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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Corrado_Decimo on July 22, 2011, 02:46:07 am
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this kind of autobalance on public servers is silly. only useful to make some random clan to come in with 20 players in TS and farm money while the cannon fodder play for fun at x1. (i'll let you imagine the fun. Normal public server players, mixed with some tkers, some leechers, against one or two stacked clans placing Csites, perfect ladders...)
there are three public siege servers. can't we set one of those with no banner balance?
a lot of people is going to rejoin the servers with some random clan banner just to get switched in it and enjoy x5.
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Convince the non-official servers to turn it off.
Currently even the smallest of clans push for banner balance, and clans are outnumbering the "randomers" by a significant amount when calling for Banner balance. BB is here to stay.
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Well sometimes late at night on the ATS Siege, generally when there are no clans, I turn on Strict Autobalance. Even with Strict, there are generally teams that keep winning and teams that keep losing. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference, but then I haven't tested this with clans.
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Well sometimes late at night on the ATS Siege, generally when there are no clans, I turn on Strict Autobalance. Even with Strict, there are generally teams that keep winning and teams that keep losing. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference, but then I haven't tested this with clans.
When the LLJK server had it off, it always had a group of top players still lumped together against just one top player, and that team always won...
I just don't see the difference myself.
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All i know is that just becuase a clan has 10+ on a team and are on ts doesnt necessarily mean theyre going to win against 3-4 kids from a smaller clan on mumble.
Personally i like banner balance, its nice to play with clanmates vs others that are in the same situation. And most of the time my clan is pretty heavily outnumbered by LLJK/ATS/Hospitaller etc.
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All i know is that just becuase a clan has 10+ on a team and are on ts doesnt necessarily mean theyre going to win against 3-4 kids from a smaller clan on mumble.
Personally i like banner balance, its nice to play with clanmates vs others that are in the same situation. And most of the time my clan is pretty heavily outnumbered by LLJK/ATS/Hospitaller etc.
This. Some clans are not as... organized... when in large numbers, and small ones like DFC still rolls the other team despite only being 2-4 people on at a time.
There is at least 2 clans out there that are less then exemplary when hitting a server with 20+ people and all you have to do is nail their top hitter (or 3) and the rest may as well be randoms...
And then you have people who individually take out an entire clan all by themselves when on a server, which cracks me up.
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This. Some clans are not as... organized... when in large numbers, and small ones like DFC still rolls the other team despite only being 2-4 people on at a time.
There is at least 2 clans out there that are less then exemplary when hitting a server with 20+ people and all you have to do is nail their top hitter (or 3) and the rest may as well be randoms...
And then you have people who individually take out an entire clan all by themselves when on a server, which cracks me up.
sorry i was talking about real clans. not some cannon fodder sharing the same prefix and banner. go see some grey order siege action sometime. you can't just hold 10 of em alone or in 2-3 when they go ninja the flag. the fact is you can't gather and lead all the random play for fun people on your team against that level. and if you make it, you'll probably end teamswitched anyway while the actual clanstack get mass-switched too.
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This. Some clans are not as... organized... when in large numbers, and small ones like DFC still rolls the other team despite only being 2-4 people on at a time.
There is at least 2 clans out there that are less then exemplary when hitting a server with 20+ people and all you have to do is nail their top hitter (or 3) and the rest may as well be randoms...
And then you have people who individually take out an entire clan all by themselves when on a server, which cracks me up.
You're talking about lljk aren't you. Those guys are seriously bad. Especially that damug guy, he's worse than goatek.
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You're talking about lljk aren't you. Those guys are seriously bad. Especially that damug guy, he's worse than goatek.
Heh, no... I was thinking of a specific three clans that are not LLJK actually... Strategus already has proven that (at least in the fight I was in) the LLJK can actually play a serious game and keep it together. It was a welcome surprise, in all honesty... though yeah that Damug guy is just terribad, but I was talking about "real" players.
sorry i was talking about real clans. not some cannon fodder sharing the same prefix and banner. go see some grey order siege action sometime. you can't just hold 10 of em alone or in 2-3 when they go ninja the flag. the fact is you can't gather and lead all the random play for fun people on your team against that level. and if you make it, you'll probably end teamswitched anyway while the actual clanstack get mass-switched too.
I have seen the Greys in action thank you, but everyone is a real clan, just some have a hopeless leader/trainer or an influx of new recruits that have temporarily diluted the ranks too much. Of course the clans that have a higher organizational level will be smashing the opposition with ease, but we already know that, and honestly you can't really stop that sort of thing. That would be like complaining that one of the best players in the game more often then not destroys average players...
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Of course the clans that have a higher organizational level will be smashing the opposition with ease, but we already know that, and honestly you can't really stop that sort of thing.
so you say it's right. having clanwar organization and using it as a gold mine and clanwar training (including TS, a clan trained to fight together all day, good mix of builds, top of the line equipment, above average skill, a commander commanding that team) in a public server versus people that just go there saying "what a shitting work day... let's smash some heads" is right.
when you go in a public server like shogunate, where the worst player is above average and the best player usually is one of the top players, you expect that and you go there having balanced teams most of the time. usually 3-4 clans fielding 5-10 players that cooperate to win, no leechers, no tkers.
there is a little difference from that case to a usual siege server where you can't simply compete with your random teammates against a full stack clanwar-minded team.
i just say that we have 3 EU siege servers. and i'm asking to the devs and admins at least ONE of those servers to be set with a different autobalance algorythm. (you know, there are more autobalance settings. 1 is strict autobalance, 2 is autobalance by banner, 3 is no autobalance).
if clans want to farm money in the other 2 sieges, they can go there and do their clanwar stuff against other clans, like we all do in the shogunate public battle server or various clan tournaments.
im not complaining about a "better than me" enemy. i should remember that our clan (Legio) in the shogunate tournament gone up in the winners bracket to face the Mercs in the finals. As a clan, we surely enjoy a good clanstack versus clanstack. but in my opinion, public servers and ladder clanwars should be in different servers.
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and oh... im not the only one complaining about that. but is kinda "meh" when you have a spare hour to play some siege and you get a good clan planning to farm in it.
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crying about having to fight clans, in a game designed for clans to fight each other
OP is fail
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I tend to agree especially after seeing several clans using the same banner.
I thought the spirit of BB was that you can play with (clan)mates and form small squads and not about powergrinding.
Don't really see why one BBless server should hurt, more options = more fun. Plus, the other server would free up a bit and you could have more clan vs clan matches there, everyone is a winner.
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If there were specific servers with BB off and normal autobalance on then yes I would support them as long as the official servers still have a bunch of 120 slot servers ready for BB.
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crying about having to fight clans, in a game designed for clans to fight each other
OP is fail
as your troll attempt is.
as you stated clans to fight each other.
not clans farming on random people.
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ATS 50 man server has banner balance off.
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as your troll attempt is.
as you stated clans to fight each other.
not clans farming on random people.
omg randoms using a clan's banner and actually listening to orders and working as a team? MY GOD MAN. they've evolving and adapting, unlike you...you're just whining
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Im not in a clan and have never been. I prefer banner balance turned ON.
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omg random leechers using a clan's banner and actually listening to orders and working as a team just lucky enough to get balanced in the farming clan while that clan win the round itself? MY GOD MAN. they've evolving and adapting, unlike you... i'm just trolling and babbling stuff.
fixed.
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Are you insane? Playing with clanmates and teamwork are the main sources of joy for me in this game. Just get your clan, if you have one, to play and we will have nice battles/sieges like we already sometimes have versus Risen or HRE.
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seems you all either can't read or don't want to.
i have a clan and i like to play with it against other clans or good clanstacked servers, i can't join TS all the damn time i want to play because i have a damn life and if i feel to jump in a siege for 30 mins after lunch i don't have to mind to call in all my clanmates, pull out tactic maps, fire up TS, grabbing headphones, etc. only because this retarded banner balance force someone to go zerg a server with his entire clan.
i hope is the last time i explain why before some other trolling kid try to make this thread a damn tv talkshow.
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Are you insane? Playing with clanmates and teamwork are the main sources of joy for me in this game. Just get your clan, if you have one, to play and we will have nice battles/sieges like we already sometimes have versus Risen or HRE.
nevermind. it's just useless to spend more time debating it. have a nice day.
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omg randoms using a clan's banner and actually listening to orders and working as a team? MY GOD MAN. they've evolving and adapting, unlike you...you're just whining
How old are you? 5?. Actually the great majority of players are "freelancers" so...?
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nevermind. it's just useless to spend more time debating it. have a nice day.
Dont waste your time with kids who havent a job. They wont understand you no matter what you tell them. They actually live in CRPG lolipop' world where they are the masters... They just dont realize most people have responsabilites...
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Dont waste your time with kids who havent a job. They wont understand you no matter what you tell them. They actually live in CRPG lolipop' world where they are the masters... They just dont realize most people have responsabilites...
I love how you instantly start hurling insults right back, saying he is a 5 year old and that everyone who is part of a clan does not have a job etc...
The majority of us have responsibilities...
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I love how you instantly start hurling insults right back, saying he is a 5 year old and that everyone who is part of a clan does not have a job etc...
The majority of us have responsibilities...
Insults? what insults? do you care to tell me what insults i told him?. When did i said ppl from clans aren jobless?... you have a great imagination. I tell he is like a 5 yo coz he actually acts like one.
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I remember when I wasn't in a clan and wanted banner balance to be turned off. I agree that it can be overwhelming for newer players, but I would recommend just grabbing a clan banner and trying to stick with them. I'm in ATS, and we all have the same banner; however, we rarely feel the need to use teamwork in TS though, unless we are getting rolled by a good team. (Too much work too coordinate imo!)
Heh, sometimes I just say to a good team, "STOP USING TEAMWORK U!!!" then charge into 10 people and die :oops:
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ATS 50 man server has banner balance off.
Didn't this guy already point out the solution to the problem is currently present. No need to argue. Just go have fun on the server without banner balance that's completely empty for some mysterious reason.
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i feel to jump in a siege for 30 mins after lunch i don't have to mind to call in all my clanmates, pull out tactic maps, fire up TS, grabbing headphones, etc.
So you got roflstomped by a clan a few times and instead of adjusting your playstyle to match the challenge you come here and demand that game system should be adjusted to suit randomers who dont care about teamplay. Brilliant. :lol:
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Insults? what insults? do you care to tell me what insults i told him?. When did i said ppl from clans aren jobless?... you have a great imagination. I tell he is like a 5 yo coz he actually acts like one.
This may come as a massive shock to you but this does fit the definition of an insult:
How old are you? 5?.
You are calling someone who you know for a fact is not 5 (due to being able to type properly and such) a five year old. In almost every culture this would be insulting, and quite a few culture take calling a man a boy is extremely insulting.
Dont waste your time with kids who havent a job. They wont understand you no matter what you tell them. They actually live in CRPG lolipop' world where they are the masters... They just dont realize most people have responsabilites...
Again, calling people "kids" is an insult, as well as saying "wont understand you no matter what you tell them" means that you are now saying they have sub-par intelect or in common terms "an idiot."
How do you not understand that these were insults?
Moving on...
Last night Banner Balance was turned off on NA_1 and somehow this did not make a difference for hours, as one team was always stopming another team. I still stand by my stance that BB is fine as is, as without it the server was still seeing odd things like 4-1 or 4-0 map scores regularly even with BB off.
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So you got roflstomped by a clan a few times and instead of adjusting your playstyle to match the challenge you come here and demand that game system should be adjusted to suit randomers who dont care about teamplay. Brilliant. :lol:
yes i got roflstomped a lot of times against clanstacks because i was the only retard going to defend backdoors at first round. no matter how many i take down. when a clan go ninja with 10 players and you're alone, you can take down half of them but the other half will go flag and you're screwed. just an easy example for an easy mind.
besides that...
aren't you the 22nd_ozwan i steamrolled a year ago with my old archer? now i get why so much troll.
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Moving on...
Last night Banner Balance was turned off on NA_1 and somehow this did not make a difference for hours, as one team was always stopming another team. I still stand by my stance that BB is fine as is, as without it the server was still seeing odd things like 4-1 or 4-0 map scores regularly even with BB off.
Sure one team is going to win. Maybe even high. But you get switched and have multiple maps etc. so everyone gets average of 50% win, or x2 multiplier. The difference is when you have a 60 people server and 20 people with the same flag, your chance to be switched to the stacked team is like 25%, so if the stacked team keeps x5 for 2 hours the other side is on x1 for 2h, with the occasional x2 or x3, so maybe 1.2 multiplier.
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yes i got roflstomped a lot of times against clanstacks because i was the only retard going to defend backdoors at first round. no matter how many i take down. when a clan go ninja with 10 players and you're alone, you can take down half of them but the other half will go flag and you're screwed. just an easy example for an easy mind.
besides that...
Oh dear, lets us shed the fucking tears that you can't solo 10 players. Try sticking with the other ignorant pubs :rolleyes:
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Oh dear, lets us shed the fucking tears that you can't solo 10 players. Try sticking with the other ignorant pubs :rolleyes:
Maybe he just needs some reputation.
Whenever I type in chat that there are ninjas at the back, there are always a dozen willing souls that help me :mrgreen:
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i fully agree with everything OP said , banner balance is retarded , if you want to play with your friends , strategus is there for that , in NA it goes like it,
Pubbies VS all the clans , the banner balance is stupid it put ALL CLANS together to murder thoses poors pubbies
Its beyond stupid when i have to fight the clans 90% most of the time because for you to get to play with your clannies , it prefer doing unbalanced teams ,
Wake up guys , you love playing and steamrolling rounds 5-1 or 4-1? of course you do for the 5x sigh
( mind you the first round was won before balance actually took place)
i wounldnt be so against banner balance if it wasnt so stupid
All that bs about oh i want to play with my friends and nobody seem to talk about how much xp you make while doing so and how people with no clans scrounge the rest ,
and please people , stop using suggestions like : put the clan banner or get in a clan , i can join a clan whenever i feel like it , itd not the question, putting the banner of the clan is just admiting you go with the flow and make it as there is no problems
Sorry for my bad english
edit : oh and tears , i wished you didnt troll the original OP it is a legitimate issue that crpg has atm , your better than that :(
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But I like steamrolling everyone with my clan, when we are doing too well, our team gets ripped apart by balance so we are like 2:1 against the enemy. I don't think this needs a change.
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But I like steamrolling everyone with my clan, when we are doing too well, our team gets ripped apart by balance so we are like 2:1 against the enemy. I don't think this needs a change.
most clans rarely get steamrolled RARELY , we are talking a bigger scale not losing once in a while and steamrolling most of the time
also numbers means nothing when the other is full of peasants , while the clan has people loaded with mw plate , weapons and horses
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edit : oh and tears , i wished you didnt troll the original OP it is a legitimate issue that crpg has atm , your better than that :(
Eh, sowwy :oops: I thought I only trolled the Tripkiki or however his name goes guy who was hurling insults and claimed that they were not insults.
I was honestly not trying to troll the OP.
I honestly think the best solution would be to make a few server have BB off, but still have quite a few that keep it on. Best of both worlds.
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Eh, sowwy :oops: I thought I only trolled the Tripkiki or however his name goes guy who was hurling insults and claimed that they were not insults.
I was honestly not trying to troll the OP.
I honestly think the best solution would be to make a few server have BB off, but still have quite a few that keep it on. Best of both worlds.
now that would be freaking awesome but lets not jest it wont happen
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The reason clans don't get steam rolled is because they often use teamwork and that is pretty much the superior tactic in crpg. If you want to counter it, start using teamwork on your end. The better the teamwork, the better chance you stand. I suggest teamspeak or ventrillo so you can coordinate attacks and figure out where allies are when they go out of sight. But good luck pulling that off without a clan. You can complain because clans have the advantage, but they straight out deserve the advantage. This is a team game. Solo players are generally screwed.
now that would be freaking awesome but lets not jest it wont happen
Somebody already said ATS 50 man has banner balance off. But it's typically empty. I'm guessing for that very reason
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The thing is usually when clanmembers play in one team the other team gets far more people, sometimes as Greys we get to fight like twice as many pubbers as our team. So its basically just quantity vs. quality, quite often pubbers like the op get to win in situation like that.
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The thing is usually when clanmembers play in one team the other team gets far more people, sometimes as Greys we get to fight like twice as many pubbers as our team. So its basically just quantity vs. quality, quite often pubbers like the op get to win in situation like that.
I've seen that happen quite a few times with the Shogunate, Grey, and Fallen. Most of the time, the clan wins. Teamwork tends to overcome even massive numbers.
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The thing is usually when clanmembers play in one team the other team gets far more people, sometimes as Greys we get to fight like twice as many pubbers as our team. So its basically just quantity vs. quality, quite often pubbers like the op get to win in situation like that.
i'm a pubber? look where the grey order is in this ladderboard and look where the legione_italica is.
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only because i say "public servers shouldn't be goldfarms" doesn't mean i'm a random pubber.
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Usually when I am on servers with my clan, the autobalance keeps moving more and more players to the other side, untill it's impossible for us to win.
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Usually when I am on servers with my clan, the autobalance keeps moving more and more players to the other side, untill it's impossible for us to win.
i know. i play a lot with risens too. and they often get autobalanced in mixed teams or in the smaller team.. dunno why some clans get full stacked every single round.
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theres a server with autobalance off, but hey lets ignore that fact.