First off, I can't believe you're trying to wipe this off on me, this is a farce.
Let me explain to you and to everyone, the way I can do best in front of everybody. This way nobody can say anything and you are forced to play your hand here, instead of speaking crap to allies and friends about one another.
You skip 40 mins of that chat? why? lets show everyone the whole thing eh?
Winterfell: you have 4 armies creeping around me
Winterfell: shouldnt be no problem is it
Winterfell: i worked hard for those troops
Winterfell: im keeping demj
Winterfell: along with the equip and goods. you can have that fief i played 2 years for you to maintain
Winterfell: you got all the fiefs
Winterfell: good job
Winterfell: .
Flans ( wolves ): so you plan on back stabbing the wolves ?
Winterfell: no
Winterfell: you plan to backstab me
Winterfell: while i have no hostilty awards wolves
Flans ( wolves ): how is that?
Winterfell: you think im stupid?
Flans ( wolves ): no i dont plan to do anything to u, ur the one taking orders from kingrimm
Winterfell: alright
Winterfell: then let me walk
Flans ( wolves ): all the things u did was under the wolves banner, u dont own those goods
Winterfell: if what you say is true
Flans ( wolves ): guika stole 3 mills from us already and went to kinn with them
Winterfell: stole?
Flans ( wolves ): u have to understand that anyone with that tag has to be looked at with suspicion
Winterfell: we were playing in wolves before you was even playing crpg mate
Flans ( wolves ): i didnt say he can give kinn 3 mills when he left did i?
Winterfell: k
Winterfell: then what did grandmom do?
Winterfell: or the bulgarians
Winterfell: or the frenchies
Flans ( wolves ): what does that matter? did i ever betray you as leader?
Flans ( wolves ): they left w/o taking anything mate
Flans ( wolves ): they left saying they were going and held nothing when they did
Winterfell: yeh right lol
Flans ( wolves ): you think i want all these fiefs?
Winterfell: yes
Flans ( wolves ): i dont want any of ui leaving
Winterfell: i want my old clan back
Winterfell: i dont know any of these guys
Winterfell: and all you guys do is speak german
Winterfell: which is the language i fucking hate
Flans ( wolves ): then join kinn and leave everything that you dont own
Flans ( wolves ): the troops are urs
Flans ( wolves ): but those goods arent
Winterfell: you can have the fief
Flans ( wolves ): gear is urs too
Winterfell: im selling in slezkh and curaw
Flans ( wolves ): u cankeep the fief
Winterfell: i dont want it
Winterfell: take it
Flans ( wolves ): the goods belong to the wolves
Flans ( wolves ): u cant have those
Flans ( wolves ): under any circumstance
Winterfell: im selling the goods
Winterfell: in slezkh and curaw
Winterfell: like planned
Flans ( wolves ): and then leaving to join kinn having backstabbed us?
Winterfell: if i wanted to backstab you i'd have 12k troops at khudan right now
Flans ( wolves ): oh?
Winterfell: so get that shit out of your head
Flans ( wolves ): u font think this much is already backstabbing
Flans ( wolves ): ?
Winterfell: no
Winterfell: this traderoute was made by kinngrim
Winterfell: i just finished it
Flans ( wolves ): with my goods, the gooods this clan worked for
Flans ( wolves ): not kingrimm
Flans ( wolves ): how is it his route if he left the game for 8 months?
Winterfell: the NA trade route
Flans ( wolves ): did he take rivacheg and get the goods?
Winterfell: is kinngrimms orginalty
Winterfell: no grandmom and doom did
Flans ( wolves ): so he deserves all the stuff for it?
Winterfell: nope
Flans ( wolves ): oh i did nothing then?
Flans ( wolves ): have i not served this clan? have i been a bad leader?
Flans ( wolves ): say it
Winterfell: you are quite reckless and made some decisions i dont agree about
Flans ( wolves ): im not trying to steal or take anything from u guys, im keeping this clan alive and u ppl just leave left right and centre
Flans ( wolves ): then why do u not speak?everyone has always had the right to
Winterfell: im telling you now
Flans ( wolves ): yea ur telling me after having left already
Winterfell: i wanted to help you guys out
Winterfell: but now
Winterfell: you got 4 armies
Flans ( wolves ): u made ur decision already
Winterfell: surrounding me
Winterfell: so much for loyalty
Winterfell: been in this clan for over 2 years
Flans ( wolves ): ofc i do, the armies are there to insure i dont get stabbed in the back like how guika did
Winterfell: to get treated this way
Winterfell: then
Winterfell: why u make some
Flans ( wolves ): no u are being loyal
Winterfell: silly lame ass excuse
Winterfell: about some shitty attack
Flans ( wolves ): to kingrimm
Flans ( wolves ): and he isnt a wolves member
Winterfell: he is the wolves leader
Flans ( wolves ): how?
Flans ( wolves ): he left for 8 months mate, he specifically said he didnt want this anymore
Flans ( wolves ): u cant come back and get back to what u had after doing that
Winterfell: true. what you can do is give us your blessing and let us be allies
Winterfell: but im keeping the troops and goods which im selling at slezkh and curaw
Winterfell: we also help you guys out with strat battles
Flans ( wolves ): there should be none of that
Flans ( wolves ): you shouldnt be letting kinggrim lead u just like that again, as if he didnt just drop u all for so long, he'l do it again, and leave u all like lost sheep again
Winterfell: maybe , maybe not. but my crpg days are coming to an end anyway. this looks fitting and honorable.
Flans ( wolves ): how is it honorable to steal from pplm uve played with for 8 months?
Winterfell: im not stealing
Flans ( wolves ): u are
Winterfell: these goods are mine
Flans ( wolves ): there's no other way to look at it
Winterfell: the traderoute is mine
Flans ( wolves ): theyre not
Flans ( wolves ): how is it urs?
Winterfell: i maintained contact with NA did i not
Flans ( wolves ): did u get the goods to do the trade?
Flans ( wolves ): the actual silver and material?
Flans ( wolves ): that is what ur stealing
Flans ( wolves ): the route is smth anyone can do
Winterfell: man, all you doing is walking on a road others paved for you. and then you get mad if the old members want to start over. me and guika are oldskool. you shouldnt take this so harshly
Winterfell: plus you have loads of goods
Flans ( wolves ): ur backstabbers not oldskool
Winterfell: that 20 k goods is not a bigdeal
Flans ( wolves ): it is
Flans ( wolves ): and iots 33k
Winterfell: owh rly
Flans ( wolves ): others paved for me eh?
Flans ( wolves ): haahahahahahaha.
Winterfell: yes
Winterfell: tell me
Flans ( wolves ): you left me to fight the mercs with only the new members to help me
Winterfell: you took like what
Winterfell: 2 castles?
Flans ( wolves ): 4 castles
Flans ( wolves ): and what i did in the initial attacks on the mercs
Flans ( wolves ): what did the oldskool do ?
Flans ( wolves ): abandon the wolves when grand took over
Flans ( wolves ): ulmarth and overlord rign a bell?
Winterfell: i like grandmom man i helped him out
Flans ( wolves ): ulmarth was meant to be leader
Flans ( wolves ): he just left
Winterfell: ulmarth left
Winterfell: well anyway. im keeping this shit whatso-ever.. it would take you guys maybe 3 days to get the same thing from na. now stop beeing such a diva about it will ya
Winterfell: we will still help you out
Winterfell: im going to be a more casual player anyway
Winterfell: got no more time to play 24/7
Flans ( wolves ): ur not gonna make it out of this area mate
Flans ( wolves ): ur walking into an area that is controlled by the Wolves
Winterfell: controlled by your new minions yes
Flans ( wolves ): im trying to conduct this civil wise
Flans ( wolves ): u dont want to
Flans ( wolves ): minions eh
Winterfell: your not conducting me
Winterfell: you giving me orders in a sneaky kind of way
Winterfell: yes an attack blabla
Winterfell: ridicioulous
Flans ( wolves ): because u intended to steal and leave
Winterfell: i been in wolves for 2 years
Flans ( wolves ): how am i supposed to react?
Winterfell: this is what i get in return
Flans ( wolves ): with liove and care?
Flans ( wolves ): ur stealing
Flans ( wolves ): no matter how long uve been here
Flans ( wolves ): that is wrong
Winterfell: im not stealing
Winterfell: or backstabbing
Winterfell: im taking what is rightfullly mine
Flans ( wolves ): ok.
Flans ( wolves ): you dont understand the meaning of clans
Flans ( wolves ): u dont own anything here
Flans ( wolves ): neither do i
Flans ( wolves ): its owned by the wolves
Winterfell: i own my troops equip and goods
Flans ( wolves ): all of us
Winterfell: if you want the 400 k and 500 troops in slezkh
Winterfell: be my guest
Flans ( wolves ): how are they urs
Winterfell: it has my name on dem
Winterfell: Fenris_Winterfell
Troops: 1624
Winterfell: see?
Flans ( wolves ): doing the dolby style eh
Flans ( wolves ): want me to go on logs and show u who handed u the gopds?
Flans ( wolves ): and the rtroops and equips
Winterfell: these troops i made myself
Winterfell: the equip
Winterfell: i bought myself
Flans ( wolves ): all 1600m ~?
Winterfell: yes
Flans ( wolves ): so i sent you in na with 100 troops and 100 horses and 35k goods ?
Winterfell: no i had 6-700 already
Winterfell: before i left
Flans ( wolves ): exactly and now u have 1k more correct?
Flans ( wolves ): and gear for that
Winterfell: yes i played alot
Winterfell: the deal is, if you want the fief. its yours. im taking the troops and equip and im leaving
Winterfell: and you are going to let me.
Flans ( wolves ): good luck with that
Flans ( wolves ): there's no where for u to run here
Winterfell: today is a good day.
Flans ( wolves ): i thought u might do this mate, thats why i had the armeis on u, u always intended to sell the goods and hand the cash to kinn
Flans ( wolves ): u wasnt online yday
Flans ( wolves ): i could have attacked then
Winterfell: fu man you where planing on backstabbing me anyway
Flans ( wolves ): i wanted u to not do this
Winterfell: if i gave you the troops
Winterfell: and goods
Winterfell: you would backstab me when i took the silver and troops out of slezkh
Flans ( wolves ): why would i attack u if u gave me that?
Winterfell: you got 4 armies around me
Winterfell: you tell me some bullshit story
Winterfell: thats betrayal
Flans ( wolves ): no, im telling u right now, u can have the village the gear and the troops all i wnt is the goods
Winterfell: not going to happen
take a look at map b4 you forum vomit kinn, as it happens you're over at Vayejeg and I'm at Slezkh, there are in fact (or were at that time) armies that don't belong to our alliance or clan. Don't lie to people to make yourself seem like a nice person. That's a terrible trait.
When i came back and asked for a few things:
A) old banner
B) Khudan with all nessary tasks included
C) being the diplomat(not even the leader of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries)
a) was categorily denied
b) i was told it would take longer ... and longer
c) i never got an answer and retracted, when i noticed that this was your job.
A) The banner was voted for and created by members of the "CFA" they wanted it, they asked for it, they voted for it, they got it.
it's a vote, there will always be a few or more who don't like it and lost the vote, that's how a democracy works in case you didn't know.
B) Khudan, You left clan b4 even getting to Khudan in the first place, I wanted you to come down to coalition land and join me in front line battle with me, next to me, you refused. saying you don't wanna be active in strat, what? ? ? ? LOL.
I ask for your steam to stay in close contact and to rebuild our friendship, You refuse, stating its not necessary ? ? ? what?
C) never refused, we were just discussing how to include that rank into the Wolves of today, you gave us no time, and you say im the one thats rushing to conclusions.
You mean Tuetensuppe right? I feel for him, You backstabbed his sorry ass back then too, difference here is that I have a lot more support in clan than he did, and I spent my time building friendships with the old CFA and the new.
None of the first members of Fenris were even helping the Wolves when the Mercs came knocking, do you know who saved us? minus the Grey order roster support after first few fights ofc,
It was Grandmom taking charge with unanimous decision, we wont see a leader as great as him here anymore.
and the Kapikulu, they saved us in a way you could never understand Kinn, since you still don't trust them now and have even gone as far as warning me about them now. NOW after all that they've done for us... you're sick...
just this alone would have been enough for me to never talk to you again.
If you had half an active brain cell left in your head, You'd have sucked it all up, and stayed. So that you'd have gotten one of these votes and be given leadership back by now, I have no problem with this, its enforced not by me, but by the will of everyone in our clan.
Leaders need to be humble by heart when it comes to their members. Yea I know this, I said as much to Winterfell myself, didn't he show you ALL that we spoke about? or did he cut and paste it for you as you sent it below?
We handed over Curaw, which we could have kept, we handed over Slezhk Castle which we could have keptwhat? was that your land to talk about it like this? those factions you speak of, either don't exist anymore or are inactive or have been absorbed by other clans.
wait what? you're gonna play strat now? didn't you repeatedly tell me you wasn't interested? maybe that's the reason why I gave you no major responsibilities?
Did I ask you or rather did you tell anyone before engaging in conflict with the Ottomans way back? did you tell the members anything?
You only gave orders and did everything yourself and look where that got you.
I ask for what belongs to The Wolves, not what belongs to you and yours, this doesn't even include the 3 mills Guika took with gear other day, he refuses. What would you have me do? ask you? talk to you about it? why should I? it is material that belongs to this clan, if one of your ppl gets unruly with my clans stuff, he is gonna get taken care of. If you look at the log i posted you'l see what I offered him to stay in good wills, then you will see his categorical refusal of any sort of deal.
I did I tried to initiate contact when you first came back, you dismissed me completely, in fact you were sending messages to ALL old wolves members minus me, also, you recruited out of this clan, something you said you would not do, want proof? talk to Diego. Why even lie? that's just low.
You found a way for me to keep it eh? why not just speak up and ASK for what you wanted, you didn't even want to do that, You came in with demands and expected things to just roll over for you. I am not Tuetensuppe, I will not roll over for you, You are no longer wanted in this clan you disgraced yourself with your conduct, and your back stabbing way of behaving.
ah ah Haboe... how right you were. Well its not like I didn't know about it already, I just chose to believe that you were a nice person who wanted the best for us or atleast this clan.
You can forget about any claims in the Northlands in this strat or the next, You will never own any land up here if I can help it.
Why not ask Grand what I told him when you showed up here again, You will be surprised.
In case you cba or just are too grand minded to want to do it, I told grand if you asked for leadership from me or any members in the clan you would have had a 99.9% chance of getting it back with my blessing, thats how high in esteem I held you.
I will close this here, You have said your piece and I have said mine, there will be no peace with you or yours any more from here on out, you have finally shown your true colours.
EDIT > >> > eeh nvm I know u all wanna talk here... so lay it at me and him and w/e lets hear all your thoughts CRPGers.
