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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2015, 05:37:02 am »
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A sizable portion of the people in the industry seem to think it will happen eventually. None of them know when, though.


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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2015, 06:53:04 am »
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and stephen hawking is actively trying to stop it from happening, that dumb fucking retard what does he know about anything
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2015, 09:52:52 am »
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A sizable portion of the people in the industry seem to think it will happen eventually. None of them know when, though.
What industry? Most people are just talking about their feelings on the matter, without actual research. There are precious few AGI specialists.

and stephen hawking is actively trying to stop it from happening, that dumb fucking retard what does he know about anything

... And Stephen Hawking is certainly not one. But people like Dooz assume that if someone is good at physics or math it makes them general specialists.
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2015, 10:02:27 am »
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Since feeling are based on chemicals rather than electricity you will have to have a computer made of super tiny chips that can translate molecules into data, and seriously who wants to have bunch of robots walking around. I hope for better cloning and DNA tinkering, thats the future I believe. Unless back to stone age.
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2015, 11:30:43 am »
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Do people also forget that computers which could only do a minuscule fraction of what our phones can now used to be the size of a room?

Yes, and the causes of this are not and were not mysterious. If that trend had continued we'd be buying 50GHz unicore processors today, except we aren't because there are physical limitations.

Since feeling are based on chemicals rather than electricity you will have to have a computer made of super tiny chips that can translate molecules into data

Feelings are an emergent characteristic of complex information processing structures (i.e. the brain). It doesn't matter how the structure works.

General purpose quantum computer won't be a thing for quite some time. D-Wave is something akin to accelerator chip, needs conventional supercomputer to finish calculation, but speeds up solving optimization problems by big margin, making problem smaller (engrish). It doesn't give you result, but it tells you what isn't much faster than any super computer would. That is why big corporations are paying tens of millions for it. Second gen runs much cooler (1st is cooled at near absolute zero because it gets too hot, 2nd gen runs 40% cooler) and much more precise (main issue with q-computers is variability of results).

No one but D-Wave people can claim it is true q-comp because:
- it is not available to most researchers (it is very rare globally)
- most researchers don't understand how it works, it is very "black boxy"

HP put its future on next gen computing, it is do or die for them. IBM has always been the one to reveal the future, they pulled out of manufacturing of e-computers. They will be first to make this tech "available" (research labs on universities, 10-100k price point per machine).

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have "completely quantum" computers. Eventually we'll have quantum processing units like we have APUs in our processors, though, if at all possible. Nevertheless, to me it seems most of D-Wave customers are trying to do research on the computers, not to use them in real problems.

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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2015, 11:49:50 am »
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Rather than store information as 0s or 1s as conventional computers do, a quantum computer uses qubits – which can be a 1 or a 0 or both at the same time.
Yea... that's not gonna fly for most industrial/entertainment applications. Not to mention the effort put into it to get even running.

That sure is in no way a consumer friendly tech :lol:
Decades away from being relevant for masses if it ever arrives at that state.
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2015, 03:32:53 pm »
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What industry? Most people are just talking about their feelings on the matter, without actual research. There are precious few AGI specialists.

I'm talking about the artificial intelligence field, as opposed to those who focus AGI exclusively. People who work in developing things like personal assistants, robotics, artificial neural networks, etc. This is akin to what a biologist is to your general practitioner of medicine. Sure, biologists might not know how to treat syphilis, but they could tell you that the disease is caused by a bacterial infection as opposed to a consequence of annoying a god. Those that do think it's near impossible simply think it's impossible within the next couple hundred years- not that it won't happen in, say, a couple thousand years, unlike FTL travel which has more theoretical issues.

However, I don't really care. Existential risks are for other people. I'm too busy to trying to figure out where I'm going to get the money for a second car so I don't have to ride a bicycle in 101 degree weather, what I'm going to eat next year, if I have enough mileage points to visit aging family on the other side of the world, and most importantly, how to dodge archers in cRPG. If it happens in my lifetime an AI is friendly, great. If it it happens and it's not, oh well, what was I going to do about it? If it happens after my lifetime...back to the beginning. Why would I care about climate change when I'm going to die in forty years?

Dooz: if you don't question things, it's easy to come to easy, simple to understand conclusions that probably aren't right. Moore's law is not a natural law. It is an observed trend limited to a rather short period in time. Hey, at least you aren't preaching about an anthropomorphic deity drinking milk, right?

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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2015, 07:26:00 pm »
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what i question is the notion that we are somehow now at the very peak of knowledge and understanding of the universe, and that technology is as advanced as it's ever gonna be, right now. no more advances. this is it. we just happen to be lucky enough to be here. i don't buy it.

and that interview speaks to this. even if thigs stop getting smaller, who cares, that's not the point. point is more complex, advanced, different, all stuff he's mentioning there. also points out the ever expanding "wall" he thought we'd be up against already.

but nah, we're probably as good as it gets right now, progress is over.
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2015, 08:01:23 pm »
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If you weren't one of the dumbest people on these forums (a noteworthy achievement in itself), you'd realize that no one is saying that. Alas...
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2015, 11:50:21 pm »
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I'm just waiting for when VR becomes the gaming masterrace and we are all playing crpg 3.0 there and bitching about range. (Irrelevant to the current conversation though.)
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2015, 12:02:02 am »
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you don't have much longer to wait, retail vr headsets are being rolled out already i think, only gonna get better
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2015, 05:04:45 pm »
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so I don't have to ride a bicycle in 101 degree weather

It's always enjoyable to read Americans talking about temperatures and trying to picture what it would be like if they meant it in Celsius.

what i question is the notion that we are somehow now at the very peak of knowledge and understanding of the universe, and that technology is as advanced as it's ever gonna be, right now. no more advances. this is it. we just happen to be lucky enough to be here. i don't buy it.

but nah, we're probably as good as it gets right now, progress is over.

Must be fun arguing with all these dumb people who only exist in your head.

and that interview speaks to this. even if thigs stop getting smaller, who cares, that's not the point. point is more complex, advanced, different, all stuff he's mentioning there. also points out the ever expanding "wall" he thought we'd be up against already.

You really have no clue about what you're talking about, do you?

Yea... that's not gonna fly for most industrial/entertainment applications. Not to mention the effort put into it to get even running.

That sure is in no way a consumer friendly tech :lol:
Decades away from being relevant for masses if it ever arrives at that state.

This has nothing to do with quantum computing being consumer-friendly or not. Nobody thinks there will be quantum computers directly interfacing with humans. If we ever manage to build large scale, correct quantum computers the only thing that will happen is that we will casually destroy cryptography and completely revolutionize almost every aspect of numerical problem solving.

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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2015, 05:31:45 pm »
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wut?

By not ever getting a real result but instead just a few hundred possibilities on results that may be correct.
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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2015, 05:34:02 pm »
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wut?

By not ever getting a real result but instead just a few hundred possibilities on results that may be correct.
What a beautiful new world we'll have.

Please go read about quantum programming before talking.

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Re: The AI Revolution: Road to Superintelligence
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2015, 05:51:25 pm »
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I did.
Maybe you should take another peak?
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