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Title: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 09, 2013, 04:25:06 pm
I did a bit of historical research.About the length of the specific swords.This is what i found

Paramerion is at 94 cm."The tenth century Sylloge tacticorum gives the length of this kind of sword as the equivalent of 94 cm and mentions a new saber-like sword of the same length, the paramerion, a curved one-edged slashing weapon for cavalrymen. "Crpg lenght is at 103

Spathion is at ?? cm."According to the Strategika, by the sixth century the short Roman gladius had been abandoned in favor of a long two-edged sword, the spathion, used by both the infantry and cavalry."Spathion in Crpg is listed as one handed with 102 length

Katana is at 90-124cm."Most styles use a katana handle length from 10 to 12 inches long .  Some use longer handles up to 16 inches long.
(1 inch=2.54cm).  By the late 16th century, the average katana blade length is  approximately at 73 cm  "Crpg  length is at 95

My suggestion

Paramerion length should be at 95

Katana should be at least at 100 length

Spathion is a 2h ordinary Xiphos-Spathi-Sword

The Byzantium should aim for Historical accuracy of their weapons.

As always kisses and love to everybody








Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Horst_Kurmoottaja on March 09, 2013, 04:29:00 pm
I am not 100% sure about this but I think that item balancing is affecting and overriding historical facts sometimes slightly in crpg. Just sake of balancing, that is.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Chasey on March 09, 2013, 04:31:49 pm

The Byzantium should aim for Historical accuracy of their weapons.


We dont control what stats go on the items.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 09, 2013, 04:33:56 pm
We dont control what stats go on the items.
You do control the length stat, which is the only thing he's complaining about, just sayin'.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 09, 2013, 04:41:57 pm
We dont control what stats go on the items.

The length of Paramerion is way off.And Spathion is not even  one handed weapon.It seems that both weapons were created specific for your clan but historically are incorrect and in favor Byzantium style of play (shield +sword).
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Tyr_ on March 09, 2013, 04:47:02 pm
I see,byzantium is the only clan with shielders, there are no 1h/shielders in other clans or without any clan?

Also, why should the katana be longer? 95 is withing the given lenghts
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Korgoth on March 09, 2013, 04:51:45 pm
No one in Byzantium makes the weapons. Zimke does. We don't control the stats, thats whoever in the cRPG dev team.

Also in what world is every sword exactly the same size?
I'm not sure about this but is the length stat in CMs?
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 09, 2013, 04:56:05 pm
I see,byzantium is the only clan with shielders, there are no 1h/shielders in other clans or without any clan?

Also, why should the katana be longer? 95 is withing the given lenghts

Paramerion and Spathion are Byzantium weapons.

Katana should have the average length.

 
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Osiris on March 09, 2013, 04:58:29 pm
where does it say spathion is used 2h?  it says double edged not double handed?
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 09, 2013, 04:59:27 pm
No one in Byzantium makes the weapons. Zimke does. We don't control the stats, thats whoever in the cRPG dev team.

Also in what world is every sword exactly the same size?
I'm not sure about this but is the length stat in CMs?

I think  is in cm from what it look likes.Did anyone from Byzantium noticed the historical incorrectness of both swords?
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Korgoth on March 09, 2013, 04:59:39 pm
This seems like a Buff Katana Thread in disguise...

I think  is in cm from what it look likes.Did anyone from Byzantium noticed the historical incorrectness of both swords?

Wow the sword is 9CM too long. OP SHIT MAN.

Medieval Blacksmiths didn't have fucking blueprints. Not all swords of the same type were exactly the same size...
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on March 09, 2013, 05:01:28 pm
You know. I've heard a lot of suggestions in my time about increasing katana length and I'm against it.

I like the niche katana is in. Making it longer, it's just another bastard sword. What I enjoy is trying out different weapons, which means different playstyles. Which is why I dislike any balance suggestion that decrease the diversity of the gameplay.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 09, 2013, 05:03:34 pm
where does it say spathion is used 2h?  it says double edged not double handed?

You are right man.there is no info if its one handed or two handed

the word Spathion-Spathi-Xiphos is very ordinary word for a sword."There were many sword (xiphos) types; straight, curved, one- and two-handed, which are depicted in illustrations."
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 09, 2013, 05:09:13 pm
You know. I've heard a lot of suggestions in my time about increasing katana length and I'm against it.

I like the niche katana is in. Making it longer, it's just another bastard sword. What I enjoy is trying out different weapons, which means different playstyles. Which is why I dislike any balance suggestion that decrease the diversity of the gameplay.

95 is the small katana version used..Myamoto Musashi had a longer version of katana of 110 cm..
Thats why i believe 100 cm is a good katana length
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Angantyr on March 09, 2013, 05:16:24 pm
The weapons mentioned in the OP weren't crafted adhering to rigidly fixed lenghts historically; variety herein was common despite period trends.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Korgoth on March 09, 2013, 05:17:38 pm
95 is the small katana version used..Myamoto Musashi had a longer version of katana of 110 cm..
Thats why i believe 100 cm is a good katana length

Well make a model of a 100cm katana. Make a thread in the suggestions and I'm sure the cRPG dev team will be delighted with your help.

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Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 09, 2013, 06:17:09 pm
You know. I've heard a lot of suggestions in my time about increasing katana length and I'm against it.

I like the niche katana is in. Making it longer, it's just another bastard sword. What I enjoy is trying out different weapons, which means different playstyles. Which is why I dislike any balance suggestion that decrease the diversity of the gameplay.

this, dont dull it down, please.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ujin on March 09, 2013, 07:06:51 pm
This thread belongs (if i may say so) in the "realism discussion" section.... to be forgotten there forever.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Zanze on March 09, 2013, 07:21:18 pm
95 is the small katana version used..Myamoto Musashi had a longer version of katana of 110 cm..
Thats why i believe 100 cm is a good katana length

Musashi also beat someone down with an oar, we should add that as well then.

You want a longer katana, use a nodachi. It is as Korgoth has been telling you, not all swords were the same length. You are asking for such minute changes in length that most players, probably including you, would probably not notice it in a practical setting.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 09, 2013, 07:28:59 pm
Musashi also beat someone down with an oar, we should add that as well then.

You want a longer katana, use a nodachi. It is as Korgoth has been telling you, not all swords were the same length. You are asking for such minute changes in length that most players, probably including you, would probably not notice it in a practical setting.
a longer Katana would be a noticeable change, trust me.. :P

what horrors it would cause
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Teeth on March 09, 2013, 08:08:16 pm
I think you should be careful anyway with comparing the length of the weapon in cRPG to real life cm. It depends on the grip, it only takes into account the length past the grip and 1 length might not even actually be a centimeter, just something close.

In fact, when looking at this screenshot, everything from the hand and up is supposed to be the cRPG weapon length as far as I know, which in case of 103 cm blade length, would make the character about 2 meters.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on March 09, 2013, 09:49:54 pm
I think you should be careful anyway with comparing the length of the weapon in cRPG to real life cm. It depends on the grip, it only takes into account the length past the grip and 1 length might not even actually be a centimeter, just something close.

In fact, when looking at this screenshot, everything from the hand and up is supposed to be the cRPG weapon length as far as I know, which in case of 103 cm blade length, would make the character about 2 meters.
(click to show/hide)

to the length thingy
A char is 2 1/2 wooden sticks big what makes 156.5 cm in total what is a normal(bit too small) size of a medieval person
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Kaoklai on March 10, 2013, 01:21:26 am
Musashi also beat someone down with an oar, we should add that as well then.

I am so down with adding an oar as a peasant polearm (passive bonus: increases movement speed in water :D)
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Tibe on March 10, 2013, 03:36:12 pm
This "Its historically inaccurate" is just your own pathetic way of trying easly increasing your own game performance with little effort Ras. Cause you use a katana. Alot of weapons are historically inaccurate. But you go straight for the katana cause you are a crap player who wouldnt last even a minute on the battlefield without that spammingweapon. Luckly it does have its weaknesses and you cant accept the fact that you just suck.

There is no god damn lenght issue with the Katana. By game balance its just fine. Deal with it looser. Use a No-Dachi if you want more range in your Eastern weapon. But you wont do that. Cause without spamming lots of feints you are nothing...
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 10, 2013, 04:24:31 pm
This "Its historically inaccurate" is just your own pathetic way of trying easly increasing your own game performance with little effort Ras. Cause you use a katana. Alot of weapons are historically inaccurate. But you go straight for the katana cause you are a crap player who wouldnt last even a minute on the battlefield without that spammingweapon. Luckly it does have its weaknesses and you cant accept the fact that you just suck.

There is no god damn lenght issue with the Katana. By game balance its just fine. Deal with it looser. Use a No-Dachi if you want more range in your Eastern weapon. But you wont do that. Cause without spamming lots of feints you are nothing...

Dude why you mad?Did i kill you in duel despite you having "100%" block?Did i make your eyes bleed?

cant you post something without insulting and acting like an internet thug?

Please Internet  rambo chill.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Tibe on March 10, 2013, 04:43:26 pm
Basically cause you are a fail excuse for a troll. Your trolls are always very lame. You are like a failing clown who keeps constantly throwing pies in a guys face and goes "funny huh?" and repeats same thing for many hours straight, not being able to catch a clue that people stopped laughing long ago and now just pitty you...

Its like once in duel you went like "autoblocking fucker"... It was funny at first, but than it got wierd when you spammed the chat with basically some wierd autoblock crap for 10 whole minutes straight. You are a wierd dude... And your wierdness just keeps escalating over time cause you are so clueless of the fact that you are not funny, but since you are always in denial and want to prove otherwise you just keep at it.

And I am pretty "chill".........
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 10, 2013, 05:02:39 pm
Basically cause you are a fail excuse for a troll. Your trolls are always very lame. You are like a failing clown who keeps constantly throwing pies in a guys face and goes "funny huh?" and repeats same thing for many hours straight, not being able to catch a clue that people stopped laughing long ago and now just pitty you...

Its like once in duel you went like "autoblocking fucker"... It was funny at first, but than it got wierd when you spammed the chat with basically some wierd autoblock crap for 10 whole minutes straight. You are a wierd dude... And your wierdness just keeps escalating over time cause you are so clueless of the fact that you are not funny, but since you are always in denial and want to prove otherwise you just keep at it.

And I am pretty "chill".........


You are on rage son..You lost from a duel from a guy with manual block and now you are raging..acting like a thug from your PC.
You need to relax its a game..I dint spam any chat since my warning man no need for lies..

From your post i understand  that you might be underaged.
This is a length issue post.But you came here to rage on me..nice...

Now call your lil gang to come and give me -1
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Tibe on March 10, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
I have no gang. Everybody here has a mind of their own. If they -1d you, they also werent amused.

And stop with the "you are raging, this is a game" speech. It is especially ironic that its you thats writing this. I think you should remember this lot more than me.

I dont rage in duel, I didnt write or complain about anything when you won. I have no problem with loosing in duel. I only rage in battle(and even than only my neibhours know about it :D). Dont think yourself that special. I loose alot, im an awful player. I dont rage cause you beat me, I rage cause you are a moron and you spam chats and forums with your fail trolling. And mybe you havent done it in a while now, I havent been around much these weeks, but before you did and im not the only one saying this.

Its also funny that you try to act like you are the cool guy here by using words like "you are on rage son" and "underaged".
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 10, 2013, 06:35:06 pm
Love when a guy goes on bitching about someone -1ing him while -1ing that guys post.

Also, Ras go back to the realism section were you belong.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 10, 2013, 06:56:41 pm
Love when a guy goes on bitching about someone -1ing him while -1ing that guys post.

Also, Ras go back to the realism section were you belong.

i should man..there is where i belong :)
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 10, 2013, 07:27:21 pm
This "Its historically inaccurate" is just your own pathetic way of trying easly increasing your own game performance with little effort Ras. Cause you use a katana. Alot of weapons are historically inaccurate. But you go straight for the katana cause you are a crap player who wouldnt last even a minute on the battlefield without that spammingweapon. Luckly it does have its weaknesses and you cant accept the fact that you just suck.

There is no god damn lenght issue with the Katana. By game balance its just fine. Deal with it looser. Use a No-Dachi if you want more range in your Eastern weapon. But you wont do that. Cause without spamming lots of feints you are nothing...

I think with this post of yours we can clearly see why i believe you are underaged..and you cant see why i believe that your on somekind of a mental stress.
Its ok you are human this type of behavior is expected.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 10, 2013, 07:45:49 pm
I have no gang. Everybody here has a mind of their own. If they -1d you, they also werent amused.

And stop with the "you are raging, this is a game" speech. It is especially ironic that its you thats writing this. I think you should remember this lot more than me.

I dont rage in duel, I didnt write or complain about anything when you won. I have no problem with loosing in duel. I only rage in battle(and even than only my neibhours know about it :D). Dont think yourself that special. I loose alot, im an awful player. I dont rage cause you beat me, I rage cause you are a moron and you spam chats and forums with your fail trolling. And mybe you havent done it in a while now, I havent been around much these weeks, but before you did and im not the only one saying this.

Its also funny that you try to act like you are the cool guy here by using words like "you are on rage son" and "underaged".

So you came back to attack me at my post ?
Pathetic man.

But its my fault i apologize man for making you feel this way..

What is done is done..You should be able to move on now..Continue with your life and never look back..look at it like i was mentally challenging you.Like it was a test of your mental health.(you failed the test but now atleast you know what to do from now on)

Everyone is special man..you are special
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Tibe on March 10, 2013, 08:26:22 pm
Its pretty funny watching you calling others mentally ill and pathetic.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Zaren on March 10, 2013, 10:50:58 pm
I did a bit of historical research.About the length of the specific swords.This is what i found

Spathion is at ?? cm."According to the Strategika, by the sixth century the short Roman gladius had been abandoned in favor of a long two-edged sword, the spathion, used by both the infantry and cavalry."Spathion in Crpg is listed as one handed with 102 length


Spathion is a 2h ordinary Xiphos-Spathi-Sword

double edged isnt always 2h
and realism<balance since if things were entirely realistic well...............crpg would be bullshit-kinda already is
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 11, 2013, 04:02:25 am
double edged isnt always 2h
and realism<balance since if things were entirely realistic well...............crpg would be bullshit-kinda already is

You are right man..i couldnt find any info if it is 2h or 1h..i found both Paramerion and Spathion quite long for 1h.

Paramerion by itself is OP
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 11, 2013, 04:06:44 am
Its pretty funny watching you calling others mentally ill and pathetic.

man i didnt call you mentally ill..relax your obviously not. 8-)

I just said you were on a mental Stress..

Have peace man.

No worries
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: owens on March 11, 2013, 04:11:12 am
^RAS

You new hear? trolling is PK business, move on son.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Smoothrich on March 11, 2013, 07:11:10 am
Ras I respect your posting stats.

Posts: 43  (0.059 per day)
Renown: 11
Infamy: 114

Very impressive.  Keep up the pro posting.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Tibe on March 11, 2013, 07:25:22 am
man i didnt call you mentally ill..relax your obviously not. 8-)

I just said you were on a mental Stress..

Have peace man.

No worries

Stress is also illness...
And you think I have mental stress cause I used a few swearwords in my posts when  I described you? Please diagnose me more Dr. Ras.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Muki on March 11, 2013, 07:56:22 am
learn to face hug :D and your 95 length problem is fixed.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Vibe on March 11, 2013, 08:27:13 am
i'm just going to drop a -1 on this thread
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 11, 2013, 08:30:15 am
i'm just going to drop a -1 on this thread
i'm just going to drop a +1 on this post
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Falka on March 11, 2013, 08:39:04 am
Ras I respect your posting stats.

Posts: 43  (0.059 per day)
Renown: 11
Infamy: 114

Very impressive.  Keep up the pro posting.

You're just jelly... I would "+" your posts Ras, but don't want to destroy your red sword  :wink:
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: [ptx] on March 11, 2013, 12:33:16 pm
I think with this post of yours we can clearly see
Who is this "we" you speak of? There is only you, rasfrenzyyy... would you like to talk about it?
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Torben on March 11, 2013, 01:15:59 pm
You are right man..i couldnt find any info if it is 2h or 1h..i found both Paramerion and Spathion quite long for 1h.

Paramerion by itself is OP

the spathion replaced the gladius,  so it should be one handed.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 11, 2013, 02:50:44 pm
Who is this "we" you speak of? There is only you, rasfrenzyyy... would you like to talk about it?

Its me myself and I man
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 11, 2013, 02:53:38 pm
Stress is also illness...
And you think I have mental stress cause I used a few swearwords in my posts when  I described you? Please diagnose me more Dr. Ras.

Man your posts prove that.Not me
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on March 11, 2013, 02:56:33 pm
You're just jelly... I would "+" your posts Ras, but don't want to destroy your red sword  :wink:

 :mrgreen:
Ty man :wink:
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Falka on March 11, 2013, 03:07:48 pm
C-C-C-Combo Breaker!  :P Triple posting like a baws  :wink:
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Berserkadin on March 19, 2013, 07:10:44 pm
Ras prolly got them assburgers.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: korppis on March 20, 2013, 01:58:14 pm
These?
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Azlanek on March 24, 2013, 10:39:17 am
I want this.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: PanPan on March 24, 2013, 11:35:40 am
STOOP MINUSING THIS POOR GUY!
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Kalp on March 24, 2013, 11:53:25 am
STOOP MINUSING THIS POOR GUY!
Give me a loom  :twisted:
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: PanPan on April 10, 2013, 07:26:53 pm
Give me a loom  :twisted:
k. But as far as I know You've got enough  :lol:
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Kalp on April 10, 2013, 07:38:11 pm
I don't understand what means enough  :D Ask these people who have 10-15 and more +3 items, maybe they know  :wink:
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: bruce on April 13, 2013, 05:29:48 am
I too think we should leave models as they are and change weapon lengths because it is always fun when you get killed half a meter away from the actual weapon model.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Spa_geh_tea on April 13, 2013, 05:17:25 pm
I too think we should leave models as they are and change weapon lengths because it is always fun when you get killed half a meter away from the actual weapon model.

If anything, weapon lengths should always be shorter than the model to prevent such occurances.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Vaynes on April 18, 2013, 08:05:00 pm
95 is the small katana version used..Myamoto Musashi had a longer version of katana of 110 cm..
Thats why i believe 100 cm is a good katana length

The katana's length was based on the size of the person it was made for and his sword style. There is no point in changing the length of it in a game where everyone is the same size and as someone pointed out adding length will just make it a bastard sword and make the game duller. If you wanna be a true samurai in-game use on of their real primary weapon (not the katana which wasn't even popular until right before the EDO PERIOD the time of peace) such as the lance on a horse or bow or naginata (which was rarer)
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Berserkadin on April 19, 2013, 01:58:35 am
The Yari was also a very popular weapon for use in warfare, both on foot and on horseback.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Molly on April 19, 2013, 08:56:19 am
All fun and nonsense aside... BUFF KATANA STAB!  :mrgreen:

Do eet... do eet nao!
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: DUKE DICKBUTT on April 22, 2013, 09:34:07 am
Well, the Paramerion and Spathion have pretty mediocre stats compared to NCS or KAS.  Maybe they ought to be mixed up a bit.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Berserkadin on April 22, 2013, 09:37:24 am
Well, the Paramerion and Spathion have pretty mediocre stats compared to NCS or KAS.  Maybe they ought to be mixed up a bit.
What? Both lose 1 speed for a stronger stab and para gets 1 extra reach.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: IR_Kuoin on April 22, 2013, 09:58:40 am
If you can't handle the Katanas reach, get more athl. or your not worthy of using the Katana.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on April 26, 2013, 11:46:47 am
It also needs a speed buff and a massive buff to thrust!!!

Love your thread ;)
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 15, 2013, 05:47:22 pm
I did a bit of historical research.About the length of the specific swords.This is what i found

Paramerion is at 94 cm."The tenth century Sylloge tacticorum gives the length of this kind of sword as the equivalent of 94 cm and mentions a new saber-like sword of the same length, the paramerion, a curved one-edged slashing weapon for cavalrymen. "Crpg lenght is at 103

Spathion is at ?? cm."According to the Strategika, by the sixth century the short Roman gladius had been abandoned in favor of a long two-edged sword, the spathion, used by both the infantry and cavalry."Spathion in Crpg is listed as one handed with 102 length

Katana is at 90-124cm."Most styles use a katana handle length from 10 to 12 inches long .  Some use longer handles up to 16 inches long.
(1 inch=2.54cm).  By the late 16th century, the average katana blade length is  approximately at 73 cm  "Crpg  length is at 95

My suggestion

Paramerion length should be at 95

Katana should be at least at 100 length

Spathion is a 2h ordinary Xiphos-Spathi-Sword

The Byzantium should aim for Historical accuracy of their weapons.

As always kisses and love to everybody

spatha is a one handed sword with blade lenght around 80cm which served as base design for very widespread arming sword and has absolutely no connection to xiphos or any other greek weapons. it was used by cavalry and infantry that needed longer reach due to barbarians and other foes of roman empire using longer infantry sidearms.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 15, 2013, 05:49:00 pm
All fun and nonsense aside... BUFF KATANA STAB!  :mrgreen:

Do eet... do eet nao!
seriously? it is a curved blade with already over-the-top speed rating. i dont think it needs any buff.
Title: Re: (length issue).Katana vs Spathion,Paramerion
Post by: elvis1325 on July 16, 2013, 11:02:01 pm
I'm sure the spathion and paramerion are cavalry weapons, so shortening them takes its purpose away.