Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?

[Renay]

Valid point, but you can't change what's already been done and therefore she is in this situation and had to make this choice.

[Westwood]

If they are fleeing their country for a better life why would it make sense to remove from their final destination the characteristics that made it better?

[Oberyn]

Flockula you don't get it, your uncomfortable truths are destroying the dream. It's very important for people like Renay to maximize as much complacency combined with arrogant moralism as possible. Don't you see how moral and just he is, how unconcerned with the vagaries of the world? And isn't that the most important thing in the end, this pathological altruism? Your attempts at using logic are futile.

[Daunt_Flockula]

When he simply stepped forward and laid out the bare truth that the refugees were being used as a political instrument, and Germany had to play along, I appreciated it. The truth may not be to my liking, yet I like when people are honest and don't try to politically twist things. When he stated his opinion about wanting the best for refugees though, it just didn't add up. You can't simply want to keep refugees away from you and hope they do well at the same time, because they were trying to make it to where you live just to achieve that: Be well.

I know woulda/shoulda/coulda doesn't mean anything at the present. But if you are going to be honest, you have to make it 100%. Halfbaked honesty is meaningless.

[Grumpy_Nic]

This is outrageous, we should all be polite and hope for peace.
Frieden schaffen mit Schnellfeuerwaffen. Last war is a long time ago, lets start the next one

[Leshma]

Do it in your backyard and tell us how it went.

[Renay]

I never said I want to keep refugees away from me...

[Daunt_Flockula]

But you stated that diplomatic relations shouldn't be hurt. The only diplomatic relation I can see here is the keeping away of refugees, no?

[Oberyn]

Can you imagine the same reaction if, for example, Bush had attempted the same thing during his presidency? Do you think any of the paragons of virtue now claiming that it is, after all, in the books and must therefore be taken seriously, would resort to the same talking points? Of course not. The really hilarious thing are the ones straight up exhonerating Erdogan from any culpability, as if he was merely exploiting a flaw in german law for his own benefit, completely rational you see, not at all an insane dictator attempting to assert his authority through censorship the same way he does in his country.

[Renay]

But you stated that diplomatic relations shouldn't be hurt. The only diplomatic relation I can see here is the keeping away of refugees, no?

I would call it controlling the tide of refugees.

[Rhekimos]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36124329

[Murmillus_Prime]

Erdogan is a pound shop Putin and islamist to boot. He has Europe by the balls, Turkish journalists and political rivals assassinated. He gets away with it all because our own governments aren't whiter than white and because Turkey's military strength and geographical location is strategically important to NATO.

[Butan]

Can you imagine the same reaction if, for example, Bush had attempted the same thing during his presidency? Do you think any of the paragons of virtue now claiming that it is, after all, in the books and must therefore be taken seriously, would resort to the same talking points? Of course not. The really hilarious thing are the ones straight up exhonerating Erdogan from any culpability, as if he was merely exploiting a flaw in german law for his own benefit, completely rational you see, not at all an insane dictator attempting to assert his authority through censorship the same way he does in his country.

We expect more from USA than Turkey in terms of freedom.
We are just used to how Erdogan is, theres not much to say about how wrong it is..
Though its not completely above the head of duly elected western president to do things like that.