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Title: Question re autoblock
Post by: woody on January 24, 2015, 06:23:26 pm
If I am behind an enemy and am feinting between attacks and hes changing his blocks perfectly is this likely to be autoblock? If so theres people using it.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Kalam on January 24, 2015, 06:34:13 pm
cRPG's increased field of vision allows for this, manually.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on January 24, 2015, 07:17:00 pm
If I am behind an enemy and am feinting between attacks and hes changing his blocks perfectly is this likely to be autoblock? If so theres people using it.

Or he's very experienced and your feints are predictable. 
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: AwesomeHail on January 24, 2015, 07:21:09 pm
I usually do that to see if i wouldve blocked it if he would fight me, just curiosity, some people have macros and never change them, so its predictable, or just the same muscle memory
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Smokey_The_Wrastler on January 24, 2015, 08:01:20 pm
Idk if the person has it or not, but there is an undetectable auto-block that works on any version of Warband, even if it gets updated.  It can also be toggable, so if somebody tells you to block up or in a different direction you can switch it off and on with the press of a button and win confrontations.  I do know that aimbot is allowed but idk about autoblock
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: matt2507 on January 24, 2015, 08:26:34 pm
Idk if the person has it or not, but there is an undetectable auto-block that works on any version of Warband, even if it gets updated.  It can also be toggable, so if somebody tells you to block up or in a different direction you can switch it off and on with the press of a button and win confrontations.  I do know that aimbot is allowed but idk about autoblock

You seems to well know how it work..
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Porthos on January 24, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Some people just use so-called "pro gaming mice". Like this one:
Afaik, macros allow you not only attack with Quray-style derpy feints, but also to block with almost 100 percent accuracy. To be honest I've never been concerned about it until I saw this one guy (http://forum.melee.org/eu-(official)/cheater-on-the-eu_crpg_1-65344/). He was incredibly good at blocking (actually he was blocking all the craziest swings and feints perfectly), and at the same time you could easily say that he's a newbie by the look of his clumsy attacking moves. I was dueling with him before the videos has been filmed and it took about four minutes to kill him, because all he was doing is blocking only, while the only way to kill him was to hit him during his own swing. When I accused him of cheating, he made a shielder char and finally started to attack (or at least he pretended that he attacks, like holding swings sometimes and so on) but still the videos shows you how that macro block thing is working. He confirmed that he uses the macro block:
Quote from: FridzMaster
its a macro right click not a cheat with that i can change direction block without right click at same time
Of course, I think that all this macro stuff gives people who are using it a big advantage over normal players. But since the macro stuff is not forbidden in this game we're gonna deal with it or get the fuck outta here. The way it is.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Kalam on January 24, 2015, 10:39:53 pm
Auto-block is something only inexperienced (or people who never really learned the melee mechanics) players truly benefit from. The fact is, most cRPG players are good enough that failed blocks aren't the primary reason people lose. It's footwork, timing, and mind games.

 I've experimented with macros, and find them to be sub-par compared to regular intuition. You essentially limit yourself by over committing- and forcing the other player to over commit is the primary mode of defensive exploitation that a skilled melee cRPG player uses.

All this works against the average player of 2013 or some new-ish player now. I'm not sure what advantage it confers to anyone today aside from sheer laziness in grinding or some shit, even if it's used. I'm not even convinced it is regularly used.

tl;dr Auto-blocks and macros are tools that only benefit newbies/less curious learners. Since there aren't many newbies around, it doesn't make sense for many cRPG players to utilize it.

Edit: what is shown in that video is also possible by simply holding down attack at all times, as well as certain settings (high sensitivity, artificial acceleration, and deceleration) that are not useful (they hurt you, in fact) for fps and mobas.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Golem on January 24, 2015, 10:45:08 pm
Micro - I don't know what do you mean but sometimes when I am blocking and someone feints, I instictevely move my mose without aidibly clicking RMB and it changes my block right when the attack hits. This happened so many time that I needed to ivestigate this and upon further inspection it seems I do actually click it ever so slightly.
OP - you can look behind yourself when you push ; ;)
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on January 24, 2015, 10:58:08 pm
I don't know about autoblock. But a good number of people are definitely using them macros.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2015, 12:34:44 am
Would like to have autoblock at this point. This stupid lag combined with my build (now I'm 100% sure that weapon swing speed is in direct correlation with block response speed, something most people say is instant regardless of build or weapon) translates into me being able to block very few hits these days. But it's not a big deal, just need to start wearing some plate armor and start laughing at puny humans around me (Porthos for example).
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Tuetensuppe on January 25, 2015, 12:34:51 am
I do know that aimbot is allowed

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Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Kalam on January 25, 2015, 02:22:43 am
Idk if the person has it or not, but there is an undetectable auto-block that works on any version of Warband, even if it gets updated.  It can also be toggable, so if somebody tells you to block up or in a different direction you can switch it off and on with the press of a button and win confrontations.  I do know that aimbot is allowed but idk about autoblock

Aimbot is not allowed.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 25, 2015, 03:45:49 am
I think most of you skipped the part "behind an enemy", not the fact that they can follow the feints but that they do it with their backs turned.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: AwesomeHail on January 25, 2015, 11:05:22 am
I don't know about autoblock. But a good number of people are definitely using them macros.

qorayyyyyyy
dunno about spamwhore but i tease him with it, since it definately seems like it :)
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Protemus on January 25, 2015, 11:53:57 am
qorayyyyyyy
dunno about spamwhore but i tease him with it, since it definately seems like it :)

Spamwhore is definitely using macro's I humbly suggest you blanket ban all Vanguards
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on January 25, 2015, 01:54:15 pm
I think most of you skipped the part "behind an enemy", not the fact that they can follow the feints but that they do it with their backs turned.
With wse2, you can have a pretty good vision of whats behind your back, and most people do predictible attack when they have the back.

Spamwhore is definitely using macro's I humbly suggest you blanket ban all Vanguards
Yop vanguard are definitly cheating, it's not possible for a team to have so many skilled players. It's like all the people in this team are top players, i m pretty sure they have a secret, like this time they were praising the sun. BAN DEM
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2015, 02:06:22 pm
Team of skilled players? Last night I was in Vanguard team vs team of Krems and had x1 whole time...

Only clan left with anything that even remotely resembles quality teamplay are Barabe and Druzhina when they get more than 5 people online. Rest are just fooling around.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: the real god emperor on January 25, 2015, 02:53:04 pm
Spamwhore is definitely using macro's I humbly suggest you blanket ban all Vanguards

Master Spamwhore taught me how to macrofeint without macros, and if even there is someone ridicilously feinting, it is really easy to counter them.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on January 25, 2015, 11:03:56 pm
If i speak of what i know..they will mute me.

But i have one question


Why the Crpg team never released the list with the names that got banned for autoblocking?

in other games the celebrate when they ban a cheater they have walls of shame , announce their names on twitter with live feed etc.. but in Crpg its a seeecret..

Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on January 25, 2015, 11:23:09 pm
Although there is no list of names, here is this autoblock unban thread. It's not a secret really:

http://forum.melee.org/global/autoblocker-unban-thread/
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Grumbs on January 25, 2015, 11:39:24 pm
Although there is no list of names, here is this autoblock unban thread. It's not a secret really:

http://forum.melee.org/global/autoblocker-unban-thread/

It does say only bother asking to get unbanned if you used it very lightly. If you used more than a few hours you would be better off just coming back with a new account

Would be nice to have the ban list public. I think that would work as a great deterrent. But it would also create a lot of drama which might be why they don't do it. Like a clan has a cheater so then the whole clan looks bad, or tournaments/strat might to have teams DQ'd or something. Also false positives could exist

As said before though if you have good footwork and game sense then theres a good chance you can block 99% of attacks anyway. If you have bad footwork / decision making etc then blocking won't help you much and it will look very obvious that you cheat
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 29, 2015, 01:56:08 pm
If i speak of what i know..they will mute me.

But i have one question


Why the Crpg team never released the list with the names that got banned for autoblocking?

in other games the celebrate when they ban a cheater they have walls of shame , announce their names on twitter with live feed etc.. but in Crpg its a seeecret..

I found you in a random APB video http://youtu.be/WANJ-9UHH8s?t=1m27s (http://youtu.be/WANJ-9UHH8s?t=1m27s), you got your asses handed to ya against 1 person using only a stun gun, maybe i shouldnt have posted this  :oops:

also
>tfw recognizing crpg players outside of the game
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on January 29, 2015, 05:13:33 pm
I found you in a random APB video http://youtu.be/WANJ-9UHH8s?t=1m27s (http://youtu.be/WANJ-9UHH8s?t=1m27s), you got your asses handed to ya against 1 person using only a stun gun, maybe i shouldnt have posted this  :oops:

also
>tfw recognizing crpg players outside of the game


amazing!!!!!!

Thank you for the post man.

So in this video folks you see a  Gold rank 255 with 100 fps!!!! vs 2 noobz ( i am bronze with less than 20 fps and a silver with 30 fps) on a bronze server with 80 ra


Gold on bronze crime



PS: I am Crpg for life. I only allow to get my ass handled to me on Crpg .



Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 29, 2015, 06:09:52 pm
APB is utter shit.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 29, 2015, 06:15:44 pm
APB is utter shit.

Im enjoying it quite a lot actually.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: karasu on January 29, 2015, 06:25:15 pm
Please tell me it's not pay2win.  :?
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 29, 2015, 06:35:28 pm
Please tell me it's not pay2win.  :?

It is, kinda.. More things are becoming accessible as f2p though. F2P weapons etc are strong enough to compete with pretty much everything though.

The concept and arcadey gameplay is so good though, enough for me to overlook the small p2w things.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on January 29, 2015, 06:37:47 pm
Please tell me it's not pay2win.  :?


its not P2W .

its P2C pay to look cool
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Tibe on January 29, 2015, 09:12:02 pm
I've played asstons of APB. Its okayish, but its kinda shit. Very easly hackable and the game is owned by clueless cunts. Also lol that vid. Your team really sucked, cant even utilize nades properly. As a game its crap, as a free2play game, its okay. And it actually is p2w. Heavly modded weapons count for a lot and they expire fast. If you pour a lot of real money into it, you can keep rolling with that. Also the cashamount that you need to be a playa in the marketplace is just batshitcrazy and mainly for those who buy a lot of ingame currency.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Halk on January 30, 2015, 12:06:04 am
Spamwhore is definitely using macro's I humbly suggest you blanket ban all Vanguards

Macros, macros, fucking macros everywhere...

Accusing someone for macros seems to be the new nr1 excuse for ppl's own suckiness.. I just can't figure out how it can be so damn hard to swing your mouse back and forth abit and switch attack directions. You need no macros for it, neither do you need any special 100000000000000 dpi mice or any of that shit... Simply smash the shit out of your mouse for some time and see what movement pattern is good and master it. Amen.

Also if you want proof, why dont u come visit me in finland on your next vacation so I can show you how I do it. If you want you can even take a video of me so you can post it to the forums later for ppl to see it. After that we can jerk off to the fappening thread together, i can hook us up with some blankets and tissues eh?
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Golem on January 30, 2015, 12:53:42 am
Macros, macros, fucking macros everywhere...

Accusing someone for macros seems to be the new nr1 excuse for ppl's own suckiness.. I just can't figure out how it can be so damn hard to swing your mouse back and forth abit and switch attack directions. You need no macros for it, neither do you need any special 100000000000000 dpi mice or any of that shit... Simply smash the shit out of your mouse for some time and see what movement pattern is good and master it. Amen.

Also if you want proof, why dont u come visit me in finland on your next vacation so I can show you how I do it. If you want you can even take a video of me so you can post it to the forums later for ppl to see it. After that we can jerk off to the fappening thread together, i can hook us up with some blankets and tissues eh?
Double amen. The shit is ridiculously easy on Native and most people fall for it, but I find swirling works better in cRPG.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Rico on January 30, 2015, 01:16:14 am
Accusing someone for macros seems to be the new nr1 excuse for ppl's own suckiness. Also if you want proof, why dont u come visit me in finland on your next vacation so I can show you how I do it.

Confirm. Spamwhore is using a certain combination of combat stunts which makes his attacks hard to block if you have weak or rusty blocking skills. He taught me how to do it, and it is manually reproducible without macros, bots, hacks or whatever. It works best with twohanded weapons, still well with polearms but not so well with onehanded (which is the reason you don't see me doing the same thing), although the stab is situationally an exception. High wpf is very beneficial for this, regardless of the melee weapon type.

I also believe you can learn to do the same thing by being observant about which mouse and key inputs lead to which exact result in game. It may help to ask a friend to record a video while you are trying out certain combinations, and the result will be notable when you watch it.

Go ahead and try out some new things. If you don't get any result even after hours of observation and practice, it's probably because you don't actually care about getting better.

edit: grammar
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: AwesomeHail on January 30, 2015, 07:18:18 am
Well I cant really learn when I can't see :|
My pc has problems rendering fast or greyish weapons against certain backgrounds, and I more or less play with 12-50 fps, so I have to base my blocks on the movement and pose of the attacker, I got used to it now, but things like fast 1hs and 2hs plus some polearms are practically invisible (with a few frames).

spum, you feint SO fast that your body more or less gets stuck in one posistion and sometimes switches,

i know that you must have some kind of insane asian infused muscle memory shit but i still doubt D:
other than that youre a nice person though, but a bit shit to play against since I always die fighting you (i may be super scrubbish but hey)
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Perverz on January 30, 2015, 10:51:23 am
Macros, macros, fucking macros everywhere...

Accusing someone for macros seems to be the new nr1 excuse for ppl's own suckiness.. I just can't figure out how it can be so damn hard to swing your mouse back and forth abit and switch attack directions. You need no macros for it, neither do you need any special 100000000000000 dpi mice or any of that shit... Simply smash the shit out of your mouse for some time and see what movement pattern is good and master it. Amen.

Also if you want proof, why dont u come visit me in finland on your next vacation so I can show you how I do it. If you want you can even take a video of me so you can post it to the forums later for ppl to see it. After that we can jerk off to the fappening thread together, i can hook us up with some blankets and tissues eh?


he was sarcastic and make joke of you and vanguards  :rolleyes:

teenager
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Halk on January 30, 2015, 11:05:24 am

he was sarcastic and make joke of you and vanguards  :rolleyes:

teenager

I wasn't targeting him only with my ragecomment but pretty much everyone who has a tendency to these macro accuses. He just happened to be the right target atm..

teenager
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Protemus on January 30, 2015, 01:33:51 pm
Macros, macros, fucking macros everywhere...

Accusing someone for macros seems to be the new nr1 excuse for ppl's own suckiness.. I just can't figure out how it can be so damn hard to swing your mouse back and forth abit and switch attack directions. You need no macros for it, neither do you need any special 100000000000000 dpi mice or any of that shit... Simply smash the shit out of your mouse for some time and see what movement pattern is good and master it. Amen.

Also if you want proof, why dont u come visit me in finland on your next vacation so I can show you how I do it. If you want you can even take a video of me so you can post it to the forums later for ppl to see it. After that we can jerk off to the fappening thread together, i can hook us up with some blankets and tissues eh?

One on one me IRL I will fite you blindfold with bare fists I lift in gym
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 30, 2015, 01:36:44 pm
i know that you must have some kind of insane asian infused muscle memory shit but i still doubt D:

No he does not, he's just full of shit. Just like Qoray is full of shit and pretty much every other 2H hero that played this mod. This community has a problem because it identifies with those losers and idealize them.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 30, 2015, 01:40:36 pm
Well I cant really learn when I can't see :|
My pc has problems rendering fast or greyish weapons against certain backgrounds, and I more or less play with 12-50 fps, so I have to base my blocks on the movement and pose of the attacker, I got used to it now, but things like fast 1hs and 2hs plus some polearms are practically invisible (with a few frames).

Your computer certainly adds to the issue, but this potato server is the reason for skipped/shortened animations you see quite often. Happens on both ends, yours and your enemies. And they see it the same way you do see it, which means its not connection issue on your or your opponents side but on potato cRPG server side.

People who under these tough circumstances decide to add insult to injury by playing high agi Katana builds like our friend Xanor are nothing but major assholes.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Bronto on January 30, 2015, 03:07:31 pm
Your computer certainly adds to the issue, but this potato server is the reason for skipped/shortened animations you see quite often. Happens on both ends, yours and your enemies. And they see it the same way you do see it, which means its not connection issue on your or your opponents side but on potato cRPG server side.

People who under these tough circumstances decide to add insult to injury by playing high agi Katana builds like our friend Xanor are nothing but major assholes.

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Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 30, 2015, 03:47:08 pm
No he does not, he's just full of shit. Just like Qoray is full of shit and pretty much every other 2H hero that played this mod. This community has a problem because it identifies with those losers and idealize them.

You were a 2h hero for quite a long time. Once a 2h hero, always a 2h hero. And so you are also full of shit.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 30, 2015, 03:57:39 pm
I'm still using 2H, but I was never a hero. 2H heroes are tryhards like GTX who depend on other people's opinion so much they have to GTX duels.

Would never do what Qoray did, recording myself playing so I can prove I'm using macro's or not. If game admins think I'm doing something wrong, it is their right to think so and act accordingly. There is no need to apologize to people on internet or prove something to them.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Perverz on January 30, 2015, 04:27:34 pm
I wasn't targeting him only with my ragecomment but pretty much everyone who has a tendency to these macro accuses. He just happened to be the right target atm..

teenager

lies!


teenager
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Halk on January 30, 2015, 04:52:45 pm
lies!


teenager

teenager
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 30, 2015, 05:18:16 pm
Being teenager is awesome, wish I could be 13 years old again.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Kafein on January 30, 2015, 06:12:14 pm
From what I remember, Qoray is either using macros or over-committing big time. He's like the only player I had the habit of deliberately spamming against when I really wanted to win. It really worked well, pretty much to the point he would stop trying to over-feint against me after a while, so I usually switched back to never attempting spam.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 30, 2015, 11:08:52 pm
I'm still using 2H, but I was never a hero. 2H heroes are tryhards like GTX who depend on other people's opinion so much they have to GTX duels.

Would never do what Qoray did, recording myself playing so I can prove I'm using macro's or not. If game admins think I'm doing something wrong, it is their right to think so and act accordingly. There is no need to apologize to people on internet or prove something to them.

You used to have one of the most 2h hero playstyles i know, very solo always at the outskirts picking off people.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on January 30, 2015, 11:40:32 pm
... either using macros or over-committing big time...

And I don't see any practical difference between these two probabilities. Both indicate gross levels of fuckedupness.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on January 31, 2015, 12:10:45 am
You used to have one of the most 2h hero playstyles i know, very solo always at the outskirts picking off people.

That's because I like killing archers and other ranged players. Playing solo because I'm not playing this game with friends (clan etc.). 2H hero prior to agility buff was typically full STR build in plate, right now is bee on meth in light-medium armor.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Shemaforash on April 18, 2015, 08:06:12 am
From what I remember, Qoray is either using macros or over-committing big time. He's like the only player I had the habit of deliberately spamming against when I really wanted to win. It really worked well, pretty much to the point he would stop trying to over-feint against me after a while, so I usually switched back to never attempting spam.

It's an enjoyable revival from the grave but you genuinely need to spend less than five minutes alone with a 2h and you'll be able to replicate basic patterns of what you think is a macro. It speaks tremendous amounts of how inexperienced you are at the game if you haven't figured it out after five years since release.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Akronus97 on April 18, 2015, 12:03:50 pm
I don't think there are many people using macros, most feints are just way to easy to block for what I imagine what a macro is. Also, I agree with Shema that you just have to try it out yourself and you can get some decent faints, maybe not the best, but they can work out.

Back again to the cheater topic: I have met a player once I suspect of cheating (won't tell his name). He was first of all blocking everything which isn't suspicious at all, considering how many good gamers
play Mount and Blade in general. What made me suspicious is that he chambered every hit and every faint, it did not matter how long I was holding my attack. One might say he is just pretty good, but tbh I have never seen such a skill like that and I played with many of the warband ludus duel pros (not saying it is impossible). Furthermore, I saw him some weeks before and after this duel and he was not able to block at all, neither he could chamber, feint or whatever. He was actually worse than the average player. Maybe he is just one of the most talented players in Mount and Blade who likes to hide his skill, but from what I ve seen I am convinced that he just tried out some cheat on eu3 and then uninstalled them again. That is why I think it could be possible that there are some cheaters. Nevertheless, it seems to be very unlikely to me that many actually do so.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Camaris on April 18, 2015, 01:21:31 pm
I don't think there are many people using macros, most feints are just way to easy to block for what I imagine what a macro is. Also, I agree with Shema that you just have to try it out yourself and you can get some decent faints, maybe not the best, but they can work out.

Back again to the cheater topic: I have met a player once I suspect of cheating (won't tell his name). He was first of all blocking everything which isn't suspicious at all, considering how many good gamers
play Mount and Blade in general. What made me suspicious is that he chambered every hit and every faint, it did not matter how long I was holding my attack. One might say he is just pretty good, but tbh I have never seen such a skill like that and I played with many of the warband ludus duel pros (not saying it is impossible). Furthermore, I saw him some weeks before and after this duel and he was not able to block at all, neither he could chamber, feint or whatever. He was actually worse than the average player. Maybe he is just one of the most talented players in Mount and Blade who likes to hide his skill, but from what I ve seen I am convinced that he just tried out some cheat on eu3 and then uninstalled them again. That is why I think it could be possible that there are some cheaters. Nevertheless, it seems to be very unlikely to me that many actually do so.

There arent many players left so probably there arent many cheaters either :)
When i learned something in the last 10 years of online-gaming.
If there are ways to cheat/macro a part of community will cheat/macro.

So yes: there are cheaters, there are macro-users.
And just cause it can be done without cheating doesnt mean that those macros arent used.
People won´t tell you if they do, cause the whole point of it is to buff their ego.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2015, 01:47:59 pm
It's an enjoyable revival from the grave but you genuinely need to spend less than five minutes alone with a 2h and you'll be able to replicate basic patterns of what you think is a macro. It speaks tremendous amounts of how inexperienced you are at the game if you haven't figured it out after five years since release.

Some of those feints can be very effective given current, overly laggy state of the mod. My question is, why there isn't more players doing those feints pretty much constantly? I simply don't believe that someone is willing to repeat the same pattern over and over again for even half an hour, less likely for longer periods. It is tiresome.

People who do that all the time, every time and pretty much aren't good at anything else are using macro feints.

I'm a bit slow so it takes time to react when I spot super fast feinting like Hulk/Spamwhore does all the time but I can tell you, if I spot it on time and react fast by spamming him while he is doing his feint, he always takes the hit. Because you can't block while macro feinting. Native is full of such losers but there is much easier to spam them because game feels ten times more responsive.

I find it insulting that such player has any sort of influence on development of this mod.

Also, friends tend to cheat together. Spamwhore's buddy is Athelar (Brutti I think) and he is equally awful player aside those macro feints.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Akronus97 on April 18, 2015, 02:00:21 pm
Some of those feints can be very effective given current, overly laggy state of the mod. My question is, why there isn't more players doing those feints pretty much constantly? I simply don't believe that someone is willing to repeat the same pattern over and over again for even half an hour, less likely for longer periods. It is tiresome.

People who do that all the time, every time and pretty much aren't good at anything else are using macro feints.

I'm a bit slow so it takes time to react when I spot super fast feinting like Hulk/Spamwhore does all the time but I can tell you, if I spot it on time and react fast by spamming him while he is doing his feint, he always takes the hit. Because you can't block while macro feinting. Native is full of such losers but there is much easier to spam them because game feels ten times more responsive.

I find it insulting that such player has any sort of influence on development of this mod.

Also, friends tend to cheat together. Spamwhore's buddy is Athelar (Brutti I think) and he is equally awful player aside those macro feints.

You find it boring? Maybe it is.... Still, I refer to to Shema's statement again, seems to be an appropiate answer:

 
It's an enjoyable revival from the grave but you genuinely need to spend less than five minutes alone with a 2h and you'll be able to replicate basic patterns of what you think is a macro. It speaks tremendous amounts of how inexperienced you are at the game if you haven't figured it out after five years since release.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gurnisson on April 18, 2015, 02:06:42 pm
The weak makes excuses. Even if there are people who use macro feints, which I kind of doubt, beating them with a disadvantage is just that much better, no?
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2015, 02:56:55 pm
Similar argument would be: playing on Battlefield server with bunch of Russian aimboters makes it much better because when you kill them you feel good cause you are at disadvantage, no?

Only ones who are weak are those who feel the need to use cheats in online video game.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gurnisson on April 18, 2015, 03:09:02 pm
Aimbot in an fps =/= macro feints

Would not be even close to being similarly unfair. Let's say they indeed are macro feints, how long till you spot a pattern and can either take him out by double attacks or just block it reliably?
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: FleetFox on April 18, 2015, 03:13:18 pm
Some of those feints can be very effective given current, overly laggy state of the mod. My question is, why there isn't more players doing those feints pretty much constantly? I simply don't believe that someone is willing to repeat the same pattern over and over again for even half an hour, less likely for longer periods. It is tiresome.

People who do that all the time, every time and pretty much aren't good at anything else are using macro feints.

I'm a bit slow so it takes time to react when I spot super fast feinting like Hulk/Spamwhore does all the time but I can tell you, if I spot it on time and react fast by spamming him while he is doing his feint, he always takes the hit. Because you can't block while macro feinting. Native is full of such losers but there is much easier to spam them because game feels ten times more responsive.

I find it insulting that such player has any sort of influence on development of this mod.

Also, friends tend to cheat together. Spamwhore's buddy is Athelar (Brutti I think) and he is equally awful player aside those macro feints.

Mate Athelar is not Brutii, don't make that mistake, Brutii is one of the best guys in this community!
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Shemaforash on April 18, 2015, 04:58:20 pm
Leshma you are simply inexperienced in warband. Just because you think spending 10 minutes improving your feints is "stupid" doesn't mean others do. You're very narrowminded and decide that your opinion and perspective is law. Open your eyes and understand that there's plenty of players that are more competitive than you. The perspective of someone who is arguably one of the most successful players in warband, who has tried macro. I'll tell you that macroing is a huge liability, produces stale and easy to counter feints and has no natural flow. Anyone who uses macro decrease their potential severely to become a good players because it's limited entirely. Nobody worth discussing uses a macro, Spamwhore especially doesn't.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2015, 05:10:15 pm
The perspective of someone who is arguably one of the most successful players in warband, who has tried macro. I'll tell you that macroing is a huge liability, produces stale and easy to counter feints and has no natural flow.

If you say so, Mr Humble.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2015, 05:19:17 pm
Aimbot in an fps =/= macro feints

Would not be even close to being similarly unfair. Let's say they indeed are macro feints, how long till you spot a pattern and can either take him out by double attacks or just block it reliably?

I know pattern already, but macro feints execute in less than a second. You can hit once if you have good reflexes and twice if you have very fast weapon and agi build (something similar to your Backslash). Of course you can also chamber it. But pattern is there, it isn't wildly moving mouse everywhere like Qoray tried to show us with that pathetic video.

Also cheats are cheats and as we could see multiple times, people will cheat if they have a chance not to get caught. Fallen HA with foliage removal, autoblockers, braindead GTX like beings who "preserve" their kd by leaving while ganked (even though they get 1 death everytime they leave mid game), macro feinters...
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Shemaforash on April 18, 2015, 05:29:28 pm
If you say so, Mr Humble.
what's the reason being humble to a beginner in warband like you? especially if that beginner doesn't grasp a basic concept in warband.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 18, 2015, 05:31:03 pm
I dont usually call out macros etc, but when theres one 2h making insanely fast feints that no one else ive seen through my entire career has done, its kind of suspicious. Especially when pulled off with 100% success, and never making a slower feint like us mortals.

Its not unbeatable by any means, but its kind of cheesy if a macro actually is used and grants the user an advantage.

braindead GTX like beings who "preserve" their kd by leaving while ganked (even though they get 1 death everytime they leave mid game)

Dont you speak ill of GTX! Im sure he doesnt leave to preserve K/D's, atleast not on the website. My theory is that he doesnt let lowbie gankers get the kill, i mean he still gets a death but they wont get a kill (god its genius). Also he probably rejoins to have a high k/d on the scoreboard, i can see why because i play better when im actually trying to play well, and when im at a 5+ kills and 0 deaths i really get into it.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2015, 05:36:31 pm
what's the reason being humble to a beginner in warband like you? especially if that beginner doesn't grasp a basic concept in warband.

It's not about being humble when talking to me, it's being humble person and letting others speak of your abilities. Guess your parents didn't raise you in such spirit. Cultural differences, I guess.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Teeth on April 18, 2015, 05:44:28 pm
What is all this shit about not being able to block while doing macro's, why would you even think that? If you can record mouse movements and all kinds of complex input, surely you can have a few lines that allow certain keys to interrupt the recording. You are probably able to do the same feints without macro's, but being able to do it without any spastic mouse movement or effort whatsoever is still going to be a significant advantage.

It's not about being humble when talking to me, it's being humble person and letting others speak of your abilities. Guess your parents didn't raise you in such spirit. Cultural differences, I guess.
He's Swedish, they are brought up to become egotistical cuntholes even more so than Dutch people.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Shemaforash on April 18, 2015, 06:00:41 pm
It's simply stating facts since you don't seem to understand, if you don't know by now you wouldn't know in years from now.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 18, 2015, 06:08:25 pm
He's Swedish, they are brought up to become egotistical cuntholes even more so than Dutch people.

I wouldnt say more so, maybe equally egotistical.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 18, 2015, 06:22:42 pm
Dutch folks I know are far from being egoists, on the contrary, they are rather pleasant and caring people.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 18, 2015, 06:30:08 pm
Dutch folks I know are far from being egoists, on the contrary, they are rather pleasant and caring people.

Maybe its just in Vanguard we gathered the ego ones then.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Akronus97 on April 18, 2015, 11:17:23 pm
Dutch folks I know are far from being egoists, on the contrary, they are rather pleasant and caring people.

Did we end up on collecting stereotypes in this "discussion"?^^

Important information: Dutch people cooler than swedes :D


Leshma: It is not a lack of someone else's behaviour if you get criticised for something highly questionable you claimed yourself.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Krex on April 18, 2015, 11:21:30 pm
Did we end up on collecting stereotypes in this "discussion"?^^

Important information: Dutch people cooler than swedes :D
Also: BIER BIER BIER
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Akronus97 on April 18, 2015, 11:24:57 pm
Also: BIER BIER BIER

Although I am German, I never drink beer :o
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 19, 2015, 12:48:01 am
Leshma: It is not a lack of someone else's behaviour if you get criticised for something highly questionable you claimed yourself.

I was just commenting the exact sentence I quoted, where he called himself one of the best Warband players. Completely out of context what he said before and after that sentence, because, frankly I don't give enough fucks what he has to say.

Dude wasn't originally cRPG player, when he first came here all he did was trying to make a point how cRPG sucks and Warband is superior. And didn't waste any chance to claim his own superiority. Dunno why is he even considered as part of this community, he probably has less than 200 hours spent in this mod, which is too little considering that most of us have way over thousand on average, some of us couple thousands and ticking.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 19, 2015, 12:54:16 am

Important information: Dutch people cooler than swedes :D


Damnit i have to create a better reputation for swedes, hard to make up for the damage done by bjord though. Fuck..  Oh wait, maybe im not actually adding to the positives myself either... i like boys.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Shemaforash on April 19, 2015, 01:08:08 am
Dude wasn't originally cRPG player, when he first came here all he did was trying to make a point how cRPG sucks and Warband is superior. And didn't waste any chance to claim his own superiority. Dunno why is he even considered as part of this community, he probably has less than 200 hours spent in this mod, which is too little considering that most of us have way over thousand on average, some of us couple thousands and ticking.

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You registered one day before me, I've got 3800 hours+ on warband and easily above 1000 on cRPG. I don't understand what you're trying to prove.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 19, 2015, 01:21:46 am
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You registered one day before me, I've got 3800 hours+ on warband and easily above 1000 on cRPG. I don't understand what you're trying to prove.

You can see who spent more time playing and who spent more on the forums, lel. You both registred before me, i feel like a newmy old friend.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 19, 2015, 02:04:57 am
Who cares about registration date, you were playing way before it. I remember Shogunate training sessions with speaks, pikes etc. That way before this forum come to place (pre upkeep patch).
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Shemaforash on April 19, 2015, 02:17:02 am
Who cares about registration date, you were playing way before it. I remember Shogunate training sessions with speaks, pikes etc. That way before this forum come to place (pre upkeep patch).

I played when cRPG got announced, I still don't see why it makes your argument legitimate and neither does it make the fact that I've most likely won the most tournaments out of any player in warband illegitimate.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 19, 2015, 04:05:00 am
No. One. Cares.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 19, 2015, 10:06:30 am
and neither does it make the fact that I've most likely won the most tournaments out of any player in warband illegitimate.

It's hard to be humble when you know you're the best.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Akronus97 on April 19, 2015, 10:54:30 am
You can see who spent more time playing and who spent more on the forums, lel. You both registred before me, i feel like a newmy old friend.

I registered in november 2013, I feel so young :o
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Perverz on April 19, 2015, 08:50:37 pm
Although I am German, I never drink beer :o



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Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Kidduis on April 20, 2015, 12:51:19 pm
He's Swedish, they are brought up to become egotistical cuntholes even more so than Dutch people.

Hörre du din lilla fitta....
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Guray on April 20, 2015, 01:23:24 pm


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Its very rude of you taking a picture of me like that and sharing it on public..
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Arthur_ on April 20, 2015, 05:19:19 pm
One on one me IRL I will fite you blindfold with bare fists I lift in gym

Lifting doesnt make you a better fist fighter at all actually, its all in the head, not the muscles..
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Arthur_ on April 20, 2015, 05:20:06 pm
Macros, macros, fucking macros everywhere...

Accusing someone for macros seems to be the new nr1 excuse for ppl's own suckiness.. I just can't figure out how it can be so damn hard to swing your mouse back and forth abit and switch attack directions. You need no macros for it, neither do you need any special 100000000000000 dpi mice or any of that shit... Simply smash the shit out of your mouse for some time and see what movement pattern is good and master it. Amen.

Also if you want proof, why dont u come visit me in finland on your next vacation so I can show you how I do it. If you want you can even take a video of me so you can post it to the forums later for ppl to see it. After that we can jerk off to the fappening thread together, i can hook us up with some blankets and tissues eh?

Chambering spamwhore feints since 2013
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Vibe on April 20, 2015, 05:26:16 pm
i started playing crpg when there was only 1 eu server that restarted every 30 minutes and my take on this is that i have a large penis
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 20, 2015, 05:28:33 pm
Which one is yours? (NSFW) (http://genitalsize.com/penises/categories.php?cat_id=105&sessionid=burl6smdqshtlroqo1735fkdm5)
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: DonNicko on April 21, 2015, 09:06:15 am
I think if you have good fps and ping then macro isn't such a big problem. I have a not that good ping, so when I try to feint can't see half of my feinting. Just because of that I took Boulder on a stick to crush through all feintings and 100% blocks  :D
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Akronus97 on April 21, 2015, 02:00:13 pm
I think if you have good fps and ping then macro isn't such a big problem. I have a not that good ping, so when I try to feint can't see half of my feinting. Just because of that I took Boulder on a stick to crush through all feintings and 100% blocks  :D

For what do you need to see blocks? You just hit through them^^
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on April 21, 2015, 02:29:55 pm
I think if you have good fps and ping then macro isn't such a big problem. I have a not that good ping, so when I try to feint can't see half of my feinting. Just because of that I took Boulder on a stick to crush through all feintings and 100% blocks  :D

We, the puny mortals, have been forsaken though. Not all of us are fortunate enough to reach out to the weaponry of the gods.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Rebelyell on April 21, 2015, 02:53:54 pm
We, the puny mortals, have been forsaken though. Not all of us are fortunate enough to reach out to the weaponry of the gods.
what are you talking about
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Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: Leshma on April 21, 2015, 03:47:55 pm
Have two similar chars, one is using DGS and other Scottish Halberd. Halberd is useful when backpedaling but that's about it. And has exceptional stab but it is so hard to hit anything with it. DGS on other hand has vastly superior swing animations, feels much much faster with same build and while stab isn't as potent, it is much easier to aim and can be spammed. If it had same damage values like Halberd, DGS stab would be incredibly overpowered.

tl;dr DGS much better.
Title: Re: Question re autoblock
Post by: zDevilBox on April 21, 2015, 04:55:14 pm
For what do you need to see blocks? You just hit through them^^
Bypassing rear, noticeable difference even in the 20 ping.