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Title: English proficiency index
Post by: Falka on October 18, 2014, 08:11:27 am
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English proficiency index - it's supposed to be the world's largest ranking of English skills. And has some weird numbers, Poland better than Belgium and Germany, RUssia better than Italy. Ruskies speak english?
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Post by: lombardsoup on October 18, 2014, 08:13:21 am
lol no 'murica on that list

Well done
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Post by: Christo on October 18, 2014, 08:27:18 am
Ruskies speak english?

amerika obamma fuck mom last night ))))))))
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Post by: lombardsoup on October 18, 2014, 08:31:04 am
amerika obamma fuck mom last night ))))))))

That's the average American vocabulary
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Post by: Christo on October 18, 2014, 08:42:11 am
Not enough burgers and freedom
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Post by: Umbra on October 18, 2014, 09:31:12 am
Strange, are we not even in the top 60? I dont know a single person below 40 that doesent speak English, and most young people speak it very fluently. And we are a tourist country so its a must on the coast. I guess Croatia just isnt relevant  :oops:
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Post by: lombardsoup on October 18, 2014, 09:34:51 am
Strange, are we not even in the top 60? I dont know a single person below 40 that doesent speak English, and most young people speak it very fluently. And we are a tourist country so its a must on the coast. I guess Croatia just isnt relevant  :oops:

Don't worry, you're above the US, at least take pride in that.
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Post by: Xant on October 18, 2014, 10:45:01 am
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Post by: LordBerenger on October 18, 2014, 12:14:56 pm
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English proficiency index - it's supposed to be the world's largest ranking of English skills. And has some weird numbers, Poland better than Belgium and Germany, RUssia better than Italy. Ruskies speak english?

Not surprised Sweden, Norway and Netherlands are top 3. But Finland got the 7th spot? Lol not sure if srs.

Also lmao at China and Russia speaking better English than Turkey.
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Post by: Xant on October 18, 2014, 12:37:18 pm
Not surprised Sweden, Norway and Netherlands are top 3. But Finland got the 7th spot? Lol not sure if srs.

Also lmao at China and Russia speaking better English than Turkey.
Finland ranked third behind Denmark and Norway, and ahead of Sweden, in one test measuring vocabulary levels. Belgium was fifth.
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Post by: Algarn on October 18, 2014, 12:44:59 pm
35 th position for france :lol:
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Post by: Krex on October 18, 2014, 01:00:29 pm
Germany in high?
Thats a joke,isnt it?You should hear my classmates talking english...
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: darmaster on October 18, 2014, 01:03:21 pm
sum ting wong

wii too lo

ho lee fuk

bang dang ow
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Post by: Leshma on October 18, 2014, 01:22:52 pm
No Philippines in top 20, wtf? It's their second official language.
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Post by: Radament on October 18, 2014, 01:32:48 pm
good luck asking directions english tourists  :mrgreen:


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Post by: Leshma on October 18, 2014, 02:03:00 pm
It's a good thing I learned a bit Italiano in past six months.
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Post by: Radament on October 18, 2014, 02:16:33 pm
It's a good thing I learned a bit Italiano in past six months.
you did good , even our prime minister is quite poor in english but  the scary fact is a good 30% of the population don't even know italian very well .

the good thing is we can cook the best pizzas in the world  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Simon_Belmont on October 18, 2014, 02:49:31 pm
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English proficiency index - it's supposed to be the world's largest ranking of English skills. And has some weird numbers, Poland better than Belgium and Germany, RUssia better than Italy. Ruskies speak english?

I'd say the average japanese's english is really choppy, not sure how it's just in the mediocre list. But if the charts say so, I guess I'll trust them.
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Post by: Umbra on October 18, 2014, 02:50:17 pm
How was this chrat made?
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Post by: Kafein on October 18, 2014, 02:59:04 pm
It would be funny to put the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand in that list.
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Post by: Oberyn on October 18, 2014, 03:25:40 pm
How was this chart made?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index#Methodology

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Methodology
The EF EPI third edition was calculated using test data from 750,000 test takers in 2012. The test takers were self-selected and no demographic information was collected on them. The tests are used by the company for marketing and placement purposes. 58 countries and 2 territories appear in the third edition of the index. In order to be included a country was required to have at least 400 test takers total.

400 self-selected (not to mention no demographic information, so might not even be representative of the country concerned in the first place) is not exactly a reliable sample in my opinion. The self-selected part in particular is kiss of death as far as I'm concerned.

Still, seems relatively accurate, despite the methodology fails.
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Post by: darmaster on October 18, 2014, 03:30:21 pm
How was this chrat made?

stereotypes, which are accurate
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Post by: LordBerenger on October 18, 2014, 03:33:14 pm
No Philippines in top 20, wtf? It's their second official language.

Guessing countries like Phillipines, England, US etc... are not in this because of what languages they have as offical languages.
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Post by: Umbra on October 18, 2014, 03:48:53 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index#Methodology

400 self-selected (not to mention no demographic information, so might not even be representative of the country concerned in the first place) is not exactly a reliable sample in my opinion. The self-selected part in particular is kiss of death as far as I'm concerned.

Still, seems relatively accurate, despite the methodology fails.

So Croatian data wasnt even taken. Thanks Obama
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 18, 2014, 04:21:22 pm
India ranks 21st? Rubbish list. I would say they should be like 100th or so. English is seemingly an official language to them, but it is literally a pain in the ass to listen to an Indian dude and successfully understand what the hell he is trying to say. I remember a recent encounter where the guy was trying to say "first table" and I swear on me mum it sounded like nothing but "fast evil".
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: DonNicko on October 18, 2014, 04:27:02 pm
Ruskies speak english?
-Hello
-Hello
-How are you?
-I'm fine and you?
-I'm too, good bye
-Bye
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Butan on October 18, 2014, 05:11:29 pm
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It did need to be do.



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Post by: lombardsoup on October 18, 2014, 05:42:41 pm
Put an mspaint write in for the US at #61

USA USA
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 18, 2014, 05:47:21 pm
Norway may be second on the list, but we also got the worst accent.
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Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 18, 2014, 05:55:36 pm
no america

why even bother reading
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 18, 2014, 06:01:54 pm
Thats a joke,isnt it?You should hear my classmates talking english...

Should have heard my teacher back at school, the american exchange students only found out after asking that he was speaking english.
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Post by: Kalam on October 18, 2014, 06:03:54 pm
Seems inaccurate. There is no way Malaysia would be higher than Singapore in English proficiency. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: lombardsoup on October 18, 2014, 06:04:54 pm
no america

why even bother reading

It says everything you need to know about the US in as few words as possible.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Xant on October 18, 2014, 06:56:44 pm
Should have heard my teacher back at school, the american exchange students only found out after asking that he was speaking english.
Haha, must've been a pretty funny scenario. Awkward for the teacher, especially.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: lombardsoup on October 18, 2014, 07:11:18 pm
English > American English
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Post by: Angantyr on October 18, 2014, 07:33:09 pm
A 9th grade English class I once taught had an English exchange student who spoke this pretty horrible Cockney-ish, lower class teenage girl dialect/sociolect, and I could hardly understand a single word she said as I was supposed to have a conversation with the girl, who mostly reminded me of a Little Britain caricature, in front of the class without making too much of a fool of either of us, especially her as she was new in the class and in the country, and a kid besides. Felt like a good time to teach the students about dialects.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: LordBerenger on October 18, 2014, 08:27:40 pm

It did need to be do.



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France being on the 35th spot and under China (!), Russia (!), Sri Lanka (!!!!!) and other random countries just proves 1 of these things. Either France still hates Brits and the English language because now the Brits language is the official language of the world and they don't want to learn it or well...there's no other reasons.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Angantyr on October 18, 2014, 08:40:01 pm
With a rich local culture, not importing excessively of foreign cultures is not an entirely bad policy. Turn on the TV and don't tell me you aren't drowning in American television in Sweden.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Lars on October 18, 2014, 08:44:20 pm
I'm not surprised that  Germanic-speaking countries are in  1st positions ( Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark etcc...), if i had studied French or any other Neo-Latin language at school, i guess nowadays i would probably have a solid B2  or higher level in that language.

As for the non Germanic-speaking countries in the 1st positions, i think one of the reasons  is probably because  movies-shows are not dubbed in native language, like Finland for example, when i visited Finland i remember every British-American tv show was subtitled, not dubbed ( probably  the subtitles were optional, just a tv setting,  i don't  remember), and i think it's the same for movies .

It's a shame i didn't choose to study German at school, nowadays German it's mandatory where i live, not a choice anymore. I'm trying to remedy my mistake, i started studying German  2 weeks ago.


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Post by: Teeth on October 18, 2014, 09:20:54 pm
I'm not surprised that  Germanic-speaking countries are in  1st positions ( Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark etcc...), if i had studied French or any other Neo-Latin language at school, i guess nowadays i would probably have a solid B2  or higher level in that language.
Probably not as your exposure to English is much greater than the exposure to for example French, even if you are from Italy(?). As a Dutch guy I am fairly sure it is the constant exposure to non-dubbed or untranslated English media from a very young age that teaches us English, the similarity between the languages and the school curriculum would hardly amount to anything without it.

With a rich local culture, not importing excessively of foreign cultures is not an entirely bad policy. Turn on the TV and don't tell me you aren't drowning in American television in Sweden.
The sooner everybody just sticks their dumb nationalistic pride up their ass and starts learning English aside their native tongue, the better. There's really not that much to lose and there is so much to gain.
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Post by: Angantyr on October 18, 2014, 09:30:54 pm
I agree. Which is why I wrote 'not entirely'. Besides being lingua franca in much of the world I also happen to like the English language.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Chosen1 on October 19, 2014, 12:49:53 am
It feels good speaking the language that everyone else in the world has to learn.

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Post by: lombardsoup on October 19, 2014, 12:53:42 am
It feels good speaking the language that everyone else in the world has to learn.

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You mean the one 'muricans can't speak due to an abysmal education system.  There's the unchecked immigration to consider as well.

English as a second language by 2020, calling it
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Molly on October 19, 2014, 01:05:59 am
Dozens of Chinese Electronic Students at my Uni... not a single word was understood at any given moment :?
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Post by: LordBerenger on October 19, 2014, 01:52:33 am
With a rich local culture, not importing excessively of foreign cultures is not an entirely bad policy. Turn on the TV and don't tell me you aren't drowning in American television in Sweden.

I barely watch any TV at all nowadays.

Also i'm not stuck in the medieval times and for the record i piss on nationalism. Just sayin. Not that it would be relevant to your comment at all however.  :wink:
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Post by: Macropus on October 19, 2014, 02:26:07 am
Da...
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2014, 02:29:28 am
You mean the one 'muricans can't speak due to an abysmal education system.  There's the unchecked immigration to consider as well.

English as a second language by 2020, calling it

Hmm?

Most Americans can speak fairly good English. With 300 Million people, if but 4% are incapable, that's more than most countries in Europe total population.

Also, I'm not sure, but I believe these tests do not measure actual RL capability of communication. Written communication, even in English, is easier than having to talk in English to others(if as a second language). Many of us on this board, due to Vidya Game culture, have to learn and understand English. This does not translate into speaking it effectively, though.

Why am I responding to the USA Trollbait...sigh.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kaido on October 19, 2014, 07:38:17 am
I learned english by being on PCs for 5 years.Does this count?
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Post by: lombardsoup on October 19, 2014, 07:42:25 am
I learned english by being on PCs for 5 years.Does this count?

You're already better than most.
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Post by: Christo on October 19, 2014, 07:48:33 am
So did I.

It just got more and more understandable pretty shortly. 13th warrior scene comes in mind.

It's not rocket science at all either why many people learn it like this way; The more frequently you see it, or have to use it, the better you'll be at it. One of the big advantages of online gaming is that you can choose a community dominated by a language, so you can practice the written part of it with others.

All this without having to travel to a specific language-dominated area.

Win.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kaido on October 19, 2014, 07:54:36 am
I think i can understand English better  than i can write myself.For example i watch any movie with English subtitles and this helped me a lot.I know many English words like if they were my main language but i can't translate them in my own language idk why lol..Also i watched like 1000 DragonBall episodes with English voice before like 3 years and i did pretty good understanding.Also i believe all languages have different meaning.For example if i put greek subtitles on any movie(my main language is greek)the meaning is a lot different since i know basic english, no matter how good the translator was.Same with greek.You can never translate any language to get the same meaning in some other language in my opinion.
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Post by: Christo on October 19, 2014, 07:56:44 am
That really depends on what the source material is, and if the two languages are compatible.

I could be wrong but the tree romance languages for an example, they have to be at least somewhat compatible like this.
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Post by: Kaido on October 19, 2014, 08:03:53 am
That really depends on what the source material is, and if the two languages are compatible.

I could be wrong but the tree romance languages for an example, they have to be at least somewhat compatible like this.

Well,in my experience with Greek-English,meanings not even close..  :)
But yea some languages might get the same meaning if you translate them and they had the same old roots probably.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Angantyr on October 19, 2014, 03:57:37 pm
It feels good speaking the language that everyone else in the world has to learn.

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Problem with that is that many Brits and Americans don't get that extra language for free, compared to much of the multilingual world. Many also do not learn an extra language in school in these countries, where most Europeans learn a third or fourth language, even just in high school.
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Post by: Xant on October 19, 2014, 04:08:30 pm
Problem with that is that many Brits and Americans don't get that extra language for free, compared to much of the multilingual world. Many also do not learn an extra language in school in these countries, where most Europeans learn a third or fourth language, even just in high school.
Yep, and I think everyone should know at least two languages. The more different they are, the better. For example, knowing Danish and Norwegian won't give anyone much, but speaking Arabic and English will give you insight into quite a few things that seemingly have nothing to do with language -- yet are intrinsically connected.

“Language shapes the way we think, and determines what we can think about.”
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on October 19, 2014, 04:19:49 pm
In the UK we have a serious lack of push in the direction of getting kids to take 2nd languages. Reaping the rewards of colonialism lol
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Post by: lombardsoup on October 19, 2014, 05:58:24 pm
Yep, and I think everyone should know at least two languages. The more different they are, the better. For example, knowing Danish and Norwegian won't give anyone much, but speaking Arabic and English will give you insight into quite a few things that seemingly have nothing to do with language -- yet are intrinsically connected.

“Language shapes the way we think, and determines what we can think about.”

Can you recommend a good method of learning languages?
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Christo on October 19, 2014, 06:01:51 pm
Can you recommend a good method of learning languages?

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Not all that groundbreaking, but they are a good watch.
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on October 19, 2014, 06:18:54 pm
61. Alabama
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Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2014, 06:26:13 pm
61. Alabama
Lower.
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Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on October 19, 2014, 06:46:01 pm
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Not all that groundbreaking, but they are a good watch.

Also the sooner you get to learning them, the better.
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Post by: Xant on October 19, 2014, 06:51:02 pm
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I only checked this one, but Jesus, I hate this method of "teaching." Takes him ages to get to the point, and when you finally think he's going to actually say something useful about the subject, he says "but let me first talk about two myths." And usually you find out you wasted ten minutes to an hour only to discover the person had nothing of value to contribute anyway.

Sadly, this tends to be the format TEDtalks follow. I don't understand why it's so hard to have an "abstract" in the beginning, á la science papers.
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Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on October 19, 2014, 06:59:10 pm
I only checked this one, but Jesus, I hate this method of "teaching." Takes him ages to get to the point, and when you finally think he's going to actually say something useful about the subject, he says "but let me first talk about two myths." And usually you find out you wasted ten minutes to an hour only to discover the person had nothing of value to contribute anyway.

Sadly, this tends to be the format TEDtalks follow. I don't understand why it's so hard to have an "abstract" in the beginning, á la science papers.

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Post by: Xant on October 19, 2014, 07:05:50 pm
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A TED talk about TED talks not working... it's like the liar paradox.
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on October 19, 2014, 09:34:25 pm
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Post by: Kafein on October 19, 2014, 10:36:03 pm
A TED talk about TED talks not working...

One week ago I had a meeting about organizing meetings at work. I think we reached the middle management singularity.
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Post by: Leshma on October 20, 2014, 12:21:05 am
Agile?
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Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on October 20, 2014, 12:25:41 am
Leshma, what are you talking about?
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Post by: Angantyr on October 20, 2014, 12:37:25 am
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Post by: Chosen1 on October 20, 2014, 12:47:24 am
Wow, I remember when TED talks used to actually be informative and fun to listen to. Now unfortunately they have been hijacked by leftists like many other things that were once good  :(
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Post by: Angantyr on October 20, 2014, 01:50:03 am
It's well-founded economics. For a recent study take a look at Tomas Piketty's 'Capital in the Twenty-First Century'.
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Post by: Christo on October 20, 2014, 04:12:16 am
Yeah, guess I shouldn't just have put all those videos up.

One is enough. I think one of them is more to the point than the first 'storytelling' crap.

One week ago I had a meeting about organizing meetings at work. I think we reached the middle management singularity.

hahaha
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Post by: Kafein on October 20, 2014, 07:11:04 pm
Agile?

Quite so. And successfully I might add. Most of the meetings are independent of that though.
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Post by: Oberyn on October 20, 2014, 07:45:11 pm
Quite so. And successfully I might add. Most of the meetings are independent of that though.

http://guide.agilealliance.org/ ?
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Post by: Kafein on October 20, 2014, 08:17:54 pm
Yeah, that kind of agile.
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Post by: Prinz_Karl on October 21, 2014, 11:14:49 pm
It feels good speaking the language that everyone else in the world has to learn.

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You mean english? Because the proper flag should be that of UK. When I was in school british english was the main thing we learned, american english was just a chapter. I'm pretty sure british english is standard for most countries also. But what can I expect of you egocentric and ignorant american people (most of you). I won't even go into an argument with you because they are all filled with the same ignorance.
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Post by: Kaido on October 21, 2014, 11:40:38 pm
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Im glad that my main language wasn't English and i just learned it using computers since its an easy language to learn so i wouldn't want to spent my passive language on that one.Im lucky my main language is Greek coz no matter how good you speak languages,if you weren't born greek you will never talk this language the right way.And also you can describe 1 thing from English with 10 different ways in Greek so it's kinda impossible to ever manage to learn this language at late age.. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Chosen1 on October 22, 2014, 12:26:39 am
You mean english? Because the proper flag should be that of UK. When I was in school british english was the main thing we learned, american english was just a chapter. I'm pretty sure british english is standard for most countries also. But what can I expect of you egocentric and ignorant american people (most of you). I won't even go into an argument with you because they are all filled with the same ignorance.

oh right, you have to learn english because England is such a powerful country. :rolleyes:

the lingua franca (hehe) of the world is english because america is the most influential and greatest country in the world, dont you yuropoors forget it
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Angantyr on October 22, 2014, 09:40:35 am
English as lingua franca is the legacy of centuries of the British Empire. Yes, American history is short but the last 60 years is a historical footnote.
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Post by: Umbra on October 22, 2014, 10:16:33 am
oh right, you have to learn english because England is such a powerful country. :rolleyes:

the lingua franca (hehe) of the world is english because america is the most influential and greatest country in the world, dont you yuropoors forget it

Actually yea, it was the british empire that spread it all over the world. We would all be speaking french or spanish otherwise. Of course American ingenuity and globalization is also a mayor part of the dominance of English
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Vibe on October 22, 2014, 10:31:21 am
Norway may be second on the list, but we also got the worst accent.

That's not true at all. All the northern countries have pretty good accents when it comes to english language (except for maybe Finland). Now listen to slavs/yugos or ruskies :)

It feels good speaking the language that everyone else in the world has to learn.

Yes how useful to speak only one language
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Smoothrich on October 22, 2014, 11:06:47 am
work on the assumption that other countries masturbate over their own flag at sports matches within their own country.

I used to work at a soccer stadium. Are you seriously telling me people outside of America don't take their national (or regional) representation in soccer matches seriously?

Lol fucking idiot. Oh right, Europeans are all closed-society racist autists who would shit themselves at the sight of any non-pasty white people and secretly realize that H1tler is Europe's only meaningful legacy, and that they kinda agree with his anti-gypsy and jew stance.
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Post by: Umbra on October 22, 2014, 11:08:25 am
wat
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Post by: Vibe on October 22, 2014, 11:16:55 am
you don't need hitler to have an anti-gypsy stance in europe
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Umbra on October 22, 2014, 11:17:36 am
You are both wrong and gay because Murica + Yurop = best friends, no homo. Banter is banter but when push comes to shove we bomb some moslems together <3
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Xant on October 22, 2014, 12:01:18 pm
you don't need hitler to have an anti-gypsy stance in europe
Hey dude that's just fucking uncalled for. It's not the gypsies fault that 99.9% of them give the other 0.1% a bad name.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Leshma on October 22, 2014, 12:18:03 pm
I love how fast have chocolate chip cookie ideology spread on this forum during past 4 years and how strong has become in last 12 months. Keep going lads, you're doing great so far.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Vibe on October 22, 2014, 12:41:55 pm
I love how fast have chocolate chip cookie ideology spread on this forum during past 4 years and how strong has become in last 12 months. Keep going lads, you're doing great so far.

please leave
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Leshma on October 22, 2014, 12:45:06 pm
What would happen if I tell you I'm gypsy?
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Post by: Vibe on October 22, 2014, 12:45:40 pm
What would happen if I tell you I'm gypsy?

you'd still be an idiot
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: imisshotmail on October 22, 2014, 12:56:01 pm
being european I can safely say europeans are majority racist, ignorant and overall bad compared to americans.
you won't find an american willing to say that about america.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: NejStark on October 22, 2014, 12:57:17 pm
As an English person who has been to 12 of the top 17, I'd say: Netherlands should be one higher. Singapore should be way WAY higher!

edit: thats just from my own experience though.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Overdriven on October 22, 2014, 01:14:20 pm
English proficiency index - it's supposed to be the world's largest ranking of English skills. And has some weird numbers, Poland better than Belgium and Germany, RUssia better than Italy. Ruskies speak english?

From working in an English language school for foreign students for a while in Brighton I can safely say that Russian English skills were far ahead of the Italians and Spanish. I'm surprised Spain ranks so highly. The main issue I found with the Russians was that they were much quieter in comparison.

The Norwegian students were always by far the most fluent. I also worked with around 200 Polish guys in a warehouse for a few months and their English was excellent, despite many of them not having been here long.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Umbra on October 22, 2014, 01:15:34 pm
being european I can safely say europeans are majority racist, ignorant and overall bad compared to americans.
you won't find an american willing to say that about america.

Really? You wont find lets say an atheist NY-er saying bible belt is racist, ignorant and bad?

You will find holier than thou syndrome in any country in the world. It is not exclusive to one area
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Xant on October 22, 2014, 02:04:02 pm
being european I can safely say europeans are majority racist, ignorant and overall bad compared to americans.
you won't find an american willing to say that about america.
Yes, out of 300 million Americans, not a single one will say that. Guaranteed by BADPLAYER, you can take that to the bank.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: BlindGuy on October 22, 2014, 02:19:45 pm
Were's England? I looked all other 'Moderate', 'Low' and 'Very Low'...

Same. Guess its so bad they didn't even place.

Whenever I see this kinda list I laugh and think about people I know from where I'm from, speaking English "*awful hawking noise*ELLO, WELCUM TUH EXPAIN"


What would happen if I tell you I'm gypsy?

I am too, and rather than making us bond, that knowledge makes me trust you less.

One my fav. jokes: Gypsy buys new car, crusing home proud as you like, BRANDNEWCARMAN.jpeg, blows a tire.

He gets out, jacks the car up, gets the tire off. Just then a second gypsy comes running up and puts a brick through the car window;

"WTF R U DOIN?!" Explodes first gyppo.

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Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Chosen1 on October 22, 2014, 02:56:25 pm
English as lingua franca is the legacy of centuries of the British Empire. Yes, American history is short but the last 60 years is a historical footnote.

No, Deutsch used to be the language of the educated world until after the second world war. Only after WW2 did English become the international language

Yes how useful to speak only one language

I actually speak three
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Oberyn on October 22, 2014, 07:28:16 pm
German was never a lingua franca, sorry. Except for ~5 years over Europe only. Can you guess when this was?
And fucking americans of all people calling europeans racist, HAH. You fuckers pretty much still operate on the paper bag test for "race". You still record and identify "race" in national statistics. Practically every single american city is heavily segregated based on "race". In fact, you fuckers are OBSESSED with race. And you're so ridiculously ethnocentric you project your own (unique, extremely fucked up, divisive, hateful) perceptions of racial relations to the rest of the entire planet, no matter how innapropriate and flawed it is. Sorry, US=/=entire world, I know it's hard to understand.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Falka on October 22, 2014, 08:41:13 pm
being european I can safely say europeans are majority racist, ignorant and overall bad compared to americans.
you won't find an american willing to say that about america.

And that proves... what exactly?
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Chosen1 on October 22, 2014, 09:37:18 pm
German was never a lingua franca, sorry. Except for ~5 years over Europe only. Can you guess when this was?
And fucking americans of all people calling europeans racist, HAH. You fuckers pretty much still operate on the paper bag test for "race". You still record and identify "race" in national statistics. Practically every single american city is heavily segregated based on "race". In fact, you fuckers are OBSESSED with race. And you're so ridiculously ethnocentric you project your own (unique, extremely fucked up, divisive, hateful) perceptions of racial relations to the rest of the entire planet, no matter how innapropriate and flawed it is. Sorry, US=/=entire world, I know it's hard to understand.

I would be pretty mad too if I didn't live in the greatest country in the world.

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Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2014, 09:13:54 am
From working in an English language school for foreign students for a while in Brighton I can safely say that Russian English skills were far ahead of the Italians and Spanish. I'm surprised Spain ranks so highly. The main issue I found with the Russians was that they were much quieter in comparison.

The Norwegian students were always by far the most fluent. I also worked with around 200 Polish guys in a warehouse for a few months and their English was excellent, despite many of them not having been here long.

I believe that's due to their mother languages. Spanish makes it very hard to learn new languages because there are extremely few sounds in Spanish. Most of them have huge problems learning the pronunciation of another language. Japanese has the same problem. On the contrary, Russian has a very large variety of sounds and Russians usually have fewer difficulties with foreign languages.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Xant on October 23, 2014, 09:22:36 am
I believe that's due to their mother languages. Spanish makes it very hard to learn new languages because there are extremely few sounds in Spanish. Most of them have huge problems learning the pronunciation of another language. Japanese has the same problem. On the contrary, Russian has a very large variety of sounds and Russians usually have fewer difficulties with foreign languages.
Do you have any sources for this or is this just your own thinking?

Because Russians tend to be the worst at English, even on this forum there's only a couple of Russians with decent English. From my experience, the Japanese have spoken English relatively well.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2014, 09:34:12 am
Do you have any sources for this or is this just your own thinking?

Because Russians tend to be the worst at English, even on this forum there's only a couple of Russians with decent English. From my experience, the Japanese have spoken English relatively well.

Many Russians don't write English well for several reasons. The first one is the alphabet, the second one is because you can live your whole life in Russia speaking Russian and nothing else. However, those that do learn English usually don't struggle with pronunciation. On the opposite end, Japanese is one of the languages with the lowest sound variety. I'm not really convinced about the Japanese speaking English well. Anyway yes, this is mostly conjecture and my own experience of Spanish speakers. Ultimately I believe the reasons why people from different countries have different proficiency in English is largely due to the local culture/nationalism. In France, English is perceived by many people (and first of all the Académie Française) as a threat to French.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Xant on October 23, 2014, 10:59:00 am
Many Russians don't write English well for several reasons. The first one is the alphabet, the second one is because you can live your whole life in Russia speaking Russian and nothing else. However, those that do learn English usually don't struggle with pronunciation. On the opposite end, Japanese is one of the languages with the lowest sound variety. I'm not really convinced about the Japanese speaking English well. Anyway yes, this is mostly conjecture and my own experience of Spanish speakers. Ultimately I believe the reasons why people from different countries have different proficiency in English is largely due to the local culture/nationalism. In France, English is perceived by many people (and first of all the Académie Française) as a threat to French.
Pronunciation is a separate issue, though. I'm assuming Overdriven wasn't simply talking about that, but general English skills, such as grammar. But yes, Russians do tend to have better pronunciation (what kind of a fucking word is that, anyway? Pronounce->pronunciation, makes no sense) than Italians and the Spanish.

Young well-educated Chinese and Japanese do often have surprisingly good English.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Umbra on October 23, 2014, 12:51:38 pm
Pronunciation is a separate issue, though. I'm assuming Overdriven wasn't simply talking about that, but general English skills, such as grammar. But yes, Russians do tend to have better pronunciation (what kind of a fucking word is that, anyway? Pronounce->pronunciation, makes no sense) than Italians and the Spanish.

Young well-educated Chinese and Japanese do often have surprisingly good English.

This is bullshit

Source: Years of DOTA
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Overdriven on October 23, 2014, 01:18:29 pm
Pronunciation is a separate issue, though. I'm assuming Overdriven wasn't simply talking about that, but general English skills, such as grammar. But yes, Russians do tend to have better pronunciation (what kind of a fucking word is that, anyway? Pronounce->pronunciation, makes no sense) than Italians and the Spanish.

Young well-educated Chinese and Japanese do often have surprisingly good English.

I was basing this mostly on speaking rather than writing seeing as I didn't do the teaching. I found the Russian kids to be quite shy but when they did speak they were very clear and comprehensible with few mistakes in their grammar.

Obviously these kids were from wealthier families as well (they had to fork out a lot for these summer schools) so I don't know the backgrounds to their schooling but it would likely have been of a higher standard.

I found the Spanish kids though to struggle quite a bit with speaking English. They could string sentences together but usually with fewer and less complex words.

At University the Chinese students always had excellent written skills. They could understand anything on paper at that level but they often found it difficult to communicate verbally and stumbled a lot over it.

All first hand experience though so nothing to base anything factual on.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Chosen1 on October 24, 2014, 04:34:22 am
This is bullshit

Source: Years of DOTA

??? need help mid pls attakc

be back right ping sory

wow lich scuk uninstal such noob
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Christo on October 24, 2014, 12:55:26 pm
You forgot that russians use blyat instead of a comma or question mark.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: the real god emperor on October 24, 2014, 01:21:14 pm
We re not even in first 40?

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Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: NejStark on October 24, 2014, 01:55:50 pm
You forgot that russians use blyat instead of a comma or question mark.

or a full stop blyat
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Smoothrich on October 25, 2014, 03:06:52 am
Most of them have huge problems learning the pronunciation of another language.

Funny I've met honestly probably hundreds of thousands of people who speak english and spanish or portugese fine. Most kids of immigrants learn English in school and Spanish/Portuguese at home and talk both naturally.

Maybe more evidence that Americans are culturally more sophisticated and diverse than any European could ever imagine possible?

In fact the way I see it, the very near future will have a much stronger North and South American union, which will turn the EU (with England leaving by then to join America of course, and Scandinavians betraying Europe with a new h1tler in charge) into a sprawling third world wasteland.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: lombardsoup on October 25, 2014, 03:13:56 am
In fact the way I see it, the very near future will have a much stronger North and South American union, which will turn the EU (with England leaving by then to join America of course, and Scandinavians betraying Europe with a new h1tler in charge) into a sprawling third world wasteland.

Scandinavian H1tler

Xant is a prime candidate for that.  He allegedly lives in that general area.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Smoothrich on October 25, 2014, 03:26:00 am
Xant is a prime candidate for that.  He allegedly lives in that general area.

Haha, no Scandinavian would follow a Fin.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: lombardsoup on October 25, 2014, 03:27:37 am
Haha, no Scandinavian would follow a Fin.

Good to hear  :D
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kafein on October 26, 2014, 09:01:32 pm
Young well-educated Chinese and Japanese do often have surprisingly good English.

My experience begs to differ. I had to sit through a dozen of talks by Chinese and Japanese PhDs and they invariably had horrible (and I mean horrible) English. Again, that's no statistic.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Vibe on October 27, 2014, 08:34:31 am
Xant is a prime candidate for that.  He allegedly lives in that general area.

Xant it seems that you have a fanboy. This one can't stop posting about you.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Xant on October 27, 2014, 10:20:45 am
Xant it seems that you have a fanboy. This one can't stop posting about you.
I know right, first it was about how much America sucked, now it's me. But hey, whatever floats his goat.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Butan on October 27, 2014, 02:45:08 pm
Dont hide your happiness Xant, you left an impression on someone over the internet. Isnt that your goal?  :P


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Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Tibe on October 27, 2014, 05:06:51 pm
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You said a lot of things that should have potentially been funny or infuriating to some, but the only reaction I had was meh. Gimme some context!
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: lombardsoup on October 27, 2014, 05:12:32 pm
I know right, first it was about how much America sucked, now it's me. But hey, whatever floats his goat.

You're that mad over 'murica jokes?
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2014, 06:43:19 pm
You said a lot of things that should have potentially been funny or infuriating to some, but the only reaction I had was meh. Gimme some context!

Tibe, do you know the first rule of Smoothrich?
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Tibe on October 27, 2014, 07:25:29 pm
Why, no, fellow poster. Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: LordBerenger on October 27, 2014, 07:39:47 pm
Brits are pretty derpy and meh'y tho.


Dose male reactions
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2014, 10:11:28 pm
Why, no, fellow poster. Please enlighten me.

It's the same as the second rule of Smoothrich.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Christo on October 27, 2014, 10:41:23 pm
Kafein m8 so edgy i cannot touch the screen without getting cut
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2014, 11:44:16 pm
Kafein m8 so edgy i cannot touch the screen without getting cut

Christo so caustic I can't hold myself without a plastic bucket.
Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: Christo on October 27, 2014, 11:57:21 pm
Christo so caustic I can't hold myself without a plastic bucket.

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Title: Re: English proficiency index
Post by: lombardsoup on October 28, 2014, 12:57:43 am
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Christo so hood he need to pull his damn pants up

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