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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2625 on: June 20, 2016, 10:59:24 pm »
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I'm wondering more why Ramsay didn't just gather his remaining men and armed them all with bows/crossbows and position them in front of the gate to rain down fire on every fucker who came through there.

Because every character on GoT has plot armor until it's their time to die, at which point they break character and do stupid things.

Yup another of my gripes that giant could have bloody well just run through them all and there's bugger all they could have done. That pike/shield wall was so think it would have been simple.

But no Wun Wun is the gentle giant.

Wun Wun would have been  hella OP if he only remembered to BRING A FUCKING WEAPON. How hard would it be for him to grab a nearby tree and use it as a club? He did just fine at Hardholme. Shit, if for some reason he couldn't get a tree at least grab a horse's corpse and flail it around... it was pitiful how dumb they made him seem when he tried to grab at the pikemen, who obviously had pikes to perfectly counter him.
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2626 on: June 20, 2016, 11:16:57 pm »
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2627 on: June 20, 2016, 11:55:42 pm »
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The entire battle just was not written in a way that makes sense. Its like the writers can only come up with one move or stratagem at a time, while not being able to simultaneously think of a way for the other side to react in a sensible or logical way, or keep track of what other types of troops could be doing that are not part of the stratagem. Now its archers firing, now the cavalry charges, now its surround with infantry time, now Jon's army does nothing. Its just a string of gimmicks that leaves dozens of gaps in which you can wonder "why X did not use Y" or "what happened to troop type Z" during pretty much any battle shot. And then they brag about how their gimmicks were inspired by historical battles, lol. Also, the lack of reserves, a chain of command and scouts makes everything seem even more silly.

Perhaps I am just too much of a military history nerd and nobody else is bothered by this, but I recall that battles in the books did not come across as if the military tradition of Westeros was left at 3.000 BC. Ah well, at least most of the episode looked really good. It seems like a lot of budget went into two big battles and they felt reasonably large. The horse charge scene with Jon fighting among it looked was deliciously brutal. The Vale horse charge was pretty cool too.

Can anyone remind me why Littlefinger decided to take the Vale north to wreck the Boltons again, I can't recall anything that makes sense? I am not sure how the North situation will be resolved now, since Littlefinger is a greedy bitch and he is the only one left with an army up there. Also, Dany went from being a hobo lost somewhere in the boonies to being all geared up for a Westeros invasion in like three episodes, pretty stupid.

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2628 on: June 21, 2016, 12:25:04 am »
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A more in depth look at the design behind the battle.

They really took the bodies making a barrier thing a little too literally. Sure a wall of bodies a couple high would be quite possible. But those were proper neatly stacked hills of bodies. Piled up like they had time to clear up and make a stack. Not to mention that they took that from the civil war era. Medieval battles, bar a few in particular that I can think of had relatively low numbers of serious casualties. Most of the battles that had significant numbers were in routs where an army was given no quarter when they fled or straight up slaughters.

Can anyone remind me why Littlefinger decided to take the Vale north to wreck the Boltons again, I can't recall anything that makes sense? I am not sure how the North situation will be resolved now, since Littlefinger is a greedy bitch and he is the only one left with an army up there. Also, Dany went from being a hobo lost somewhere in the boonies to being all geared up for a Westeros invasion in like three episodes, pretty stupid.

Littlefinger is actually one of the few things that does make sense. He's saved Jon Snow, who isn't a Stark so ultimately isn't a threat. The only Stark left that anyone knows of is Sansa, who is now a widow. Littlefinger is hungry for land and power, he will literally do anything to get it. Whether it be betrayal, changing sides ect ect. He's arguably the best at the political game in the show. If he can pretty much force Sansa into marriage through obligation he'll be one of the most powerful men in Westeros to back it up. Seeing as the name is the one thing Littlefinger lacks besides wealth, and now an army, by marrying a Stark he gets as close as he can get to a noble lineage.

I think there's even a bit in the show a few seasons back where he talks about the fact no one takes him seriously because he's not from a 'great' family and he's spiteful because of it. Increasing his wealth and power so he can challenge the status quo is pretty much what he's all about, with a little bit of pure greed thrown in.

That would take his tally of control up to the North, Harrenhall (forgotten if he still technically controls that in the show) and the Vale. Which is pretty nuts.

Not to mention the entire sequence of events that leads Ned Stark into Kings Landing was started by Littlefinger. He's pretty much the reason everything got so fucked up in the first place. He sows chaos because he's smart enough to manoeuvre himself to come out on top in it all.

I'm kind of wondering how they will deal with him. He's the snake in the grass and most of the characters, especially the Stark's, have been too naive to see it until it was too late. At some point they are going to have to drag him down.
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2629 on: June 21, 2016, 01:25:27 am »
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Clearly Rikkon has never played Warband.....or doesn't have a working brain.

Maybe put a little zig or a zag in that straight line dash down the field.

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2630 on: June 21, 2016, 01:31:00 am »
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When I saw him running this was the only thing in my mind. Y u no zig zag?!



Also this is basically CRPG 2-3 years ago when Great Khans were everywhere and u as 2h'er were left alone against incoming cav. Jon Snow was about to lolstab them all

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2631 on: June 21, 2016, 01:32:42 am »
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Also, HOW FUCKING OLD HAS HE GOTTEN? Isn't he supposed to be like five/six and Bran something like nine?

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2632 on: June 21, 2016, 01:54:57 am »
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Also this is basically CRPG 2-3 years ago when Great Khans were everywhere and u as 2h'er were left alone against incoming cav. Jon Snow was about to lolstab them all
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Rickon in the books was only like 3 when it all started. But we gave up on ages from season 1 considering Danerys was 14 and Arya 8. I think Rob, Jon and Theon were only about 18.

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2633 on: June 21, 2016, 02:07:59 am »
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Can they atleast fucking try

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2634 on: June 21, 2016, 03:35:53 am »
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Clearly Rikkon has never played Warband.....or doesn't have a working brain.

Maybe put a little zig or a zag in that straight line dash down the field.

oh wait wrong show sry

so while we are at it
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2635 on: June 21, 2016, 08:01:00 am »
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im still hoping for the cringy womenpower to end:
after all we had a short tinder of insanity in daenarys when she wanted to burn all the cities to the ground.
and the dude that gave sansa to a sadistic rapist just saved the north.
maybe some interesting shit is yet to come.

all in all loved the battle too tho,  aaaah cav.  QQ where'd my crpg go
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2636 on: June 21, 2016, 10:53:48 am »
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2637 on: June 21, 2016, 11:33:22 am »
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2638 on: June 21, 2016, 12:21:55 pm »
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What a shitty door for the king of the North fortress.

no portcullis, no moat, even the blackfish little castle had all of this

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #2639 on: June 21, 2016, 12:23:36 pm »
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You really had to turn your brain off when it came to a lot of things that episode (battle tactics, corpse piles, Jon surviving, Daenerys dragons, etc), but as pure entertainment it was good.
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