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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Realism Discussion => Topic started by: Penguin on April 19, 2013, 11:57:58 pm

Title: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penguin on April 19, 2013, 11:57:58 pm
Have the devs ever explained why this is so? We could have some cool diversity with the hairstyles, weapons, and garb the natives used during the medieval period. It's clear that the Natives had frequent contact with many European nations during these times as well. So why not add some Stone hatchets, primitive blunt clubs, and crude antler bows?
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Miwiw on April 20, 2013, 12:01:10 am
Hahaha.....  :lol:
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Malaclypse on April 20, 2013, 12:06:10 am
"Mustang shoot. Mustang good with bow."  - my character, Raging Mustang, from 1885 mod or w/e.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on May 04, 2013, 12:37:55 am
They should add native american gears, if someone makes the models.

NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.

Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine.

If medieval knights can fight samarai in this game by association (knights fought arabs who fought mongols who fought samarai)...then we should also have native americans by association.

It would be cool.

The Beothuk of Newfoundland:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Panos on May 04, 2013, 12:44:18 am


Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine.


And before that, Minoans had contact with Native Americans and Vikings aswell.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on May 04, 2013, 12:56:56 am
And before that, Minoans had contact with Native Americans and Vikings aswell.

I highly doubt that.  Around Lake Superior is the theory I read.  That would be incredibly difficult and unrealistically amazing.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Panos on May 04, 2013, 01:17:24 am
I highly doubt that.  Around Lake Superior is the theory I read.  That would be incredibly difficult and unrealistically amazing.

I`ll tell you why you believe this is higly amazing, because this is what the status quo want you to believe. (like the biggest lie ever, that the first alphabet was the pheonician and not the Greek)

In Scandinavia there are four monuments, Traelleborg (which many believe that it was a fort, while it was not), Esleholm, Firkat and Angersborg.

In 1900 an aviator noticed that those 4 monuments were aligned to each other, like a ley line, the important thing is that all those four "Viking" monuments, were aligned with the temple of Apollo, the Delphi temple.


And no, my post is not biased because I`m a Greek, Minoans were the first travelers all around the world and as time goes by facts and discoveries will make it all right.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on May 04, 2013, 05:33:29 am
Dont we already have crude blunt clubs? The issue i see with stone hatchets etc is that they are also crude prehistoric European tools, much outdated. Whereas Asian themed gear is totally different.

I also don't think our perception of Native American technology is accurate to the same peoples the Vikings encountered, Viking sagas speak of the highly advanced and powerful societies they encountered in that part of the world, not a gang of nomads waving stone hatchets. Whatever diseases we brought to America not only decimated the native populations, but destroyed their powerful civilisations, emptied their cities and led to total technological collapse. I don't think we'll ever truly know how advanced Native American culture was before we unwittingly unleashed an apocalyptic-scale plague on them, our only image of their culture is what was left after their world collapsed.

I think we can add cool native american items that can fill some weapon niches in game.  I had a few ideas, but don't know how to make models. 

Flatbow (another viable bow besides Rus/Long.  2-slot bow)
Chert arrows (maybe a very small number of weak arrows that take 0 slots)
Tomahawk (1-ammo throwing weapon that is actually good in melee)
War club (another 1 slot 1h/2h weapon)
Inuit Harpoon (like throwing lance, but weaker.  2 ammo)
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Kaiser Augustus on May 06, 2013, 12:15:10 am
I like those Ideas, but you need to make the weapons doubly effective against Caucasians.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Johammeth on June 09, 2013, 01:56:03 am
Native American weapons?

How are the devs supposed to balance Slot Machines with all the other gear?
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Ulter on June 09, 2013, 10:06:25 am
What a brilliant idea. What next, Eskimo gear?
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Jeric on July 11, 2013, 10:14:27 pm
What a brilliant idea. What next, Eskimo gear?

We already have that covered.

Tribal Warrior Armor + Pilgrim Hood + Hunter Boots + Throwing Lance
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 14, 2013, 02:01:30 am
Johnny Depp is not amused.

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Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: dreadnok on July 19, 2013, 06:26:41 pm
We already have sticks, rocks and bows and arrows. And samurais were around during medieval times so I don't think that's strange. Knights also fought mongols as well
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Riddaren on August 17, 2013, 11:44:22 am
The native americans walked from asia to north and south america. They are asians.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on August 17, 2013, 11:50:32 am
Also add finnish sealskin coat and mora
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Riddaren on August 17, 2013, 03:11:36 pm
Europeans walked from Africa into Europe so.... They are Africans?

Yet we have many different European types of gear.

I doubt europeans walked from africa :wink:

On a more serious note, I'm all for more types of gear.
Why not african elephants?

Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on August 26, 2013, 12:06:58 pm
What a brilliant idea. What next, Eskimo gear?
I assumed that was implied with "Native American".
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Digglez on September 17, 2013, 05:49:14 am
American natives equipment was all pretty primitive...only things not really represented in the mod would be...

Maquahuitl  (cricket bat w/obsidian shards lining edge)
Atlatls (spear & large dart thrower)
Slings (STILL NOT IN THIS GAME, WTF)
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including American indian gear
Post by: Ujio on November 09, 2013, 02:50:31 pm
Actually, I've heard American indians aren't as primitive as Hollywood would have you believe
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Baskakov_Dima on December 11, 2013, 12:49:28 pm
Totally support this idea! But we will have to mix gear of different peoples together. :(
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on December 11, 2013, 03:25:56 pm
We would best include weapons/armor from the  Inuit, Beothuk, and Thule groups of native americans, since those were the tribes most probably in contact with the vikings of yore.

We actually DO have examples of the weapons and tools that these particular tribes used during pre-columbian times.  That's how we know that the Thule did not use the bow and arrow, but mostly lance and spear to hunt on the ice.  The Inuit did have the bow as well as other more advanced weapon technology, and that's how they drove the Thule from their place.

We could totally add a "flat bow" (american style bow), "self bow", "chert arrows", "bone lance" as well as different styles of fur robes and such to include these styles.

There's no reason not to!  Except that someone has to make the models.  If someone wants to make the models, I will write up a strong case for adding them. :)
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Kafein on December 11, 2013, 11:28:18 pm
They should add native american gears, if someone makes the models.

NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.

Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine. Greenland Vikings got their asses kicked so bad when they tried to establish a camp in "Vinland" (Newfoundland, more or less) that they only remained there about one year (or less, I don't remember exactly). They also had very bad relations with the Inuits who probably had a role in the Greenland Norse collapse, at least because the Norse didn't adapt to Greenland using Inuit techniques.

If medieval knights can fight samarai in this game by association (knights fought arabs who fought mongols who fought samarai)...then we should also have native americans by association.

It would be cool.

The Beothuk of Newfoundland:
(click to show/hide)

In any case it wouldn't be very interesting or balanced. Inuits did not use metals, and most Native peoples used mostly spears and bows when europeans had plate. The Greenland Norse were outgunned by the Inuit and Beothuk because Viking society and military power relied on iron, yet the Greenland Norse had no more metal than Inuits, except the little they got from european imports.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on December 11, 2013, 11:50:34 pm
In any case it wouldn't be very interesting or balanced. Inuits did not use metals, and most Native peoples used mostly spears and bows when europeans had plate. The Greenland Norse were outgunned by the Inuit and Beothuk because Viking society and military power relied on iron, yet the Greenland Norse had no more metal than Inuits, except the little they got from european imports.

Dude, you could make it interesting and balanced.  I already have ideas.  I'll give you a couple.

Bone Lance/Hunting Lance - Acts like a throwing lance.  Does a bit less damage but has 2 ammo.  If these can be used to hunt whales, surely they can be (and were) used to kill men...even with armor.

Chert Arrows - 4 cut and only 6 ammo, but it takes 0 slots.  Like a handful of arrows one could tuck into their belt for war or hunting.  Interesting 0 slot low-ammo item can open up new and interesting build possibilities perhaps without being OP.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: jack786 on March 26, 2014, 01:57:06 pm
They should add native american gears, if someone makes the models.

NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.

Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine.

If medieval knights can fight samarai in this game by association (knights fought arabs who fought mongols who fought samarai)...then we should also have native americans by association.

It would be cool.

The Beothuk of Newfoundland:
(click to show/hide)

Wait, what?
'NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.'
But we already have conquistador helmets->Morion from renaissance era.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on March 26, 2014, 02:28:09 pm
Wait, what?
'NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.'
But we already have conquistador helmets->Morion from renaissance era.

Ok, Morion was used as early as the middle 16th century (so we'll say 1550.)
Aztecs weren't encountered until the mid 1600's.  I think 1600 is the cutoff, but I'm not certain.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: jack786 on March 28, 2014, 03:56:10 pm
Ok, Morion was used as early as the middle 16th century (so we'll say 1550.)
Aztecs weren't encountered until the mid 1600's.  I think 1600 is the cutoff, but I'm not certain.
from wikipedia:
The Aztec /ˈæztɛk/[1] people were certain ethnic groups of central Mexico, particularly those groups who spoke the Nahuatl language and who dominated large parts of Mesoamerica from the 14th to 16th centuries.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Penitent on March 28, 2014, 04:08:56 pm
from wikipedia:
The Aztec /ˈæztɛk/[1] people were certain ethnic groups of central Mexico, particularly those groups who spoke the Nahuatl language and who dominated large parts of Mesoamerica from the 14th to 16th centuries.

No European, Asian, or Middle Eastern cultures (the ones currently in the game) had contact with these people until the middle 1600's, hence it makes no sense to put them in the game.  They were too late to come to the party.

European people DID have contact with Inuit and Beothuk people during the middle ages, so it it does make sense to put them in.

Gosh people, get it together.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: jack786 on March 28, 2014, 08:56:11 pm
No European, Asian, or Middle Eastern cultures (the ones currently in the game) had contact with these people until the middle 1600's, hence it makes no sense to put them in the game.  They were too late to come to the party.

European people DID have contact with Inuit and Beothuk people during the middle ages, so it it does make sense to put them in.

Gosh people, get it together.
just give them run
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Kafein on April 03, 2014, 09:33:09 am
This thread managed to change my image of Panos for the worst. I did not believe that was still possible.
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: HarunYahya on April 04, 2014, 03:32:47 am
Have the devs ever explained why this is so? We could have some cool diversity with the hairstyles, weapons, and garb the natives used during the medieval period. It's clear that the Natives had frequent contact with many European nations during these times as well. So why not add some Stone hatchets, primitive blunt clubs, and crude antler bows?
Plot twist, remove Asian gear to compensate the absence of Native American gear !
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Kadeth on April 04, 2014, 07:40:13 am
Plot twist, remove Asian gear to compensate the absence of Native American gear !

never do that
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Adamar on April 22, 2014, 12:04:14 am
Plot twist, remove Asian gear to compensate the absence of Native American gear !

Yes, leave only the cultures who fought in medieval Europe. Screw ninjas!
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 29, 2014, 02:40:58 am
Dont let sittingbull see this post!
Title: Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
Post by: Trikipum on May 08, 2014, 03:13:41 am
They should add native american gears, if someone makes the models.

NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.

Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine.

If medieval knights can fight samarai in this game by association (knights fought arabs who fought mongols who fought samarai)...then we should also have native americans by association.

It would be cool.

The Beothuk of Newfoundland:
(click to show/hide)
And why not aztecs but the natives you are used to watch in those movies in the end of the 19 century?....