Why should Europeans care about non-Europeans dying?
However I've never met somebody who identifies as an Atheist who isn't a garbage person.
Don't understand why someone find important to identify as an atheist, it is not a movement. It is lack of theism. Antithesis of religious beliefs. Serves as a definition to explain people who don't buy into religious teachings and dogmas, who want to live free lives.
Lol the vast majority of people dying in these places are dying at the hands of other muslims. What the fuck are you doing about it, you stupid cunt? What have you done to reform your piece of shit barbaric religion? Nothing, just like all your cunt correligionists your first reflex is to blame the West and pretend all the other retards believing in your crap fairy tale are nothing but poow wittle victims. Your country, once the pride and hope of anyone who thought that islam and it's people could possibly reform, is sinking into the same bullshit drowning the rest of the muslim world in blood. Go fuck yourself, stay in your shit countries, don't come to europe. Enjoy the fruits that your religion has given you.
Religious people span the entire spectrum of humanity, you have the good, the bad and everything inbetween. However I've never met somebody who identifies as an Atheist who isn't a garbage person.
Religious people span the entire spectrum of humanity, you have the good, the bad and everything inbetween. However I've never met somebody who identifies as an Atheist who isn't a garbage person.
That is the soul i want to point out you french scum !I ask you again, why should Europeans care about non-Europeans dying? You weren't capable of answering before.
You are the most humanist most democratic country in the world right ?
I want to ask you again, seems like you are not capable of understanding what i want to show you, have you weeped after the syrian(muslim) drown baby ?
I ask you again, why should Europeans care about non-Europeans dying? You weren't capable of answering before.
That is the soul i want to point out you french scum !
You are the most humanist most democratic country in the world right ?
I want to ask you again, seems like you are not capable of understanding what i want to show you, have you weeped after the syrian(muslim) drown baby ?
You might not understand why but it's undeniable that a lot of people do and they are unanimously terrible. I imagine Oberyn is a proud Atheist, for example.
exactly :)How is it about religions? You've completely failed to give any reasoning for that.
but itis not about europeans and non-europeans.. it is still about religons...
Did you weep for those killed in the attack? Did you weep for the jewish kids who got shot by a retarded fanatic years ago in yet another terrorist attack by the religion of peace? Did you weep for the Charlie Hebdo writers? Did you weep for all the israelis murdered by brainwashed suicidal idiots in the latest stabbing craze?
No one celebrated or cheered or was happy about an innocent kid dying. Can you say the same for the sick retard muslims all over the planet every time my people get killed? Fuck your pathetic attempt at shame and guilt.
You might not understand why but it's undeniable that a lot of people do and they are unanimously terrible. I imagine Oberyn is a proud Atheist, for example.
Just share the burden of terrorism that muslim countries(i want to hate to be in one of them) have !
And stop being 2 faced dickheads !
Again, the burden of terrorism that muslim countries carry is from muslims. Why the fuck would I want to turn my country into a copy of these backwards third world shitholes? Why the fuck should Europe "share" in the retarded dogmatic violence endemic to muslim countries. If there were european migrant populations in their countries making a habit of randomely murdering people I would feel the shame and guilt you apparently want me to feel. As it is I have zero fucking sympathy for a group of people relentlessly destroying themselves and blaming anything, anything at all, but the obvious.
The history have seen crusaders, jihads, jude massacre but was there any atheist movement ?
Anyway, the religions are for idiots cant think anything else that wasnt taught to them...
But I ask you Europeans(Christians) ! Millions died in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, East Turkistan, Turkey, Lebanon... Have you used any of these flags in your fb profile ? instagram ? youtube ? Have you weeped after the drown syrian baby in the turkish shore trying to migrate from turkey to greece ?
NO !
You are 2 faced pricks eventhough you are developed and pretend like you got rid of religon(bite me!)
The history have seen crusaders, jihads, jude massacre but was there any atheist movement ?
Anyway, the religions are for idiots cant think anything else that wasnt taught to them...
But I ask you Europeans(Christians) ! Millions died in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, East Turkistan, Turkey, Lebanon... Have you used any of these flags in your fb profile ? instagram ? youtube ? Have you weeped after the drown syrian baby in the turkish shore trying to migrate from turkey to greece ?
NO !
You are 2 faced pricks eventhough you are developed and pretend like you got rid of religon(bite me!)
I've never met somebody who identifies as an Atheist who isn't a garbage person.
One atheist in a sea of religious people like it was during middle ages isn't important. But today there is too many people who refuse to believe in imaginary being
He's a turk, ethnic loathing for all their neighbors and anyone not turk is part of his culture. Listening to this stupid cunt lecture me about solidarity and compassion as his countrymen revel in the murder of kurds and the victories of ISIS is frankly hilarious to me. Do you honestly think you have any sort of moral authority, Reyiz? Go genocide some more armenians and deny it ever happened, please, and stay in the middle east.
Religious people span the entire spectrum of humanity, you have the good, the bad and everything inbetween. However I've never met somebody who identifies as an Atheist who isn't a garbage person.
Religious children are meaner than their secular counterparts, study findshttp://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822%2815%2901167-7.pdf
Religious belief appears to have negative influence on children’s altruism and judgments of others’ actions even as parents see them as ‘more empathetic
Almost 1,200 children, aged between five and 12, in the US, Canada, China, Jordan, Turkey and South Africa participated in the study. Almost 24% were Christian, 43% Muslim, and 27.6% non-religious.
Well, that makes it allright then. If we genocide all the muslims in France because they keep killing innocent women and children and men, I'm sure you'd be perfectly ok with it. Simple payback, you understand, just normal turkish behaviour.
you were crusader who dont give a fuck about muslims, you are still and you will still be...Oh yeah, all those terror attacks by atheists in Muslim countries... oh wait.. those don't exist.
dont give me any shitty talk of humanity, development(3rd world countries)... even if you are pretending to be an atheist, you are still crusaders !
and i want to share you that i am not a muslim after all, i had a lot of struggle with my firends,co-workers ( you should have known that there is a religious party in charge here, if you read the news) and family and i live in turkey..
fuck y'all
you are a retart as simple as almost all europeans pretending humanistMight want to learn how to spell "retard" before calling someone one.
about genocide of armenians..
there was a genocide of armenians after they killed innocent women and olds of the turkish soldiers who were sent to fight against russian, it is a fact oberyn..
i didnt know how retarded and biggot you are until this thread...
cheers
ps: read some "objective" sources !
Well, that makes it allright then. If we genocide all the muslims in France because they keep killing innocent women and children and men, I'm sure you'd be perfectly ok with it. Simple payback, you understand, just normal turkish behaviour.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
If you haven't read this you should. It's really fucked up but adds some clarity and understanding to the argument. Fuck ISIS they are pieces of shit.
Well if you read his wiki article it fast becomes clear he's a retard, and why he would say the things he's saying.
On Iran's Press TV program, The Agenda, while speaking on the topic of "America: Is it a Civilized Nation?", O'Keefe denied the plausibility that the September 11 attacks were committed by Osama bin Laden and the 19 hijackers. He claimed it was an inside job and that the US government and intelligence agencies, including Mossad were responsible.
ISIS being Reavers confirmed.
The 2 million dead in Iraq, how many of them died at the hands of the americans? How many were victims of suicide bombings, ethnic cleansing, endless sectarian hatred and warfare? So tired of these stupid cunts pretending the religion, is, yet again, completely blameless, when it is at the very core and heart of all this suffering.
Let's look at Vietnam, actually, perfect example. Where are all the angry vietnamese commiting mass murders? Where are all the vietnamese cells perpetrating war on innocent civilians? Vietnam suffered vastly more in every way than any colonized muslim country, so where is the "blowback"?
Leshma confirmed fake gamer. Maybe he meant the Firefly reavers? In which case, Leshma nerd confirmed.
You are 2 faced pricks eventhough you are developed and pretend like you got rid of religon(bite me!)Why u soo mad? did some one of ur friend died during the terrorist attacks in France? do not be sad, for the murder of infidels, he will go to heaven
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dont give me any shitty talk of humanity, development(3rd world countries)... even if you are pretending to be an atheist, you are still crusaders !
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Reyiz lay off the opium you delusional fuck. I feel sorry for any innocent people that die. But until you retarded Muslims start helping yourself by advancing beyond medieval religion based laws and lifestyles, no one can help you, because its exactly that reason why your countries suffer the "terrorists" aka extreme Muslims. Even worse because we opened our doors to your kind in the past, we now have these same extreme Muslims murdering our innocents. I would happily see every practicing Muslim, man woman and child, sent to the middle east and have Islam banned, because my country would be safer and my children would have a far brighter future.
exactly :)
but itis not about europeans and non-europeans.. it is still about religons...
Reyiz lay off the opium you delusional fuck. I feel sorry for any innocent people that die. But until you retarded Muslims start helping yourself by advancing beyond medieval religion based laws and lifestyles, no one can help you, because its exactly that reason why your countries suffer the "terrorists" aka extreme Muslims. Even worse because we opened our doors to your kind in the past, we now have these same extreme Muslims murdering our innocents. I would happily see every practicing Muslim, man woman and child, sent to the middle east and have Islam banned, because my country would be safer and my children would have a far brighter future.
exactly :)
but itis not about europeans and non-europeans.. it is still about religons...
1st that was my answer to his brainless comment.
2nd: I got no doubt that it is their religion. But their religion is simply not islam. I do have many friends who are muslims. All of them are even angrier than u are. And why does everybody qq now? Like, we knew what was going on down there. We know it for like 15 years now. The only thing eu and usa does is killing them and leaving the weapns for the next one who wants to do something. We were all watching... Btw oberyn what would be ur solution? Kicking them out?
we should have tried to get them a good gouverment, a working economy and things like freedom of speech... As u maybe know IS is not the first terrorist organization down there.They tried, and I mean they really tried to do that in both Afghanistan and Iraq, but what a surprise, Medieval religion and sectarianism broke everything down within a year. Amazing though how you completely missed this and still consider this as the best solution.
I was talking about those 5th century goat fuckers. Oh and its not like they have to want it, I would have no problem to see murica supressing them to get them all of that. Just saw what teeth wrote..Why are you talking about 5th century goat fuckers if it was the French who did the terror attacks, and only one of them was Syrian, as you said before? And did you just seriously suggest oppressing people to give them freedom of speech and good government?
Teeth could u get me some articles about that? Everything what ive seen so far is that they basicly supported one party and then after winning they were giving them some money and left if :O
Wouldn't agree with that - for me personally it's not about religion, being European or having a certain skin color. It's about sharing same values and respecting certain traditions: I am a Russian living in Denmark, and so I respect Danish traditions and share Danish ( or Scandinavian for that matter ) values - otherwise I would not be living here. And that is what I expect of every single foreigner who is living here - if they wish to build a different society inside Denmark, they can pack their shit and get the fuck out. I don't see how there can be any other sane way of dealing with it.
I am working with guys from Pakistan and Turkey, yet they eat whatever everyone else is eating, they are drinking, gambling, participating in Christmas dinner, etc. Has nothing to do with religion or whatever traditions their ancestors had. I don't believe in God, or have any historical connection with Catholics or Protestants, though I see no reasons to resent any local traditions. And I most certainly do not expect Danes to take my Russian heritage in consideration - hell, I don't want anything Russian in Denamrk at all! Why the fuck would I?! I don't want this place to become Russia, it would be a nightmare, that's the reason I don't want to be there in the first place.
And I apply the same to every single foreigner here - Russian, Chinese, French or Syrian - I don't want to have any of their traditions, values or culture here in Denamrk.
being an immigrant myself, I believe I have right to express my views without being instantly labeled as a right wing nationalist.
The attacks were perpetrated, as you point out, largely by "french" muslims. Are you saying these "french" muslims did not have the same rights and freedoms as literally any other french citizen? Didn't seem to help much. And yet we keep having cunts like you explain that really, if we were more tolerant and welcoming, none of this would've happened. It's not the religion, it's because they're poor, it's because they're opressed, it's because they don't have the same opportunities available to people in the first world. Do you see how this is a hypocritical, contradictory position to take, when talking about "french" muslims that were born and raised and lived their lives here?
Wouldn't agree with that - for me personally it's not about religion, being European or having a certain skin color. It's about sharing same values and respecting certain traditions: I am a Russian living in Denmark, and so I respect Danish traditions and share Danish ( or Scandinavian for that matter ) values - otherwise I would not be living here. And that is what I expect of every single foreigner who is living here - if they wish to build a different society inside Denmark, they can pack their shit and get the fuck out. I don't see how there can be any other sane way of dealing with it.
I am working with guys from Pakistan and Turkey, yet they eat whatever everyone else is eating, they are drinking, gambling, participating in Christmas dinner, etc. Has nothing to do with religion or whatever traditions their ancestors had. I don't believe in God, or have any historical connection with Catholics or Protestants, though I see no reasons to resent any local traditions. And I most certainly do not expect Danes to take my Russian heritage in consideration - hell, I don't want anything Russian in Denamrk at all! Why the fuck would I?! I don't want this place to become Russia, it would be a nightmare, that's the reason I don't want to be there in the first place.
And I apply the same to every single foreigner here - Russian, Chinese, French or Syrian - I don't want to have any of their traditions, values or culture here in Denamrk.
being an immigrant myself, I believe I have right to express my views without being instantly labeled as a right wing nationalist.
I did not say that this would have not happened if we were more welcoming and tolerant. I simply think it is not right to say they are the ones who cause it.How is it hypocritical? Why would the west care as much about what happens elsewhere? And places like Beirut being shitholes with tons of terrorist attacks is not news. It's news that Muslims have exported mass killing sprees to Paris as well.
U call me hypocritical? The whole world QQs now cuz 160 people died. I would never say that this is not fucking serious, but for example in ankara or beirut things are going shitty too, bit who cares about them?. It is fucking hypocritical to say that this is a serious issue if we dont care about those other things happening.. Oh and 2 mio die in the area IS is ruling. Can u even imagine how many people that would be?
do you squat tho
Well ye that simply annoies me! Actually the whole news we have in the western world. U read about a policemen shooting a black person in the usa, but not about 140 victims in ankara..
But I ask you Europeans(Christians) ! Millions died in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, East Turkistan, Turkey, Lebanon... Have you used any of these flags in your fb profile ? instagram ? youtube ? Have you weeped after the drown syrian baby in the turkish shore trying to migrate from turkey to greece ?
Armpit Sweat's post was great and I agree with nearly everything he said.
But.. in essence he's making the same point as Oberyn? Those who don't want to respect western culture and values should gtfo.
There are some things 2 people can disagree on that still allow them to have a conversation representing their viewpoints. If you flat-out think they're the same
Nothing in Armpit Sweat's post suggested he was anti-immigration, provided the migrants are willing to share values and be respectful of certain traditions. And that this should be universal regardless of religion, origin or skin colour. That does not seem to be the angle Oberyn goes for.
That culture of violence and oppression (of women) should not be tolerated on Western soil. We cannot keep having isolated communities that keep brewing such acts inside our countries. When in Rome do as the Romans do. That means you either accept the laws of the land you're inhabiting or you gtfo. (...) Muslim or not, doesn't matter. It comes down to what kind of group identity (if any) they are going to adapt once they get in. And that's the most humane thing to do for the ones who truly want to get away from real oppression.
Of course that Oberyn's and Armpit's posts aren't the same and I do agree with Flockula that Oberyn's posts are obnoxious (though also kinda hilarious) and wouldn't be allowed in any civilised discussion (but since when these forums are civilised? It's more like melee version of 4chan). Still, the point they're making isn't the same?
armenian genocide (oberyn just search for french violance in Algeria !)
But is Oberyn against any immigration?
I think it would be very sad if this forum was more controlled
the unmoderated environment combined with a vast spectrum of opinions and statements from many corners of the globe is completely refreshing in an age where public speaking is ruled by being politically correct and cordial.
I suggest we replace the saying elephant in the room with camel in the room
#PrayForOberyn
#PrayForOberyn
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
If you haven't read this you should. It's really fucked up but adds some clarity and understanding to the argument. Fuck ISIS they are pieces of shit.
You know, there are people who became happy when people died in Ankara, Suruç , Diyarbakır etc. because they supported something they didn't like, that can be supporting HDP, being Kurdish , being communist etc etc... Tbh, if some AKP fans ever get blown up , I won't feel SUPER sad.
I understand how the rest of the world show support to France throught internet etc. and not to Turkey or Lebenon or the rest. It is because, even our very own people don't care about deaths of other citizens.
Yesterday I wanted to take a look at news and the header was like "Eiffel Tower is closed to visiting due to the attacks." I mean, this TV Channel didn't make a single fucking reporting about Ankara bombings, and want us to worry about visitors of Eiffel Tower?
You see, this is the part which makes me angry - And probably Reyiz too - , our own people, make more news about Paris, than Ankara. This is exactly why Erdoğan succeeded . This is exactly why Turkey can't be saved.
Another example ;
Past 2 weeks, there was martial law declared in Silvan,Diyarbakır. Around 15 civilians died. Guess how many "major" TV channels made news about people getting killed by police? That's right.Zero.
But in a place like Paris , you can't just put pressure on media, the word will travel , and everyone will know about it in a matter of hours.
Are you guys just straight up ignoring my posts now? :( I posted video links to both those things like, hours ago. I'd tone down the rhetoric, but I won't, cause fuck you guys.
Are you guys just straight up ignoring my posts now? :( I posted video links to both those things like, hours ago. I'd tone down the rhetoric, but I won't, cause fuck you guys.
I ask you Turks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX3-0vAhzbk
Stoopid football supporters + plenty of bombing/terrorist acts on turkish soil very recently + no UEFA 1mn of silence for them = 1mn of silence for westerners? fuck that!Yes, classic Butan -- talking out of your ass. If you hadn't seen Oberyn's post, you would have posted the above unedited, even though you didn't even look into it, retard.
Even if there had been 1mn of silence for Ankara etc, there would have probably been people disrecpecting #PrayForParis trend because of the reasons mentioned above (ISIS is not as disliked there), but I dont think it would have been as noisy then.
Some pretend on the video that they hear "alahu akbhar", others say "Şeeinstein ölmez, vatan bölünmez". What are the people saying really? Asking Reyiz and other turkish spearking persons.
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Hypocrite? Class? What the actual fuck are you even on about? I suggest going back and reading what I wrote with thought, since you seem to have failed at reading comprehension in a rather major way.
Can you be more hypocrite than that? :lol:
Come on Xant, even in your retardness you have more class than that.
Are you guys just straight up ignoring my posts now? :( I posted video links to both those things like, hours ago. I'd tone down the rhetoric, but I won't, cause fuck you guys.
If you didn't add an insult every 3 words your posts would be shorter, more attractive to read and contain the same information.
I actually write out the posts then read them over and add insults. If bad wurds are enough for wilting daisies to clutch their pearls and retreat to the feinting couch, I frankly don't care about their opinions anyways.
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I dont think its exactly right to call Oberyn a e-racist. Hes not against a race. He's against culture. And I think his sceptisism(alright, something much worse than that :lol:) is kinda justified. A lot of muslim community leaders themselves in Western countries have always come infront and said with a straight face that their beliefs are incompatible with Western standards and democracy. But where else do they have to go?
I think noone in their right mind can justify ISIS actions and their extremism, what most people that argue with Oberyin and against his views are mostly pointing out that closing borders and generalising are not the answer to the problem.
I think noone in their right mind can justify ISIS actions and their extremism, what most people that argue with Oberyin and against his views are mostly pointing out that closing borders and generalising are not the answer to the problem.
We didnt say anything about ISIS. Even accepting common decent muslims and their culture fully, instead of forcing them to accept Western. is technically commiting cultural suicide. That was the point. Has nothing to do with ISIS or terrorism.Exactly. Forget ISIS, Arabs/Muslims are over-represented on crime statistics, their religion is fucked up, more so than Christianity (and Muslims also tend to believe in it more strictly than Christians), etc., etc. Here's what Europe has to look forward to:
We didnt say anything about ISIS. Even accepting common decent muslims and their culture fully, instead of forcing them to accept Western. is technically commiting cultural suicide. That was the point. Has nothing to do with ISIS or terrorism.
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The biggest problem with muslims (that shows in the article on Brussels), is when they live concentrated, in a country that doesnt follow muslim customs. The ghettoization of muslims, or the progressive appropriation of space by a new dominant group. Generally speaking, if this dominant group is a particular ethnicity/skin color, it often leads to racism from them; it is a fact still vastly denied by the masses, that for example, a black ghetto will lead to racism against white people/other.
If the new dominant group are followers of a particular religion, it will often lead to religious law replacing common law; this is where the article about molenbeek hits right home.
When the new dominant group is both following a particular religion, and almost all sharing the same skin color... the shittiest things will happen down there, pack your things fast if you're not part of it (=> subsequently accelerating the domination of said group).
As long as the numbers coming in dont even come close to 1% of Europe's population, i dont think we're in any danger of becoming enslaved by our evil Sharia overlords.Muslims accounted for about 6% of Europe's population in a 2010 study by the Pew Research Center, and increases steadily (even before the current crises). A takeover in any forseeable future is ridiculous but cultural and political turbulence is a fact.
We could get a ship so Heskey gets some folk visiting him... :P
Btw where do you get the 500k??? There are already about a million "refugees" in Germany alone, and the number is going up and there is no way to actually support them properly since months. How should this work in 2016 or even 2017 if it goes on like this. PLUS those who are here want to get their family as well, which mutliplies the number by 5-10. You know how big muslim families are, there is no stop to children, for whatever reason.
No no, a wall at our borders is the only reasonable solution now to stop immigration which is already quite heavy without the "refugees". Education level goes down by immigrants as well, it was announced in Germany some time ago that it will go down soon so the "refugees" can be supported in school as well. If that isn't a point where you simply should cut any additional support... I don't know why people don't get this. Education already sucks, public schools are awful.
Perhaps it's better to say that Oberyn is a xenophobe?I think his line of reasoning (which I generally agree with) hardly qualifies any of us as xenophobic.
wow such hate much racist :P
We could get a ship so Heskey gets some folk visiting him... :P
Btw where do you get the 500k??? There are already about a million "refugees" in Germany alone, and the number is going up and there is no way to actually support them properly since months. How should this work in 2016 or even 2017 if it goes on like this. PLUS those who are here want to get their family as well, which mutliplies the number by 5-10. You know how big muslim families are, there is no stop to children, for whatever reason.
No no, a wall at our borders is the only reasonable solution now to stop immigration which is already quite heavy without the "refugees". Education level goes down by immigrants as well, it was announced in Germany some time ago that it will go down soon so the "refugees" can be supported in school as well. If that isn't a point where you simply should cut any additional support... I don't know why people don't get this. Education already sucks, public schools are awful.
I think this line of reasoning hardly qualifies any of us as xenophobic.
I like other cultures and people. I find other societies on this earth generally fascinating places to visit, know about, be in communication with or otherwise have relations to. I still like my home and my people and my culture the most and I'm still against mass-emigration to my country (and other European countries) especially from the non-Western world.
Love for one's own tribe doesn't mean hate for or fear of those of others.
Some day those young mulsim males will learn that if they want to leave their 'slums and poverty' they need to learn the local language and get a job. Since that's the scenario that will give those individuals a better life.
And yes, i'm sure we'll get through a lot of idiots before that lesson hits home. And we will get through them, not a single Muslim living in a slum in Europe is going to see one of those idiots get a happy ending.
What is the "Western" culture for you? Is there a special way of doing things to be a westerner? Is doing whatever the fuck we want, inside the circle of the law, a "culture"? To me, accepting western culture doesnt mean that muslims needs to start drinking alcohol, gamble, eat pork and dress in a modern fashion; for example.Rationalism, democracy, human rights, women's rights, criticism of religion, secularism, Western medicine, Western science etc., basically all the boons of Western philosophy and industry. Our history, our ethnicity, our languages, traditions, customs, music, art etc.
Our western culture is inherently tolerant, because there is no special way of doing things to be a part of it.
Rationalism, democracy, human rights, women's rights, criticism of religion, secularism, Western medicine, Western science etc., basically all the boons of Western philosophy and industry.
The thing is, assuming these values are actually universal in our current world is something we have a tendency to do, even though in most cases that is merely wishful thinking.
Rationalism, democracy, human rights, women's rights, criticism of religion, secularism, Western medicine, Western science etc., basically all the boons of Western philosophy and industry. Our history, our ethnicity, our languages, traditions, customs, music, art etc.
It's impossible to have a normal discussion about this, because if you aren't pro, you're a chocolate chip cookie and ofc wrong. Also you are responsible for 6 million dead jews and WWII.
Democracy, human rights, women's rights, criticism of religion, secularism = laws that you must respect, if not, justice, jail.Thoughts and inventions are products of culture.
Rationalism, western medicine, western science, industry, philosophy = I dont see the relation with culture.
History, ethnicity, language, tradition, custom, music, art = THIS is culture, but why must people have the same culture than you to be a part of the same society? Am I a bad westerner if I do not respect Christmas, dont know my country's history from start to finish, rarely listen to music, and never go to museum? The only thing I agree with is that immigrants needs to learn our language.My whole post was an answer to your question 'what is Western culture to you', not some behavioral dogma.
And on the 'culture' note that lured me into this most recent discussion. How many African Americans do you know that dont speak English(/american, whatever)? I guess it was cultural suicide to let them in, look at the US now, all eating peanut butter and listening to blues-inspired music. IT'S DISGUSTING!
But it RUINED their culture lol
My whole post was an answer to your question 'what is Western culture to you', not some behavioral dogma.
Oh meh, you didn't understand it, did you? Thats not how it works. Either you are 100% pro muslim mass immigration, or you are a racist. There is no in between.Yeah funny and the opposite is true too. If you think Islam can blend with Western culture you're a " self-flagellating bundle of sticks" willing to get raped by muslims and willing to replace Europe population.
And seriously, that's how it is for masses and masses of Germans on facebook and other social media. The instant you say something critical about the whole refugee issue, you're called racist, facist or chocolate chip cookie by a dozen of uber-far-left extremists. Sad times.
It's impossible to have a normal discussion about this, because if you aren't pro, you're a chocolate chip cookie and ofc wrong. Also you are responsible for 6 million dead jews and WWII.
Yeah funny and the opposite is true too. If you think Islam can blend with Western culture you're a " self-flagellating bundle of sticks" willing to get raped by muslims and willing to replace Europe population.Because it can't, by definition.
Blues has black origins. Many Americans enjoy blues. Furthermore, it evolved into rock and roll and is now absolutely everywhere and influenced just about every genre after it and is enjoyed by non-blacks as well which is the central point.
The most trademarkedly American music comes from blacks, culturally.
Not really a racist thing to say.
If so, how will that ever happen if we keep to ourselves or encourage peoples we consider to be 'backwards' in that regard to stay in isolated countries without such values?
It's just sulking but on a large scale, the mean people in charge didnt stop the migrants and now you have to share all your toys with them.
Thoughts and inventions are products of culture.
Because it can't, by definition.
I had my suspicions but I didn't think you were one of those people.No idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about the definition of the word> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture
And what definition is that?http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Top-10-Reasons.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/014-loyalty-to-non-muslim-government.htm
No idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about the definition of the word> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture
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www.thereligionofpeace.comYeah, it's known as believing in Allah and doing what he says in the Quran...
Y'know, the official website that defines exactly what criteria you need to meet if you want to consider yourself a 'real' muslim.
Inventions have largely been a product of economic development and work specialization for the last 10.000 years. Innovation doesn't happen in regions where nobody is dedicated to it.I don't disagree. I meant that culture nurtures certain paradigmes of thought, leading to certain inventions, often in a reciprocal relationship. It's no surprise that the scientific revolution didn't happen when Europe was still in the grip of religious fanaticism, for example.
Exactly as he says in the Quran,Yes, and? What's your point?
The same way that any Christian or Jew that ever eats shellfish is not a 'real' Christian or Jew because they don't obey God's word all the time. And as atheists we can confidently categorize what constitutes a 'real' Muslim, Christian or Jew. Not that anyone in world cares, including the people who consider themselves to be followers of those religions when *we* know they aren't.
What did you mean by 'those people'?
The issue isn't the modern, secular Muslim, but the 1.1 billion Muslims who believe in Sharia, the 1.39 billion who sees women as less than the men, the 584 million who believe in the killing of apostates etc.
That.
I really wonder why there hasnt been a schism or a reform already from the modern muslims so we can sort out the barbarians.
Social constructivists, to put it shortly.
21th of september deadline. The purpose will be revealed soon.None would listen. it was dismissed as a "Jambi" post.
Quite interesting but, he states a few things that are incorrect. Watch , and research yourself.
On second note.
I warned you guys before. At the date i mentioned, it exactly got pushed to a being small problem, to a major world enveloping problem.None would listen. it was dismissed as a "Jambi" post.
But its all good.
http://futurism.com/links/spacex-gets-nasas-approval-for-manned-space-missions/
And no, let me tell you a secret. "We" are not going to any imaginary space station... were going to a base elsewhere. Those millions of Euro's going to refugees etc? haha. Thanks for your taxes suckers!
You guys can rot away in this shithole of a planet, applications have been cancelled, recruitment is closed. :lol: GG peace out, good luck 8-) jokes on you.
2018. End of february. Mark your calender.
You have been informed. There is no hidden deception, if its plain out there for everyone to watch and read... but nobody "sees". And now you're to late. welcome to your end-game.
"We" have showed you all "our" plans throughout the millennium, you have been informed but choose not to intervene. In this silent agreement/acceptance, the ritual came full circle. "Our" hands are clean of the sin of deception and misleading the participants.
"We" have completed our ascension, we will ascend above and beyond this planet literally. But dont worry, we will be closeby. We will wait and watch with the "eye" until you people finished bickering on eachother over trivial stuff. When all is done, we will return and grant the leftover population a second age of enlightenment.
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The history have seen crusaders, jihads, jude massacre but was there any atheist movement ?
Anyway, the religions are for idiots cant think anything else that wasnt taught to them...
But I ask you Europeans(Christians) ! Millions died in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, East Turkistan, Turkey, Lebanon... Have you used any of these flags in your fb profile ? instagram ? youtube ? Have you weeped after the drown syrian baby in the turkish shore trying to migrate from turkey to greece ?
NO !
You are 2 faced pricks eventhough you are developed and pretend like you got rid of religon(bite me!)
Europeans care more than you think. They might not change their facebook picture for you, but will give you a whole country :lol:I still dont understand how diversity is good. I understead how they are looking at it from a genetic point of view or whatever, but these countries created combustion engine, electricity, agriculture inventions and other thing that completely changed the world in 200 years. Why would you wnat to change that as it obviously has worked well. On the point of birth rate, I want children, but most women I know absolutely do not want any. They view it as too much work, but I think many manual labor jobs would be most intensive, but you cant morally "quit" parenthood.
Europeans care more than you think. They might not change their facebook picture for you, but will give you a whole country :lol:Oh well, the translation is deliberately bad on the most important part.
Quite interesting but, he states a few things that are incorrect. Watch , and research yourself.
On second note.
I warned you guys before. At the date i mentioned, it exactly got pushed to a being small problem, to a major world enveloping problem.None would listen. it was dismissed as a "Jambi" post.
But its all good.
http://futurism.com/links/spacex-gets-nasas-approval-for-manned-space-missions/
And no, let me tell you a secret. "We" are not going to any imaginary space station... were going to a base elsewhere. Those millions of Euro's going to refugees etc? haha. Thanks for your taxes suckers!
You guys can rot away in this shithole of a planet, applications have been cancelled, recruitment is closed. :lol: GG peace out, good luck 8-) jokes on you.
2018. End of february. Mark your calender.
You have been informed. There is no hidden deception, if its plain out there for everyone to watch and read... but nobody "sees". And now you're to late. welcome to your end-game.
"We" have showed you all "our" plans throughout the millennium, you have been informed but choose not to intervene. In this silent agreement/acceptance, the ritual came full circle. "Our" hands are clean of the sin of deception and misleading the participants.
"We" have completed our ascension, we will ascend above and beyond this planet literally. But dont worry, we will be closeby. We will wait and watch with the "eye" until you people finished bickering on eachother over trivial stuff. When all is done, we will return and grant the leftover population a second age of enlightenment.
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Jambi change your profile pic to thisYou're not the boss of Jambi, you don't give him orders. Jambi only has one master.
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So, don't expect a reform. Muslims are all for direct implementation of what the book says. We won't see them humanifying or passivating their religion anytime soon.
I still dont understand how diversity is good. I understead how they are looking at it from a genetic point of view or whatever, but these countries created combustion engine, electricity, agriculture inventions and other thing that completely changed the world in 200 years. Why would you wnat to change that as it obviously has worked well. On the point of birth rate, I want children, but most women I know absolutely do not want any. They view it as too much work, but I think many manual labor jobs would be most intensive, but you cant morally "quit" parenthood.
I wonder, have the Turks ever shown any remorse for the three genocides they have commited?