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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Blueberry Muffin on February 25, 2018, 11:50:09 pm

Title: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on February 25, 2018, 11:50:09 pm
I've noticed the server populations have dropped rapidly over the last week or so.

This is probably due, in part, to the recent release of Kingdom Come and perhaps also due to the issues we were having with banner balance at the time. (Not that I am ungrateful for the efforts made to fix it, I just think that the format we had was unfortunately as good as it gets.)

I know that the devs are working to improve the mod, but I was thinking about how we as a community could do something.

Therefore I propose we all vote and agree on one evening per week that everyone will agree to try and be online. Say from 5pm GMT onwards. Hopefully this way, we can get some big battles going again and provoke more interest in the mod. If we could get 120 people at one time that would be awesome.

I will leave this poll running until next Sunday (4th) to give everyone a chance to see it and vote. If enough people are interested, I'll post another thread announcing the event for whichever day is chosen the following week.

Muffin
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Jarl_Onurb on February 26, 2018, 12:20:58 am
u forgot the option 24/7
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Yeldur on February 26, 2018, 12:53:05 am
server is dead mostly because of KCD and the shitty balance. Here's how it goes currently:

30-40 player server gets filled with ranged, slowly (but surely) everyone GTXs because ranged currently are too strong as they have too many numbers.
Server dies down to a decent 10-20 players, some ranged gets involved and ruins the fun so everyone just leaves.

Want EU1 to be alive? Stop playing ranged classes. I played on NA1 for a bit and had so much fucking fun there, there was a grand total of like maybe 1 thrower there in about 20 people, I had a hoot of a time. I'm starting to wait until NA gets active before I start playing properly now, as whenever I play EU1 I end up just GTXting due to ranged just instagibbing me at the start of the round.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Leesin on February 26, 2018, 07:08:34 am
server is dead mostly because of KCD and the shitty balance. Here's how it goes currently:

30-40 player server gets filled with ranged, slowly (but surely) everyone GTXs because ranged currently are too strong as they have too many numbers.
Server dies down to a decent 10-20 players, some ranged gets involved and ruins the fun so everyone just leaves.

Want EU1 to be alive? Stop playing ranged classes. I played on NA1 for a bit and had so much fucking fun there, there was a grand total of like maybe 1 thrower there in about 20 people, I had a hoot of a time. I'm starting to wait until NA gets active before I start playing properly now, as whenever I play EU1 I end up just GTXting due to ranged just instagibbing me at the start of the round.

I respecced away from HA and all that happens is the amount of ranged on the server makes me want to respec back to HA so I can shoot them back lol.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 26, 2018, 09:15:49 am
server is dead mostly because of KCD and the shitty balance. Here's how it goes currently:

30-40 player server gets filled with ranged, slowly (but surely) everyone GTXs because ranged currently are too strong as they have too many numbers.
Server dies down to a decent 10-20 players, some ranged gets involved and ruins the fun so everyone just leaves.

Want EU1 to be alive? Stop playing ranged classes. I played on NA1 for a bit and had so much fucking fun there, there was a grand total of like maybe 1 thrower there in about 20 people, I had a hoot of a time. I'm starting to wait until NA gets active before I start playing properly now, as whenever I play EU1 I end up just GTXting due to ranged just instagibbing me at the start of the round.


Joined EU1 Saturday morning, 10 players - 5 of them were ranged. Fuck that, as soon as I saw that I closed the game and opened PUBG.

You know, Ive came to realise that there is no difference between PUBG and C-RPG, both of them are shooting games.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: illogical on February 26, 2018, 09:23:58 am
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Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 26, 2018, 09:53:28 am
I made my stf char an archer thrower hybrid if that helps
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Rando on February 26, 2018, 10:00:49 am
server is dead mostly because of KCD and the shitty balance. Here's how it goes currently:

30-40 player server gets filled with ranged, slowly (but surely) everyone GTXs because ranged currently are too strong as they have too many numbers.
Server dies down to a decent 10-20 players, some ranged gets involved and ruins the fun so everyone just leaves.

Want EU1 to be alive? Stop playing ranged classes. I played on NA1 for a bit and had so much fucking fun there, there was a grand total of like maybe 1 thrower there in about 20 people, I had a hoot of a time. I'm starting to wait until NA gets active before I start playing properly now, as whenever I play EU1 I end up just GTXting due to ranged just instagibbing me at the start of the round.

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Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
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Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 11:33:36 am
People will always find a reason to complain, and probably quit. Right now its ranged, ok well lets get a melee server. Remove pikes. Remove shields. People want to play the game but they dont want to play the game. A terrible mindset was nurtured forth and now people cant stand even the immensely nerfed ranged we have. I dont think it could ever live with this.

But having a one day per week revival at first didnt seem like a good idea, but i may be wrong. It could turn a dead turd into something thats at least alive once a week, "Oh its cRPG day". Im not sure but i think its common for other old dead games to have a peak day to emulate better times, it might simply not be possible to keep a game alive for so long unless you create a highly competitive environment, or if its just a ton of casual fun.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 26, 2018, 11:39:16 am
i have noticed that Friday evening usually has a good population
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 26, 2018, 11:42:49 am
People will always find a reason to complain, and probably quit. Right now its ranged, ok well lets get a melee server. Remove pikes. Remove shields. People want to play the game but they dont want to play the game. A terrible mindset was nurtured forth and now people cant stand even the immensely nerfed ranged we have. I dont think it could ever live with this.

But having a one day per week revival at first didnt seem like a good idea, but i may be wrong. It could turn a dead turd into something thats at least alive once a week, "Oh its cRPG day". Im not sure but i think its common for other old dead games to have a peak day to emulate better times, it might simply not be possible to keep a game alive for so long unless you create a highly competitive environment, or if its just a ton of casual fun.

shut the fuck up, youre trash.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 11:47:18 am
shut the fuck up, youre trash.

^ this exactly. Nice tournaments you hosted for a game you basically killed with your disease of a mentality.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 26, 2018, 12:01:18 pm
I killed an entire mod?

wow, had I known I had such an influence over that many people, Id run for president.


Dont be mad gravoth, I only bash you and your clan stacking no skilled clan members.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 12:10:29 pm
I killed an entire mod?

wow, had I known I had such an influence over that many people, Id run for president.


Dont be mad gravoth, I only bash you and your clan stacking no skilled clan members.

Yeah you alone literally killed it  :cry:

To be fair youve hated on clanstacking, teamplay, competitive weaponry etc. And youve worked hard to build one of the worst personalities in the game, which is impressive in its own right i suppose, but healthy? nah. We (byz) usually funnel our hate into Kenda on teamspeak, but whenever someone ventures to the forums we all somehow fight our urge to hate on Kenda and instead it gets aimed at how retarded most of your posts are.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 26, 2018, 12:22:55 pm
Yeah you alone literally killed it  :cry:

To be fair youve hated on clanstacking, teamplay, competitive weaponry etc. And youve worked hard to build one of the worst personalities in the game, which is impressive in its own right i suppose, but healthy? nah. We (byz) usually funnel our hate into Kenda on teamspeak, but whenever someone ventures to the forums we all somehow fight our urge to hate on Kenda and instead it gets aimed at how retarded most of your posts are.

What you and Mercs did, literally forced players on EU1 to either join your clan stack, or be forced to play forever on X1.

You mass recruited anyone who had some skill to your clan, you merged with a clan that had very very good players (even more clan stacking for you and your spastic clan). You speak about teamplay, while all you did was only clanstacking.

Competitive weapons? Oh, you mean pikes & spears that you and most of your clanmates use? The ones that can abuse by stabhugging people and do 360 turns? Yeah, really competitive.

I consider my personality to be really fair actually, I am on really good terms with people who I consider to be good people, and I hate on spastics like you, corsair, xesta, RIP, leshma, etc etc etc etc. Hell, Im almost on discord helping new players with tips and stuff, where the fuck are you?


Cut your holier than thou attitude with me, and get destroyed.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Leshma on February 26, 2018, 12:55:40 pm
Shogunate were the cool clan, probably the nicest big clan back in the days when you've had 22nd (twats) and Mercs (cunts). But then they merged with admin clan and things went downhill for them. Not sure why are you complaining today when they have little to no influence, just like everybody else from EU.

Mercs take the blame for banner stacking because they pushed hard for clan banner and clan registration mechanics, but devs implemented it aka The Admin Clan who later became Nordmen. Whenever in doubt, blame cmp.

Edit: Before certain someone start claiming how point of banner balance is to have fun with friends and it's not about winning, let me tell you how they complained when it was possible to pick their banner and start winning rounds. OP complained a lot about it if I recall right and I tend to have pretty good memory when it comes to completely irrelevant information.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 01:01:13 pm
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Ah a treasure trove, indeed. Of course you consider your own personality fair, but most peoples idea of "fair" doesnt include someone who has to buy multiple keys to avoid bans.

I dont think new players is the issue, i think keeping our old players is the issue. If we do not have a core playerbase why would new players want to join? People like playing with their clans and friends, people like using niche weapon types, people like being able to do crazy duelling shit, people like to play ranged. When you slowly cut down on all these things you are cutting down on the core playerbase that found their style in the game.
Where did everyone go? Indeed.

edit: When the mod was in the early states of fruition, Shogunate taught many new players at the time most whom stuck with the clan. We didnt wait untill it was dead.

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The nords barely played crpg as much as we did. Our merge reasons were more based on that we just were on good terms with them as people, and we to this day play almost everything outside of crpg with them. Building a community if you will.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Leshma on February 26, 2018, 01:13:23 pm
Nords were The Admin Clan (can't remember the name, had fish for banner), SeaRiders (Serfonz, Tor and their crew) and you guys later joined them. You probably mean SeaRiders because admins were pretty inactive even back then.

cmp was Merc, Paul was 22nd. They were influential devs who weren't in admin clan. When cmp became dev most big changes happened, many of them stayed to this day. I think he implemented the most mechanics we have now, other devs merely tweaked stuff.

Panos is right about banner stack, it drove people away but some sticked to the game. I do remember thousands of new people trying cRPG on monthly basis with over 3000 active players or so. Many of those newbies were crushed in the name of banner balance and clan satisfaction. I don't think clans would fall apart if banner balance was never implemented, Mercs did complain but still regularly played the mod. Not implementing banner balance or clans in general could lead to bigger and healthier population. Game would be more casual in nature and a lot of toxicity would be avoided.

In the end this mod never reached any serious competitive status, all the tournaments were completely unofficial and had no meaning for the bigger Warband community and especially gaming in general. Devs sacrificed bigger player base in order to fulfill wishes of very few which was a mistake imho.

Edit: Fixed.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Elmetiacos on February 26, 2018, 01:13:50 pm
Before certain someone start claiming how point of banner balance is to have fun with friends and it's not about winning, let me tell you how they complained when it was possible to pick their banner and start winning rounds. OP complained a lot about it if I recall right and I tend to have pretty good memory when it comes to completely irrelevant information.
Yes, they did: I think the mercs banner back then was the red and white one with 3 swords which I use for Hot Chick with a Sword.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gurnisson on February 26, 2018, 01:19:50 pm
Nords were The Admin Clan (can't remember the name, had fish for banner), SeaRiders (Serfonz, Tor and their crew) and you guys later joined them. You probably mean SeaRiders because admins were pretty inactive even back then.

irc:// was a clan at one point, containing okiN, Shik, Varric, chadz and other admins. Most of them went to Varangian (VRN), including cmp from Mercs, which later merged with SeaRaiders to Nordmen
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 01:22:02 pm
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Bannerstacking is inarguably to win, but thats just the reward for the effort a clan puts out to reach it. I honestly dont think crpg wouldve lasted half as long without clans, and especially without strat (i hate strat but i do think it has its merits). It wouldve just been chaos, and people like to seek some order. I did say back in the days the devs should host more tournaments and give out prizes, award good play make people seek something competitively. We did have some incredibly good tournaments. They were just so few and far in between. Just look at esports today, people love watching good teams compete, i cant tell you how many times its made me want to play again, watching some extremely practiced players play at their peak in whatever games they play.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Dalhi on February 26, 2018, 01:28:57 pm
120 people on native siege server sure hate chaos.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 01:35:56 pm
120 people on native siege server sure hate chaos.

Well i was thinking of that, but then again we are comparing a mod that takes effort to install and learn over the games direct multiplayer component that takes no effort and is very very lenient to new players in all gameplay aspects. I guess i shouldve said you either go full chaos with respawns or you set for a competitive structured game, my b.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Dalhi on February 26, 2018, 01:44:23 pm
Warband is too glitchy to be ever considered as competetive, especially cRPG. Correct me if I'm mistaken, back when mod had active community siege was more populated than battle, same applies to Native.
This might change with Bannerlord, but it's highly doubtfull.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 26, 2018, 02:04:34 pm
Warband is too glitchy to be ever considered as competetive, especially cRPG. Correct me if I'm mistaken, back when mod had active community siege was more populated than battle, same applies to Native.
This might change with Bannerlord, but it's highly doubtfull.

Actually i think battle was always the key player in crpg. Siege stood its ground for a long time, but as the playerbase dwindled it took the blunt hit and disappeared. I used to be a hardcore siege player at the start, which helped learning basics. I think this may be needed, casualize cRPG 2018.

Warband is a tad glitchy, but for duels in native its quite good. In battle i feel as if crpg is more glitchy, which could easily be because of drastically different movespeeds compared to native. Crossing my nuts for a more refined experience in bannerlord, even though im guessing it simply wont hold up.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
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Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: darmaster on February 26, 2018, 03:03:17 pm
People will always find a reason to complain, and probably quit. Right now its ranged, ok well lets get a melee server. Remove pikes. Remove shields. People want to play the game but they dont want to play the game. A terrible mindset was nurtured forth and now people cant stand even the immensely nerfed ranged we have. I dont think it could ever live with this.

But having a one day per week revival at first didnt seem like a good idea, but i may be wrong. It could turn a dead turd into something thats at least alive once a week, "Oh its cRPG day". Im not sure but i think its common for other old dead games to have a peak day to emulate better times, it might simply not be possible to keep a game alive for so long unless you create a highly competitive environment, or if its just a ton of casual fun.

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Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Leshma on February 26, 2018, 08:05:35 pm
I honestly dont think crpg wouldve lasted half as long without clans, and especially without strat (i hate strat but i do think it has its merits).

Fully agree about Strat. Dead Strategus means dead mod most of the time. However I disagree about clans on public free for all game modes. Could be that clans on battle provided longetivity but believe that rare mix of good and fun gameplay  mechanics (Warband base) and the worst kind of psychological entrapment chadz devised to keep us playing (cRPG item and leveling system) are the reason for strong response from gaming community towards cRPG and reason why it is still alive seven years after first release.

Clans never grew naturally with community, in fact clans cannibalized community. At first clans cannibalized freelancers, lone wolves, players who didn't belong to an organized team aka clan. Clans fed on them, mostly discarding those unwilling to go through the hoops (some people take pride in difficulty of an online gaming, from this perspective I find that laughable) and integrating those who passed the trial by fire. That way influence of clan grew while random players lost any influence over battle outcome. In second phase when new players stopped coming in waves, big clans cannibalized smaller clans to the point where only huge inflated clan were left, completely losing identity in the process because they integrated half a server. After a while huge clans became bored because there was no competition cuz they started avoiding each other, because if they played each other it was shorter end of the stick for one of the huge clans.

Mercs and to certain extent you guys were super weak clans devoid of any higher purpose because you bullied randomers on free for all servers while mostly ignoring truly competitive interclan tournament aka Strategus. Its like being adult and fighting preschoolers while other adults fight each other in competitions meant for professional adult fighters.

True winners of cRPG, despite all the underhanded tactics and cheating are eastern Europeans, because they dominated year after year only meaningful competition this mod has to offer, Strategus. Eastern Europeans being Druzhina and Grey Order, of course.

Mercs will be remembered as a clan pretending to be only for elite fighters, but in the end they turned into worst mix of random elements and weakest huge clan during second phase of community cannibalization process. Which shouldn't be of surprise when you take a good look at founders of Mercs, only Gnjus out of them can pass 'not being completely retarded' test. Other prominent members including the likes of Siiem, Xant, Blackbow and Bjord.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Rando on February 26, 2018, 08:07:51 pm
Let me tell you something - the admins are on it, enacting their star plan to enforce the "ZERO TOLERANCE ANTI-RACISM" rule with bans. Soon we'll have a squeaky clean server bustling with activity just like good ol' GK_TDM!
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 26, 2018, 08:11:49 pm
so basically Lesham you QQ because everyone doesn't play like yyou, solo with no friends! Because as everyone knows any and all fighting is done alone and not in any organised manner.

Mercs are super weak because they don't only play stategus these days and leave battle servers to the real heroes.


I must go to native and explain to them that they must stop! What they have been doing for years playing together on the same teams in battle servers is killing native! hmm wait no thats not right IG BG seems to be doing just fine  :shock: i wonder then if some people in crpg only play because they want that precious xp and not because its fun and so whine if they dont win every round  :idea:
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Asheram on February 26, 2018, 08:48:43 pm
Let me tell you something - the admins are on it, enacting their star plan to enforce the "ZERO TOLERANCE ANTI-RACISM" rule with bans. Soon we'll have a squeaky clean server bustling with activity just like good ol' GK_TDM!
IKR Gktdm gets from 40-70 people on almost every night. And they have been getting some pretty cool new maps too.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Razzer on February 26, 2018, 09:34:09 pm
Fully agree about Strat. Dead Strategus means dead mod most of the time. However I disagree about clans on public free for all game modes. Could be that clans on battle provided longetivity but believe that rare mix of good and fun gameplay  mechanics (Warband base) and the worst kind of psychological entrapment chadz devised to keep us playing (cRPG item and leveling system) are the reason for strong response from gaming community towards cRPG and reason why it is still alive seven years after first release.

Clans never grew naturally with community, in fact clans cannibalized community. At first clans cannibalized freelancers, lone wolves, players who didn't belong to an organized team aka clan. Clans fed on them, mostly discarding those unwilling to go through the hoops (some people take pride in difficulty of an online gaming, from this perspective I find that laughable) and integrating those who passed the trial by fire. That way influence of clan grew while random players lost any influence over battle outcome. In second phase when new players stopped coming in waves, big clans cannibalized smaller clans to the point where only huge inflated clan were left, completely losing identity in the process because they integrated half a server. After a while huge clans became bored because there was no competition cuz they started avoiding each other, because if they played each other it was shorter end of the stick for one of the huge clans.

Mercs and to certain extent you guys were super weak clans devoid of any higher purpose because you bullied randomers on free for all servers while mostly ignoring truly competitive interclan tournament aka Strategus. Its like being adult and fighting preschoolers while other adults fight each other in competitions meant for professional adult fighters.

True winners of cRPG, despite all the underhanded tactics and cheating are eastern Europeans, because they dominated year after year only meaningful competition this mod has to offer, Strategus. Eastern Europeans being Druzhina and Grey Order, of course.

Mercs will be remembered as a clan pretending to be only for elite fighters, but in the end they turned into worst mix of random elements and weakest huge clan during second phase of community cannibalization process. Which shouldn't be of surprise when you take a good look at founders of Mercs, only Gnjus out of them can pass 'not being completely retarded' test. Other prominent members including the likes of Siiem, Xant, Blackbow and Bjord.
God Leshma has spoken. Let this be a lesson to all of you Mercs out there.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 26, 2018, 10:13:43 pm
but if i am super weak at crpg and not recruited in native how will my fragile ego cope :( bashing on mentally deficient beings is all i can do now  :oops:
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Leshma on February 26, 2018, 10:31:35 pm
so basically Lesham you QQ because everyone doesn't play like yyou, solo with no friends! Because as everyone knows any and all fighting is done alone and not in any organised manner.

Mercs are super weak because they don't only play stategus these days and leave battle servers to the real heroes.


I must go to native and explain to them that they must stop! What they have been doing for years playing together on the same teams in battle servers is killing native! hmm wait no thats not right IG BG seems to be doing just fine  :shock: i wonder then if some people in crpg only play because they want that precious xp and not because its fun and so whine if they dont win every round  :idea:

IG BG is like 30 players server, isn't it? That's for those who prefer EU4 gameplay. Compared to that, free for all no silly clan stacking noob infested siege often has/had 220 player population, like Pecores server used to have before multiplier patch.

Most players prefer to play like me, no strings attached. But this mod forced 90% of them to create clans at first, then to integrate into super clans. You've sacrified casuals who are the meat of every online games population in order to feed interests of the few and now just like before are crying over loss of population. It is funny that exact same people who always talk in favor of esports aspect, competitive gaming are the ones who were the most active when server population was more casual and not dominated by try hards. I do remember Vibe always being in favor of competitive so called pro level of competition yet I also do remember him being the most active in earlier phases of cRPG development, when it wasn't about x5, clan stacks and rest of that.

cRPG is fun in same way injecting heroin is fun. But it wasn't always heroin, used to be like weed at first. Certain people helped to shape it into heoin, interestingly same are abusers of hard substances irl.

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God Leshma has spoken. Let this be a lesson to all of you Mercs out there.

Weren't you permabanned for cheating?
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on February 26, 2018, 10:52:46 pm
Yes well all of these arguments about ancient history are all very interesting but not really what I was hoping people would focus on.

46 votes so far. Saturday night being the front runner.

If it is successful and we manage to draw a decent crowd each week, I was thinking of organising a few theme nights, if anyone has any suggestions?
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Asheram on February 26, 2018, 10:57:55 pm
So if Saturday wins does that mean we can't play on the other days?

We should have a remember our fallen brothers night where we all make chars that look like assington and sugarbiggums.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Kadeth on February 26, 2018, 11:09:18 pm
Let me tell you something - the admins are on it, enacting their star plan to enforce the "ZERO TOLERANCE ANTI-RACISM" rule with bans.

Fear not! Rumour has it, there's still one racist admin amongst them, fighting the good fight...
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Tindel on February 26, 2018, 11:10:31 pm
server is dead mostly because of KCD and the shitty balance. Here's how it goes currently:

30-40 player server gets filled with ranged, slowly (but surely) everyone GTXs because ranged currently are too strong as they have too many numbers.
Server dies down to a decent 10-20 players, some ranged gets involved and ruins the fun so everyone just leaves.

Want EU1 to be alive? Stop playing ranged classes. I played on NA1 for a bit and had so much fucking fun there, there was a grand total of like maybe 1 thrower there in about 20 people, I had a hoot of a time. I'm starting to wait until NA gets active before I start playing properly now, as whenever I play EU1 I end up just GTXting due to ranged just instagibbing me at the start of the round.

This man speaks the truth


Oh and i try to play every evening, usually late though.


Btw strat is really fucking boring and always has been. This mod would have been glorious without it.
The reason being, it always kills the population on the normal servers, and its very excluding towards new players or players who cant fucking plan their life around a game.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Xesta on February 26, 2018, 11:54:15 pm
Server is dead because we only have shitty badmins in this dead mod tbh who don't even play it themselves and just ban people for reporting people who kill the mod even more, gg.


Oh yeah, and I forgot you're not allowed to say any boohoo bad words any more or you're getting banned for that as well, what a joke seriously.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Asheram on February 27, 2018, 12:00:02 am


Oh yeah, and I forgot you're not allowed to say any boohoo bad words any more or you're getting banned for that as well, what a joke seriously.
when is all this banning going on? Was on a week or 2 ago and an ex admin was calling people the n word w/o even getting muted by the admins that were on let alone banned.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Xesta on February 27, 2018, 12:04:12 am
I got banned for saying bad words against veselov when he called me a son of a bitch in russian etc because that's the only thing he's capable of but that useless admin (why the f is he even still admin. he's not even playing the game lmao) cherrypicked my insults when I got tk'd 24/7 by that veselov guy. Find it just kinda funny that he banned me for that sole reason tbh, that's all really.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 27, 2018, 12:20:09 am
IG BG is like 30 players server, isn't it? That's for those who prefer EU4 gameplay. Compared to that, free for all no silly clan stacking noob infested siege often has/had 220 player population, like Pecores server used to have before multiplier patch.

Most players prefer to play like me, no strings attached. But this mod forced 90% of them to create clans at first, then to integrate into super clans. You've sacrified casuals who are the meat of every online games population in order to feed interests of the few and now just like before are crying over loss of population. It is funny that exact same people who always talk in favor of esports aspect, competitive gaming are the ones who were the most active when server population was more casual and not dominated by try hards. I do remember Vibe always being in favor of competitive so called pro level of competition yet I also do remember him being the most active in earlier phases of cRPG development, when it wasn't about x5, clan stacks and rest of that.

cRPG is fun in same way injecting heroin is fun. But it wasn't always heroin, used to be like weed at first. Certain people helped to shape it into heoin, interestingly same are abusers of hard substances irl.

Weren't you permabanned for cheating?


IGBG is 50 player serve fyi

Please explain to me how a clan playing as a group is stopping you and other casuals from playing? The mod started out by forcing players into mass blobs and now you can be as far away as you want and get exp, I don't exactly understand your problem, do you only want to play a series of solo fights on a battlefield with no teamwork? is that what you want from crpg? Hell even most clans don't really play as a coordinated group that often

crpg and its grindey nature by definition excluded casual play. crpg caters the mmo/rpg crowd and not the casual players with its exp and levelling system and heirlooms giving you incentives to play. The rest of your post is just pointless and waffle, Players who called for competitive play were most active when crpg had casual players?? wtf does that even mean? how does that in any way have an effect?
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Casul on February 27, 2018, 12:51:08 am
I got banned for saying bad words against veselov when he called me a son of a bitch in russian etc because that's the only thing he's capable of but that useless admin (why the f is he even still admin. he's not even playing the game lmao) cherrypicked my insults when I got tk'd 24/7 by that veselov guy. Find it just kinda funny that he banned me for that sole reason tbh, that's all really.

XyNox is playing every day, not only DTV but also Eu1.

Also the logs have clearly showed that you have teamhit him, and nudging a xbow is no better. What we dont like is reports from players who are concealing important facts that might have explained someones actions. It would have been much different if you would have admitted that you had multiple clashes before and that you didnt act right yourself. But you made it a secret in hope youre getting away with it and veselov being the only offender.

I dont know if previous admins didnt look into reports enough or if its the new 2018 lit meme to try to get someone banned while having done bannable offenses yourself.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Xesta on February 27, 2018, 01:19:24 am
If you paid attention to the logs you would've seen that I started nudging him AFTER the accidents and not BEFORE. Seems like you don't care doing job correctly tho, akbar also didn't get punished for shooting me 2 times with his xbow on the same thread while I didn't even hit him or nudged him or anything, so yeah helps the cause in keeping the mod alive while pricks like them get away with it, good job.
XyNox is playing every day, not only DTV but also Eu1.

Also, wtf? I've never seen him play since the last few months if not years on Eu1.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: XyNox on February 27, 2018, 01:19:56 am
Let me refresh your memory Xesta  8-)

Quote
[16:29:02] msg,SB_Veselov reported Xestaboo for teamwounding. Penalty: [1/5]
[17:39:15] msg,SB_Veselov reported Xestaboo for teamwounding. Penalty: [1/5]
[17:50:55] msg,SB_Veselov reported Xestaboo for teamwounding. Penalty: [1/5]
[18:07:04] msg,SB_Veselov reported Xestaboo for teamwounding. Penalty: [1/5]

As you can see, your ban was not due to some "bad words" but rather whats stated above + behaving like a complete social outcast in chat.

You can man up now and acknowledge that this is not how a halfway mature human being should act or you can always go full emo mode of course and drown yourself in self-pity.

E:

Seems like you don't care doing job correctly tho, akbar also didn't get punished for shooting me 2 times with his xbow on the same thread while I didn't even hit him or nudged him or anything,

Was already updated
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Xesta on February 27, 2018, 01:20:52 am
Yeah, read my reply.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Xesta on February 27, 2018, 01:26:21 am
I nudged him at 16:29 once and never did I before on purpose and nor did I before but not like it matters to me if you believe it or not actually. I'm not known as a teamwounder and it never was my intention to do that. I tried to jump the v key is right next to my spacebar key if you didn't know that. I nudged him cus he stood right next to the wall where I tried to jump and he blocked my path that's all. After  that he gone full berserk and tried to teamkill me. AFTER THAT At 16:30 I started to insult him for that, simple as that. Do not see anything problematic there. Of course I nudged him after that accident a few more times for the lulz while he always aimed at me and tried to shoot me as well but didn't hit me cus I dodged the bolts, but OKAAAAAAY.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Corsair831 on February 27, 2018, 02:01:50 am
How does every single thread morph into typical 2h kuyak hero whining about ranged?

Get

a

Shield

This = best build, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJSfzbh5HQ

This = slightly more serious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LUJpdDWCuI
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Umbra on February 27, 2018, 05:02:58 pm
Get a shield noobs lmao
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Dark_Blade on February 27, 2018, 06:42:58 pm
looking for a beauty who will help me to increase the server population
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Leshma on February 28, 2018, 02:03:44 am
looking for a beauty who will help me to increase the server population

You live in Ukraine, country with crazy number of natural Slavic beauties.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Yeldur on February 28, 2018, 02:46:50 am
How does every single thread morph into typical 2h kuyak hero whining about ranged?

Get

a

Shield

This = best build, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBJSfzbh5HQ

This = slightly more serious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LUJpdDWCuI
Your argument: INVALID

The problem ISN'T that ranged are too strong as such (Though, xbowers are definitely too strong of a class), the problem is that there are TOO MANY ranged, thus, shields are NOT helpful when you have 20 different ranged users shooting you from all different angles. Shields are great for low population cases, but in high pop I.E. 30+ players, shields do NOT work.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 28, 2018, 05:23:33 am
Your argument: INVALID

The problem ISN'T that ranged are too strong as such (Though, xbowers are definitely too strong of a class), the problem is that there are TOO MANY ranged, thus, shields are NOT helpful when you have 20 different ranged users shooting you from all different angles. Shields are great for low population cases, but in high pop I.E. 30+ players, shields do NOT work.

Combine shields with the ninja way of minds armor and youve got yourself out of a lot of trouble. Obviously everyone shouldnt play like a damn ninja and hide/flank, but if you set your mind to it you can often position yourself so that the cone of protection a shield provides will cover the area ranged are able to shoot you from.

Also if ranged isnt strong, like we see some people have amazing rounds with ranged weapons but in general it isnt that incredibly strong on its own merits. So if it isnt that strong, why is it so attractive, why do so many people play it? I would very much prefer to direct the discussions away from simple nerfs and to more prefferable solutions. Maybe we need a new primary gamemode? A king of the hill kind of system would encourage melee above anything for example, if that is what people want.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 28, 2018, 11:17:26 am
you cant win either way :D

Ranged sit on strong positions picking off solo heroes = people cry
People group up and teamwork to push them out of positions = people cry *cough leshma cough*
People play cav to go behind archers = people cry


The only time ranged is a real problem for me on my shielder (21-16 build so isn't a quick ninja) are throwers because throwing lances hit like a god damn truck :D. If i decide to solo push 3-4 archers as a shielder ofc im going to get shot but im also distracting 3-4 archers so longer i survive the better our chance of winning. For sure if the balance throws most of the ranged on one team for a round you either stomp or get stomped but there isnt much to be done about that 

Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Razzer on February 28, 2018, 11:47:05 am
IG BG is like 30 players server, isn't it? That's for those who prefer EU4 gameplay. Compared to that, free for all no silly clan stacking noob infested siege often has/had 220 player population, like Pecores server used to have before multiplier patch.

Most players prefer to play like me, no strings attached. But this mod forced 90% of them to create clans at first, then to integrate into super clans. You've sacrified casuals who are the meat of every online games population in order to feed interests of the few and now just like before are crying over loss of population. It is funny that exact same people who always talk in favor of esports aspect, competitive gaming are the ones who were the most active when server population was more casual and not dominated by try hards. I do remember Vibe always being in favor of competitive so called pro level of competition yet I also do remember him being the most active in earlier phases of cRPG development, when it wasn't about x5, clan stacks and rest of that.

cRPG is fun in same way injecting heroin is fun. But it wasn't always heroin, used to be like weed at first. Certain people helped to shape it into heoin, interestingly same are abusers of hard substances irl.

Weren't you permabanned for cheating?
What does that have to do with anything? I was temporarily banned, when I was 16.
Glad you show once more, what an edgy dickhead you are.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Corsair831 on February 28, 2018, 11:49:23 am
If i decide to solo push 3-4 archers as a shielder ofc im going to get shot but im also distracting 3-4 archers so longer i survive the better our chance of winning

I think this is the main problem, people wouldn't dream of charging 3-4 melee thinking "I'm definitely going to win this! This is going to be an even fight!", but people expect to charge 3-4 archers and think to themselves "I'm definitely going to win this! This is going to be an even fight!"

I think people just think, "Ranged isn't a threat", because it's quite far way, and then they get hit with an arrow and suddenly it's all tears
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 28, 2018, 01:56:50 pm
If you notice, the only people who are trying to defend the mass clan stacking , are people from Mercs and Byzantium.

Both of you literally try to grab anyone who shows a tad of skill to your clans, just so you can roll with constant X5.

On eu1 its the same shit, a couple of hours the Vanguards will be online storming the server with their clan stacking, a couple of hours will be the Mercs and their clan stacking.

I do not have a problem with that, since I play as a lancer, and to be honst I am better than most of you, but if a new guy joins EU1, and starts getting stomped down by your elitist clans, he will go away.

Having a nice clan, is a big difference to "I grab everyone who has some skill"

Youre all shit.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Osiris on February 28, 2018, 02:09:08 pm
so if all mercs byz and other clans who enjoy playing as a group rather than solo stopped playing, crpg would be sweet and highly populated?
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 28, 2018, 02:27:55 pm
Enjoy?

Friend, everyday I see more and more mercs, hell, I am sure that even you do not know some Mercs yourself, because your clan is mass recruiting.

And yeah, I personally  think that the servers would be more populated than now without your idiotic clan stacking.

Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 28, 2018, 02:36:21 pm
so if all mercs byz and other clans who enjoy playing as a group rather than solo stopped playing, crpg would be sweet and highly populated?

Considering that 95% of the server belongs to one clan or another, i think the server would basically be a duel server for the few left on. I think its highly overrated how big of an impact the clan stacks have now, and balance seems to swap us around a lot. There are plenty of smaller clans with good players. With current population you dont need many players to change the tides. Very rarely do Byz even get many players on now, and mercs seem to be in the same seat. We just have a core that enjoys playing with eachother, and we have a good feel of eachothers dicks playstyles so that we can work together well.

I dont deny it happens we get a bunch on at certain times, but in general its more like 5 byz + 10 etc. Not much different from Tormatun having same numbers, or amox or whatever others there are.. SB. We have an insane amount of inactives, and we have some questionable banner leechers that ive been nagging about kicking but i guess we are just addicted to armory looms.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Jona on February 28, 2018, 07:08:21 pm
I think this is the main problem, people wouldn't dream of charging 3-4 melee thinking "I'm definitely going to win this! This is going to be an even fight!"

The real question is who doesn't think this? Without this mentality you ain't getting anywhere. Well, that goes for the first  part anyways... I don't fool myself into thinking it'll be even, as the 3-4 guys on the other team are gonna have a hard fight on their hands.  8-)

but people expect to charge 3-4 archers and think to themselves "I'm definitely going to win this! This is going to be an even fight!"

Nope. Not one person (other than you, perhaps) has thought this. If I see 3-4 ranged players aiming at me I run and hide, if at all possible.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Asheram on February 28, 2018, 07:28:06 pm
I think this is the main problem, people wouldn't dream of charging 3-4 melee thinking "I'm definitely going to win this! This is going to be an even fight!", but people expect to charge 3-4 archers and think to themselves "I'm definitely going to win this! This is going to be an even fight!"

I think people just think, "Ranged isn't a threat", because it's quite far way, and then they get hit with an arrow and suddenly it's all tears
I don't charge anyone thinking "I'm definitely going to win this!" or even "I might win this". I charge 3-4 melee thinking "This might be a fun fight and I might get to take 1 or more with me when I go or at least lower their hp before I die!"

I charge 3-4 archers thinking "which one of you pricks shot me!" and try to at least bob n weave my way to him using his other team mates as a shield or trees etc. and get lucky.  :P
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: njames89 on February 28, 2018, 07:32:50 pm
try to at least bob n weave my way to him

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Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Dalhi on March 04, 2018, 07:57:46 am
I find the poll results surprising, from my own observation in last two weeks mod is somehow alive at evenings from Monday to Wednesday, for the rest of the week it's dead.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Asheram on March 04, 2018, 08:02:31 am
I find the poll results surprising, from my own observation in last two weeks mod is somehow alive at evenings from Monday to Wednesday, for the rest of the week it's dead.
you must mean eu as na battle server never even populated before the last 3 big strat battles.
Title: Re: Low server populations (poll)
Post by: Dalhi on March 04, 2018, 08:05:14 am
Yes, I'm talking about EU. Latest rumours are not very optimistic as it appears that not so many players are waiting for strategus reset. Hopefully I'm wrong.