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Title: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Krex on July 19, 2014, 09:16:56 pm
Discuss.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world(anymore)
Post by: Molly on July 19, 2014, 09:19:00 pm
Old  :?
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world(anymore)
Post by: Krex on July 19, 2014, 09:20:28 pm
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I know.Still worth it.Trying to get some NA-Drama going here...
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world(anymore)
Post by: Miwiw on July 19, 2014, 09:42:33 pm
It never was...
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Tibe on July 19, 2014, 10:17:19 pm
Was during WWII.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Teeth on July 19, 2014, 10:19:56 pm
What a nauseating piece of video
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 20, 2014, 01:26:12 am
Wait, was it ever? "anymore"... Definitely not the worst, but i wouldnt put it on the top either.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Miley on July 20, 2014, 10:38:08 pm
Because America is North and South America and isn't actually just the USA
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: HardRice on July 21, 2014, 06:58:38 am
Because America is North and South America and isn't actually just the USA
You're such a dumbass, North and South America were reunited in the American Civil War in 1865.


People these days...
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Chosen1 on July 21, 2014, 07:35:24 am
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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Molly on July 21, 2014, 08:24:06 am
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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Switchtense on July 21, 2014, 08:53:49 am
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'murica! Fuck yeah! 8-)
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Prinz_Karl on July 21, 2014, 10:51:43 am

You gotta love Michael Moore.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: HardRice on July 21, 2014, 11:02:00 am
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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the crashing waves of

FREEDOM!!!
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Molly on July 21, 2014, 11:14:08 am
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the crashing waves of

FREEDOM!!!
I lol'd. :D

Thank you!
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Herezy92 on July 21, 2014, 11:27:39 am
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Be careful Molly, or USA will bring Fredom & Democracy to your country !

About the USA, they still have the world domination, even if their influence is decreasing slowly they wont for sure give up their first top place without doing anything to counter it.

Here an example of what is happening atm :
In order to counter the USA world economical influence/domination ($), the new emerging countries : Brasil, Russia, China, India, (and another one i forgot) decided to gather up. (Something pretty interesting, because those countries clearly share nothing except being new in international scene. (Some even have very bad relation between each-others.)

They are now speaking about economical agreement, and creating their own trading money in order to replace the Dollar.


Even if i think that we are still far from changing the roles, every years, Western Europe & USA are decreasing in influence. Meanwhile the emerging countries are growing in power.

So, i am currious to see what the Western countries will do to keep our privileges for us. :)
Wait & see. :)
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Molly on July 21, 2014, 11:36:15 am

CIA station chief ordered out of Germany has left, US confirms

Germany demanded spy chief's expulsion after two alleged German double agents working for the US were unmasked
 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/cia-station-chief-germany-us-leaves)
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Angantyr on July 21, 2014, 09:51:18 pm
Couldn't watch the video, but US power has been declining since the end of WWII where it had literally half the world's wealth, security unheard of before in history, virtual control of both oceans, every other competitor either destroyed or seriously damaged in the war.

WWII's subsequent destruction of Europe and much of Asia was a blessing for the US and brought it out of the depression. US production, already the world's largest, had doubled at the end of the war, and gave way to the 50s, the peak of US self-image. It took over most of the old British Empire possesions abroad, kicking France out of most of the rest, and devised a 'grand strategy' for what is called 'the grand area', basically world domination.

Though direct control is fading, there's still no serious contenders, China is a poor, backwards mostly rural country for a good time yet, and mostly an assembly plant for Western corporations. US power may be declining but still has the world's largest economy, by far the biggest army expenditure (always a main point of US power and exercised as such), and natural advantages that no other state or collection of states comes even close to.

Comparing the US to most other states is not entirely fair, of course, it's a collection of rather large states, in total sizing up to some of the biggest Asian countries, combined with mostly Anglo-European culture and levels of industrial and technological sophistication.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Xant on July 21, 2014, 10:02:46 pm
China has a very rocky road ahead of them if they are to become a serious player in world politics, they're growing but so far has been the easy part, they've yet to solve any of their real internal problems, and progress breeds more of those for a country like China...
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Miwiw on July 22, 2014, 01:04:47 am
Be careful Molly, or USA will bring Fredom & Democracy to your country !

They tried in '45. Now guess if they made it or not.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Herezy92 on July 22, 2014, 11:19:26 am
They tried in '45. Now guess if they made it or not.
But wait, you do not have oil/fuel... No oil no democracy !
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Miwiw on July 22, 2014, 02:49:30 pm
Does it count if we import the oil? And our prices for oil are higher than anywhere (or one of the highest) so our oil is worth more. Isn't that reason enough for democracy?
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Osiris on July 31, 2014, 08:01:32 pm
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The Republican-led House of Representatives voted Wednesday to sue President Barack Obama for allegedly overstepping his powers, a move swiftly denounced by his Democratic allies as a cynical election-year stunt.
By a party-line vote of 225 to 201, the House voted to resort to the unprecedented move of taking the president to court for not having stringently followed the letter of the law while implementing his signature "Obamacare" health care reform bill.
The measure, which would empower House Speaker John Boehner to start the legal proceedings, is meant to rein in a president besotted by power, the top House Republican said from the floor of the chamber.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-house-representatives-votes-sue-obama-010538897.html#CEUZUZU


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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Chosen1 on August 01, 2014, 03:28:02 am
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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Tibe on August 01, 2014, 05:18:35 am
Every time Chosen1 posts something patriotic a bald eagle learns to fly.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Fearvich on August 01, 2014, 05:28:13 am
lol @ China, Russia, and India being new on the scene.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Kafein on August 01, 2014, 11:46:38 am
Couldn't watch the video, but US power has been declining since the end of WWII where it had literally half the world's wealth, security unheard of before in history, virtual control of both oceans, every other competitor either destroyed or seriously damaged in the war.

WWII's subsequent destruction of Europe and much of Asia was a blessing for the US and brought it out of the depression. US production, already the world's largest, had doubled at the end of the war, and gave way to the 50s, the peak of US self-image. It took over most of the old British Empire possesions abroad, kicking France out of most of the rest, and devised a 'grand strategy' for what is called 'the grand area', basically world domination.

Though direct control is fading, there's still no serious contenders, China is a poor, backwards mostly rural country for a good time yet, and mostly an assembly plant for Western corporations. US power may be declining but still has the world's largest economy, by far the biggest army expenditure (always a main point of US power and exercised as such), and natural advantages that no other state or collection of states comes even close to.

Comparing the US to most other states is not entirely fair, of course, it's a collection of rather large states, in total sizing up to some of the biggest Asian countries, combined with mostly Anglo-European culture and levels of industrial and technological sophistication.

Well I'm grateful for that, at least only half the US is made up of jingoistic maniacs. Can't say the same about any of the BRICS. It's another 19th century in the making.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Leshma on August 04, 2014, 05:28:19 pm
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The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great-but must suffer the consequences!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

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The U.S. must immediately stop all flights from EBOLA infected countries or the plague will start and spread inside our “borders.” Act fast!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

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The fact that we are taking the Ebola patients, while others from the area are fleeing to the United States, is absolutely CRAZY-Stupid pols
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

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You are right about the Ebola patients. It’s a deadly virus, and they shouldn’t bring them to the US.”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

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Yes !! The government is bringing them back here so the outbreak can start here too !!”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

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He seems to be doing the right thing. He’s taking a stand for America and asking 4 some common sense about Ebola.”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Donald Trump Says American Ebola Patients Must Suffer Consequences (http://globalgrind.com/2014/08/04/donald-trump-american-ebola-patients-must-suffer-consequences-twitter-details/)
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Teeth on August 04, 2014, 06:47:26 pm
Greatest is a vague term but in terms of the slightly less vague term 'power', murica is on top, has been for a good while and will be for another good while.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Admerius on August 04, 2014, 07:43:39 pm
USA #1 fer sure!

That's just as true as this:

Just Like Thomas Jefferson was advocating for Freedom of Religion,  Religion here being synonym to any kind of Christianity some might include Judaism.
NOT "Freedom" from religion like being ATHEIST!

Oh and more thing for those atheists... it says god something on our moneys and you believe in money don't you? It says on the money that we trust in god!

And this cute evolution story... that's just some euro-elitist fairytale to make it harder for good christians to get nobel prize in biology, pricks!

We should create a proper american prize for real-young earth creationist evangelist(not those softy catholics!) and we're gonna call it the...

REAGAN PATRIOT PRIZE
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I'm American in spirit but, not on paper, the opposite of that Barack Hussein Osama
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: _schizo321437 on August 04, 2014, 08:22:40 pm
USA #1 fer sure!

That's just as true as this:

Just Like Thomas Jefferson was advocating for Freedom of Religion,  Religion here being synonym to any kind of Christianity some might include Judaism.
NOT "Freedom" from religion like being ATHEIST!

Oh and more thing for those atheists... it says god something on our moneys and you believe in money don't you? It says on the money that we trust in god!

And this cute evolution story... that's just some euro-elitist fairytale to make it harder for good christians to get nobel prize in biology, pricks!

We should create a proper american prize for real-young earth creationist evangelist(not those softy catholics!) and we're gonna call it the...

REAGAN PATRIOT PRIZE
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I'm American in spirit but, not on paper, the opposite of that Barack Hussein Osama


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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Leshma on August 13, 2014, 02:30:10 am
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: IR_Kuoin on August 13, 2014, 03:51:36 am
Why would you walk into the track instead of going behind the barrier after your car stalled? :|
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Leshma on August 14, 2014, 07:24:33 pm
O.C. Couple Obsessed With ‘World of Warcraft’ Sentenced to Prison for Extreme Child Neglect (http://ktla.com/2014/08/12/couple-obsessed-with-world-of-warcraft-sentenced-to-prison-for-child-neglect/)

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An Anaheim couple was sentenced to prison for keeping their two young daughters locked inside their filthy mobile home for years without adequate food or basic care while they obsessively played the online computer game World of Warcraft.

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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 14, 2014, 07:36:08 pm
Merica isnt the greatest country in the world


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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Leshma on August 16, 2014, 10:26:32 pm
American quality buildings. Made by wood as thick as quality photo paper :lol:

And then being surprised how a hurricane can wreck a whole state. Start building properly instead of cheap!

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dont worry about Molly Anders, they still build their houses out of mud n shit in Germany, they look like the fuckin teletubbies house.  He's just jelly.

How come houses in america are made of wood? (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071217022206AAvEhJG)

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how come america claims to be the richest country in the world but 80 to 0% of the population live in homes made of wood and cardboard. In most countries,people live in concrete cement houses made of cement..bricks/blocks and wood is by far an inferior material to cement especially in building,its way cheaper too...why is this?

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First of all, America doesn't "claim" to be anything. This was probably a case where the news media took a very complex subject like GNP, world economy, etc. and boiled it down to a 10 second sound-bite. Okay, now that I've got that off my chest.

As in most parts of the world, construction of homes is based mostly on the availablilty of building materials. If you live in a country that has an abundance of wood, you will typically build houses using wood. If you live in a country that lacks forests that can harvested readily for lumber you will build houses out of stone, rocks, mud, bricks or whatever you can cost effectively get.

Second, there are plenty of houses in the US that are constructed of brick or stone. It's all a matter of affordability and personal choice as well as what part of the country you live in and when your house was built. In the US, brick is more expensive but not so much that only the rich can afford it. However, if given a choice, most in the US would rather own a home even if they are not willing to pay a 15-20% premium for brick.

Lastly, I'm not sure I would agree that stone construction is far superior to wood. You have to consider things such as energy efficiency, speed in which you can produce homes, protection from the elements, performance in natural disasters (earthquakes, fires, etc.) Also, if you're referring to construction in Europe, you have to consider when the houses were built. The science of home construction has changed dramatically in the last few hundred years so comparing houses built to in the US where most are built in the last century to houses that are 2- 3 hundered years old is not a good comparison. There's way too much to go into here.

To sum it up, on average people no matter what country they live in will do what is the most convenient and cost effective to do. In the US that includes that houses are framed-in with wood.

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wooden houses can sway in an earthquake instead of falling down and crushing you. In California, anyone would be insane to build a brick or concrete house. I was actually wondering why people in India build houses out of concrete when prisons use concrete in hot areas to punish people as they work like an oven. Wood houses have concrete slabs under and all the pluming/electrical hookups built in so its easy and cheap to rebuild a stick house on concrete slab. The largest earthquake we had, no one died, and im talking about an earthquake larger then ones that kill thousands in other countries.

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Very simple. When this country came to be settled by Europeans, It had vast forests. The immigrants were, for the most part, not rich and most had only their own hands for building. Wood was the logical and affordable choice. It became nornal or habit to build this way. Stone, being harder to get to here (usually) and requiring more money and labor, became a rich mans' material, until lately. The country, as a whole could be considered rich, but as for the people, maybe 10-20% are. If you are poor, you can get food, clothing shelter and medical care, but it is of the poorest quality. True, In much of the world, even that much is being rich, but the poor would live in better quality homes, if they could. The rich have bound us with 'building codes', high prices for land and materials and have so many requirements (especially if you have children) that the poor are forced to follow their rules. If a poor man manages to obtain land, somehow, he MUST NOT take his children to live in what is termed 'sub-standard housing' while he builds. He MUST get so many permits, so many inspections and so on and the prices for most materials are so high. He MUST also have 'certified experts' in the fields of electricity, heating and plumbing. There are REQUIRED things like 1) No outhouses- it must be city sewer or a septic field, the latter requiring professional maintenance. 2) No wells, in some paces. It has to be city-provided water....As you can see, while many of us WOULD have progressed to the logical choices of better building materials, it is usually not possible. To build 'green' (or, to put it better, to build ecologically soundly) is prohibitively expensive. The rest of the world has its' problems and some places don't treat their people right, but the US is expert on being subtle about it.

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We ran out of brick trees back in the early 50s.

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http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1kwstk/eli5_why_do_americans_build_their_houses_out_of/

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Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 17, 2014, 05:26:34 am
Did you know:
Engineered Wood is Just as strong as Concrete Masony Units(CMU)?
Rough Sawn Lumber is much stronger than people give it credit for.
CMU is more expensive for only a slight increase in strength.(Wooden wall can handle, based on several factors, 2000-4000 pounds of downward force. CMU can handle 7500 Pounds of force)
The most important part of a house is, generally, the foundation. One: It's expensive to repair Two: If it's wrong, the rest of the house has to be fixed.
All Damage for buildings comes not from the walls, but the roof(Uplift). It's the #1 failure mode for all houses, except for seismic based houses. Even a concrete house has a wooden, or equivelent, roof in nearly every country(if it's sloped). Flat roofs, not so sure. Unless they are more expensive, then they'd use metal trusses, but that's godly expensive.
A small metal strap(Standard here is a Simpson H2.5T) can hold 550# of Uplift before it buckles? And it costs only 3-10 bucks to buy.
"True Brick" houses are incapable of being built over 5 stories, because brick buckles on it self.
Most "brick" houses use the brick as a veneer, while wood, or concrete, is what the house is truly supported by.

If you want to know lots of Design features of Wooden based houses, I can give you 2,000,000,000 things to look at. So much complexity in them.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Turk_Otto_Knight on August 17, 2014, 08:21:50 am
Let me tell u the secret of america..Select a target,show them whole the world as an evil...When first america was discovered they made indians look like devils and killed them.After then black people after then communist russians and now muslim terrorists..whats next?aliens?or murderer china ?
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Malaclypse on August 17, 2014, 05:32:54 pm
Prohibition/war on drugs (which spread near-globally and made the perceived "problem" worse), over militarization of police force, shitty healthcare compared to other developed nations, shitty education (especially college/fee-based) compared to other developed nations, science budgets compared to overspending on military endeavors, erosion of civil liberties out of  backwards fear, lack of high-tech infrastructure for travel on national scale (still using same old freeway system). Those are my gripes with the place, though I have a large deal of privilege and comfort here, it comes at the expense of other people around the world, and I don't want that- I'd rather live in a yurt and have everyone be taken care of then live in excess at the expense of others.
Title: Re: Why America is not the greatest country in the world
Post by: Gmnotutoo on August 17, 2014, 07:31:56 pm
Prohibition/war on drugs (which spread near-globally and made the perceived "problem" worse), over militarization of police force, shitty healthcare compared to other developed nations, shitty education (especially college/fee-based) compared to other developed nations, science budgets compared to overspending on military endeavors, erosion of civil liberties out of  backwards fear, lack of high-tech infrastructure for travel on national scale (still using same old freeway system). Those are my gripes with the place, though I have a large deal of privilege and comfort here, it comes at the expense of other people around the world, and I don't want that- I'd rather live in a yurt and have everyone be taken care of then live in excess at the expense of others.

Want to join my cult and go live out in the forest?