugh don't give two fucks about the 1st and 4th amendments but at least we're winning the war on the unborn, amirite
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Thryn on October 06, 2018, 05:55:37 am
its okay guys i live in a state where a 100% irish guy calls himself "beto" sound more hispanic
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Grytviken on October 06, 2018, 09:19:25 am
Whats actually going on with the Kavanaugh thing? I havent been keeping up. Theres no evidence to support the claims or something, and people get butthurt?
The protesters are paid actors.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Torben on October 06, 2018, 10:17:18 am
this is one of those topics that even hard normies have opinions on- and they're all fucking irrelevant. clearly, the statute of limitations for sexual assault/battery is out after 3 decades. the shitlibs and the neocon remnants alike are fond of saying this is a JOB INTERVIEW HURR
if its a fucking job interview why do i see not a lick of coverage from anyone that isn't the usual lolbertarian sources on his actual work as a lawyer and judge? i would think that might be a little relevant if the hearings and all are JOB INTERVIEW surrogates. i sincerely don't reckon that rich-drunk behavior as a teenager actually has more than a tiny bit of relevance to how an individual would perform on any court, let alone SCOTUS
there could be worse i suppose, but he's part and parcel of the usual Bush sychophant crowd that STILL inhabits that god-forsaken capital in DC. he was key in drafting parts of Patriot Acts I and II and also (very funnily) helped draft that "tax loophole" for Obongocare's individual mandate that everyone was so upset about several years ago but seems to have forgotten. y'know, the bit where the federal gub'mint mandates that you purchase a product and if you fail to do so you're penalized for it
shoulda put up Napolitano or some dude i've never heard of, then i'd be happy. every jackass in the nation is worried about some absurd ambiguous threat to Roe v Wade or expansion of federally-funded abortion when they should be worried about FBI agents being able to sign their own fucking warrants. well, technically you need TWO FBI agents, one to sign the other's warrant. if you tell ANYONE at ANY TIME about being investigated/raided/your fucking door kicked in, you're gonna do five years in a federal penitentiary. kavanaugh don't give two fucks about the 1st and 4th amendments but at least we're winning the war on the unborn, amirite
Kinda doesnt help that hes siding with corps when it comes to net neutrality either.
I can't believe he's probably getting confirmed tomorrow. Is #America about defending #rapists now? WTF?
Oh do you have some new proof that a crime was committed that the FBI, and Democratic Character Assassinators have missed? Please send emergency email ASAP to Senate, Attention Nancy Pelosi. Sorry, unfounded, uncorroborated, allegations and 30 year old recovered, conflicting memories should not be sent.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Turkhammer on October 06, 2018, 05:40:49 pm
still a shit pick for a supreme justice if you ask me
Also, this. Kavanaugh's stances on a lot of things are shit. It'd have been good if he wasn't confirmed.
.... until Democrats pulled this despicable shit. After the ridiculous smear campaign, and the rhetoric around it (classic leftist motte&bailey tactics, equating "confirming Kavanaugh" with "defending rapists&hating women" matter-of-factly), NOT confirming Kavanaugh would have not only been a tremendous personal injustice to Kavanaugh and his family, but it would've also legitimized uncorroborated #MeToo accusations as a weapon. And make no mistake, it wouldn't only have applied to SCOTUS picks -- or just politics. If the country approved of fucking up a man's life based on nothing but a 40 year old accusation that was literally worse than the usual he-said-she-said, that would've set the tone for how these things are treated in everything.
After the Democrats decided on this course, confirming Kavanaugh was the only rational option left. Which is unfortunate, because there were legitimate things to criticize, like his work with and the approval of the Patriot Act.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Drunken_sailor on October 06, 2018, 11:25:21 pm
they only confirmed him because if they didn't, the D's would get the pick after they win back the majority next election cycle.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Turkhammer on October 07, 2018, 12:26:58 am
If the outcome of all the investigation bullshit is there's no evidence he did anything, how are they going to hold the "victims" to account for attempting to ruin his career and for having a lasting negative impact on his life?
Possibly a civil lawsuit, Dr Blasey Ford the "victim" is a multi millionaire, but most likely they won't waste their time, there's only so much time in life.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: xxkaliboyx on October 07, 2018, 01:04:33 am
If the outcome of all the investigation bullshit is there's no evidence he did anything, how are they going to hold the "victims" to account for attempting to ruin his career and for having a lasting negative impact on his life?
Why would they hold the victims accountable for anything on this limited FBI Background Investigation? This wasn't a criminal investigation by any means, it wasn't even really a standard background investigation. FBI was limited to who they could talk to for the duration of 1 week which at the FBI is 5 working days.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Grytviken on October 07, 2018, 01:08:47 am
Why would they hold the victims accountable for anything on this limited FBI Background Investigation? This wasn't a criminal investigation by any means, it wasn't even really a standard background investigation. FBI was limited to who they could talk to for the duration of 1 week which at the FBI is 5 working days.
Yea unless she did something really stupid like admit it was all fabricated later, there's really no proof it happened or didn't happen and not worth anyone's time to bother.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: xxkaliboyx on October 07, 2018, 01:12:37 am
Yea unless she did something really stupid like admit it was all fabricated later, there's really no proof it happened or didn't happen and not worth anyone's time to bother.
Agreed, it would be political suicide going after the accusers, please, it might open up to some real investigations and subpoenas, and nobody wants that LOL.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Vibe on October 07, 2018, 01:14:06 am
I guess Kavanaugh could sue for "smearing his reputation" but I don't think he gives a fuck. The whole thing was a disaster anyway. 30 year old stuff being brought up on a she-say basis and Kavanaugh crying and pointing to his calendar and talking about hitting weights with his buddies. Embarrasing all around, as is the standard these days for America.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: xxkaliboyx on October 07, 2018, 01:19:08 am
From the events described I dont know how it would be possible for either side to prove or disprove the allegations, it would only ever come back to her word against his. And she's a woman and he's a man therefore our progressive society is instantly certain that she's right and he's wrong. It's just funny that it's possible to have even a token investigation say "he's good" without also saying "she's full of shit", surely those are the same thing - unless you're willing to admit that we simply dont know for sure and never will so why bother?
It's not like this is a new thing, but the possibility of any woman at any time claiming anything they want with zero risk, to attempt to ruin a man's life is pretty hilarious. "Sexual assault ruins lives", sure, I'm also sure that convincing a good % of the nation that someone's guilty of sexual assault also has a pretty impact but noone likes to talk about that so much. The burden of proof is instantly on the man, and the woman risks nothing.
Leaving this here, not related but fun.
I think you might be a little misconstrued, Dr. Ford risked a lot going in front of senators and in front of millions of people on television. Her life is never going to be the same, same for Judge Kavanaugh, I say that is more than zero risk. Isn't confirming the Judge, the opposite of Women are always right, Man is always the wrong argument?
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Grytviken on October 07, 2018, 01:25:21 am
From the events described I dont know how it would be possible for either side to prove or disprove the allegations, it would only ever come back to her word against his. And she's a woman and he's a man therefore our progressive society is instantly certain that she's right and he's wrong. It's just funny that it's possible to have even a token investigation say "he's good" without also saying "she's full of shit", surely those are the same thing - unless you're willing to admit that we simply dont know for sure and never will so why bother?
It's not like this is a new thing, but the possibility of any woman at any time claiming anything they want with zero risk, to attempt to ruin a man's life is pretty hilarious. "Sexual assault ruins lives", sure, I'm also sure that convincing a good % of the nation that someone's guilty of sexual assault also has a pretty impact but noone likes to talk about that so much. The burden of proof is instantly on the man, and the woman risks nothing.
Leaving this here, not related but fun.
It just blows my mind that she waited close to 40 years, had absolutely no evidence, even her own friends don't back her claims, and only brings it up now that he's about to get elected to the Supreme Court. Keep in mind this lady is a professional Psychologist, Professor of Psychology and worked as a high paid consultant to Pharmaceutical companies, she is by no means the innocent naive dummy act she played in the hearing.
I think this is just another stunt in the " i'll do anything to win, dirty partisan politics atmosphere " here in the US . Both parties are guilty of it.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Grytviken on October 07, 2018, 01:34:26 am
What did she risk? A group of people saying that either they can't positively confirm her story (without claiming she's wrong) or that it actually doesnt impact his ability his suitability for this role decades later?
Because of the vague nature of her claim, she literally cannot be proven wrong. She doesnt risk her career in any shape or form, she can never be found culpable for anything. Compare that to the position Kavanaugh is in, will his life in the US be the same after this?
I may be ignorant on this detail, but has she said what she actually wants out of this?
She can't be proven wrong, but It could be proven that certain people conspired to fabricate the whole story if that was the case.
She wanted his nomination turned down because of the emotional trauma she went through all these years from the alleged sexual assault.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Grytviken on October 07, 2018, 01:41:50 am
Even if she's lying, I'd be surprised if there was some big conspiracy around this.
It sounds like her angle is that she wants to punish him personally, rather than any statement on his suitability for the role itself. Bleh.
Considering there are Senate elections next month it could have been fabricated to delay or stall the nomination process hoping the other party would have enough votes to stop his nomination and get someone else in the court. The timing is very suspect and the Democrats loathe the idea of the Republicans nominating Justices to the court. These positions are for life and they are stacking the court with conservatives.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Xant on October 07, 2018, 01:46:09 am
Ford's testimony was hilarious. The fake little girl voice was the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Grytviken on October 07, 2018, 01:56:56 am
no she's just a smart girl and knows half the population of whites in the world would give her money or otherwise feel hellbound guilt deep in their soul
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Torben on October 07, 2018, 06:19:04 pm
shit we all should make donation pages. after all how am I supposed to feel safe as a german now that murrica goes bat shit crazy and probably wont be our daddy anymore.
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: Thryn on October 09, 2018, 06:24:47 pm
shit we all should make donation pages. after all how am I supposed to feel safe as a german now that murrica goes bat shit crazy and probably wont be our daddy anymore.
holy prophet merkel will keep u safe dont worry, keep in contact with your local imam for support brother
Title: Re: #SayNoToKavanaugh
Post by: njames89 on October 09, 2018, 06:27:54 pm
Yet another proof American liberal scum are not communists. Communist would never ask for donation, when communist wants something he takes it from others and nationalize it like a true communist would. We Slav commies tried hard to explain to these brown third worlders what communism is all about, but they never picked on idea. Sadly. With our ideology and their numbers world could be ours today.