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Title: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 24, 2015, 08:07:54 pm
this is the most fascinating/important shit you're ever gonna not read, cretins

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html# (http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html#)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Torost on July 25, 2015, 02:13:43 am
read Nick Bostroms book "Superintelligence" when it came out.
It is somewhat poorly written, but he gets the message across.

Fascinating to wonder if when and how the singularity will take place.

Not in our lifetime is my bet.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 25, 2015, 02:14:14 am
I have one problem with Singularity theory: intelligence cannot make a robot escape the laws of physics. With electronic computers I don't think we'll manage to have the power to reproduce even one complete human brain, which would be the condition for reaching super-human intelligence in the first place. The author doesn't understand Moore's Law, and then everything he says pretty much collapses from there.

Suppose we manage to create a computer with human intelligence capable of designing more intelligent computers. More intelligence isn't about programming but about hardware resources. Otherwise we'd be capable to do this on a small calculator except we don't. We can only concentrate so much computing power into a small space before wasting stupidly high amounts of energy into heat that needs to be evacuated, as shown with any supercomputer in the world. And that's only the beginning. Super-computers are not (and could not be) designed to be an efficient implementation of neural nets (which is the structure of the human brain and any human-like AI program). That effectively means the term "cps" in this context is a meaningless construct, as any traditional computer would be doing a lot of overhead for each "neuron operation". On top of that, exponential intelligence requires resources growing exponentially at an actually faster rate. Why? Because as I said, you can't concentrate infinite computing power in the same place, eventually you have to build larger and larger computers in order to keep the heat manageable. The fact that your computer gets bigger means the information going from one end to the other end will take more time to arrive. Signals move at around c/2 in copper wires. That's fast, but it's a serious limitation significantly impacting the design of all modern computers nonetheless.

Note though that I can totally imagine it happening with devices specifically designed to be actual networks, not multicore processors. That brings a host of other problems though, and we're technically nowhere near it.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Corwin on July 25, 2015, 02:21:50 am
waitbutwhy is one of my favorite places on the Internet. Awesome blog, and superinteligence article is one of the most fascinating articles. Just want to say you should READ it.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 25, 2015, 05:01:16 am
Do any of the points of skepticism take into account the accelerated rate of the growth of knowledge and that whole thing about not even being able to fathom what's to come, much like people in past centuries couldn't have fathomed the things of today? If everything being used to cast doubt on the possibility of this thing happening is strictly within the paradigm of human knowledge where it currently stands, it doesn't really hold up to the inevitable changes in what is considered possible constantly shifting at an ever increasing rate.

Just because we can't imagine something happening based on the current limits of knowledge, doesn't mean it can't happen. Those limits are constantly expanding and the world we think is flat will soon become round.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 25, 2015, 08:39:54 am
Nor does it mean it can happen.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Tibe on July 25, 2015, 11:39:09 am
Yeah. The "when someone, somewhere will surely shake these borders" argument is not really that solid. The optimisim is nice and all but it doesnt really say anything and is useless at current stage. He's right to be skeptical, cause at this point its just a theoretic possibility based on a theoretic foundation. I predict that when Cutchulu rises, the speed of winds will increase worldwide so much that windenergy will be viable everywhere and shall replace nuclearenergy.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 25, 2015, 11:43:35 am
It reminds me of Pascal's wager.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 25, 2015, 02:26:13 pm
I have one problem with Singularity theory: intelligence cannot make a robot escape the laws of physics. With electronic computers I don't think we'll manage to have the power to reproduce even one complete human brain, which would be the condition for reaching super-human intelligence in the first place. The author doesn't understand Moore's Law, and then everything he says pretty much collapses from there.

Moore Law, electronic computers? What is this, 1980s? Moore Law today serves just one purpose and that is marketing for Intel CPUs. It isn't a thing for a decade already when it comes to consumer electronics.

Quantum computers already exist and can be bought if you have enough cash, software is an issue atm but that will be fixed in years to come. In less than a decade price of those computers will come down to under 100k and their availability will be wider. IBM and HP are already working on consumer versions of quantum computers and those should be revealed in few years to general public.

Electronic computers have hit their limits and no matter what Intel marketing department is spinning these days (we have found new material that will allow us to go bellow 10nm litography, bullshit like that), electronic computers are very near their limits. Next are quantum and bio computers. We'll probably see upgrade to electro-computers such as optic connections between chips but that will happen alongside development of next gen computing which will be nothing like what we have now.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 25, 2015, 07:02:52 pm
Yeah. The "when someone, somewhere will surely shake these borders" argument is not really that solid. The optimisim is nice and all but it doesnt really say anything and is useless at current stage. He's right to be skeptical, cause at this point its just a theoretic possibility based on a theoretic foundation. I predict that when Cutchulu rises, the speed of winds will increase worldwide so much that windenergy will be viable everywhere and shall replace nuclearenergy.

difference being, there's reason to think things are moving in a certain direction based on where things have come from and currently are, as opposed to completely random "theory" about cthulu
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 25, 2015, 08:05:57 pm
No, there isn't.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Tibe on July 25, 2015, 08:54:23 pm
Ctchulu has the power to control weather and generally favors cloudy and windy weather to strike fear into the hearts of mortals.

Your own theory is random, you nonbeliever.....
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 25, 2015, 11:23:22 pm
Moore Law, electronic computers? What is this, 1980s? Moore Law today serves just one purpose and that is marketing for Intel CPUs. It isn't a thing for a decade already when it comes to consumer electronics.

That's pretty much my point, yes. Although the transistor density does still double every 18 months (because Intel is following that line), the frequency of single cores has stopped going up in the mid 00s.

Quantum computers already exist and can be bought if you have enough cash, software is an issue atm but that will be fixed in years to come. In less than a decade price of those computers will come down to under 100k and their availability will be wider. IBM and HP are already working on consumer versions of quantum computers and those should be revealed in few years to general public.

I haven't heard anything of the sort. It's not even clear whether D-Wave's computers are quantum or not, and they won't be used for practical applications until their memory size increases by huge amounts. Software is actually not a problem by the way. We already have "algorithms" for quantum computers.

Do any of the points of skepticism take into account the accelerated rate of the growth of knowledge and that whole thing about not even being able to fathom what's to come, much like people in past centuries couldn't have fathomed the things of today? If everything being used to cast doubt on the possibility of this thing happening is strictly within the paradigm of human knowledge where it currently stands, it doesn't really hold up to the inevitable changes in what is considered possible constantly shifting at an ever increasing rate.

Just because we can't imagine something happening based on the current limits of knowledge, doesn't mean it can't happen. Those limits are constantly expanding and the world we think is flat will soon become round.

This is a misinformed view. Logic is not a social construct, and not everything in science is a changing paradigm. And when it comes to computer science and electronics, most of it is provably set in stone. This isn't biology where discovering a new species in deep waters can change everything (and that is a poor image I should say). Case in point, the speed of electronic signals in cables of various materials is a critically important fact of life. The minimal amount of bits you need to transfer some message without loss is the informational entropy of the message. Pi is an absolute mathematical constant that transcends absolutely everything including any metaphysical belief you may have. The halting problem is undecidable. My criticism of the short term singularity stems from these kinds of things mostly, due to the practical problems involved in making computers that are more powerful. Hell, the first rule that many people seem to forget is that you *need* bigger computers to make machines that are more intelligent.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 26, 2015, 01:15:06 am
Hell, the first rule that many people seem to forget is that you *need* bigger computers to make machines that are more intelligent.

Do people also forget that computers which could only do a minuscule fraction of what our phones can now used to be the size of a room? According to my misinformed view, I think your views are misinformed. But it doesn't matter. Whatever's gonna happen or not is gonna happen or not. And our views will have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 26, 2015, 01:16:51 am
I haven't heard anything of the sort. It's not even clear whether D-Wave's computers are quantum or not, and they won't be used for practical applications until their memory size increases by huge amounts. Software is actually not a problem by the way. We already have "algorithms" for quantum computers.

General purpose quantum computer won't be a thing for quite some time. D-Wave is something akin to accelerator chip, needs conventional supercomputer to finish calculation, but speeds up solving optimization problems by big margin, making problem smaller (engrish). It doesn't give you result, but it tells you what isn't much faster than any super computer would. That is why big corporations are paying tens of millions for it. Second gen runs much cooler (1st is cooled at near absolute zero because it gets too hot, 2nd gen runs 40% cooler) and much more precise (main issue with q-computers is variability of results).

No one but D-Wave people can claim it is true q-comp because:
- it is not available to most researchers (it is very rare globally)
- most researchers don't understand how it works, it is very "black boxy"

HP put its future on next gen computing, it is do or die for them. IBM has always been the one to reveal the future, they pulled out of manufacturing of e-computers. They will be first to make this tech "available" (research labs on universities, 10-100k price point per machine).
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kalam on July 26, 2015, 05:37:02 am

A sizable portion of the people in the industry seem to think it will happen eventually. None of them know when, though.

Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 26, 2015, 06:53:04 am
and stephen hawking is actively trying to stop it from happening, that dumb fucking retard what does he know about anything
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2015, 09:52:52 am
A sizable portion of the people in the industry seem to think it will happen eventually. None of them know when, though.
What industry? Most people are just talking about their feelings on the matter, without actual research. There are precious few AGI specialists.

and stephen hawking is actively trying to stop it from happening, that dumb fucking retard what does he know about anything

... And Stephen Hawking is certainly not one. But people like Dooz assume that if someone is good at physics or math it makes them general specialists.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Golem on July 26, 2015, 10:02:27 am
Since feeling are based on chemicals rather than electricity you will have to have a computer made of super tiny chips that can translate molecules into data, and seriously who wants to have bunch of robots walking around. I hope for better cloning and DNA tinkering, thats the future I believe. Unless back to stone age.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 26, 2015, 11:30:43 am
Do people also forget that computers which could only do a minuscule fraction of what our phones can now used to be the size of a room?

Yes, and the causes of this are not and were not mysterious. If that trend had continued we'd be buying 50GHz unicore processors today, except we aren't because there are physical limitations.

Since feeling are based on chemicals rather than electricity you will have to have a computer made of super tiny chips that can translate molecules into data

Feelings are an emergent characteristic of complex information processing structures (i.e. the brain). It doesn't matter how the structure works.

General purpose quantum computer won't be a thing for quite some time. D-Wave is something akin to accelerator chip, needs conventional supercomputer to finish calculation, but speeds up solving optimization problems by big margin, making problem smaller (engrish). It doesn't give you result, but it tells you what isn't much faster than any super computer would. That is why big corporations are paying tens of millions for it. Second gen runs much cooler (1st is cooled at near absolute zero because it gets too hot, 2nd gen runs 40% cooler) and much more precise (main issue with q-computers is variability of results).

No one but D-Wave people can claim it is true q-comp because:
- it is not available to most researchers (it is very rare globally)
- most researchers don't understand how it works, it is very "black boxy"

HP put its future on next gen computing, it is do or die for them. IBM has always been the one to reveal the future, they pulled out of manufacturing of e-computers. They will be first to make this tech "available" (research labs on universities, 10-100k price point per machine).

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have "completely quantum" computers. Eventually we'll have quantum processing units like we have APUs in our processors, though, if at all possible. Nevertheless, to me it seems most of D-Wave customers are trying to do research on the computers, not to use them in real problems.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on July 26, 2015, 11:49:50 am
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Rather than store information as 0s or 1s as conventional computers do, a quantum computer uses qubits – which can be a 1 or a 0 or both at the same time.
Yea... that's not gonna fly for most industrial/entertainment applications. Not to mention the effort put into it to get even running.

That sure is in no way a consumer friendly tech :lol:
Decades away from being relevant for masses if it ever arrives at that state.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kalam on July 26, 2015, 03:32:53 pm
What industry? Most people are just talking about their feelings on the matter, without actual research. There are precious few AGI specialists.

I'm talking about the artificial intelligence field, as opposed to those who focus AGI exclusively. People who work in developing things like personal assistants, robotics, artificial neural networks, etc. This is akin to what a biologist is to your general practitioner of medicine. Sure, biologists might not know how to treat syphilis, but they could tell you that the disease is caused by a bacterial infection as opposed to a consequence of annoying a god. Those that do think it's near impossible simply think it's impossible within the next couple hundred years- not that it won't happen in, say, a couple thousand years, unlike FTL travel which has more theoretical issues.

However, I don't really care. Existential risks are for other people. I'm too busy to trying to figure out where I'm going to get the money for a second car so I don't have to ride a bicycle in 101 degree weather, what I'm going to eat next year, if I have enough mileage points to visit aging family on the other side of the world, and most importantly, how to dodge archers in cRPG. If it happens in my lifetime an AI is friendly, great. If it it happens and it's not, oh well, what was I going to do about it? If it happens after my lifetime...back to the beginning. Why would I care about climate change when I'm going to die in forty years?

Dooz: if you don't question things, it's easy to come to easy, simple to understand conclusions that probably aren't right. Moore's law (http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/gordon-moore-the-man-whose-name-means-progress) is not a natural law. It is an observed trend limited to a rather short period in time. Hey, at least you aren't preaching about an anthropomorphic deity drinking milk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle), right?
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 26, 2015, 07:26:00 pm
what i question is the notion that we are somehow now at the very peak of knowledge and understanding of the universe, and that technology is as advanced as it's ever gonna be, right now. no more advances. this is it. we just happen to be lucky enough to be here. i don't buy it.

and that interview speaks to this. even if thigs stop getting smaller, who cares, that's not the point. point is more complex, advanced, different, all stuff he's mentioning there. also points out the ever expanding "wall" he thought we'd be up against already.

but nah, we're probably as good as it gets right now, progress is over.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 26, 2015, 08:01:23 pm
If you weren't one of the dumbest people on these forums (a noteworthy achievement in itself), you'd realize that no one is saying that. Alas...
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Voncrow on July 26, 2015, 11:50:21 pm
I'm just waiting for when VR becomes the gaming masterrace and we are all playing crpg 3.0 there and bitching about range. (Irrelevant to the current conversation though.)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 27, 2015, 12:02:02 am
you don't have much longer to wait, retail vr headsets are being rolled out already i think, only gonna get better
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 27, 2015, 05:04:45 pm
so I don't have to ride a bicycle in 101 degree weather

It's always enjoyable to read Americans talking about temperatures and trying to picture what it would be like if they meant it in Celsius.

what i question is the notion that we are somehow now at the very peak of knowledge and understanding of the universe, and that technology is as advanced as it's ever gonna be, right now. no more advances. this is it. we just happen to be lucky enough to be here. i don't buy it.

but nah, we're probably as good as it gets right now, progress is over.

Must be fun arguing with all these dumb people who only exist in your head.

and that interview speaks to this. even if thigs stop getting smaller, who cares, that's not the point. point is more complex, advanced, different, all stuff he's mentioning there. also points out the ever expanding "wall" he thought we'd be up against already.

You really have no clue about what you're talking about, do you?

Yea... that's not gonna fly for most industrial/entertainment applications. Not to mention the effort put into it to get even running.

That sure is in no way a consumer friendly tech :lol:
Decades away from being relevant for masses if it ever arrives at that state.

This has nothing to do with quantum computing being consumer-friendly or not. Nobody thinks there will be quantum computers directly interfacing with humans. If we ever manage to build large scale, correct quantum computers the only thing that will happen is that we will casually destroy cryptography and completely revolutionize almost every aspect of numerical problem solving.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on July 27, 2015, 05:31:45 pm
wut?

By not ever getting a real result but instead just a few hundred possibilities on results that may be correct.
What a beautiful new world we'll have.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 27, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
wut?

By not ever getting a real result but instead just a few hundred possibilities on results that may be correct.
What a beautiful new world we'll have.

Please go read about quantum programming before talking.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on July 27, 2015, 05:51:25 pm
I did.
Maybe you should take another peak?
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 27, 2015, 06:31:13 pm
Let's take the Wikipedia page on Adiabatic quantum computation. The idea is pretty straightforward: you know there exists a quantum-mechanical system such that you can read the solution to your problem from its ground energy state. This is your target, from which you will be able to read a solution. You take some simple quantum-mechanical system which is already in its ground energy state and make "slow" adjustments to the external conditions of the system so that the simple system becomes the target system. If the modifications are slow enough, the system will stay in its ground state, and you can read your answer from it at the end of the process. To quote Wikipedia: "According to the adiabatic theorem, we start from the ground state of Hamiltonian H_B at beginning, go through an adiabatic process, and at last ending in the ground state of problem Hamiltonian H_P. Then we measure the z-component of each of the n spins in the final state, this will produce a string z_1,z_2,\dots,z_n which is highly likely to be the result of our satisfiability problem."

The correctness of the result is function of the speed at which we try to make the system change. Under some given speed, the error probability becomes tiny. I don't know how tiny though, perhaps it's a little bit higher than in electronic computers on Earth. Regardless, plenty of extremely important real-life applications can deal with that, like scheduling problems or anything where we use heuristics for instance.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 27, 2015, 06:55:28 pm
Stephen Hawking AMA about this stuff
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3eret9/science_ama_series_i_am_stephen_hawking/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3eret9/science_ama_series_i_am_stephen_hawking/)

not that any of you geniuses would have any questions for someone like him since you got it all figured out, maybe it's only interesting for dummies like me  :)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 27, 2015, 07:32:18 pm
Musk, Wozniak and Hawking urge ban on AI and autonomous weapons: Over 1,000 high-profile artificial intelligence experts and leading researchers have signed an open letter warning of a “military artificial intelligence arms race” and calling for a ban on “offensive autonomous weapons”.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/27/musk-wozniak-hawking-ban-ai-autonomous-weapons (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/27/musk-wozniak-hawking-ban-ai-autonomous-weapons)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 27, 2015, 07:46:53 pm
Haha reddit is still capable of making an AMA omg. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Now that it's done I'm reading it though.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 27, 2015, 08:00:34 pm
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But others, including Wozniak have recently changed their minds on AI, with the Apple co-founder saying that robots would be good for humans, making them like the “family pet and taken care of all the time”.

What society does to a dog that bites someone?

Good thing about AI: it is a guarantee Star Citizen will be finished.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 27, 2015, 08:38:58 pm
What certain people fail to realize is that Hawking and Musk saying these things is equal to a biologist saying "guys, developing a supervirus that kills absolutely everything and can't be stopped in any way would be pretty dangerous."

And then these certain people think that means AI is coming, and soon. Nope. Just like a random biologist warning against developing a supervirus when some people are trying to do just that doesn't mean that it's possible to make something like that. Again, these people have no special insight in building an AGI and what the real roadblocks are. Yudkowsky is probably the earliest AGI specialist and has had to scale back his expectations a lot to the point where he's not even sure anymore that it's possible.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: cmp on July 27, 2015, 09:32:10 pm
What certain people fail to realize is that Hawking and Musk saying these things is equal to a biologist saying "guys, developing a supervirus that kills absolutely everything and can't be stopped in any way would be pretty dangerous."

And then these certain people think that means AI is coming, and soon. Nope.

A drone that shoots people based on some heuristic qualifies as autonomous weapon (at least according to the definition in that article) and it's not that far fetched.
Unfortunately, less educated people read that as "omg sentient robots are gonna conquer the world in the next decade!!".
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 27, 2015, 09:55:22 pm
I didn't read the one about autonomous weapons, doesn't seem to have anything to do with AGI anyways.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: cmp on July 27, 2015, 10:02:41 pm
It's more about narrow AI than AGI, but most people immediately assume AGI when reading AI.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 27, 2015, 10:16:27 pm
If you think of AI as a mere tool that remains ultimately submitted to human will, then you have to think of other humans in the same way, supposing we reach AGI level. And obviously other humans are dangerous. A sufficiently complex and unpredictable AI with no absolute moral principles and the ability to harm is dangerous. One with wrong moral principles is dangerous as well. And we have no idea if there even exists a set of rules to impose to our AIs that wouldn't horribly go wrong. In fact there most likely isn't, the universe doesn't care about morality. At best we can create something that is about as benevolent as a human.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 27, 2015, 10:23:33 pm
If you think of AI as a mere tool that remains ultimately submitted to human will, then you have to think of other humans in the same way, supposing we reach AGI level. And obviously other humans are dangerous. A sufficiently complex and unpredictable AI with no absolute moral principles and the ability to harm is dangerous. One with wrong moral principles is dangerous as well. And we have no idea if there even exists a set of rules to impose to our AIs that wouldn't horribly go wrong. In fact there most likely isn't, the universe doesn't care about morality. At best we can create something that is about as benevolent as a human.
More on that concept here: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 27, 2015, 10:24:59 pm
Unfortunately, less educated people read that as "omg sentient robots are gonna conquer the world in the next decade!!".

Unfortunately, that is exactly what journalist working for Guardian has wrote in his article.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: cmp on July 27, 2015, 10:29:45 pm
No, he did not.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 27, 2015, 11:41:58 pm
Well not exactly in exact sense of that word but he wrote this:

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Musk and Hawking have warned that AI is “our biggest existential threat” and that the development of full AI could “spell the end of the human race”

Not his words though, but it is sensationalism to write this shit even if Musk and Hawking said that. Like they are big names in that field anyway... Hawking is researcher but AI isn't his field and Musk is businessman.

Dunno why people like Wozniak, Gates, Musk, even scientists Hawking have an opinion on everything and they project it like it is opinion of higher being. Usually lesser humans such as myself (or Oberyn) are tasked with having an opinion for every matter :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: cmp on July 27, 2015, 11:53:15 pm
Actually you're right, I missed that part. Looks like the writer is one of the people I mentioned, and that is definitely the kind of sensationalist bullshit that they like.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on July 28, 2015, 11:27:38 am
Sitting outside of Uni, having a smoking break, I'm actually wondering what AI even means. At which point becomes something AI?
Commonly we use it even for game NPCs. Is that already AI?
How many decision trees do you need to qualify for AI?
Does it need self awareness?
What about consciousness?
How about the ability to learn?
Self upgrade?
Matrix anyone?

Hard to discuss something without a proper base line.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 28, 2015, 02:44:50 pm
It needs self awareness, can't be called AI without it. Which kinda means only true AI will be rogue AI. Something we probably won't ever allow, even if we come to that point where it could happen.

Gaming NPC behavior scripts aren't AI... closest to AI you can find in Black&White monsters (tiger, cow and monkey), because it is a work of actual AI researcher, where he gave his best.

Synergy is the future, not war for prevalence between humans and AI like in movies. That war would be lost at the very beginning. It is already happening, we are being upgraded on daily basis, our habits changed by computer technology. Many people already have artificial materials in their bodies, transitioning to fashion artificial parts won't be a big issue. Next will be augmentation of organs and other systems inside our bodies. Trans-humanism is the one of the few plausible scenarios that originate from sci-fi stories and the most likely one to happen imho.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 28, 2015, 04:30:47 pm
Sitting outside of Uni, having a smoking break, I'm actually wondering what AI even means. At which point becomes something AI?
Commonly we use it even for game NPCs. Is that already AI?
How many decision trees do you need to qualify for AI?
Does it need self awareness?
What about consciousness?
How about the ability to learn?
Self upgrade?
Matrix anyone?

Hard to discuss something without a proper base line.
https://intelligence.org/2013/08/11/what-is-agi/
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on July 28, 2015, 06:11:35 pm
So there actually is no definition. Just several suggestion on how you could define one.
I imagined that it would be like that and I guess it's no surprise that it is such a cloudy thing.

In 1958 a suggestion was that a chess program could be already considered a AI and we're already pass that for nearly 2 decades.
The crux of many "new" research fields really. Everything is still in motion, dynamic and changing constantly. Sometimes due the complexity of the field, sometimes due to the stubbornness of the people in the field :D
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: cmp on July 28, 2015, 06:36:32 pm
Note the distinction between AI and AGI.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on July 28, 2015, 07:44:31 pm
Random blog on the difference...

http://interintelligence.blogspot.de/2010/01/difference-between-ai-and-agi.html

Seemed a good enough quick explanation for me :x
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 28, 2015, 10:56:00 pm
Haven't read any of the links but to me the definition of "AI" as employed by people in the field is pretty large. It's not even all that related to what the program really does but rather to the problem. When you create a program that plays a game you will always call it "AI" even if the strategy is simple. If you're building robots or software agents that behave independently of each other then it's "AI". When you have a classification problem like image recognition or spam filtering, you'll call it "AI". If you try to do market predictions or polynomial regression then it's not "AI". If it's some form of combinatorial problem but isn't playing a game then it's not "AI" either.

The nuances of vocabulary are really stupid and arbitrary. Ultimately though, there is no fundamental difference between AI software and any other information processing system. An IP stack is AI just as much as Google Car. You can make the case that one is deterministic and the other is not, but even that would be both wrong and an irrelevant detail.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 31, 2015, 02:54:56 am
Obama issues executive order to create the world's first exaflop supercomputer, which can mimic the human brain

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/obama-supercomputing/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/07/obama-supercomputing/)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 31, 2015, 03:29:01 am
Amazing, considering the human brain is still a mystery to us.

Too bad that's not at all what the article says, retard.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 31, 2015, 08:41:26 am
Obama issues executive order to create the world's first exaflop supercomputer, which can mimic the human brain

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/obama-supercomputing/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/07/obama-supercomputing/)

What? Did you actually read the article?
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 31, 2015, 09:26:02 am
copy pasted title from reddit before i did
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on July 31, 2015, 07:03:33 pm
copy pasted title from reddit before i did

Wow, that's almost as much work ethics as an Ars Technica journalist.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on July 31, 2015, 08:00:08 pm
Hasn't it become clear to you yet that Dooz understands literally nothing about the subject, he's just parroting and copypasting stuff he saw on some mainstream (AI!!! terminator picture!!!) site.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on July 31, 2015, 08:25:27 pm
That is probably supercomputer that will use newest nVidia Tesla cards based on Pascal architecture, connected with nVlink.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on July 31, 2015, 09:31:02 pm
Wow, that's almost as much work ethics as an Ars Technica journalist.

oops i forgot i'm a journalist getting paid for this and that i have any obligation to you people, sorry!  :oops:
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kalam on July 31, 2015, 11:12:49 pm
oops i forgot i'm a journalist getting paid for this and that i have any obligation to you people, sorry!  :oops:

That poses an interesting question. Does sentience and access to a wealth of information emplace an obligation to present correct information?

I am inclined to a 'no', so Dooz is right. He has no obligation to seek the truth or to share it.

He is welcome to be a sockpuppet for whatever meme catches his fancy.

Edit: for those of you looking for definitions, here's one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_network) field within Machine Learning that you may have been looking for, in terms of what separates A.I from regular information processing. Also, see: Deep learning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_learning).
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 04, 2015, 06:17:43 pm
it's happening (https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/3fpmfg/the_first_true_ai/?ref=share&ref_source=link)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on August 04, 2015, 07:51:33 pm
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/27/9038829/automation-myth?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 06, 2015, 05:07:30 pm
astronomers have found the base of operations of intergalactic AI spreading seed throughout the universe
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/astronomers-discover-humongous-structure-one-ninth-size-observable-universe (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/astronomers-discover-humongous-structure-one-ninth-size-observable-universe)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 08, 2015, 03:54:50 am
the coming wave of technological breakthroughs endangers up to 47% of total employment in the US.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150805-will-machines-eventually-take-on-every-job (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150805-will-machines-eventually-take-on-every-job)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on August 08, 2015, 12:42:32 pm
That's it Dooz, you've earned your ignore.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Vibe on August 08, 2015, 01:30:19 pm
astronomers have found the base of operations of intergalactic AI spreading seed throughout the universe
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/astronomers-discover-humongous-structure-one-ninth-size-observable-universe (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/astronomers-discover-humongous-structure-one-ninth-size-observable-universe)

Are you fucking brain damaged or something
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on August 08, 2015, 03:37:21 pm
Robot lawnmowers interfere with Aliens contacting us
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/gadgets-electronics/blogs/why-astronomers-fear-the-rise-of-robot-lawnmowers
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 08, 2015, 06:44:47 pm
Ban Killer Robots before They Become Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ban-killer-robots-before-they-become-weapons-of-mass-destruction/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ban-killer-robots-before-they-become-weapons-of-mass-destruction/)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on August 08, 2015, 11:08:12 pm
It's the same routine Dooz pulls every time. He gets called out for being a retard, he gets upset, then he overdoes the act to pretend he was trolling all along.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Vibe on August 08, 2015, 11:34:18 pm
It's the same routine Dooz pulls every time. He gets called out for being a retard, he gets upset, then he overdoes the act to pretend he was trolling all along.

Ah so he's done the routine before?
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Xant on August 09, 2015, 02:02:18 am
Ah so he's done the routine before?
Many times. Here's just one example. http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/conversations-with-an-islamic-jihadist/msg1055008/#msg1055008
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Vibe on August 09, 2015, 03:34:45 am
oh well i guess we can just repost this from that thread

visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 10, 2015, 09:04:16 pm
Autonomous truck cleared to drive on US roads for the first time
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27485-autonomous-truck-cleared-to-drive-on-us-roads-for-the-first-time/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27485-autonomous-truck-cleared-to-drive-on-us-roads-for-the-first-time/)

glitch in the matrix
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 10, 2015, 10:37:27 pm
I don't think I'll ever live that long unless immortality is something we figure out in our lifetime, but I'm super excited that my haircut is not going to go out of style.
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/what-will-humans-look-like-in-100000-years

i've always liked the idea that 'we' are the aliens, classic big head big eyed greyskins, just time travelling from the future and shit. shave them bitches and alter some skin pigmentation to account for not seeing the sun anymore (on account of either nuclear winters or gone underground into matrix world or whatever else) and that's pretty much what you got.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 11, 2015, 02:29:48 am
pro athlete ai bot
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Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: FleetFox on August 11, 2015, 09:17:12 am
pro athlete ai bot
(click to show/hide)

The pinnacle of human technology :D

Also hey Dooz mate!
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Molly on August 11, 2015, 09:51:57 am
Do you even have any clue about how complex that little bugger is technology-wise?
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Vibe on August 11, 2015, 10:06:13 am
Do you even have any clue about how complex that little bugger is technology-wise?

Do you really need an answer to that quesiton
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: FleetFox on August 11, 2015, 01:57:08 pm
I read this, thought it was pretty good : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artificial-Intelligence-Revolution-Serve-Replace/dp/0988171821/ref=sr_1_68?ie=UTF8&qid=1439294205&sr=8-68&keywords=Artificial+Intelligence
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 13, 2015, 01:49:35 am
I read this, thought it was pretty good : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artificial-Intelligence-Revolution-Serve-Replace/dp/0988171821/ref=sr_1_68?ie=UTF8&qid=1439294205&sr=8-68&keywords=Artificial+Intelligence

TO SERVE MAN, HA HA WOOOO AMIRITE
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 13, 2015, 09:07:34 pm
FCC has granted approval to iRobot to build a hands-free mowing-bot
http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/12/9145009/irobot-roomba-lawn-mower-approved (http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/12/9145009/irobot-roomba-lawn-mower-approved)

you win this round, aliens (illegal and otherwise)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Dooz on August 17, 2015, 07:28:42 am
boston dynamics atlas robot
https://youtu.be/NwrjAa1SgjQ (https://youtu.be/NwrjAa1SgjQ)

New Type Of Optical Chip Could Speed Up Development of Quantum Computing
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/76962/20150815/new-type-of-optical-chip-could-speed-up-development-of-quantum-computing.htm (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/76962/20150815/new-type-of-optical-chip-could-speed-up-development-of-quantum-computing.htm)
Quote
"Using the new technology, Laing and his colleagues were able to conduct a number of experiments that would have taken a year to carry out in only a few hours. They regard the optical chip as a means to discover new fields of science that have yet to be chartered by researchers."
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: MiniPrima on August 17, 2015, 02:54:59 pm
i think it would be fun if the terminator was real, just saying!
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 28, 2016, 08:05:06 am
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on March 09, 2016, 07:57:07 am
Human against "a network of machines that includes 1,200 central processing chips and about 170 cards packs with GPUs"  :D

http://www.wired.com/2016/02/well-know-soon-if-google-can-beat-a-super-grandmaster-at-go/


edit: haha, it's intense to watch, but also funny how the one guy all the time tries to speak about the significance of a Computer playing and the other just ignores him completely and only talks about the game pretending it's a game like any other.  :lol:
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on March 09, 2016, 03:24:50 pm
I like how they disabled comments on Youtube. Oh god the video is horrible, cuts every 10 seconds what the hell Google?

That moment where they both look at the empty board for 5 seconds after the English referee said to start the game.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Admerius on March 09, 2016, 08:51:28 pm
Human against "a network of machines that includes 1,200 central processing chips and about 170 cards packs with GPUs"  :D

http://www.wired.com/2016/02/well-know-soon-if-google-can-beat-a-super-grandmaster-at-go/


edit: haha, it's intense to watch, but also funny how the one guy all the time tries to speak about the significance of a Computer playing and the other just ignores him completely and only talks about the game pretending it's a game like any other.  :lol:

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I made something that felt like it had some meaning today, and it was being glued to and listening intensely to this.

Srsly fuk u!

I feel like I caught the geek

Ok if I could I would give your post 999999999999999999999999999999999999999^0 +'s
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Kafein on March 09, 2016, 08:52:41 pm
Wow, an exponent joke. Such nerd.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Golem on September 20, 2016, 12:03:04 pm
my old friends http://forum.ofkingsandmen.net/index.php?topic=1912.0 (http://forum.ofkingsandmen.net/index.php?topic=1912.0)
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: the real god emperor on September 20, 2016, 01:26:38 pm
my old friends http://forum.ofkingsandmen.net/index.php?topic=1912.0 (http://forum.ofkingsandmen.net/index.php?topic=1912.0)

I'll pass, fam.
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Vibe on September 20, 2016, 02:08:44 pm
stop
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Gurgumul on September 20, 2016, 02:33:53 pm
tl;dr is this like the whole "Wired" scenario from that Lain chinese cartoon?
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Leshma on September 20, 2016, 05:16:09 pm
its korean manwha you fgt
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Golem on March 28, 2017, 08:46:40 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-einstein-loving-sex-robot-wit/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-einstein-loving-sex-robot-wit/)

be aware einstein is in the url
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Gurgumul on October 11, 2021, 11:15:17 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-einstein-loving-sex-robot-wit/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-einstein-loving-sex-robot-wit/)

be aware einstein is in the url

I can't read the article, the page wants me to sign up
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Nickleback on October 15, 2021, 06:38:12 pm
stop revivin em threads lol,revive necessary ones,we have james as AI anyways
Title: Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
Post by: Hlin on October 18, 2021, 07:14:54 pm
Edit: Self moderation.