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Swedish_Chef has been roleplaying his namesake for as long as I can remember (apron, cleaver, etc.). He even uses the round buckler that looks like a mixing bowl. Dude tops scoreboard with decent frequency, and he hits like a truck with his +3 Cleaver. If anything, he deserved this buff just for sticking with his "weak" RP setup for so long.
Even if it did 50000c, 35 length is pretty bad.
Fuck out of here. With a shield any weapon with that is a pain in the balls and hits like a truck. Shields are trash and they are never going back to what they were. The only thing the do to them is make them offensive which is useless. Why change the shitty knightly shields to 5? No sense. Some fucktard will pop on and says shields are fine as he goes back to his pole arm or 2h bundle of sticks.
This mod is dying without Fasader :(
Blame me for the change. The cleavers in your pic are normal 20c cleavers. 30c japanese steel cleavers can perform these miraculous acts easily.Lol ,so you are saying that it is a "Traditional" medieval Japanese "shieldbreaker" (Fact = No one ever used shield in isle of Japan ever) Cleaver instead of basic butcher's cleaver ?
It's the shortest buyable 1h in the game outside of stones. Compared to the knife, 4 speed, 9 length, and no stab for 2 cut was a poor tradeoff, and there was no leeway to buff any stats because imo 35 cut would be even more ridiculous. It was the short falchion's ugly stepsister. For 200g it's really good, though. It may be as good as the hand axe I guess.
Lol ,so you are saying that it is a "Traditional" medieval Japanese "shieldbreaker" (Fact = No one ever used shield in isle of Japan ever) Cleaver instead of basic butcher's cleaver ?
Tell me what you are smoking i'll buy that instead of regular weed from now on.
Lol ,so you are saying that it is a "Traditional" medieval Japanese "shieldbreaker" (Fact = No one ever used shield in isle of Japan ever) Cleaver instead of basic butcher's cleaver ?
Do they not have sarcasm in Turkey? San was clearly riffing on the oft-mocked cRPG adage "It's Japanese steel, so it must do +x damage", and you guys fell for it hook, line, and sinker.In Turkey, when you ask an Item Balancer their reason to "balance" something, they give you the real reason instead of "too funny" sarcastic shitstorm.
In Turkey, when you ask an Item Balancer their reason to "balance" something, they give you the real reason instead of "too funny" sarcastic shitstorm.
It's the shortest buyable 1h in the game outside of stones. Compared to the knife, 4 speed, 9 length, and no stab for 2 cut was a poor tradeoff, and there was no leeway to buff any stats because imo 35 cut would be even more ridiculous. It was the short falchion's ugly stepsister. For 200g it's really good, though. It may be as good as the hand axe I guess.
I can usually decipher Dread-speak, but this one has me scratching my head. Shields suck but the cleaver is OP if used with a shield?
Every post this guy makes he complains about shit that doesn't matter.
Seriously, the cleaver is game breaking with a bonus against shields?
If the new flavor of the month is cleaver and I see everyone using it, thats just an easy way for me to pad my kd because 35 reach is easily countered by pressing the S key for 1 millisecond.
All this buff does it make the cleaver an option to be useful now. The only time I ever saw someone use it was Swedish Chef. 1 person.(click to show/hide)
Not yo mention Bob it doesn't block!
So,as an item balancer your reason to add "bonus against shielder" is that it is already unrealistic with 30c ? So you decided to fuck it up even more ?
If you can suggest stats where it's not completely useless compared to adjacent weapons, go right ahead.
So,as an item balancer your reason to add "bonus against shielder" is that it is already unrealistic with 30c ? So you decided to fuck it up even more ?
"Hit as many as you want,if you can break the chopping block with your cleaver,i'll be convinced that you can actually break steel shield with it in cRPG."holds little value. My gameplay reason I already explained twice, but that seems to have mysteriously not been addressed yet.
Please Mr. Smartass. Tell us more how you know how this game should work without actually providing any input besides childish rage.-Im not raging , nor crying i am just stating that it is stupid to give cleaver that stat.
Also, maybe if you made this an actual suggestion topic instead of a QQ topic you would be taken seriously. Keep that in mind when you decide the stick is too good for your longsword to handle.
That was my reason against realism / identity of the weapon, that such a change wouldn't hurt the identity too much, unlike say adding bonus against shield to goedendag or something. A 30 cut cleaver in real life would likely not exist, so holds little value. My gameplay reason I already explained twice, but that seems to have mysteriously not been addressed yet.Like i said, this isn't a mmorpg game,fucking up realism over gameplay is just a terrible idea.
-Im not raging , nor crying i am just stating that it is stupid to give cleaver that stat.
-Im not suggesting anything so it is not a suggestion topic.
If you think 30c for that cleaver is too much,reduce it instead of adding more features to it .
Like i said, this isn't a mmorpg game,fucking up realism over gameplay is just a terrible idea.
If you think 30c for that cleaver is too much,reduce it instead of adding more features to it .
-I've been playing this since 2011,never seen this bad item balance just stating it , with all your bullshit, you murrican kiddos are the ones who QQ in this thread.
But meh...keep turning this game into nobrain murrican arcade shit so your people can enjoy aswell ofc.
My point was that realism was lost long ago since it's already 30 cut, out-damaging 1hander swords used by soldiers. I thought I was making it obvious enough... If you can suggest stats where it's not completely useless compared to adjacent weapons, go right ahead.
-Knife has similar, but superior stats in every area outside of 2 cut
It's balanced with the knife in mind, but I was also thinking how it would get some use when compared to the hand axe / short falchion, too.
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Anyway,im not mad because the item is too strong or too powerful or someshit. It is just ridiculously retarded for a simple butcher's cleaver to have bonus against a shield. This stupidity is too sad im not even mad it just made me sad...
Wanna have it ? Keep it i don't give a fuck but this is not the first unrealistic upgrade this dev team have done and slowly this game is turning into an arcade hack'n slash game instead of realistic medieval rpg. This is the part where im mad .I loved cRPG because it was the most realistic medieval combat game and i'll be even more mad than now if some Murricans take that away from me.
Your fucking nuts dude, this game is anti realism from day one. Guys in full plate jumping in spinning and stabbing backwards. Throwing weapons hitting from 400 yards away. Shields using agility instead of strength. Christ, half the way 2h sides wings land would break your fucking wrists! Peasants kicking people in full plate. Kicking people carrying shields and stunnig them. Game is from turkey so I guess its par for the corpse. The best was blocking while kicking while standing on one leg
I see "Bonus against shield" as a weapon whose mass is centered at the end of the blade instead of a more equal distribution. This can also be seen for how multiple throwing weapons have "bonus against shield" due to the brunt of the force centering on that tiny point behind the weight of the throw/weapon itself. Also, how is giving "bonus against shield" to cleaver so much more unrealistic than the hatchet/hand axe having "bonus against shield"? Cleaver is nearly the same weight, but it's also shorter. When I thought about that, it didn't seem like much of a stretch. What do you define as "bonus against shield" to have such a strong reaction compared to other decisions that are much more unrealistic anyways? What I'm getting at is that if you start to overthink on every inconsistency that is in the least bit unrealistic, you'll just run your mind in circles.
The dread-speak gets better and better. :mrgreen:
Also, I will admit that I am sad to see yet another weapon get bonus against shield since nowadays it seems like any axe can kill a shield in 2-3 hits, regardless of the quality of the shield or the user's shield skill. I get that shields are 'disposable' and that it is 'better the shield than me' but it is simply annoying how shields block worse than manual blocks, are more often to get crush-throughed, and are seemingly made of balsa wood. It is great that using a shield doesn't equate to wearing an extra set of plate armor anymore, but they simply crumple like paper when facing any kind of bonus against shield weapon. And now there is a weapon that can spam a shielder until it breaks without letting them get single swing in, most likely. I take solace in the fact that this weapon is probably doomed to never be widely-used due to its short reach and the fact that it can't block. However, Swedish Chef alone deserves this buff for the reasons Phew mentioned... and he will probably be the only one who gets anything out of it.
"Par for the corpse" is the best Dread-ism yet, intentional or not. I'm going to start using it in normal conversation and see how people react. It kind of implies "Golf idioms are for pussies, I use bloodsport idioms".
Let me explain how San "ruined" this game for you single-handedly.I don't know how much San paying you to be his bitch but i'll pay double if you just shut the fuck up, asslicker.
1)San and/or others propose a change to the lower tier weapons, like cleaver and how they should be changed.
2)The WHOLE TEAM votes on if changes should be put in or not.
3)???
4)Rage that it is all Sans fault.
Now, we can either discuss this with sanity like dynamike did, or we can QQ/rage and turn this into a EU vs NA.
If you want to take QQ/rage route ill just say this,
Get the fuck out. This isn't YOUR game and it wasn't suited to YOUR needs.
With sanity,
Im sure some changes could be made but it doesnt seem like a lot of people care about the cleaver buff. It seems more are happy it will actually be used than how it may be too OP for low tier weps.
Also, Dread, agreed. This is a game not a simulator. Sure realism is nice in some points, but that is for the devs to decide not you, HarunYahya.
I don't know how much San paying you to be his bitch but i'll pay double if you just shut the fuck up, asslicker.Harun
Derailing the whole subject since start for what ? Hearing "Good work,bitch." from san and get a raise on your salary ?
"blah blah blah anatolia used to not be a dumpster, so i know about internet swords (and real life mustaches)."still better a love story than usa
I don't know how much San paying you to be his bitch but i'll pay double if you just shut the fuck up, asslicker.
Derailing the whole subject since start for what ? Hearing "Good work,bitch." from san and get a raise on your salary ?
I don't think you understand what I was saying then. You bitch that it is all San's fault and dirty "Murricans" who want to change this game into an "arcade" when, for some reason(maybe you are too angry to think logically), you don't realize that the ENTIRE dev team votes on the changes that happened.So what ? U so mad cuz i said you Murricans have no historical bond with medieval era ?
TL;DR : Even the "pure masterrace Euros" like yourself agreed for the changes to happen.
I bolded and underlined the main concept to make it easier for you :wink:
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So what ? U so mad cuz i said you Murricans have no historical bond with medieval era ?
Truth hurts life is not all about rock'n roll and mcdonalds.I don't care who has vote on it,item balancers are the ones who suggested this bullshit in the first place so hate it as much as you want but your beloved friend San is the one to blame.
This topic started as "How hilariously retarded that this cleaver has bonus against shield" then you and your yankee friends started to defend this absurd stupidity by saying "It was already hilariously retarded , we just made it worse and its cool u mad ?" Now its about "How hilariously retarded can people be" and you guys keep amazing me.
Too much murrica for me,nuff trying to be of reason, you won't understand a shit with that simple,stubborn,ignorant mind anyway.
Yeah fuck it bravo added bonus against shield to cleaver, give crushthrough to hatchet,couching option to arabian cav sword fuck it up i don't care anymore. Im over it now,seriously thanks for all your replies,im over the mod,over the game. Now observing human psychology and how blindlessly it can react and deny a hard fact just because it is hard to accept it and replace it with their corrupt fucked up mind in their heads.Just amazing it's like denying the fact that world is round just because it's not written in the "god's holy book" closing yourself for other options in certain topics because of fear to be wrong about it. I get it, it is so natural don't feel bad , it is just odd to experience such thing alive using internet,thousands of kilometers away from each other.
Since if i continue you'll "stone me to death" by punishment of "heresy", breaking down walls of false truth you built, -which in this case is the dogma of "Accepting bonus against shield addition on cleaver is a healthy decision."- i'll not continue posting here. You guys will not understand it,even childeren you'll raise won't understand it but humanity will see that i was right after many years. Just as we justified Gallileo now, they'll understand that this whole cleaver thing was irrationally stupid and i was being shitstormed by ignorant,fanatic bigots just because i was stating the obvious hard fact. I'll be crowned a Saint and you'll remain as just an ignorant peasant brain full of corrupted dogmas.
What they say, you learn everyday.
God bless america.
life is not all about rock'n roll and mcdonalds.
This is one of the best rage posts I've read in a long time, dig all the nationalistic stereotyping and mythological stuff, science vs religion etc. on the topic of cleaver getting shield eat ability, lol, good work my man!(click to show/hide)
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