This seems to be more of an attack on admins/people that make ban threads rather than an essay.
Nah, he's just a kid...and you made it quite obvious that he was right.
The Ol' SpookIsland tactic doesn't work great does it? Unban SpookIsland, also.
http://forum.melee.org/unban-essays/the-greatest-unban-essay-ever-written-(expression-freedom-maturity-honesty)/ (http://forum.melee.org/unban-essays/the-greatest-unban-essay-ever-written-(expression-freedom-maturity-honesty)/)
The single best unban essay ever written.
Funniest part of it is reading in retrospective the first response to SpookIsland.
This seems to be more of an attack on admins/people that make ban threads rather than an essay. This is your second unban essay which means you have obviously been doing things the community do not approve of. You claim ban mongering will make a community die, but do you think people honestly want to play when people like you can just run around without being banned?
Sorry I feel as if you missed the entire point.
I have nothing against you as a player from a personal point of view bjord. Sure, you have a certain kind of reputation going on that cannot be denied. I as a player however cannot remember having any problems with you in terms of rule breaks or griefing ( and if there were any they could not have been severe since I cant remember them ). From an admin point of view though, I am inclined to say that the points you raise in this "essay" are just unreasonable.
Disregarding the fact for a moment that you completely abandoned the topic, in essence most of the mentalities you demand admins to possess are corruption by definition. From all these years and from numerous threads and chats that involved you as an offender of some sort I always got the impression that instead of accepting rules, you just seem to replace them by your own versions according to your sense of justice and then claiming the others are in the wrong since you followed them. This thread just reinforces this picture.
"Admins have to warn before banning or kicking", "Admins cannot justify bans by old ban records", "Admins have to take the personality of the player into account before issuing a punishment", "Admins are not allowed to ban if the people involved in it are fine with it" etc.
Sorry but no, this is the whole lesson here that you seem to fail to understand. It is neither for you, nor for admins to make up what is acceptable and what is not. It is dictated by common sense, if not otherwise specified by the cRPG staff. It does not matter if you think that your "friendly teamhit" or "fooling around" was meant as a joke when the receiving party does not share it as such. If that turns out to be the case the offended have all the right to claim justice, which should be common sense. What kind of personality an offender has is also of no relevance and must not matter when deciding on an administrative measure to be taken. Anything else would be biased or corrupt.
For the rest of your post I have to agree with Male, you abused your time on stage to fling out insults rather than actually convincing people that you are willing to do better in the future.
It is not my responsibility to decide whether you get unbanned or not but to be honest, if you are still not willing to play by the rules and still insist it is your right to interpret justice in a way that fits you although 16 bans and 2 essays already gave you more than enough chances to realize your fault, there is no justification in lifting your ban.
I agree with Bjord about how bans are scaled up dramatically fast.
I had only one ban I believe, but I know a fair share of people that had 2 or more, and the speed at which you can meet the "1 month ban" bar or even the "unban essay" bar even if you only do some completely minor shit a couple times is completely FUBAR for such a small and chill community.
Lacking time to properly monitor cases, impossibility to apply selective "fair" judgement... admins look at ban history and "word-of-mouth" and thats pretty much it. It is a reality that cannot be denied; at the same time we cant blame the admins for this.
Except for extremely hardcore stuff I believe permabans/essay bans should be replaced by 1-3 months bans, max.
Not sure an essay ban was necessary, he was only dealing with xesta, some would see that as a positive. Then again they are both basically the same, both rages, im pretty sure xesta has been teamhitting on purpose aswell, so its ironic to me that xesta is the one getting bjord banned. But as i mentioned, they are both the same, bjord probably would have done the same in xestas seat had he the opportunity.
A weeks ban or something is probably enough, or 3 days. Such long term solutions are sad to me, i think ragers add a nice flavor to the game.
I agree with Bjord about how bans are scaled up dramatically fast.
I had only one ban I believe, but I know a fair share of people that had 2 or more, and the speed at which you can meet the "1 month ban" bar or even the "unban essay" bar even if you only do some completely minor shit a couple times is completely FUBAR for such a small and chill community.
Lacking time to properly monitor cases, impossibility to apply selective "fair" judgement... admins look at ban history and "word-of-mouth" and thats pretty much it. It is a reality that cannot be denied; at the same time we cant blame the admins for this.
Except for extremely hardcore stuff I believe permabans/essay bans should be replaced by 1-3 months bans, max.
Calling bullshit on that. Trust me, the bans here are lax as fuck. For an example I'll use Guard_SayAttack, he's been reported by me a total of three - four times (Each being successful and leading to him getting punished)
Now, the first time, he was warned, the second time, he was banned for a small period of time, the third time I think slightly larger but still small (ban) and the fourth (still not sure if it's three or four here to bare with me) he was banned for 10 days.
Had it been me administrating the case on a different server, he would have been permanently banned the third time he did it. That's not harsh what so ever. If you can't learn to not break the fucking rules on the third try what's the point in carrying on keeping you here, you've shown you can't behave and thus you should be gone permanently. (GUARD YOU'RE JUST AN EXAMPLE HERE, I'M NOT SPEAKING ABOUT YOU IN GENERAL) (pls no hate me more than u already do :c)
The admins here are nice, don't try and call them harsh at all because they are most certainly not.
If you can't learn to not break the fucking rules on the third try what's the point in carrying on keeping you here, you've shown you can't behave and thus you should be gone permanently.
I would prefer a thriving cRPG community with a bunch of ragers than a smaller one, with silent players swinging around mindlessly.
I wasn't even aware that Bjord was ever banned hahaha.
One could argue that a bunch of ragers is one of the reasons why the community is getting smaller (is it even possible?). Though I am and always was against permabans, I find ragers and retards amusing.
Thats this stance that is a bit over the top for me :wink: and some admins seem to agree with that.
They have the power, they got to decide, I dont; just throwing my piece here, because I've seen a bunch of dudes getting perma'ed for fuck all.
I would prefer a thriving cRPG community with a bunch of ragers than a smaller one, with silent players swinging around mindlessly.
You must be new here.Just because you've fucked around with the rules enough to get slapped with an unban essay doesn't make me new.
Well the way I see it, you can be an asshole in game all you want. Seriously even I am an asshole a lot. I honestly do not care if clanmates/friends fuck around, the game is too small to ban people for having fun even if they are tking each other, if they want to waste their time and have fun doing it, be my guest!, but when you start to do it to others that do not want it, and keep doing it, then we have a problem
I think it's a real shame that there are such volatile and toxic admins like Rico who don't have any problems with exaggerating their role in this community and claim the authority to "rid" the community of players like me.This is fascist me being volatile and toxic, exaggerating my role and claiming the authority to play favorites while colluding with fascist Uther:
blaming the authority, great way to write an unban essay
You appeal bans in the admin or ban thread not in an unbay essay, afaik. Unbay essay is pretty much admitting you were an idiot and taking it up the butt.
I feel the ban was unfair. [...] Some admins are just simply unreasonable.
Okay Bjord, let me try again. Here is what a Devil's Advocate from your perspective could look like:
Imagine you are a judge. A man enters court and reports that his kitten has been murdered by another man. You remember that the very same offender has been reported three times for murdering kittens this week. On a hunch, you ask the police for the man's record. The nice lady on the phone tells you that the guy has been convicted for murdering kittens 16 times. He has probably killed more kittens than that, because some victims didn't talk about it. You say thank you and ask the lady out for dinner at Alfonso's Pizza next week.
You grab a coffee and think about what to do with the kitten murderer case. You know that legal punishment can ruin a man's career, his family, his very life. You decide to consult with your colleague Giovanni. Both of you conclude that the kitten murderer should get another chance. It is a dark world we live in, and we should bring a candle by displaying humanity, even in such a severe situation.
You ask the kitten murderer to reflect about his actions. You want to know whether there is a chance that he won't kill kittens again. Furthermore, depending on what his reasons for killing kittens are, he may have been misguided by circumstances which are outside of his control. Maybe his mother has rejected him, he has never experienced parental love, and does not understand what it means to love and be loved by one's kin. Perhaps what he needs is not punishment, but someone who listens to his story in psychological rehab.
Remembering the skilled liars you have met in the past, you emphasize that the kitten murderer must reflect about his actions in the essay. There is no value in telling him what you want to hear prior to the essay, for he may fake his critical self-assessment just to remain unpunished.
A few days later, you receive the offender's written statement: He says killing kittens is in his nature, and there is nothing wrong with that. Kittens are not humans, after all. The really bad guys kill people, not kittens. He himself is the victim of an evil system where the perfectly sane and acceptable act of killing a kitten out of fine humor has been illegalized for mysterious reasons.
The shock is strong with this one. You decide it is time for another coffee...
Okay Bjord, let me try again. Here is what a Devil's Advocate from your perspective could look like:
Imagine you are a judge. A man enters court and reports that his kitten has been murdered by another man. You remember that the very same offender has been reported three times for murdering kittens this week. On a hunch, you ask the police for the man's record. The nice lady on the phone tells you that the guy has been convicted for murdering kittens 16 times. He has probably killed more kittens than that, because some victims didn't talk about it. You say thank you and ask the lady out for dinner at Alfonso's Pizza next week.
You grab a coffee and think about what to do with the kitten murderer case. You know that legal punishment can ruin a man's career, his family, his very life. You decide to consult with your colleague Giovanni. Both of you conclude that the kitten murderer should get another chance. It is a dark world we live in, and we should bring a candle by displaying humanity, even in such a severe situation.
You ask the kitten murderer to reflect about his actions. You want to know whether there is a chance that he won't kill kittens again. Furthermore, depending on what his reasons for killing kittens are, he may have been misguided by circumstances which are outside of his control. Maybe his mother has rejected him, he has never experienced parental love, and does not understand what it means to love and be loved by one's kin. Perhaps what he needs is not punishment, but someone who listens to his story in psychological rehab.
Remembering the skilled liars you have met in the past, you emphasize that the kitten murderer must reflect about his actions in the essay. There is no value in telling him what you want to hear prior to the essay, for he may fake his critical self-assessment just to remain unpunished.
A few days later, you receive the offender's written statement: He says killing kittens is in his nature, and there is nothing wrong with that. Kittens are not humans, after all. The really bad guys kill people, not kittens. He himself is the victim of an evil system where the perfectly sane and acceptable act of killing a kitten out of fine humor has been illegalized for mysterious reasons.
The shock is strong with this one. You decide it is time for another coffee...
blaming the authority, great way to write an unban essay
Authority in this case were hand picked by Fips. During history of cRPG there were two distinctive groups of admins. First, who were picked by Donkey crew directly which was pretty rare after initial setup of admins they formed in early days. Second group are admins who "ascended to the throne" after they went through "trials" of HRE DTV server. You know, HRE invested a lot of money into Melee which is about to become something... in the near future very soon™
cRPG went to shitter after money came into play. But that will be remedied after Bannerlord comes out this year and group of modders create cRPG like mod which will be superior to game which doesn't exist.
You're calling me a skilled liar, but in reality you're a sociopath. Not to mention your analogy is fucking off the radar, completely blown out of proportion.How is that blown out of proportion? Sounds to me like you're not looking into the whole story and just the base element that now he's killing cats and not teamkilling people.
Reflect on your own shit, bro.
...I wish that was true Leshma, I have never had money in my life (accepting donations, I mean it!), Fips despises me and I got expelled from HRE because I did not comply with equipment restrictions and their no-multiclanning rule. The one who reported me was Fips, by the way; the other members appeared to be okay with what I did. Got to say though, I did have a great time in HRE; it was fun while it lasted.
Excellent social skills Bjord.
A masterclass in how not to get what you want.
Wait, I'm not a person who runs around screaming "BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER BUILD A SIEGE TOWER" in real life? Wtf man my dreams were just crushed :X
lol it seems my thread has turned into + whoring
As I said, even the forums are a game but a more vicious and unforgiving one.
DAMN.
"To some of you, it is as if even the forums and posting is a game of pushing people down whenever you have the opportunity, thinking that your persona here is in any way reflective of who you really are. It's pathetic.
Fucking robots."
DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN.
Yo, ima miss this guy, he says it like it is.
Eh, don't worry, we still have Xesta to fill the chat with insulting remarks to everyone.
Although funnily enough the number of people doing that has substantially dropped, I barely ever see Panos doing it and Blackbow has pretty much stopped since his Admin rights were given to him, Bjord and Xesta were pretty much the only rage entertainment we'd get on the server, let's hope Xesta doesn't get himself banned too.
I probably shouldnt keep posting this stuff, but honestly, the whole essay ban is dumb kiddy shit. its what pretentious douchebag parents do "what did you do? why did you do that?... mommy told you not to do that so why would you do that?"
quit making the fucking kid say why he did it and just punish em already, its dumb kiddy shit.
If people felt bad about the shit they got banned for they would jump on and apologize and plenty have...but to demand it? for what? so you can A: have the satisfaction in knowing you broke him into pretending to apologize or B: to get people to write a bunch of BS for your amusement.
lets get real, no matter how many times someone breaks the rules they eventually get to come back...so just give him his couple months or w.e. and quit poking at him for your own amusement, and do away with the whole gayass essay ban shit, its disgustingly degrading you would bring such a shitty lame ass irl practice into our virtual world, i game to get away from politically correct bullshit like this. because it is just that PC bullshit man, ooooh he broke the rules, lets make him grovel to play again. him writing an essay changes nothing, it simply gives people a show. smoke and mirrors they do the same lame shit in politic...dont do it here ffs.
Fucking Robots Indeed.
lol you only get essay/permabanned if admins have a personal dislike of you.
[...]rofl
It's only a game. We didn't always have these zealous admins if you think back and we still enjoyed the game.
[...]
Bjord is an ass. But not a BAD guy. Xesta is a teenager. Who knows why he does what he does. Hormones probably. He is a very angry little dude.
But this essay, I can't give it more than 5/7 I'm afraid. THIS is how you get unbanned;(Note this user was later Permabanned for unrelated issues.)(click to show/hide)
... I was just told that if I don't like the way admins handle their business I'm free to walk.
The ban prior to this one was withdrawn because the decision making ability of Austriano was found to be unreasonable, but that fact was completely ignored by both Uther and Rico, whom continuously bring up my ban record, of which the vast majority are more than two years old.
That's what I mean by ZEALOTRY.
Fucking reptiles.
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lol you only get essay/permabanned if admins have a personal dislike of you.
to get people to write a bunch of BS for your amusement.
LOL blackbow asked what xesta meant by "idgaf" and xesta thought he meant that he doesnt give a fuck :lol: :lol:
Blackbow pretending to be afk even tho other people approve that amox_cancer was on a th spree he just responded with "idgaf", he is such a f**** biased admin
My opinion is permabans should be given to auto-blockers, texture exploiters, macro-users and people who harass others outside of the community (irl, facebook, etc). Sometimes there is unique situations, but those are extremely rare.I like your thinking:
I'm NA, but even the limited contact I've had with Bjord I've learned that the guy is a prick. There are other punishments that could work well in situations which I call the Ass-hole tax. Make those with large ban histories have to donate 2-5 euros/dollars to the servers whenever they step to far out of line or setup this fund to buy warband keys on steam during a sale to hand out to people to try to bring new blood in. Take away a million exp from their main for each infraction. Compounded bans (add up all the time they are banned and then ban them for that long) and then give the person the option to wait it out or write an unban essay to reduce their sentence.
I like your thinking:
One minor offense removes 500k exp
One ban'able offense removes 1 lvl
Interesting could be to alter the characters. Keeping the level but instead removing 1 strength point :lol:
No Bjord, that's called being consistent. If we wouldn't take the ban history into account, it would be, to put it lightly, dumb.
Plumbo, we don't give out essays because we enjoy it, we do it because we are giving the banned guy a chance to redeem himself. It's done for the record. If he gets banned 15 times and gets an essay, that should be the sign of a last chance for him - change your ways and stop breaking the rules, and you're fine to go. Write an essay like this one, and it's clear what will happen. Trust me, it's rarely a pleasure to ban someone permanently, but there must be a line.
Havelle, go back to your land of memes and gobblins
Regarding the essay:
You completely missed the topic and instead of owning up to your misdeeds, you talked shit and pointed fingers at the others, which is almost completely the opposite of what I asked of you. We chatted before you wrote it, and we talked both about your bans and how some admins tend to be a bit too harsh, but you apparently only cared about the admin part, which makes me sad.
It's not a matter of whether you're a griefer or a chat abuser, if you pile up enough bans, you will always meet the same fate. That is how it works, just and equal treatment. Dislike or like has no part in this, the essay was discussed and after our talk, I made it slightly less strict, yet still you admitted to not changing your ways and instead you said "It's their fault, they're too strict!" - This is not how any of it works.
Instead you turned your essay into some defence argument, which was pointless.
At the time of writing this reply, 38 (57.6%) of votes in the poll rated your essay below average, majority of them 1/5.
Just for the record, let me sum up your ban history here:
21.05.2012 - 5 hour ban for other reasons.
07.06.2012 - 2 day ban for teamwounding, unbanned earlier (after ~2 hours).
15.06.2012 - 5 hour ban for insulting (Kinngrimm case).
18.06.2012 - 1 hour ban for other reasons, shortened to 1 minute.
Plenty of warnings, you would've thought it would help him learn to follow the rules.
05.10.2012 - Essay ban for griefing and harrasment, unbanned 11 days later.
[Here were 2 overrulled short bans for harassment, 3rd one being final]
[1,2] 14.01.2013 - First 2 bans, different hours, for 12 hours and 12 months, both overruled shortly after being set.
[3] 15.01.2013 - 10 month ban due to last one being essay, unbanned on 07.07.2013
And now, recent history.
10.11.2015 - 3 day ban for teamkilling link (http://forum.melee.org/eu-(official)/ban-bjord-68736/)
18.11.2015 - 1 hour ban for teamkilling
21.11.2015 - 2 day ban for exploiting link (http://forum.melee.org/eu-(official)/double-spawning/msg1184295/#msg1184295)
20.02.2016 - 1 hour ban for teamkilling
22.02.2016 - 1 day ban for teamkilling, unbanned after 3 hours due to appeal. (The Austriano ban)
And the current ban, from 27.02.2016.
Here is our chat we had a few days ago, I hope you don't mind me posting it - nothing incriminating, just my perspective and arguments from both sides: 1 (http://i.imgur.com/AuMpl4M.png) and 2 (http://i.imgur.com/otzna3V.png)
So there are two truths that can be said in the end here.
You need a long time to learn apparently. Which is why you will remain banned for approximately 3 months. I'll try and remember to unban you in time.
And if you screw up again after that... Well, next true thing - putting up another ban is only a matter of seconds :lol:
Edit: fixed beloved to below, otherwise I'd be charged for favouritism
"You need a long time to learn apparently."
Some people need more time then others.
Does Bjord not bleed if you stab him, as yourself.
Does Bjord not feel hurt when his heart is broken, as yourself.
Does Bjord not feel bad when rejected, as yourself.
Does Bjord not make mistakes, as everyone else does.
Does Bjord not have cycles like every other girl has?
Every being should be given as much time as needed for them to learn and reach their goal.
Give Bjord more time, and he will learn... taking this huge part of his life (CRPG) away, and the lesson he learns thru this videogame, wouldnt make the world a better place! Only humanity and understanding can save this world!
Unban! and let him continue his way forward to enlightenment! and guide him whenever needed.
What if Bjord never returns, and finds a less cancerous community as this one to corrupt? What if he finds a community thats based on love and actual common sense, and corrupts it?
The gesture of him writing an essay... even tho its lacking, it does show that he is trying to learn, and wants to grow as a human being.
People please! Reflect upon my message.
That song was played at the emergency support/memorial time after my childhood friend died in a traffic accident with his moped 7 years ago (about 18 hours after he got it as a birthday present).This song is ruined for me from those autistic mlg videos I used to watch when I was a much bigger bundle of sticks.
Great memories. :)
"You need a long time to learn apparently."
Some people need more time then others.
Does Bjord not bleed if you stab him, as yourself.
Does Bjord not feel hurt when his heart is broken, as yourself.
Does Bjord not feel bad when rejected, as yourself.
Does Bjord not make mistakes, as everyone else does.
Does Bjord not have cycles like every other girl has?
Every being should be given as much time as needed for them to learn and reach their goal.
Give Bjord more time, and he will learn... taking this huge part of his life (CRPG) away, and the lesson he learns thru this videogame, wouldnt make the world a better place! Only humanity and understanding can save this world!
Unban! and let him continue his way forward to enlightenment! and guide him whenever needed.
What if Bjord never returns, and finds a less cancerous community as this one to corrupt? What if he finds a community thats based on love and actual common sense, and corrupts it?
The gesture of him writing an essay... even tho its lacking, it does show that he is trying to learn, and wants to grow as a human being.
People please! Reflect upon my message.
I'm fine with 3 months, cRPG isn't really that huge of an addition to my life but the general consensus seems to be that it is. :lol:
Peace.